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Abraxas wins
Oblivion is on par with Infinity
Abraxas>>>>>>>>>>>>Infinity

don't know why people consider him as a multiversal abstract

Originally posted by galactusischere
Abraxas wins
Oblivion is on par with Infinity
Abraxas>>>>>>>>>>>>Infinity

don't know why people consider him as a multiversal abstract Oblivion at the end of the cycle is on par with Living tribunal, LT stated that himself. also Oblivion is omnipotent, there is only 1 for the multiverse

lastly oblivion is where the universe goes when destroyed by abraxes or entropy

Oblivion.

Done before

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

lastly oblivion is where the universe goes when destroyed by abraxes or entropy

nope.
He didn't nullify them or erase them, he DESTROYED THEM.
Abraxas was DESTRUCTION.
Oblivion is NOTHINGNESS.
The only reason the UN worked on AB was because it restarted the muliverse so that Abraxas was NEVER FREED. He still exists within the devourer of worlds.
Abraxas, MJJ are the most powerful REAL villains in marvel who are written properly. Protege was the shitiest character I've ever seen. Come one defeating the LT then getting owned by a celestial?

Originally posted by galactusischere
nope.
He didn't nullify them or erase them, he DESTROYED THEM.
Abraxas was DESTRUCTION.
Oblivion is NOTHINGNESS. nulification>>>any other kinda destruction

Originally posted by galactusischere
Abraxas wins
Oblivion is on par with Infinity lol

Oblivion > infinity & other abstracs

abraxas can be nulified
oblivion IS nulification

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
also Oblivion is omnipotent, there is only 1 for the multiverse
that settles it

nullified and destruction is basicly the same. they both go to oblivion

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nulification>>>any other kinda destruction

lol

Oblivion > infinity & other abstracs

abraxas can be nulified
oblivion IS nulification

Abraxas was destroying universes with just approaching them.
a multi-verse is notying to him.
and Quasar powered by Infinity>Maelstrom powered by Oblivion.
Why would Oblivion who was MEANT TO BE THE OPPOSITE OF INFINITY be above it?
and for the UN incident READ my other post.
Nothingness Vs Destruction... destruction wins.

i dunno...like when u burn somethin u also destroy it but it stil exist (ash ) like theres a trace of it

but when somethins nulified its like it never existed

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
nullified and destruction is basicly the same. they both go to oblivion

nullified=erased
Destruction=Destroyed/annihlated/terminated
quite different

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
i dunno...like when u burn somethin u also destroy it but it stil exist (ash ) like theres a trace of it

but when somethins nulified its like it never existed
umm.. well..
ABRAXAS WINS

Originally posted by galactusischere
Abraxas was destroying universes with just approaching them.
a multi-verse is notying to him.were they nulified? (like universe 238 => unspace)
big deal its more like anomaly vs anomaly fight. not like oblivion went 1 on 1 vs infinity

btw infinity can also be nulified (like with the UN? or the celestial nulifier? or the IG when Adam erased a bunch o absracs?=
nope
oblivion is special hes > other abstracs
UN stated on panel that it can destroy abraxas so he can be nulified (at least by the UN)
if somethin nulified then its also destroyed
but somethin can be destroyed without being nulified

Originally posted by galactusischere
nullified=erased
Destruction=Destroyed/annihlated/terminated
quite different yup destruction < nulification

hey i jus destroyed a piece o paper (tore it in 2)

Originally posted by galactusischere
umm.. well..
ABRAXAS WINS ...thats it?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Oblivion at the end of the cycle is on par with Living tribunal, LT stated that himself. no.

Originally posted by galactusischere

Nothingness Vs Destruction... destruction wins.

WTF?

how can you destroy nothingness its just void.

when something is destroyed the atoms are still there. when its nullified its erased from existance=nothingness

Abraxas may be stronger...

but how do you destroy entities such as death or oblivion? How?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Abraxas may be stronger...

but how do you destroy entities such as death or oblivion? How? you cant. it doesnt make sense to destroy what represents the void after destruction

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
WTF?

how can you destroy nothingness its just void.

when something is destroyed the atoms are still there. when its nullified its erased from existance=nothingness EXACLY

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
but how do you destroy entities such as death or oblivion? How? had maelstrom's universe-imploding device been successful, even oblivion would have been destroyed:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251253_m1.jpg

so it's very possible to do.

Originally posted by Galan007
had maelstrom's universe-imploding device been successful, even oblivion would have been destroyed:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251253_m1.jpg

so it's very possible to do. that doesnt make sence. oblivion is just void unless mealstreme becomes oblivion after that

LOL yeah, how do you destroy nothingless?

um that dont make sense...if theres no oblivion then theres no nothin...so that means theres somethin? but if theres somethin then eternity & infinity exist cuz somethin exists...but then if theres no infinity or eternity either then theres nothin, but since theres no nothin then...


u sure thats canon? or is it like that anti-LT gun that Reed built? lol

death and oblivion is not even shown in the picture though only infinity and eternity. sounds like bad writing

death can be nulified (shes = eternity & infinity, and PR beyonder did it anyway) but not oblivion

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that doesnt make sence. oblivion is just void unless mealstreme becomes oblivion after that a.) it's comics. things don't have to make sense.
b.) in the case i mentioned, nothing would have been left over from the resulting implosion. not even a 'void' would have remained.
---
that shouldn't come as too much of a shock though - as the same basic thing would have happened had edifice rex followed through with his threat of imploding/condensing the universe back into the cosmic egg from which existence spewed:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251255_er1.jpg http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251256_er2.jpg




that's why oblivion himself was literally trembling at the thought of such an act:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251257_er3.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
death and oblivion is not even shown in the picture though only infinity and eternity. sounds like bad writing there was a SPECIFIC comment made that oblivion would also be destroyed. what doesn't compute?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
death can be nulified (shes = eternity & infinity, and PR beyonder did it anyway) but not oblivion im guessing it just destroys oblivions conciousness(ability to think and act) but the void still remains

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
EXACLY
not really.
When did Oblivion erase universes by approaching them? never
Abraxas did so.
1 for AB
Who was more feared? Abraxas
2 for AB
Who was DEFINATELY>>>multi-abstracts? Abraxas
3 for AB
Who had to be sealed off? Abraxas cause he was a more dangerous threat.
4 for AB
Abraxas wasn't nullified. The Multiverse was restarted so that Abraxas was never freed.
He STILL exists within the devourer of worlds.
Oh and Death has been killed before by the beyonder so there.
I am 100000000% sure Infiniy wouldn't have been able to overpower Abraxas. Hell even MULTI-ETERNITY couldn't.
5 for AB
Abraxas was only killed because of PIS.
He couldve easily recalled the UN to himself from the hands of Reed or speedblitz or kill him but did he? NO

and for destruction tearing a piece of paper in half doesn't quite mean that. It means destroying. I destroyed my planet. Planet=gone, it doesn't matter if its erased or destroyed IT IS GONE and is naturally irreversible.
Destruction>Nothingness
IMO

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) it's comics. things don't have to make sense.
b.) in the case i mentioned, nothing would have been left over from the resulting implosion. not even a 'void' would have remained.
---
that shouldn't come as too much of a shock though - as the same basic thing would have happened had edifice rex followed through with his threat of imploding/condensing the universe back into the cosmic egg from which existence spewed:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251255_er1.jpg http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251256_er2.jpg




that's why oblivion himself was literally trembling at the thought of such an act:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2251257_er3.jpg

there was a SPECIFIC comment made that oblivion would also be destroyed. what doesn't compute? lol but you do know oblivions bio states that everything comes from oblivion so that means the cosmic egg was made from nothingness(by toaa or something)

bios are meaningless when happenings from other comics contradict them.

Originally posted by galactusischere

and for destruction tearing a piece of paper in half doesn't quite mean that. It means destroying. I destroyed my planet. Planet=gone, it doesn't matter if its erased or destroyed IT IS GONE and is naturally irreversible.
Destruction>Nothingness
IMO

like i said earlier if its destroyed. the atoms still reside in the universe.
if its nullified. even the atoms are erased from existance

Originally posted by Galan007
bios are meaningless when happenings from other comics contradict them. what if it was contradicted by ignorance of the writers to the abstracts history?

Originally posted by galactusischere
not really.
When did Oblivion erase universes by approaching them? no
Abraxas did so.he dont need to he IS non existence

its like sayin bullseye kills elektra, but when did death kill elektra, so bullseye > death?
batmans more feared
lol
he can be contained? not good . abstracs cant be contained
so what if he wasnt. he CAN be nulified
yeah well mutli eternity never do anythin anyway (iirc he cant intervene cuz he knows whats gonna happen or somethin like that)
oh the PIS card. Maelstroms killin machines also PIS like the LT-killing machine
big G took it away from abraxas, not good not good
if u erase it its gone
if u jst blow it up its still destroyed but wut about the debris?
rofl

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
lol but you do know oblivions bio states that everything comes from oblivion so that means the cosmic egg was made from nothingness(by toaa or something)

TOAA/PR Beyonder>PR MM>>>>LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....
UN>Abraxas>>Multiabstracts>>Oblivion/death/Eternity/Infinity/Galactus

there are some beings more powerful than them but im only using the guys in this debate

Originally posted by Galan007
b.) in the case i mentioned, nothing would have been left over from the resulting implosion. not even a 'void' would have remained.thats also oblivion
wheres oblivion?
ok so oblivion would of been banished to...himself? so oblivion is destroyed but he still exist. paradox but like u said it dont have to make sense, so there!

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but like u said it dont have to make sense, so there! exactly. there are 2 separate instances i know of in which oblivion would have been destroyed.

though it might not makes sense from a real world point of view, it's comics. things don't have to makes sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
exactly. there are 2 separate instances i know of in which oblivion would have been destroyed.ok but he would of still existed even tho he wuz destroyed

yeah but dont u think there outa be limits even for comics? i mean serously thats not even comics its just...comical

Originally posted by galactusischere
TOAA/PR Beyonder>PR MM>>>>LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....
UN>Abraxas>>Multiabstracts>>Oblivion/death/Eternity/Infinity/Galactus

there are some beings more powerful than them but im only using the guys in this debate

oblivion is only placed next to eternity and infinity due to hierarchy. when his time come to erase everything in existance he would be above them.

actualy Oblivion is > other abstracs
thats why we never see him when the other abstracs convene, cuz hes above that sort of thing

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
he dont need to he IS non existence

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
its like sayin bullseye kills elektra, but when did death kill elektra, so bullseye > death?
That's rreverent. Abraxas was doing what he was supposed to do.
He was destruction. oblivion is nothingness so that means hes going to sit on his lazy ass for all eternity not doing his job?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
he can be contained? not good . abstracs cant be contained
funny how we were just arguing about how and why Galactus's power was absorbed and contained by the Cosmic Cube Doom had.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
So what if he wasn't. he CAN be nulified
He wasn't nullified...
He still exists within Galactus he IS NOT erased from all reality. The multiverse just got a reboot basically.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah well mutli eternity never do anythin anyway (iirc he cant intervene cuz he knows whats gonna happen or somethin like that)
oh the PIS card. Maelstroms killin machines also PIS like the LT-killing machine.
Bull he does intervene IF all reality is in danger IF he can which in Abraxas's case he couldn't.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
big G took it away from abraxas, not good not good
UN=heart of Galactus, an aspect of him.
he then gave it to reed. AB could have easily gotten it back.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if u just blow it up its still destroyed but wut about the debris?
They both serve the same purpose.
The life for example on both occasions is gone and is irreversible.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
oblivion is only placed next to eternity and infinity due to hierarchy. when his time come to erase everything in existance he would be above them.

Infinity already defeated Oblivion
Quasar powered by big I>Maelstrom powered by Oblivion

Even if he is multiversal he would still be light years behind Abraxas.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Infinity already defeated Oblivion
Quasar powered by big I>Maelstrom powered by Oblivion i clearly said at the END OF THE CYCLE HE IS MORE POWERFUL. it wasnt the end of the cycle when they battled it was during it

Originally posted by galactusischere
That's rreverent. Abraxas was doing what he was supposed to do.
He was destruction. oblivion is nothingness so that means hes going to sit on his lazy ass for all eternity not doing his job?nope, if abraxas wuz erasing things, then it means oblivion gonna sit & enjoy big meal yup cosmic cube > big G (thats what it looked like =anyway)so what, he CAN be nulified (stated onpanel) so hes not > nulificationwe never get so see him intervene. that dont mean shit tho, i mean Living Tribunal dint intervene when MJJ wuz threatenin all of MU, but that dont mean LT < MJJ does itby takin it from reed maybe lolyeah but one does it better then the other ^^no it aint, if its just destroyed then any good moleculer manipulator can put it together again

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope, if abraxas wuz erasing things, then it means oblivion gonna sit & enjoy big meal yup cosmic cube > big G (thats what it looked like =anyway)so what, he CAN be nulified (stated onpanel) so hes not > nulificationwe never get so see him intervene. that dont mean shit tho, i mean Living Tribunal dint intervene when MJJ wuz threatenin all of MU, but that dont mean LT < MJJ does itby takin it from reed maybe lolyeah but one does it better then the other ^^no it aint, if its just destroyed then any good moleculer manipulator can put it together again

ok im not going to quote it all one by one.

first of all the universes WERE destroyed not ERASED from all existence.

Nope that is BS.

He is>nullifictation if he was never in the first place BORN INSIDE of Eternity. He wasn't defeated and contained, he was born and before he managed to get out imprisoned.

He did later intervene agaisnt MJJ.

Yup Abraxas actually did it while Oblivion tried to do it and got his ass handed to him by Infinity and Quasar.

Which has never been shown in comics even. As far as I recall only Eternity actually did that.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i clearly said at the END OF THE CYCLE HE IS MORE POWERFUL. it wasnt the end of the cycle when they battled it was during it

at the end of the cycle Oblivion=LT?

... no

Originally posted by galactusischere
at the end of the cycle Oblivion=LT?

... no no i admit im wrong at that but at the end of the cycle he is>>>>>all abstracts

A little off topic: Wait...didn't the LT "die" when Thanos absorbed him? Doesn't that mean that he was overcame by Death? Does that mean that Death > LT?

Or was he simply "nullified"? If so, then does that mean that Oblivion > LT?

Or does getting absorbed count as neither?

Originally posted by galactusischere


Yup Abraxas actually did it while Oblivion tried to do it and got his ass handed to him by Infinity and Quasar.

they only defeated maelstrom(or whatever his name). if you look at the images. oblivion was beating infinity in the backround

Originally posted by galactusischere
ok im not going to quote it all one by one.

first of all the universes WERE destroyed not ERASED from all existence.then they were ONLY destroyedw/e it is your answering to no it isnt ...that dont even make sense
and wut that gotta do with being > nulification?
oh? when?
no he didnt ^^
post recon molecule man can recreate galaxies so a planet aint big deal IMO
and phenix can manipulate all atoms of a universe

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A little off topic: Wait...didn't the LT "die" when Thanos absorbed him? Doesn't that mean that he was overcame by Death? Does that mean that Death > LT?

Or was he simply "nullified"? If so, then does that mean that Oblivion > LT?

Or does getting absorbed count as neither? wasnt that only a mbody of LT?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wasnt that only a mbody of LT? it was only an mbody
LT really has no form just like oblivion. the bodies you see are just images created to represent them

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
then they were ONLY destroyedw/e it is your answering to no it isnt ...that dont even make sense
and wut that gotta do with being > nulification?
oh? when?
no he didnt ^^
post recon molecule man can recreate galaxies so a planet aint big deal IMO
and phenix can manipulate all atoms of a universe

yes destroyed, he was destruction.

yes he did he was casually floating when all of the structures of the universe he was in were falling

ur comparing Pre-retcon MM to Oblivion
LMAO

.....

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
it was only an mbody
LT really has no form just like oblivion. the bodies you see are just images created to represent them
none of the abstracts have mbodies.
not just oblivion.

Originally posted by galactusischere
yes destroyed, he was destruction.yeah me too
i jus destroyed another piece o paper hey its ireversible too!

(ok so i dint but i could of )



when did i compare PR beyonder to oblivion?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah me too
i jus destroyed another piece o paper hey its ireversible too!

(ok so i dint but i could of )



when did i compare PR beyonder to oblivion?

Not really u can tape it back

"PR MM did it 2 big deal IMO "

Did Roma and Merlyn interfere with Oblivion's work like they did with Abraxas's and MJJ's?

NO the guardians of all existence didn't see him much of a threat and that is why Abraxas wins.

P.S. answer me this, in marvel comics is there more destruction or more nullification?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Not really u can tape it back

"PR MM did it 2 big deal IMO "

Did Roma and Merlyn interfere with Oblivion's work like they did with Abraxas's and MJJ's?they dint interfere

when they erased 238 its allmost they were worshippin Oblivion (they gave him an entire universe! beats even what Thanos did for Death)

there a LOT more destruction like when a grenade blow up, mucho destructon
thats why nulification is better, destruction is so common, so there

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
they dint interfere

when they erased 238 its allmost they were worshippin Oblivion (they gave him an entire universe! beats even what Thanos did for Death)

there a LOT more destruction like when a grenade blow up, mucho destructon
thats why nulification is better, destruction is so common, so there

ok there is no point in arguing u wont agree with me and i wont agree with u.
it depends how u look at it.

Originally posted by galactusischere
ok there is no point in arguing u wont agree with me and i wont agree with u. i disagree

Originally posted by galactusischere
none of the abstracts have mbodies.
not just oblivion.

what?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
what?

lol I meant ALL of the abstracts have mbodies

I don't know where people are pulling off that 'Obivion > all abstracts' BS.

LT, Eternity, Galactus, and Death >>> Oblivion unless officially stated by Marvel and/or written on-panel.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I don't know where people are pulling off that 'Obivion > all abstracts' BS.

LT, Eternity, Galactus, and Death >>> Oblivion unless officially stated by Marvel and/or written on-panel.

Yea its all BS Oblivion can't be above the others.

Abraxas only has the ability to empower Oblivion.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Yea its all BS Oblivion can't be above the others. they was created from oblivion

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I don't know where people are pulling off that 'Obivion > all abstracts' BS.

LT, Eternity, Galactus, and Death >>> Oblivion unless officially stated by Marvel and/or written on-panel. that was retarded.

death is nothing but a minor side of oblivion.

like eternity is a side of infiinity

In Quasar, Deathurge once mentioned that even Death answers to Oblivion.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
In Quasar, Deathurge once mentioned that even Death answers to Oblivion. yes he did. it also says oblivion has supremacy over eternity/infinity at the end of the cycle

So let me get this straight
Oblivion>Death and Infinity>Eternity?

I don't believe it but EVEN if that is true, Abraxas was>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.......all of them combined

Originally posted by galactusischere
So let me get this straight
Oblivion>Death
Infinity>Eternity?

Correct

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Correct

no.
It has been stated that Infinity=Eternity
Eternity=Universe/Space
Infinity=Time
don't know about death and oblivion but im positive that its true.

Originally posted by galactusischere
no.
It has been stated that Infinity=Eternity
Eternity=Universe/Space
Infinity=Time
don't know about death and oblivion but im positive that its true. thier equal in position(hierarchy) but power wise, no.

also (see scan) death eternity and infinity were all created from oblivion

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thier equal in position(hierarchy) but power wise, no.

also (see scan) death eternity and infinity were all created from oblivion

post it.

Powerwise they are.
its in the handbook and everyone says it.
Infinity had in the past stalemated Oblivion AND Quasar empowered by her has already defeated Maelstrom empowered by Oblivion.
Post scan and ill believe u

Shows oblivion is multiversal not universal like the others. and created him self



http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o27.jpg





Shows everything is made from him









http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o34.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Shows oblivion is multiversal not universal like the others. and created him self



http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o27.jpg





Shows everything is made from him









http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o34.jpg

thats nice but what about, Death calling Oblivion her superior or Infinity saying that shes>big E?

Originally posted by galactusischere
thats nice but what about, Death calling Oblivion her superior or Infinity saying that shes>big E?
Multiverse abstract>>universe abstract nuff said

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Multiverse abstract>>universe abstract nuff said

ok fine Oblivion>regular abstracts(though i highly doubt it it only said he was there before the multi-verse which is bull, Galactus has been said to be the oldest being after the LT).
what about Infinity and Eternity?
oh and Abraxas practically made MULTI-Eternity cry for help..

Nothingness<Destruction

Originally posted by galactusischere

Nothingness<Destruction thats some serously screwy logic man


btw how many universes did Abraxas destroy total?

Originally posted by galactusischere
I don't believe it but EVEN if that is true, Abraxas was>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.......all of them combined

?Que

It can be argued that Abraxas is an agent of Oblivions. Abraxas' sole purpose is to bring about the end of the universe which is exactly what Oblivion wants.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that was retarded.

death is nothing but a minor side of oblivion.

like eternity is a side of infiinity
facepalm

Mr. Master said that Eternity >>> Infinity (and has provided proof) and that Infinity is just but a part of himself.
I highly doubt you know more about Marvel Cosmology than Mr. Master, you retarded piece of shit.


Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
?Que

It can be argued that Abraxas is an agent of Oblivions. Abraxas' sole purpose is to bring about the end of the universe which is exactly what Oblivion wants.
Until you can provide any sort of evidence for that claim, the burden of proof is upon you.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
facepalm

Mr. Master said that Eternity >>> Infinity (and has provided proof) and that Infinity is just but a part of himself.
I highly doubt you know more about Marvel Cosmology than Mr. Master, you retarded piece of shit.



Until you can provide any sort of evidence for that claim, the burden of proof is upon you. Crack is a hell of a drug. are you freeking retarded?

Oblivion was the first abstract ever created he came before the multiverse itself. and is stated on panel. the others cam FAR after along with the fact that they are made from him. and how are single universe abstracts greater than a multiverse absract?

this is all on panel. are you just pulling shit out of your butt??

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Crack is a hell of a drug. are you freeking retarded?

Oblivion was the first abstract ever created he came before the multiverse itself. and is stated on panel. the others cam FAR after along with the fact that they are made from him. and how are single universe abstracts greater than a multiverse absract?

this is all on panel. are you just pulling shit out of your butt??

Maybe Oblivion>other abstracts
What about Eternity and Infinity????
It was never stated that either of them were superior to each other.
and Galan was born before Eternity, Death, Infinity.
Does that mean Galactus>them? at best w/o the UN he would be = to them.
Abraxas was born after all of the abstracts.
We know that he is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all of them
Abraxas was greater than MULTI ABSTRACTS.

double post.

wait i thought abraxas was born when galactus was??

Originally posted by bbrem123
wait i thought abraxas was born when galactus was??

no.
He wa born within Eternity and sealed within Galactus prime.
so AFTER

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Crack is a hell of a drug. are you freeking retarded?

Oblivion was the first abstract ever created he came before the multiverse itself. and is stated on panel. the others cam FAR after along with the fact that they are made from him. and how are single universe abstracts greater than a multiverse absract?

this is all on panel. are you just pulling shit out of your butt??

here u go take a look.
With some of it I disagree like IG being placed after Meggan, Cap Britain w/ amulet and sword, and MJJ while should have been above them on the list but most of it good.
Credit to Mr. Master
link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=425534

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
?Que

It can be argued that Abraxas is an agent of Oblivions. Abraxas' sole purpose is to bring about the end of the universe which is exactly what Oblivion wants.

If we go by that logic then it can be argued that Oblivion is an agent of Abraxas. Oblivon wants to bring an end to everything which is exactly what Abraxas wants.

see?

Originally posted by galactusischere
If we go by that logic then it can be argued that Oblivion is an agent of Abraxas. Oblivon wants to bring an end to everything which is exactly what Abraxas wants.

see? but oblivion is the one who feeds on the destroyed universe

Originally posted by galactusischere
here u go take a look.
With some of it I disagree like IG being placed after Meggan, Cap Britain w/ amulet and sword, and MJJ while should have been above them on the list but most of it good.
Credit to Mr. Master
link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=425534 that settles things oblivion is above the abstracts . it takes a combined effort of multi eternity, multi infinity and atleza to keep the multiverse from falling into oblivion

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that settles things oblivion is above the abstracts . it takes a combined effort of multi eternity, multi infinity and atleza to keep the multiverse from falling into oblivion

But?
Abraxas was one place above Oblivion.
Mr. Master knows what hes talking about.

oh and one more thing Quasar ESCAPED OBLIVION after he was nullified by the Magus when Magus had the IG.

Abraxas had destroyed countless universes during the short period of time he was free.
what did Oblivion do?
NOTING
P.S. atleza is VERY weak read Marvel The End

Originally posted by galactusischere
But?
Abraxas was one place above Oblivion.
Mr. Master knows what hes talking about.

oh and one more thing Quasar ESCAPED OBLIVION after he was nullified by the Magus when Magus had the IG.

Abraxas had destroyed countless universes during the short period of time he was free.
what did Oblivion do?
NOTING
P.S. atleza is VERY weak read Marvel The End idk about abraxas. but oblivion has a deal with multi eternity and infinity. not to interfear with universe untill the end of the cycle so he cant really do anything

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
idk about abraxas. but oblivion has a deal with multi eternity and infinity. not to interfear with universe untill the end of the cycle so he cant really do anything

so u admit Abraxas>Oblivion?

Originally posted by galactusischere
so u admit Abraxas>Oblivion? abraxas serves oblivion

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
abraxas serves oblivion

Mr. Master knows more about this stuff than us 3.
and he says Abraxas>Oblivion.
Abraxas had destroyed many UNIVERSES by just approaching them. and he was free for what a few weeks?
Oblivion has been there for alot longer and what has he ever done?
oh get his ass handed to him by Infinity?
allow Quasar escape from his realm?
PATHETIC

Originally posted by galactusischere
Mr. Master knows more about this stuff than us 3.
and he says Abraxas>Oblivion.so? and where does he say that? quote?Originally posted by galactusischere
He wa born within Eternity ah so your saying hes < eternity?yup he serves Oblivion well no its malestrom who get pwned
and Q dint "escape" oblivion let him go

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so? and where does he say that? quote?

Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=425534

some of it I dont agree with like HoM wanda, UN, and IG being placed lower than MJJ, Fury, Meggan, and cap britain w/ sword and amulet but overall its good.
Abraxas is one place above Oblivion.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ah so your saying hes < eternity?
Scathan was born within Eternity...
and he was above the LT. sure crappy story but that logic doesn't apply here.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup he serves Oblivion well no its malestrom who get pwned
and Q dint "escape" oblivion let him go

no..
If Oblivion is so powerful why doesn't he ever get off his lazy ass and do his own work?
how do we know if Oblivion doesn't work for Abraxas? Abraxas's purpose was destruction as well.

Maelstrom POWERED BY OBLIVION vs Quasar POWERED BY INFINITY.
and Maelstrom LOST.
hmm...
what does that tell ya?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=425534

some of it I dont agree with like HoM wanda, UN, and IG being placed lower than MJJ, Fury, Meggan, and cap britain w/ sword and amulet but overall its good.
Abraxas is one place above Oblivion.yaeh well if Abraxas embody destruction then he serve Oblivion direcly or indirecly


btw Mr M changed his mind about PR Beyonder (now he places him > HOTU iirc)that even canon?could say the same about TOAA gee man serouslylol LOL its like comparin Jug & Cytorak cuz Jugs powered by Cytorak

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yaeh well if Abraxas embody destruction then he serve Oblivion direcly or indirecly


btw Mr M changed his mind about PR Beyonder (now he places him > HOTU iirc)that even canon?could say the same about TOAA gee man serouslylol LOL its like comparin Jug & Cytorak cuz Jugs powered by Cytorak

ok u disagree and I disagree. unless somebody else comes and debates we wont have a conclusion

P.S. this is off topic but Galactus sent the Sphinx into a time loop. warped reality.
and for Kubik saying Galactus>himself I still cant find the scan but he says it when he tells MM his theory of Galactus's cycle

lol @ this thread. even if abraxas is >than oblivion he still cant hurt him so its stalemate

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
lol @ this thread. even if abraxas is >than oblivion he still cant hurt him so its stalemate

even if oblivion is >than Abraxas he still cant hurt him so its stalemate.
Destruction nuff said

Originally posted by galactusischere
even if oblivion is >than Abraxas he still cant hurt him so its stalemate.
Destruction nuff said destroy what? his mbody? thats all that can be destroyed. so if this is what this is about then fine he destroys the mbody. but its nothing but a image to see them. the still exist with or without it

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
destroy what? his mbody? thats all that can be destroyed. so if this is what this is about then fine

re-read it
I reversed ur point.
u said even if abraxas>oblivion he can't kill him.
and I said even if Oblivion>abraxas he can't still kill destruction.
Oblivion can't pack as much power as the UN does


and if ur so sure that Oblivion beats Abraxas then why bother making this thread?

Originally posted by galactusischere

Oblivion can't pack as much power as the UN does ...wut

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
...wut

simple Oblivion's nullification power is FAR below the UN

Originally posted by galactusischere
simple Oblivion's nullification power is FAR below the UN lol

this threads comedy

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lol

give me 3 good reasons why oblivion is > abraxas.

Originally posted by galactusischere
re-read it
I reversed ur point.
u said even if abraxas>oblivion he can't kill him.
and I said even if Oblivion>abraxas he can't still kill destruction.
Oblivion can't pack as much power as the UN does


and if ur so sure that Oblivion beats Abraxas then why bother making this thread? i didnt said i am sure. and after reading the link you provided i cal this fight a stalemate

Originally posted by galactusischere
If we go by that logic then it can be argued that Oblivion is an agent of Abraxas. Oblivon wants to bring an end to everything which is exactly what Abraxas wants.

see?

Except it's Abraxas' job to end everything. Oblivion just wants to be the one that is there in the end. During Cosmics in Collision, Infinity stated that when the universe ends, Oblivion will be supreme.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I calc this fight a stalemate

good enough for me

Originally posted by galactusischere
give me 3 good reasons why oblivion is > abraxas. cuz theres many abraxases but only 1 oblivion, cuz everythin abraxas does serves oblivion, cuz nulification > destruction/death/w-e, and cuz i say so (bonus reason 4 u)

now u gimme 300 reasons why abraxas is > oblivion

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Except it's Abraxas' job to end everything. Oblivion just wants to be the one that is there in the end. During Cosmics in Collision, Infinity stated that when the universe ends, Oblivion will be supreme.

Universe<Multiverse
We didn't get to see much of Abraxas, who knows maybe he would have been supreme if he fulfiled his task?
plus the universe still exists so...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i cal this fight a stalemate i cal this fight end with abraxas going to...oblivion ^_^

Originally posted by galactusischere
Universe<Multiverse yup and abraxas is universal character (1 abraxas for each galactus)

Originally posted by galactusischere
Universe<Multiverse
We didn't get to see much of Abraxas, who knows maybe he would have been supreme if he fulfiled his task?
plus the universe still exists so...

Infinity specified the Universe. Oblivion specified the Multiverse in Iceman. He stated that he exsisted before the Multiverse came to be.

You don't understand concepts do you? If Abraxas destroys everything, where does it all go? Into Oblivion, Abraxas is just feeding Oblivion power everytime is destroys things.

This isn't really a fight, Oblivion takes this handily.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
cuz theres many abraxases but only 1 oblivion, cuz everythin abraxas does serves oblivion, cuz nulification > destruction/death/w-e, and cuz i say so (bonus reason 4 u)

now u gimme 300 reasons why abraxas is > oblivion

there is ONLY 1 abraxas.

Everything Oblivion does serves Abraxas.

Abraxas has accomplished ALOT more than da lazy ass Oblivion.

Abraxas made MULTIETERNITY cry for help.

UN only worked on Abraxas because....

Abraxas killed Galactuses with in all the universes.

Was destroying the MULTIVERSE by just existing..

Was more feared...

Roma and Merlyn took action against him

how many is that?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup and abraxas is universal character (1 abraxas for each galactus)

no..

You don't really know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by galactusischere
there is ONLY 1 abraxas.

Everything Oblivion does serves Abraxas.i tought u said he dont do nothin?yeah and even more then TOAA haha. scan? how many unvierse did he destroy?yup it workedbig dealyeah hes a good servent
batmans even more feared HEY the celestial nulifier woud also work against him (goin by wut Mr master said) still 0

Everything Oblivion does serves Abraxas? What kind of mental retardation is that? Abraxas did almost nothing in his story except kill some alternate reality Galactuses.

i agree that in sheer power(out side oblivions realm) abraxas may be more powerful but he still cant harm oblivion.

oblivion can just go to his realm an absorb the multiverse along with abraxas in it

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Everything Oblivion does serves Abraxas? What kind of mental retardation is that? Abraxas did almost nothing in his story except kill some alternate reality Galactuses.

is that so?

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1184/abw6aa.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1039/unabraxasmayhem2sh0.jpg
casually floating around while reality was being destroyed

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3452/0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.jpg
kills reed with a gesture

the only way to beat oblivion is to rapidly create making his void smaller and smaller

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
the only way to beat oblivion is to rapidly create making his void smaller and smaller

is that so?
then Abraxas wins
If eternity who is FAR below Abraxas could recreate earth, then surely Abraxas can create random things to make the void smaller and smaller

Originally posted by galactusischere
is that so?
then Abraxas wins
If eternity who is FAR below Abraxas could recreate earth, then surely Abraxas can create random things to make the void smaller and smaller Eternity cannot expand his universe . and creating things inside a universe is nothing you have to expand the universe rapidly only LT can. if its not done by him oblivion would surley eat/destroy the excess into void.


unless abraxas has the power to switch places with oblivion and become it.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Eternity cannot expand his universe . and creating things inside a universe is nothing you have to expand the universe rapidly

ok im still sure he can make a universe under his own power given how powerful he was.

lets go feat-wise..
Oblivion's best feat is?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
the only way to beat oblivion is to rapidly create making his void smaller and smaller void aint got no size

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
void aint got no size

ok then HOW do you beat Oblivion?

Originally posted by galactusischere
ok then HOW do you beat Oblivion? You become him/it

Originally posted by galactusischere
ok then HOW do we beat Oblivion? u cant


even IF they coud someho create stuff till theres no void left then that mean theres Nothing left to create (cuz everythins been made)...wait..."Nothing"? oops thats Oblivion so hes still there 1 way or another



howver they can piss him off by creating more things (cuz "more something" = "less nothing" so that coud count as (temporary) defeat i guess

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u cant


even IF they coud someho create everything till theres no void left then that means theres Nothing left to create (cuz everything been made)...wait..."Nothing"? oops thats Oblivion so hes still there 1 way or another


however they can piss him off by creating more things (cuz "more something" = "less nothing" so that coud count as (temporary) defeat i guess yea that or if destroying his mbody counts as a win for them. because mbodys can be destroyed

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u cant


even IF they coud someho create stuff till theres no void left then that mean theres Nothing left to create (cuz everythins been made)...wait..."Nothing"? oops thats Oblivion so hes still there 1 way or another



howver they can piss him off by creating more things (cuz "more something" = "less nothing" so that coud count as (temporary) defeat i guess

Im positive someone with the IG, LT, the Nemesis, HoM wanda, the fury, MJJ, sies can easily dispose of him.
so can Abraxas.
answer me this what are his biggest feats and what can he do to Abraxas?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Im positive someone with the IG, LT, the Nemesis, HoM wanda, the fury, MJJ, sies can easily dispose of him.
so can Abraxas.
answer me this what are his biggest feats and what can he do to Abraxas? dispose of his conscience and mbody yes. the void no. so that can be a defeat.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
dispose of his conscience and mbody yes. the void no
all of the ones mentioned are OMNIVERSAL or dam close anyways

Originally posted by galactusischere
is that so?

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1184/abw6aa.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1039/unabraxasmayhem2sh0.jpg
casually floating around while reality was being destroyed

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3452/0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.jpg
kills reed with a gesture

Wow, that's sooooo cool.

Originally posted by galactusischere
all of the ones mentioned are OMNIVERSAL or dam close anyways Yea

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wow, that's sooooo cool.

Oblivion's feats? if he even has one other than "he is nothiness" and "he was born before the Multiverse"

floating around while reality falls apart is pretty impressive in my book

alright i end this thread with saying that abraxas destroying his "mbody" counts as a defeat or else this would be a never ending argument. how much power do you need to destroy an mbody??

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
alright i end this thread with saying that abraxas destroying his "mbody" counts as a defeat or else this would be a never ending argument. how much power do you need to destroy an mbody??

then Abraxas wins 10/10
Destroying mbodies wouldnt be that hard for someone like Abraxas
powerwise it should be obvious that Abraxas>Oblivion
The only reason people might say he wins is that he is nothigness and how is he going to hurt him.

and take a look at this..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t509837.html

Im gonna change my perspective on this and say that Oblivion takes this

Originally posted by galactusischere
Oblivion's feats? if he even has one other than "he is nothiness" and "he was born before the Multiverse"

floating around while reality falls apart is pretty impressive in my book

Mr. M's example is a bit misleading. Infinity and Oblivion never actually battle. They fought through their avatars (Quasar and Maelstrom), and Quasar only won because of something that happened in an earlier issue when a being called Origin recreated Quasar with a new uniform. By doing that she made him an even greater temporal anomaly than Maelstrom was. Quasar won, and be extension, so did Infinity.

There old pact prevented them from directly acting against each other.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Everything Oblivion does serves Abraxas? What kind of mental retardation is that? Abraxas did almost nothing in his story except kill some alternate reality Galactuses. What feats does Oblivion have under his belt?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Mr. M's example is a bit misleading. Infinity and Oblivion never actually battle. They fought through their avatars (Quasar and Maelstrom), and Quasar only won because of something that happened in an earlier issue when a being called Origin recreated Quasar with a new uniform. By doing that she made him an even greater temporal anomaly than Maelstrom was. Quasar won, and be extension, so did Infinity.

There old pact prevented them from directly acting against each other.
I wouldn't say its misleading.

The fact is,
that Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion are the four cornerstones of Reality,
all are "equal" and all need each other to have purpose.

Abraxas was above Eternity/Infinity,
literally able to destroy them both with no effort except to exist in reality.

Imo, Abraxas curbstomps Oblivion.

Oblivion returns

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wouldn't say its misleading.

The fact is,
that Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion are the four cornerstones of Reality,
all are "equal" and all need each other to have purpose.

Abraxas was above Eternity/Infinity,
literally able to destroy them both with no effort except to exist in reality.

Imo, Abraxas curbstomps Oblivion. not really sence, theres a scan showing that the UN sends everything to oblivion, when abraxas destroys a universe it goes to oblivion. Why? because thats what he represents, the vast emptiness after complete destruction.
how can some one who represents the thing that comes after destruction be destroyed

even the UN all it could do is turn a part of oblivions nothiness into a universe.(the opposite of nullification)

and also the eternities that are under abraxas is the single universe ones, multi-eternity and multi-infinity are on another level, oblivion doesnt have a lower universe form, the infinity he fought was the multi-infinity

Death was defeated by inbetweener and beyonder before
and you can't prove it was mulit Infinity

Originally posted by rotiart
Death was defeated by inbetweener and beyonder before
and you can't prove it was mulit Infinity death only represents death,
oblivion represents complete nothings there different, also oblivion at many times took deaths place when she was unable to kill some one and nullified them

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
not really sence, theres a scan showing that the UN sends everything to oblivion, when abraxas destroys a universe it goes to oblivion. Why? because thats what he represents, the vast emptiness after complete destruction.
how can some one who represents the thing that comes after destruction be destroyed

even the UN all it could do is turn a part of oblivions nothiness into a universe.(the opposite of nullification) i agree dis time ^^ (heck Abraxas himself was nulifed by the UN)


btw if everythin Abraxas destroys is nulified then Abraxas coudl be like a servent to Oblivion