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I've just got an email from Phantasia about the possible working title for Episode II, heres part of the email:

Comments?

Well, it wouldn't be a bad title. I wonder what else they'd come up with. Will it be as cryptic as TPM?

I like the title but I've said before I don't think GL would use "empire" again. Maybe "Rise of the Sith" but not "empire". I'm sure George will change the title. Thanks for the info, Raz.

Actually, after having a little talk with Josh at TFN, he says that this IS the working title they're currently using, but it was reported ages ago, so its supposedly old news...

Rise of the Empire's been rumoured and denied for ages (possibly years). I'd love it to be that but the Empire doesn't seem play a part in ep2 - at the end the Republic is still going even if it's on its last legs. And I think a few spies said the working title during filming was the joky "Jar Jar's Great Adventure". I'm putting my money on the title being obscure and nothing that's been rumoured - I'd never have guessed the title of TPM before it was released...

Yeah, this is an old rumour which was quashed almost as soon as it came out.

I posted the story on it back on 18th August 2000 on my Episode-II Website. I even made a mock title banner based on the Episode-I banner.

http://website.lineone.net/~episode-2uk/epii_logo_poss.jpg

The story was rapidly discounted within 3 days or so of it coming to light.

Looks like I was under my rock again, last August

To be fair, it came and went soooooo quick that it was easy to miss it.

Here's the original story I got my info from: www.canoe.ca/JamStarWars/aug17_sw.html

Could someone explain to me why so many users are convinced the word "Empire" won't be used again in a title? I personally like the titles "Rise of the Empire" and "The Empire Strikes" for Ep2. The word empire was mentioned a hundred times in the OT while Sith was mentioned a grand total of 0. The empire is rising in Ep2, doesn't it seem at all plausable that this could be the films title?

Actually the Empire ISN'T rising, Palpatine is. I don't think we will see anything that could be considered THE EMPIRE until Episode-III.

Rise of the Emperor? And we don't know yet if the Empire doesn't rise in Ep2. The question for stronger leadership will certainly be an isse. Maybe the inauguration of Palpy is the big cliffhanger this time.

I kinda like the idea of two "Empire" titles. Maybe Ep3 might be called "Fall of the Jedi", that would tie in nicely with the oher titles.

Agreed, we don't know, but for Lucas to go from Palpatine is Chancellor to Palpative has full control is rather an odd way to tell a story.

Also, Palpatine only gained full control when he disolved the senate and that didn't happen until ANH...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the empire won't 'rise' till the end of ep 3 and maybe even ep 4. Doesn't tarkin say something about how the empire gains total control during episode 4 in a scene in the film.

No, "the last remnant of the old republic has been swept away". That's what he said, it sounds like a mere formality to me.

And we don't go from Palpy as Chancellor to Emperor like that, in Episode 2 he's been Chancellor for ten years!!!!

Oh, I know in the timeline there's a ten year gap. What I'm saying is that from the viewers aspect it' a big jump to kinda ignore.

I guess Palpy will have been gathering power during the 10 year gap but I just feel it would still be a little too soon for him to declare himself Emperor.

Maybe. But still, I suspect that Palpy's position will be made very clear to us at the beginning of Ep2. After all, Padme is a Senator so there are many opportunities to make clear to us what the political status is. If any information about Palpy's authority is given, then GL's basically home free to do whatever he wants.

Think it's OK but I think there's to much of the EMPIRE in there for my liking.
We need something darker, moodier and much more destructive.....aaarrrrhhhhh...sorry about that!

What about:- The Rathe Of The Sith or how about:- Dark Cloud OF War

Ok, so there not that great.... we will just have to wait to see that the Great Beard comes up with!

Nice tries though. But maybe a bit too dramatic for SW. Rise of the Empire is quite basic SW style, it would fit, but true, we'll have to wait and see.

OK...thinking of something basic.

How about:- The Dark Clone Wars , Cloak Of The Sith , The Great War <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT="">

Well, they don't really say anything about the story, now does it. If you look at TPM, ANH and ROTJ there are several ways to explain the title. ESB is the only that only one, well it strikes back in several ways, but still it's pretty basic. Yet, it does say something about the WHOLE SW story:

TPM (a threat to the universe that is hidden by another)
...
A new hope (Luke, destruction of the Death Star)
ESB (the Emprie retaliates)
ROTJ (Luke returns after his defeat, Anakin returns to being a Jedi)

So, the Clone Wars could be a title, but so far it probably doesn't really start until the end of Ep2. And ends maybe somewhere at the beginning of Ep3. So that seems unlikely. And they're still a little too dramatic.

How about then....

Fate Of The Jedi.....

Dawn Of The Senate....

Reign Of The Empire....

ooooopps..put a EMPIRE in there somewhere....it's harder than you think, this movie calling name thing!

Think i will call it a day on this one!! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT="">

Ok, if theres no Empire in Ep2, how about "Fall of the Republic"?
Hmmmm, somehow, it doesn't sound right...

How about "Rise or the New Order"?

New Order is a little too close to New Jedi Order though.

I think something that at first glance appears meaningless but that after you have seen the film is full of meaning.

"The Phantom Menace" was like that. At first site is didn't seem to mean anything but after you have seen the film it makes perfect sense.

I don't know. TPM with Maul's head seemed to be linked, but then after watching the movie they weren't. And still there's debate what exactly the TPM is. It is very cryptic and can be explained in many ways.

Well, my interpretation was that the Trade Federation were the Phantom Menace because throughout the film they appeared to be the menace but it was a Phantom because in fact the menace always was and will be Palpatine!

Didn't George say (I can't remember where exactly) that TPM are Sidious and Maul?

He may, but in the end Maul wasn't such a meance cos he got chopped. I guess it's the Sith as a whole maybe then, instead of just Palpatine. But the point I made is still valid for either cos the Phantom Menace was the TF.

See, that's the fun of that title. There are several TPM's. The TF are a TPM for Sidious, Sidious is a TPM for Palpatine. Maul going after the Jedi was also a TPM. And the TF are a TPM for Palpy's scheme. So there's a lot of that. IMHO OC.

OK, now I'n dizzy!!!

Read again.

OPk remember how ROTJ was going to be called revenge of the jedi, but got changed at the last minute? well how about 'the revenge of the sith'. I know it's an old one but I like it.

Watched TPM lastnight for inspiration and a clue may have been given in some dial;ogue between sidious and maul 'atlast we will have revenge atlast we will reveal ourselves to the jedi'

So maybe 'the revenge of the sith' or maybe ' dark force revealed' or something along thoses lines. I def think revenge or revealed will be in there somewhere.

That does not sound very strong to me. Not even once are any crucial words in the titles used in any of the films (new hope (we did hear "only hope", strikes back, return of).

Besides, Revenge of the Jedi was always a fake title to throw off unlicensed merchandise producers. It was changed at the last minute because Return of the Jedi was always the real title. A working title, like Blue Harvest.

I don't think GL will pick a title that's too much like OT.. I doubt we've even gotten close to the real title yet.

I think a 4 word title...

Rise of the Sith
Palpy rides again
Anakin does Coruscant
Everything you always wanted to know about Darth Vader but were afraid to ask

:LOL..well, if it was Kubrick instead of Lucas those might just work.

Breathing mask wide shut.
Dr. Palpatine, or how I stopped worrying and love the Sith.
Full Lightsabre Jacket

Hmmmm, me thinks it's time for you to head back to the GDF!

i dont care too much anyway what the title is. there's a year to go yet. I think in all honesty I've got more important things to worry about.

So, why even bother commenting then. sheesh!

Aha, RC has a new strategy. He's trying to chase everyone of his boards. I wonder why?

Huh? Not my boards matey. You're jyust upset that I abandoned the GDF, go on, admit it!

Yep. I miss you.

Awww, that's nice...

"Fate of the Republic" doesn't sound to bad I guess.
Most people disagree with me here, but I would actually be satisfied with the title "The Rebellion Rise Forth." It sounds traditional and similar to the other titles.

I wonder if GL will go with an obviously SW title of something that doesn't initially sound Star Wars?

It's.... it's..... it's.... DD! How are you dude?

Well he never said he wouldn't be posting, just that he wouldn't be able to devote as much time to the board as he would have liked.

I'm with DD here...Rebellion Rise Forth does sound like the bester of the two..it's more action oriented.

But it doesn't mean anything. Most of these titles don't. The SW titles say something about the story. They are like chapter titles, guiding us through the story.

TPM: the beginning of an evil plot

ANH: A new beginning, new opportunities in the Star Wars, which are dominated by evil
ESB: Evil strikes back, a major setback (will they make it)
ROTJ: Hope returns and finishes the battle

Rebellion Rise Forth doesn't really mean anything. It could be the title of EpVI.

So really you think we're after something more like The Evil Revealed, or The Beginning of the End, or the Road to Disaster, or The Traitorous Blow, or something, at this point?

No, that's to specific. I like Rise of the Empire. It's dramatic, sober and in line with the others.

Right, although there's no precedent for repeating a noun or verb yet.

WHat sort of title do you think Episode III wopuld have, then? I always thought that would have been more of a 'Rise of X' thing, before now.

Well, maybe. I do think Ep3 will have something like a dramatic cliffhanger as well. So for me, I think the Empire will be in pretty much control. The fate of the universe is inevitable by the end of the PT. So "Rise" feels a little late IMHO. Maybe "Fall of the Jedi", but that'd be too much repetition.

Construction of an Empire.
For the love of a Jedi.
Faith of a jedi.
Jedi conflict.
The coruption of the senate.
The begining of a rebellion.
Growing of an empire.

Just brainstorming a bit here

ep3
Turning of a jedi. (GL might pull our leg on this one)

I think these are all a little too obvious. Sorry Finti, just MHO.

Which you are entitled to and that is fine by me, but as I said it was only brainstorming.
I must admit I have no clue off the title and I guess nobody else have either, just mere speculations lightyears away from the final title.

Dark Horizons had a report saying in was either "The Evil Within" or "Masters Of The Force" which is what I like so it must be fake.


*I am KJ, Koo-Koo-Ka-Choo*

Maybe it's just one word difference, like with Revenge of the Jedi. Maybe it's "Rise of the Sith". We've only heard that name in the PT so far, I think it deserves a title.

Well, I had a tip off that one of the following would be the title.

The Evil Within
The Darkness Within
The Conflict Within

And today I recieved another email that says it can confirm it. Unbfortuately I can't confirm either email is a genuine source.

Oh this is frustrating.. Those might work..but I think queeq does have a point...it would be nice to see Sith in the title...to give it more prominance in the saga.

Those titles don't work for me. Too vague, too abstract, so not telling anything. But keep trying, good titles are hard.

That's exactly why I like them. "The Evil Within" could be about Anakin, Palpatine or Dooku.

But it doesn't mean anything. Sounds like a bad tv docudrama. Or Danielle Steel.

Well "The Phantom Menace" and "A New Hope" don't really mean anything either.

Yes they do. TPM is about the political intrigue: a danger that covers up the real danger i.e. Palpy's rise. A New Hope: Rebels have Death Star plans, destroy Death Star, the rise of Luke. It says quite a lot storywise.

Who here thinks obi was a lousy jedi and a very crappy master??? I do

queeq, be honest. BEFORE you saw the move did "The Phantom Menace" make any sense. It was only AFTER I had viewed it that I could appreciate what it meant, and even then it still had different meanings to different people.

Being used to the Dennis caracther I thought,before watching the movie, the menace was Anakin. A little rascal.

Anakin the Menace!!! Yay! You solved it!!!

True. I did not know what it was about. But I didn't know HOW the Empire would strike back or WHAT the new hope was after I saw the movie. Yet is says a heck of a lot more than: The Evil Within, Danger Lurking, Rise of Evil, Darkness Rules, Darkness Rising. That could fit any movie or dime novel, not SW. IMHO OC.

But so could A New Hope or The Phantom Menace. ESB ands ROTJ are kinda SW specific.

I know we talked about this in another topic, but the translation of TPM,into Norwegian, told more of what to expect. Of course the translator had seen the movie and because of this could "nail" the title to tell a little bit more than TPM. If you translate the Norwegian title back it would be Hidden/Disguised Treath.
I love the title TPM, it startled me in the beginning, but It really made me wonder and the yearning for the film grew to the extrem much because of the title.

I must admit, I'm with finti. I also presumed that Anakin was the phantom menace the title refurred to. After seeing the film I realised that it was a mis-leading and totally class title. Lets hope Lucas has another tucked up his sleeve which will hold cryptic clues to Palpy's backroom dealings over the last ten years and his FUTURE plans for an army for the universe.....(dramatic pause)....THE EMPIRE!

I'm in total agreement mechmoggy

Yep, Rise of the Empire would not be the best. I don't know what is though.

Wasn't there a rumor a while back about the title being Shakespeare like?

What would be Shakespeare like. Othello, Romeo and Juliet, Henry V, Hamlet,Julius Ceasar, what else did he write?

The Tempest, Macbeth, etc. But I can't really see what a "Shakespeare" like title would mean.

Episode 2: Taming of the Sith.

Thou shall not turn

Well, I can't really tell you what a "Shakespeare-like title" would mean either. I just remember that TFN report...it was something like "Love's Labor Lost" but I don't think that was it..

Since in previos star wars movies the title basically told a little bit about the story, i think that "The Dark Side Returns" would be a fitting title.

A MidsummerKnight's dream

How bout Much Ado About the Naboo?

Skywalker the I