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It's on.

Bloodlusted, adamantium wolverine.

Wolverine. Though Kalibak has him in strength and durability Wolverine is much, much, much smarter (99 % of comics characters are smarter than Kalibak) and more skilled. Kalibak couldn't take down Dan Turpin. It really makes you wonder how he's Darkseid's son and Orion's half brother.

Kalibak. The guy used to go up against Orion.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Kalibak. The guy used to go up against Orion.
And lose every time except for once when he was amped by Darkseid.

Kalibak is a moron.. he gets gutted by logan while he is roaring and screaming how he is the great Darkseid son.stretcher

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And lose every time except for once when he was amped by Darkseid.

Kalibak's Beta club has actually stunned Orion before. It's a powerful weapon.

And no, Kalibak is not a moron. He's one of the better trained warriors on Apokolips.

Depends on the Kalibak incarnation. I can see Wolverine winning some as I dont think Kalibak's durability could stop Wolverine's claws.

He's not all bad really, here Kalibak had Kyle dead to rights except Donna saved him

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9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Green_Lantern_1995-61-18-19.jpg

After his upgrade owns Orion and Mister Miracle.

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One of Kalibak's appearances had his Beta Club reset for Kryptonite energy. IIRC, he took down Superman with it. His club is pretty versatile.

Also, he easily broke Hal's constructs as well.

Kalibak is a beast when he wants to be or written well.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's on.

Bloodlusted, adamantium wolverine. haha, you pitt Kalibak against the one person built to kill him.

nice one.

Wolverine one shots.

"He's dodging my fiercest blows damn it!"

This would have been a spite thread in 05'. People would have said Wolverine bashing needs to stop. lol Actually I think it was one.

Could see it going either way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Could see it going either way. how would kalibak win?

Beta Club right in the head. It's phased top tiers, it can phase Wolverine.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Beta Club right in the head. It's phased top tiers, it can phase Wolverine. phase? thats not a win

If it can crush GL constructs and level citirs, it will KO Wolverine.

Originally posted by Starscream M
how would kalibak win? I think he could ko him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he could ko him. maybe if he can land a clean hit...but it'd be pretty hard for him to get that off against logan

Do you know anything about Kalibak? The man is fast. Hell, most New Gods are incredibly fast. When Superman first visited Apokolips, he was surprised that the lowlies and basic gods were moving all at super speeds.

Kalibak regularly battles Orion, who moves fast himself.

And don't forget Kalibak has healing as well. Stood up to the Astro Force no less and has survived Orion's assault many times.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Do you know anything about Kalibak? The man is fast. Hell, most New Gods are incredibly fast. When Superman first visited Apokolips, he was surprised that the lowlies and basic gods were moving all at super speeds.

Kalibak regularly battles Orion, who moves fast himself.

And don't forget Kalibak has healing as well. Stood up to the Astro Force no less and has survived Orion's assault many times. is kalibak more of a threat than rulk...cuz Wolverine handled rulk pretty well.

Kalibak.

Originally posted by Starscream M
is kalibak more of a threat than rulk...cuz Wolverine handled rulk pretty well.

Not as much, anymore, but Rulk isn't as fast as Kalibak. Wolverine is tough as nails, but a few or couple blows from his club should end it.

^ I imagine this fight would have a similar result to Wolverine's off-panel fight against Ulik in Wolverine: First Class #15.

Originally posted by Starscream M
is kalibak more of a threat than rulk...cuz Wolverine handled rulk pretty well.
There's a sound argument.

If BFR counts than wolverine gets punted out of the battle pretty easily

Loganmore times than not.

Kalibak. Those psy blasts are going to make Logan very vulnerable. and i'm pretty sure Mr. Miracle's Psy Resist are superior to Logans. Kalibak also has a father box that will heal his injuries.

I don't see Kalibak winning this.

Originally posted by Blight
I don't see Kalibak winning this.
I don't see how he's going to lose. He's way faster. Way stronger. He's stronger than Orion, who with no weapons, would destroy Wolverine. He's got Psionic beams a high tech weapon and a father box. Who has wolverine fought with all of that?

^^

Kalibak's damage soak is huge.


http://img19.photobucket.com/albums.../jkfw-09-09.jpg

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Kalibak is vastly underrated, in general. Being defeated by Superman doesn't suddenly make you weak (I know this might come as a shock to many).

You know the mods are getting lazy when they don't pick up this as a spite thread.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You know the mods are getting lazy when they don't pick up this as a spite thread.

Lmao.

When there's a Wolverine vs. Thor thread floating around here somewhere, why would they bother?

Originally posted by batdude123
Lmao.

When there's a Wolverine vs. Thor thread floating around here somewhere, why would they bother?
When there are pieces of shits like Val posting here....haw-som

Karma's a *****.

Seeing as how fanboys brought Thor saying that he takes "scores of planets" or other silver age idiotic hyperboles as arguments, bending the concept of common sense and shoving C4 up its ass, they shouldn't complain.

^ Wow. Someone's bitter. Thor only took a planet destroying blast as far as I recall. The scores of planets feat is likely confused with his encounter with Umar, who revealed that she didn't unleash the power that she said she did earlier. And frankly, with concepts like T-Vo, idiotic hyperboles that stretch common sense aren't limited to certain ages. Also FYI, Silver Age ended around 1970.Originally posted by Prep-Man
^^

Kalibak's damage soak is huge.


http://img19.photobucket.com/albums.../jkfw-09-09.jpg

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http://img19.photobucket.com/albums.../jkfw-09-13.jpg Psst. Links don't work.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Psst. Links don't work.

what he said..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Psst. Links don't work.

Bah! It always does that when I copy and paste them. You can view them in the Orion respect thread.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Bah! It always does that when I copy and paste them. You can view them in the Orion respect thread. Yeah, you have to quote (which will reveal the entirety of the link) and then copy and paste. You can't just copy and paste directly from the Respect Thread.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Relevance...

Tangential.

I just like to point this out every chance I get. uhuh

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_KalibakDurability1.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_KalibakDurability2.jpg

uhuh

Wouldn't this be the latest incarnation of Kalibak..the one from that god awful Final Crisis?.

Originally posted by starlock
Wouldn't this be the latest incarnation of Kalibak..the one from that god awful Final Crisis?.
That tony the tiger kalibak? ug. They were specifically stated as being weak in those human bodies. How can we use them?

Originally posted by starlock
Wouldn't this be the latest incarnation of Kalibak..the one from that god awful Final Crisis?. Then wolverine clearly wins the majority.

Yeah that Kalibak got killed by (what I think is a pretty "standard" anthropomorphic tiger.

Agreed, I was thining about the higher showing one.

Originally posted by Starscream M
haha, you pitt Kalibak against the one person built to kill him.

I don't know what's more insane. That you said you can lift a 500 lb rock. That you think you're a vigilante. Or that you believe what you jsut typed. I'd call it a tie and leave it at that.


Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This would have been a spite thread in 05'. People would have said Wolverine bashing needs to stop. lol Actually I think it was one.

Awe...when the board was a place of humour and semi rational discussion. What fine times were those.

Originally posted by Starscream M
maybe if he can land a clean hit...but it'd be pretty hard for him to get that off against logan

Yes, I see your point. I mean, if Kalibak can hit superman...then it's pretty easy to see how logan would be too fast for him. I can't wait to read your Wolverine vs. superman thread...it's only a matter of time.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I imagine this fight would have a similar result to Wolverine's off-panel fight against Ulik in Wolverine: First Class #15.

I have to see that. The idea that wolverine fought Ulik is utterly ridiculous. One punch from Ulik should launch Wolverine 3-4 city blocks away.

Why does no one see the insanity that this character has become?

Originally posted by batdude123
When there's a Wolverine vs. Thor thread floating around here somewhere, why would they bother?

Amen.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I have to see that. The idea that wolverine fought Ulik is utterly ridiculous. One punch from Ulik should launch Wolverine 3-4 city blocks away.

Why does no one see the insanity that this character has become?Not so fast. I never said that the result was good for Wolverine. It wasn't. At all.

Wolverine was on his knees 313

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not so fast. I never said that the result was good for Wolverine. It wasn't. At all.

My bad. I'd ike to see that...and I'd like to hear Master Bruce's explanation of the event.

^ From Wolverine: First Class #15:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/th_WolverinevsUlik01.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/th_WolverinevsUlik02.jpg

And then a few off-panel pages later:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/th_WolverinevsUlik03.jpg

Originally posted by KharmaDog
My bad. I'd ike to see that...and I'd like to hear Master Bruce's explanation of the event. um, if you read the scan s ODG posts, it shows both guys fine after their scuffle...which is my point, wolverine is built to fight bricks. ie hulk.

in his best incarnation.......kalibak destroys wolverine

Originally posted by namorsubby
in his best incarnation.......kalibak destroys wolverine well, kalibak could never kill wolverine...wolverine could potentially kill kalibak.

kill or ko, it's still a win. And Kalibak is immortal.

.....................



well......I guess he'd just keep getting one-shotted and regaining consciousness, only to have the process repeated.......for all eternity.....assuming he can't be killed

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I don't know what's more insane. That you said you can lift a 500 lb rock. That you think you're a vigilante. Or that you believe what you jsut typed. I'd call it a tie and leave it at that.




Awe...when the board was a place of humour and semi rational discussion. What fine times were those.



Yes, I see your point. I mean, if Kalibak can hit superman...then it's pretty easy to see how logan would be too fast for him. I can't wait to read your Wolverine vs. superman thread...it's only a matter of time.



I have to see that. The idea that wolverine fought Ulik is utterly ridiculous. One punch from Ulik should launch Wolverine 3-4 city blocks away.

Why does no one see the insanity that this character has become?



Amen. Yea, if this is some super weakened Kalibak I could see the point of the thread, but the one I know.... nah. That's crazy.

Ulik is the awesomeshit.

Kalibak too.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Ulik is the awesomeshit.

Kalibak too.

both look like trolls...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
These thumbnails don't actually work either. I removed them. I'm gonna be selective on what I keep on photobucket from now on, after my other accout got full.
Too bad you missed them. uhuh

Kalibak but Logan certainly takes few wins.

If Wolverine can beat Kalibak for the majority, then he could most likely go a couple of rounds with Superman and Orion

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Wolverine can beat Kalibak for the majority, then he could most likely go a couple of rounds with Superman and Orion yeah, because Kalibak can fly, has superspeed on par with Superman, and has ranged options

come on.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, because Kalibak can fly, has superspeed on par with Superman, and has ranged options

come on.

Kalibak has ranged options

Kalibak has means of flight

Kalibak has great superspeed, and fortunately there are many degrees between Wolverine speed and several times faster than light speed

Superman would still crush Wolverine without these things

You're an idiot

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Kalibak has ranged options


nope, since you didn't state he has beta club for this fight. if he does, then wolverine dies.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

Kalibak has means of flight nope, he doesn't have aero disks in this fight

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

Kalibak has great superspeed, and fortunately there are many degrees between Wolverine speed and several times faster than light speed his speed would not be something logan couldn't handle
Originally posted by Kris Blaze

Superman would still crush Wolverine without these things ummm...irrelevant
Originally posted by Kris Blaze

You're an idiot that's a bit harsh

oh, let's also not forget kalibak has the IQ of a grapefruit.

Originally posted by Starscream M

that's a bit harsh Wolverine guts him unless he has his club.

Originally posted by Starscream M
nope, since you didn't state he has beta club for this fight. if he does, then wolverine dies.
I don't need to state that Thor has Mjolnir. Just like I don't have to state that Annihilus has his cosmic rod.

Originally posted by Starscream M
nope, he doesn't have aero disks in this fight
Once again, that is up to me, the one who created the thread and not you.

Originally posted by Starscream M
his speed would not be something logan couldn't handle
And this statement simply isn't true. I mean, it comes from you looking at maybe 2 or 3 scans of Kalibak.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm...irrelevant
Not irrelevant at all. If your memory spanned more than 3 minutes at a time you would have recalled that you responded to a post involving possible matchups against Superman, AND mentioned Superman yourself. Good going Einstein!

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's a bit harsh
Truth hurts, idiot.

Mjolnir is standard equipment for Thor. Beta Club isn't for Kalibak, its more like herc and his mace. You have to specify the beta club.

Again, you have to specify aero disks as they are not standard equipment.

Wolverine is an good choice to fight bricks IMHO. Kalibak isn't the brightest one, he likes to brawl. Wolverine wins more often.

Actually the Beta Club IS standard equipment for Kalibak

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually the Beta Club IS standard equipment for Kalibak well, I assumed Kris didn't give Kalibak the beta club since I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't deliberately create a spite thread

if kalibak has the beta club, then this is spite imo

I agree

Originally posted by Starscream M
nope, since you didn't state he has beta club for this fight. if he does, then wolverine dies.

nope, he doesn't have aero disks in this fight

his speed would not be something logan couldn't handle
ummm...irrelevant
that's a bit harsh

That reminded me of a Charlie argument.

Originally posted by batdude123
That reminded me of a Charlie argument. what's a charlie argument?

Originally posted by batdude123
That reminded me of a Charlie argument.
Put every plan under a microscope and nothing's going to make sense haw-som

Yeah Im lost on that one too, whats a Charlie argument?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah Im lost on that one too, whats a Charlie argument?

Charlie Brown I guess?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah Im lost on that one too, whats a Charlie argument?
facepalm

Good Lord, people. uhuh

Charlie arguement as in?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Charlie arguement as in?

Charlie Kelly from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Originally posted by batdude123
Charlie Kelly from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

great show, devito is rediculous

Ah yes, Dayman

Originally posted by batdude123
Charlie Kelly from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Is this considered general knowledge in the USA?

Thanks for the scans OneDumbG0.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um, if you read the scan s ODG posts, it shows both guys fine after their scuffle...which is my point, wolverine is built to fight bricks. ie hulk.

Wolverine looks a mess, he's out of breath...and Ulik is about to drop a 3foot wide fist on his head. What the hell are you talking about him being fine? Maybe if he had some of your super hockey gear, but not as that scan stands.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, kalibak could never kill wolverine...wolverine could potentially kill kalibak.

You are insane...and an embarassment.

great thread, kris!

i'd say given his history (ridiculous as it has become k-dog) it is hard not to see logan having at least a chance in this battle. it would really depend on a couple things, imo--kalibak's speed and healing. i'm not sure of the levels of each, tbh. he usually fights like a brick and he DOES have some poor showings (though in his early days he WAS quite a beast.)

the list of bricks logan has taken out is pretty long though. is kalibak really so far above hercules who logan has fared very well against (to my own undying rage . . .) he's also fared very well against namor and hulk (obviously) and has ko'd abomination among many others.

i agree--logan has become a travesty, in many ways. but to say this is spite for kalibak given the characters logan has matched and defeated doesn't seem quite right to me. i'd need some speed feats and healing feats before i'd begin to entertain that idea.

well, according to Kris, Kalibak has his beta club...that would make it quite spite

Kalibak is still an idiot, Wolvie will say her mother must be ugly and he'll try to duke it hand to hand, Logan will win at that very moment.

Don't go getting all rational and accepting on me leo.

As I understand it, in any of the vs. battles we are supposed to take the combatants with their best showings and highest potential in mind barring PIS and CIS.

That being said, many of Logan's victories over major bricks seem CIS and PIS induced. He is such an inconsistant character that his feats seem hard to take. For instance, so much is made about how much damage he can inflct with his claws, but in that brief showing against Ulik he takes a swipe to no affect and in the panel, after what seems to be a lengthy off panel fight, Logan is about to get smucked by an Ulik who looks no worse for wear.

Wolverine has pretty much become a widely accepted Squirrel Girl.

(UNLEASH THE FANBOYS)

Kalibak is a transvestite?

Originally posted by leonidas


great thread, kris!

i'd say given his history (ridiculous as it has become k-dog) it is hard not to see logan having at least a chance in this battle. it would really depend on a couple things, imo--kalibak's speed and healing. i'm not sure of the levels of each, tbh. he usually fights like a brick and he DOES have some poor showings (though in his early days he WAS quite a beast.)

the list of bricks logan has taken out is pretty long though. is kalibak really so far above hercules who logan has fared very well against (to my own undying rage . . .) he's also fared very well against namor and hulk (obviously) and has ko'd abomination among many others.

i agree--logan has become a travesty, in many ways. but to say this is spite for kalibak given the characters logan has matched and defeated doesn't seem quite right to me. i'd need some speed feats and healing feats before i'd begin to entertain that idea.

Wolverine knocked over Hercules with a table.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wolverine knocked over Hercules with a table.

It better have been a solid marble table that was about 3 feet thick. Because if it was a wood table...that feat would be on par with Sasquatch getting knocked out by a shovel.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It better have been a solid marble table that was about 3 feet thick. Because if it was a wood table...that feat would be on par with Sasquatch getting knocked out by a shovel.

Regular wood, in a bar facepalm

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Regular wood, in a bar facepalm

that's NOT the instance i'm referring to . . . that is NOT the one that has been thrown in my face ad nauseum by logan fans . . .

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Regular wood, in a bar facepalm

That just ain't right.

I hear that in his next mini Wolverine:
1. Beats down Thor with a fly swatter.
2. Suffocates Hulk with a dixie cup.
3. And impales Juggs on an adamantium swizel stick.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's NOT the instance i'm referring to . . . that is NOT the one that has been thrown in my face ad nauseum by logan fans . . .

That is why I spent so much time away from these forums...and I sense that my time back is limited.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's NOT the instance i'm referring to . . . that is NOT the one that has been thrown in my face ad nauseum by logan fans . . .
The contest of (bullshit) champions incident then? Where Thor could fly, Rogue could knock out -everyone- with one touch and Hercules was knocked by a alien-stimulated berserker rage Wolverine?

Both incident seem a bit iffy to me.

Just tell the Wolverine fans to **** off.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
That just ain't right.

I hear that in his next mini Wolverine:
1. Beats down Thor with a fly swatter.
2. Suffocates Hulk with a dixie cup.
3. And impales Juggs on an adamantium swizel stick.



That is why I spent so much time away from these forums...and I sense that my time back is limited.

in all honesty, it has been BETTER than it used to be, imo. there are quite a few objective people in the forum now-a-days. and it's hard to blame logan fans. the writers and higher-ups at marvel have ALLOWED logan (a character i used to like a LOT--miller's wolverine was one of the best minis ever. . .) to become this . . . whatever he has become. and because of that, we as readers have been forced to acknowledge him for what they've made him.

i don't like it anymore than you do, my friend . . .

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The contest of (bullshit) champions incident then? Where Thor could fly, Rogue could knock out -everyone- with one touch and Hercules was knocked by a alien-stimulated berserker rage Wolverine?

Both incident seem a bit iffy to me.

Just tell the Wolverine fans to **** off.



that usually works . . .

what we need is a simple, on-panel battle between herc and logan where herc demolishes him. sometimes i think if we can get that, the world would be right again.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The contest of (bullshit) champions incident then? Where Thor could fly, Rogue could knock out -everyone- with one touch and Hercules was knocked by a alien-stimulated berserker rage Wolverine?

Both incident seem a bit iffy to me.To my knowledge, that wasn't immortal Hercules.

Originally posted by leonidas
in all honesty, it has been BETTER than it used to be, imo. there are quite a few objective people in the forum now-a-days. and it's hard to blame logan fans. the writers and higher-ups at marvel have ALLOWED logan (a character i used to like a LOT--miller's wolverine was one of the best minis ever. . .) to become this . . . whatever he has become. and because of that, we as readers have been forced to acknowledge him for what they've made him.

i don't like it anymore than you do, my friend . . . It's all around, the fans liked it so the writers made it and the fans ate it up, and that meant more sells and the cycle continues. They were depowering him some... for a while at least.

Originally posted by Starscream M
haha, you pitt Kalibak against the one person built to kill him.

nice one.

how?


also, it depends on which Kalibak, tbh...

What's up guys? No love for the Legendary Tiger Tea-amped Tawky Tawny? peaches

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What's up guys? No love for the Legendary Tiger Tea-amped Tawky Tawny? peaches

no, because Tawny would f*cking WRECK Wolverine.

what kalibak are we using? some kalibaks are pretty aweful, but his better versions should stomp hard.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no, because Tawny would f*cking WRECK Wolverine. Yeah. Tawny is not to be played with.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Don't go getting all rational and accepting on me leo.

As I understand it, in any of the vs. battles we are supposed to take the combatants with their best showings and highest potential in mind barring PIS and CIS.

That being said, many of Logan's victories over major bricks seem CIS and PIS induced. He is such an inconsistant character that his feats seem hard to take. For instance, so much is made about how much damage he can inflct with his claws, but in that brief showing against Ulik he takes a swipe to no affect and in the panel, after what seems to be a lengthy off panel fight, Logan is about to get smucked by an Ulik who looks no worse for wear.

Wolverine has pretty much become a widely accepted Squirrel Girl.

(UNLEASH THE FANBOYS)

And you want to bash other people for their intellect?

Are you so oblivious that you can't understand Wolverine 1st class is a comic geared at a younger audience and as such the performance of Wolverine's claws vs. ANYTHING pretty much HAS to get dulled down?

Seriously, it's been flat out stated by the writer of the series that he has to take liberties to fit the stories around a character like Wolverine and still gear them to a younger audience. Not that hard to figure out.. Lest of course you think Ulik is terribly more durable than Hulk, Thor, Herc, or Namor... Which given that you think all of Wolverine's long history vs. bricks is bullshit, I guess doesn't matter one way or the other.

Jesus, any other character could with such a long running history doing a specific thing MIGHT get some credability for doing it along the way, not Wolverine..

What a bunch of Bullocks.

Wolverine has a better chance of taking this fight in h2h than not, with the club eh dunno, but I doubt it'd make THAT much of a difference. Kali's been quite the jobber.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The contest of (bullshit) champions incident then? Where Thor could fly, Rogue could knock out -everyone- with one touch and Hercules was knocked by a alien-stimulated berserker rage Wolverine?

Both incident seem a bit iffy to me.

Just tell the Wolverine fans to **** off.


And Wolverine feats for that matter. Anything that decimates the predetermined image in your head of a guy who can't beat anyone who isn't quadriplegic and already on their deathbed.

Originally posted by leonidas


that usually works . . .

what we need is a simple, on-panel battle between herc and logan where herc demolishes him. sometimes i think if we can get that, the world would be right again.

Yes, because that would then take precedence over the many many times Wolverine's faired in a superior fashion over bricks..?

Who has Kalibak jobbed to that is on Wolvies level?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Who has Kalibak jobbed to that is on Wolvies level?
Dan Turpin....

People shouldn't be so bent out of shape over Contest of Champions II. At that time, Hercules was stripped of his immortality and had his power greatly diminished.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dan Turpin....

Was this the human Kalibak? Even the human Kalibak would find it hard to lose to Turpin if he wanted to.

Originally posted by Allankles
Was this the human Kalibak? Even the human Kalibak would find it hard to lose to Turpin if he wanted to.
It wasn't so much a real loss. If memory serves Kalibak (regular Kalibak) was on a roof top and Turpin shoved a grenade down his throat and pushed him off. He wasn't really seriously hurt but Turpin won by default and it was pretty embarrassing to Kalibak.

So, that's it? On average, Kalibak doesn't job that hard and he wasn't in his true form.

Like someone else said it will go a lot like the fight with Ulik (that's assuming Kalibak doesn't have his club) except Thor won't be there to save Wolvy.

So did Wolverine lose?

Wolverine wins this 6 or 7 out of ten.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
So did Wolverine lose?

Probably.

Wolverine gets one or two on being lucky. Can't see him beating any kalibak except the Tony Tiger one.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes, because that would then take precedence over the many many times Wolverine's faired in a superior fashion over bricks..?

So, does that mean by default that no Hercules win over Logan on panel can ever be counted because Wolverine has beaten 'other' 'bricks'?

Originally posted by Blanket
So, does that mean by default that no Hercules win over Logan on panel can ever be counted because Wolverine has beaten 'other' 'bricks'?

i was wondering the same thing . . .

and i don't care about the other bricks. i was speaking of a definitive beating by hercules, specifically. but, meh.

Kalibak

Wolverine: 7/10

Faster
Better fighter
Adamantium claws that would rip through kalibak like paper
More Agile
And has a damage soak that is pretty much top tier.

He is an upgraded kalibak minus the superstrength.

If this is the Kalibak that appeared in Firestorm all Kalibak has to do is look at him.

Originally posted by leonidas
i was wondering the same thing . . .

and i don't care about the other bricks. i was speaking of a definitive beating by hercules, specifically. but, meh. I think your main problem was assuming that brick A was any different than brick B. By now we should all know that all bricks are the same. It's common sense really.

Hell, I even recall h2h Thanos Brickos losing to Wolverine...

Originally posted by -K-M-
If this is the Kalibak that appeared in Firestorm all Kalibak has to do is look at him.

I agree but thats not the normal kalibak. If we're using that kalibak we can use the death wolverine that had tech out the a**.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but thats not the normal kalibak. If we're using that kalibak we can use the death wolverine that had tech out the a**. Would that even make a difference?

Originally posted by Blanket
Would that even make a difference?

No

Originally posted by carver9
Faster

based on?



proof?

Originally posted by -Pr-
based on?



proof?

I would LOVE to compare speed feats. The only thing you might bring up is who he has tagged in a fight who really wasnt using super speed when fighting him.

Originally posted by carver9
I would LOVE to compare speed feats. The only thing you might bring up is who he has tagged in a fight who really wasnt using super speed when fighting him.

i just wondered where you got the idea that logan was faster than kalibak.

and there's also the question of his durability...

Originally posted by -Pr-
i just wondered where you got the idea that logan was faster than kalibak.

and there's also the question of his durability...

Wolverine has cut people that are more durable than Kalibak. Wolverine being able to slice up Kalibak is pretty obvious if you ask me.

Going by speed feats, Wolverine has him by a land slide. This fight would go like wolverine vs rulk, Wolverine vs Hulk, Wolverine vs Sasquash, etc...

Hell be bouncing all around him.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine has cut people that are more durable than Kalibak. Wolverine being able to slice up Kalibak is pretty obvious if you ask me.

Going by speed feats, Wolverine has him by a land slide. This fight would go like wolverine vs rulk, Wolverine vs Hulk, Wolverine vs Sasquash, etc...

Hell be bouncing all around him.

like who?

even if he had the speed feats (which i'm not sure he does), that still doesn't mean he has the force required to cut kalibak.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine vs Sasquash, etc...

Errrr? Wolverine has never cut Sasquatch or beat him or even came close to it

In either of their encounters Wolverine was not bouncing around Walter and Walter tagging him pretty easily.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine has cut people that are more durable than Kalibak. Wolverine being able to slice up Kalibak is pretty obvious if you ask me.

Going by speed feats, Wolverine has him by a land slide. This fight would go like wolverine vs rulk, Wolverine vs Hulk, Wolverine vs Sasquash, etc...

Hell be bouncing all around him. In other words, you have no idea what goes on in comics?

Originally posted by -Pr-
like who?

even if he had the speed feats (which i'm not sure he does), that still doesn't mean he has the force required to cut kalibak.

I just name two people that are more durable than him or just as durable. Kalibak isnt known for his durability, hes strong but hes no where as close to being as durable as the hulk or rulk if we compare feats and wolverine has slice through both pretty easily.

Originally posted by Blanket
In other words, you have no idea what goes on in comics?

Thanks for letting me know that, now can you debate please

Originally posted by carver9
Thanks for letting me know that, now can you debate please NP Carv, NP

K. Kalibak wins.

To be fair, Rulk's durability against piercing attacks is poor. There are better examples.

Originally posted by Blanket
NP Carv, NP

K. Kalibak wins.

Why?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, Rulk's durability against piercing attacks is poor. There are better examples.

Those two do not belong in the same sentence.

Originally posted by carver9
I just name two people that are more durable than him or just as durable. Kalibak isnt known for his durability, hes strong but hes no where as close to being as durable as the hulk or rulk if we compare feats and wolverine has slice through both pretty easily.

really?

the same kalibak that has given superman pause on occasion and even surprised him with his speed?

Originally posted by carver9
Why? Because Kalibrick is fast enough to hit him, and strong enough to KO him?

Funny when the outright favorite gets questioned because the other character is Wolverine...

Originally posted by -Pr-
really?

the same kalibak that has given superman pause on occasion and even surprised him with his speed?

Just like I thought, bringing up who he fought. Superman has complimented numerous of bricks on there speed, its not a solid argument and lets not even go there, wolverine gets complimented on his speed in almost EVERY fight hes in.

Show me some speed feats, dont tell me about hyperbole because it doesnt count.

Originally posted by Blanket
Because Kalibrick is fast enough to hit him, and strong enough to KO him?

Funny when the outright favorite gets questioned because the other character is Wolverine...

What does that have to do with anything, wolverine can take the hits? We are talking about a guy that took a punch that knocked him out of orbit. We are talking about a guy that guy kicked from new york to germany and bounced up like nothing happened.

Kalibak isnt one shotting him at all or dropping him easily. I can see Kalibak falling from stab strikes before wolverine fall from punches.

Originally posted by carver9
Just like I thought, bringing up who he fought. Isn't that why Wolverine gets the nod against every brick in the history of comics?