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Are you still happy you did?

All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

He has enormously expanded the national debt.
He has done nothing for the environment.
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.
What has he done about unemployment?
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

Welcome to George W Bush the sequal

Is it time to start blaming everything on Obama?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is it time to start blaming everything on Obama?

No, but we at least should see some of the "change" that was promised. All I see is more of the same.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud


All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?


You're asking a question here, yet worded as a statement. Care to expand on this?

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
No, but we at least should see some of the "change" that was promised. All I see is more of the same.

I am surprised you actually believed any of this change crap.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're asking a question here, yet worded as a statement. Care to expand on this?

You're right, the quesgtion mark was a typo, it should have been a period.

If you've been following Obamacare you'd know by now it's medicare on steroids.

As for his czars, you can read all about them here

I will give Obama credit for one thing...he did throw billions of borrowed taxpayer dollars at the banking sector with which bank executives paid themselves huge bonuses and did nothing to stimulate the economy. Oh wait, that happened under Bush as well.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am surprised you actually believed any of this change crap.

I didn't. I held my nose and voted for McCain. This thread is directed at those who actually believed the hype.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I didn't. I held my nose and voted for McCain. This thread is directed at those who actually believed the hype.

OK!

whoa whoa whoa.

okay, first of all. the president of the united states can do much greater things i.e. more public and dramatic in the foreign policy arena because he is the "commander-in-chief". this should sound familiar - a lot of what bush is remembered for is inappropraite foreign policy - like starting a war that was not only unecessary, but uneccessary because the government lied to to its people about the reason for starting it. lack of wmd's, anyone?

secondly, if the president wants something to happen in the domestic law of the united states, he can't just POOF it into being. that's why we have a house and senate. if he could just poof things better, we would have a dictator - and that's not good.

so for example we have a health bill passed, and obama wanted a different health benefits system for the us.

but that 'want' had to be written into bill form, and then discussed in the house and senate - where there are people who will be strongly opposed to what the bill says and people who will like what it says - but ultimately the bill doesn't pass until both of these categories are happy.

this is how a health bill that seems even more beneficial to insurance companies comes through the system.

really, one of the only things the president of the united states can change, is his behavior. and as a symbol of america, if he is diplomatic and doesn't believe in waving war around like a threat *ahem ahem bush?* then what happens is that other countries think better of america because our symbol is better.

like... when obama bowed to the japanese emperor. that, although it seems to be a small gesture, is quite large in its effect. he bowed to the emperor because he knew that, as a foreign dignitary being hosted by another foreign dignitary, he should respect their customs.

so what the world sees is a president who is willing to work together with, rather than tromple all over, other countries. the little things that get reported and talked about until overanalyzation deprives them of any sort of meaning - these little things the president does - they ARE major changes.

learn the bill to law system, study everything the president's responsible for - and what he's not responsible for - and you might reconsider your ultimate decision that obama's to blame for EVERYTHING.

I think he needs to start wearing a shirt with Master Billy Quizboy from the Venture Bros. on it with the quote "Don't kid yourself there, you're a bit of a pussy" on it.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud


I will give Obama credit for one thing...he did throw billions of borrowed taxpayer dollars at the banking sector with which bank executives paid themselves huge bonuses and did nothing to stimulate the economy. Oh wait, that happened under Bush as well.

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Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I didn't. I held my nose and voted for McCain. This thread is directed at those who actually believed the hype.

then shouldn't you be happy with Bush again?

Originally posted by inimalist
then shouldn't you be happy with Bush again?

That's a good point. In time, Bush will become more popular with people disenchanted with Obama.

nono, his comparison was to Obama being the continuation of Bush. Given he voted for McCain, shouldn't that mean he is happy rather than just looking for something to quibble about in a partisan nature?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That's a good point. In time, Bush will become more popular with people disenchanted with Obama.

Yup, that's the way things work with people. If things aren't going good, just blame the one in charge and work to get someone completely different who will no doubt be better. Then when things aren't going well under him, suddenly this new leader who was supposed to be so great is not good and the previous leader is looking better and better the further away we get from the time when he was the leader and everyone hated him.

Originally posted by inimalist
nono, his comparison was to Obama being the continuation of Bush. Given he voted for McCain, shouldn't that mean he is happy rather than just looking for something to quibble about in a partisan nature?

I understood what you were getting at. I'm just taking it down the road. Nostalgia is a strange beast.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understood what you were getting at. I'm just taking it down the road. Nostalgia is a strange beast.

people forget the pain

lol, actually, I'm worried that what we will remember about bush will be all the war nonsense and the "bush-isms", whereas his real danger to democracy, the massive expansion of executive powers, will get forgotten and just become business as usual.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?


I didn't vote for him.


Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

I most definitely don't like bigger government. I agree with you, there.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
He has enormously expanded the national debt.

Debt when Obama took office: $10.6 trillion.

Debt now: $11.99 Trillion.

Total Obama debt created: $1.39

Total Bush debt created: $4.9 Trillion.

My sources:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/03/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4872310.shtml

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Obama has quite a bit to go to catch up to Bush. Bush is the worst spender(President) in US History.

I don't think debt should be created, no matter what. I think our government is MUCH too fat and much too big. We should be getting rid of programs, not creating more.

Having said that, Obama needs to bring back his spending in the next year or two, and even have a surplus. That's what I'd like to so. However, that's definitely not in Democrat politics. I don't expect much.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
He has done nothing for the environment.

Yes he has. Quite a bit, actually.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/energy-and-environment/

Not to mention all of the talks he's undertaken with other nations about getting the rest of the world on the same page of clean energy. He just took a trip to China and that was a topic of discussion.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?

Yes. Where is this tax cut?

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.

He wasn't planning on pulling out of Afghanistan in the near future, but he was Iraq. We have made progress on the Iraqi troop withdrawal.

Here's the facts:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/30/white-house-hails-iraq-tr_n_223226.html



Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
What has he done about unemployment?

Spent an absurd amount of money, created hundreds of thousands of jobs, and still didn't keep the unemployment from going over 10%.

I could have sworn there was more involved than just spending, such as job creation legislation...but, other than money related legislation, nothing is coming to mind.



Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?


Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

He has a slight majority of democrats.

On top of that, you have democrats that go against the grain, at times, such as blue dog democrats.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Welcome to George W Bush the sequal

Not really. Spending? Yes. Other than that, they aren't THAT simiar.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
No, but we at least should see some of the "change" that was promised. All I see is more of the same. Has it ever been different?

I actually liked McCain best in terms of character. But he had two strikes against him. One: same party as Bush; and two: Palin.

Edit

yes we can...

just call him barry

Problem with Obama is that he has such a rock star status - this is not healthy for someone who is supposed to lead a very powerful nation.

That and the fact that after promising ''change'' he went and employed into his administration people who have been in charge of America for ages.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?

All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

He has enormously expanded the national debt.
He has done nothing for the environment.
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.
What has he done about unemployment?
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

Welcome to George W Bush the sequal

The president is just a figure head, a puppet of the bankers who run the world so what do you expect???!!!!!

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The president is just a figure head, a puppet of the bankers who run the world so what do you expect???!!!!!

Oh I agree. I was just wondering what those who thought Obama was a cure-all think now,

Originally posted by inimalist
nono, his comparison was to Obama being the continuation of Bush. Given he voted for McCain, shouldn't that mean he is happy rather than just looking for something to quibble about in a partisan nature?

Not true. I'm not a Republican. I was glad to see Bush leave as well. I rarely vote for major party candidates and I didn't vote for mcCain as much as I voted against Obama.

I think Hillary lost nomination, even though in my opinion she's far more competant than Obama, because she was seen as part of the old guard, the Washington establishment (which admittedly is true).

People wanted something fresh and new. My whole question in this thread is....do they think they got that ?

lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
I didn't vote for him.




I most definitely don't like bigger government. I agree with you, there.



Debt when Obama took office: $10.6 trillion.

Debt now: $11.99 Trillion.

Total Obama debt created: $1.39

Total Bush debt created: $4.9 Trillion.

My sources:
Obama has quite a bit to go to catch up to Bush. Bush is the worst spender(President) in US History.


Not really. Spending? Yes. Other than that, they aren't THAT simiar. Lets look at obama. Been in office almost a year. What's he done? Spent 1.39 trillion dollars. Bush spent 4.9 trillion over 8 years. If obama gets re-elected, and there's that many blind people in the world who thinks he will do some sort of change crap in 7 more years, and continues at this rate, he will have spent 11 trillion dollars.

also, at least bush had the balls to try and do something with all that power and money. Don't see any "change" happening with obama, for all that money.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Lets look at obama. Been in office almost a year. What's he done? Spent 1.39 trillion dollars. Bush spent 4.9 trillion over 8 years. If obama gets re-elected, and there's that many blind people in the world who thinks he will do some sort of change crap in 7 more years, and continues at this rate, he will have spent 11 trillion dollars.

also, at least bush had the balls to try and do something with all that power and money. Don't see any "change" happening with obama, for all that money.

I most certainly did not say that Obama wasn't spending a bunch of money. Just pointing out that Obama has quite a bit to go before he reaches Bush levels. And, if you read my post, you'd see that I do not like spending and, in fact, we should be reducing our spending.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Lets look at obama. Been in office almost a year. What's he done? Spent 1.39 trillion dollars. Bush spent 4.9 trillion over 8 years. If obama gets re-elected, and there's that many blind people in the world who thinks he will do some sort of change crap in 7 more years, and continues at this rate, he will have spent 11 trillion dollars.

also, at least bush had the balls to try and do something with all that power and money. Don't see any "change" happening with obama, for all that money. To be fair though Obama faced a major economic crisis in his first year, so there's "hope" (lol) that this spending will not be repeated.

Originally posted by Bardock42
To be fair though Obama faced a major economic crisis in his first year, so there's "hope" (lol) that this spending will not be repeated. I don't see a release from said economic crisis, especially when the president continually authorizes the bail-outs of economies that should die due to their financial stupidity.

Originally posted by One Free Man
I don't see a release from said economic crisis, especially when the president continually authorizes the bail-outs of economies that should die due to their financial stupidity. Okay, then you are being a bit silly though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, then you are being a bit silly though.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here, Bardock.


I could have sworn that you would prefer the companies fail, i.e. allow the markets to rise and fall on their own.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm not sure what you are talking about here, Bardock.


I could have sworn that you would prefer the companies fail, i.e. allow the markets to rise and fall on their own.

I agree with the sentiment. But I am not so blind as to not see that the economy will recover with Obama's more socialised approach as well.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?

All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

He has enormously expanded the national debt.
He has done nothing for the environment.
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.
What has he done about unemployment?
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

Welcome to George W Bush the sequal Пётр Алексе́евич Рома́нов, Пётр I, Pyotr I would beg to differ. You douche.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with the sentiment. But I am not so blind as to not see that the economy will recover with Obama's more socialised approach as well. explain how I am being silly. lets see how the curve of improvement after obama's election has looked so far:

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flat. straight. it's stayed the same. You want to rely blindly on Obama's socialized approach with no results, you do that. I'm still happy I didn't vote for him, because I do not support any of his lazy passive and massive spending of my cash. The government takes a third of my money when I get my paycheck to bail out companies who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

you are honestly of the opinion that the best option for the government would have been for them to do nothing in the face of a pending economic collapse?

Originally posted by inimalist
you are honestly of the opinion that the best option for the government would have been for them to do nothing in the face of a pending economic collapse? if by "nothing" you mean not spend 1 trillion dollars to really just keep it the same as before.

Originally posted by One Free Man
explain how I am being silly. lets see how the curve of improvement after obama's election has looked so far:

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flat. straight. it's stayed the same. You want to rely blindly on Obama's socialized approach with no results, you do that. I'm still happy I didn't vote for him, because I do not support any of his lazy passive and massive spending of my cash. The government takes a third of my money when I get my paycheck to bail out companies who have made incredibly stupid decisions.

Look, dude, I am not a big fan of government either, definitely not excess spending. Like I elaborated, my point was not that I am happy with Obama spending that much, but that it won't stop the economy from recovering. Perhaps it slowed it down, but it did probably make the lives of a lot of people a bit better than they would have been otherwise.

And although I do think that free economics and little government control is in most cases preferable to the overall good, I can't help but lately feel sympathy for people in misery and also feel glad that to some extend the social network of my country insures me that even if I should be struck by misfortune I would not hit rock bottom.

Obama hasn't even been in office for a year yet, so in my opinion it's too soon to tell what positive or negative affects he's had as the President. I'm glad I voted for him and that he became the President, because if he didn't, then I'd always wonder what could have been. I'm giving the guy some time before I judge his performance. So far he seems very active and very personable. He has a lot to learn, but that is okay. He'll learn from his mistakes and that will make him a better President.

Originally posted by One Free Man
if by "nothing" you mean not spend 1 trillion dollars to really just keep it the same as before.

no, I mean nothing

I'm not talking partisan semantics, I'm asking if it is honestly your opinion that no action from the government, as in deliberate inaction, would have been the best solution for the recent economic problems.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?

All I see he has done is try to create an expanded version of medicare and a bunch of "czars" answerable soley to him?

He has enormously expanded the national debt.
He has done nothing for the environment.
Where is his promised tax cut for the middle class?
Are we out of Iraq or Afghanistan? Last I checked he was EXPANDING our presence in Afghanistan.
What has he done about unemployment?
What has he done to stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries?
He has an overwhelming majority in both houses of congress, he has no excuse.

Welcome to George W Bush the sequal As long as redox reaction's take place, I'm happy. You douche.

Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
As long as redox reaction's take place, I'm happy. You douche.

Why am I a douche? Just because I don't like, or trust, the "anointed one"? Do you always resort to name calling concerning anyone who doesn't share your opinion?

Originally posted by inimalist
no, I mean nothing

I'm not talking partisan semantics, I'm asking if it is honestly your opinion that no action from the government, as in deliberate inaction, would have been the best solution for the recent economic problems. I think that introducing 1 trillion dollars to the economy hasn't helped it any. If you want me to say that the government should have done NOTHING for anyone, I'm not going to. There are other solutions than bail-outs.

The value of our revenue has remained steady, by introducing 1 trillion dollars you have merely split the value more ways therefor destroying the dollar more permanently.

Apparently, some Democrats are starting to not like Obama's economic policies and some are even comparing him to Bush. Please note the liberal source for this as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/rep-defazio-fire-timmy-ge_n_363093.html

and

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/eliot-spitzer-obama-econo_n_362658.html

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look, dude, I am not a big fan of government either, definitely not excess spending. Like I elaborated, my point was not that I am happy with Obama spending that much, but that it won't stop the economy from recovering. Perhaps it slowed it down, but it did probably make the lives of a lot of people a bit better than they would have been otherwise.

And although I do think that free economics and little government control is in most cases preferable to the overall good, I can't help but lately feel sympathy for people in misery and also feel glad that to some extend the social network of my country insures me that even if I should be struck by misfortune I would not hit rock bottom.

That's debatable. You might be right, but there's really no way to tell.

What I do know is some of the stimulus money went to pay executive bonuses when not one penny should have.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
That's debatable. You might be right, but there's really no way to tell.

What I do know is some of the stimulus money went to pay executive bonuses when not one penny should have.

I am not sure what you are referring to. We will see in the next few months/years whether it will recover (it will). If you mean whether some it did protect some people from extreme misery, then yeah, that is not certain, I just find it likely.

I do agree with that.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Apparently, some Democrats are starting to not like Obama's economic policies and some are even comparing him to Bush. Please note the liberal source for this as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/rep-defazio-fire-timmy-ge_n_363093.html

and

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/eliot-spitzer-obama-econo_n_362658.html

Well, the young turks have been talking about that a while back, more democrats seem to be disatisfied. Apparently for the first time his approval has fallen below 50% now, as well

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Why am I a douche? Just because I don't like, or trust, the "anointed one"? Do you always resort to name calling concerning anyone who doesn't share your opinion? I always resort to name calling. That's why I drive a Porsche.

Since you care so much, I didn't vote. Why would I when both branches of the political system are of the same tree.

Marvelous world we live in.

Originally posted by inimalist
no, I mean nothing

I'm not talking partisan semantics, I'm asking if it is honestly your opinion that no action from the government, as in deliberate inaction, would have been the best solution for the recent economic problems.


I know you aren't talking to me, but I have to say something:


The government is partially to blame for the mess, to begin with, because of the ****ing around with the fed rates. lol

Originally posted by One Free Man
I think that introducing 1 trillion dollars to the economy hasn't helped it any. If you want me to say that the government should have done NOTHING for anyone, I'm not going to. There are other solutions than bail-outs.

The value of our revenue has remained steady, by introducing 1 trillion dollars you have merely split the value more ways therefor destroying the dollar more permanently.

I don't really disagree with any of that

Originally posted by dadudemon
I know you aren't talking to me, but I have to say something:


The government is partially to blame for the mess, to begin with, because of the ****ing around with the fed rates. lol

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Originally posted by dadudemon

Total Obama debt created: $1.39

Total Bush debt created: $4.9 Trillion.

Obama has quite a bit to go to catch up to Bush. Bush is the worst spender(President) in US History.


Obama has been in office for 9 months and the national debt has risen $1.39 trillion. Bush in office for 8 years created 4.9 trillion and he was the worst spender?

If debt keeps increasing at that rate, Obama debt will be up to 11.12 trillion at the end of his second term... assuming he gets elected again... and he probably will... (and that is being kind and giving him $1.39 debt increase per year rather than per nine months, which is where the record stands now.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
I most certainly did not say that Obama wasn't spending a bunch of money. Just pointing out that Obama has quite a bit to go before he reaches Bush levels. And, if you read my post, you'd see that I do not like spending and, in fact, we should be reducing our spending.

By precentages, he has already trounced Bush. If the rate continues he will be at Bush's levels in 2011... 5 years quicker than Bush got to that level.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Obama has been in office for 9 months and the national debt has risen $1.39 trillion. Bush in office for 8 years created 4.9 trillion and he was the worst spender?

If debt keeps increasing at that rate, Obama debt will be up to 11.12 trillion at the end of his second term... assuming he gets elected again... and he probably will... (and that is being kind and giving him $1.39 debt increase per year rather than per nine months, which is where the record stands now.)



By precentages, he has already trounced Bush. If the rate continues he will be at Bush's levels in 2011...

You think that there will be a huge economic crash every nine months of Obama's presidency?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You think that there will be a huge economic crash every nine months of Obama's presidency?

Frankly? No, but I don't think the economy will be improving greatly anytime soon, and I also believe that Obama will continue to spend at a comprable rate. I also believe that he will be at Bush's level in 2011 at the earliest and 2012 at the latest. But, who knows. I could be wrong, I will be quite satisfied if I am. I'm not one of those Republicans who is salivating at the prospect of Obama's failure, If he can pull us out of this (without causing a great hit to our freedoms), more power to him.

Originally posted by inimalist
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Good stuff. I like Dan and Deb's music. Also, they make much better than that. Similar to listening to Power Pill: you'd think that Richard D. James wasn't as absurdly and ridiculously as talented as he is just by listening to some of his Power Pill stuff.)




Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Obama has been in office for 9 months and the national debt has risen $1.39 trillion. Bush in office for 8 years created 4.9 trillion and he was the worst spender?

If debt keeps increasing at that rate, Obama debt will be up to 11.12 trillion at the end of his second term... assuming he gets elected again... and he probably will... (and that is being kind and giving him $1.39 debt increase per year rather than per nine months, which is where the record stands now.)



By precentages, he has already trounced Bush. If the rate continues he will be at Bush's levels in 2011... 5 years quicker than Bush got to that level.


Great. Not to be a tad rude, but, do you have anything to add that I already haven't said? (Everything you just said is the same as what I said, with more numbers and more words.) I just wanted to point out that despite Obama's total spending (not record, if inflation is taken into account, which it should.), still is not the same as Bush's. He did say that his overall goal is to balance the budget while mentioning that he would have to spend money to dig out of this economic crisis before he could start focusing more on fiscal policy.



This does not change, however, my distaste for big government and mega-spending. I still disagree with it.

Yes, I would have preferred some of the businesses fail, some to consolidate, on other's to be liquidated/sold piece by piece to other organizations. Sure, "my" way would have taken longer to recover from, but in 5 years, "my" way would have created a stronger and more stable market. We'd also have "hard learned lessons" which would be more likely to stave off something similar to this. My way would have also included a tad more regulation from the government. My way would create a much more steady growth rate, not this up and down explosive B.S. we are seeing now. After 5-7 years, my way would result in better economic growth BECAUSE: stability breeds predictability and trust in that predictability. That's what the government is trying to artifically do now. It's not working even remotely as well as they wanted. Sure, we are seeing improvements...but how much of that is the market self-righting and how much of that is government intervention?

If you haven't noticed, I prefer regulation over intervention....by a lot.



Sometimes, I can sound every bit like a conservatard. Other times, a libtard.


But, by all means, everyone go to town on my idea of better regulation with little to no intervention. Maybe I'm just a stupid shortsighted idiot. I'm more than happy to learn.

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Originally posted by chomperx9
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I lol'd.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Are you still happy you did?


He has enormously expanded the national debt.

If I haven't eaten in 8 years and you cram a 13 inch turd down my throat, when I shit out a 14 inch turn a few hours later, how much of that turd was mine to begin with?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Good stuff. I like Dan and Deb's music. Also, they make much better than that. Similar to listening to Power Pill: you'd think that Richard D. James wasn't as absurdly and ridiculously as talented as he is just by listening to some of his Power Pill stuff.)

I actually don't know anyone by a personal name. Maybe a couple...

I heard from a guy that Androgyn Network was Radium and his girlfriend, but I don't know.

Originally posted by inimalist
I actually don't know anyone by a personal name. Maybe a couple...

I heard from a guy that Androgyn Network was Radium and his girlfriend, but I don't know.

Here name is Deborah. His name is Daniel.



Edit - Looked it up. http://www.discogs.com/artist/Androgyn+Network
Last name Técoult.

Won't matter in 2012, as it's pretty safe the country is going way to the Right.

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/193.jpg

Originally posted by Robtard
Won't matter in 2012, as it's pretty safe the country is going way to the Right.

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/193.jpg

Will I have to brake my Chia Obama?

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/features/mutts/blog/obama_chia.jpg

I really do have one.

angelina jolie not a fan of obama as well

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/angelina-jolie-not-a-fan-of-obama-1527435.story?gt1=43001

More troops will be sent to Afghanistan....where are the Anti War protesters? Democrat party president, right hippies? Riiiiight.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
More troops will be sent to Afghanistan....where are the Anti War protesters? Democrat party president, right hippies? Riiiiight.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/10/05/antiwar_protesters_turn_their.html

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/21/18580199.php

http://www.antiwar.com/

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090321


Or Google "Anti war protest 2009." You're welcome; happy Thanksgiving.

Not the same numbers...most of them are anarkists.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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All hail the new president same as the old president...

I thought Obama was for remaining in Afghanistan prior to becoming president.

Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
I thought Obama was for remaining in Afghanistan prior to becoming president.

he in fact suggested increasing the military presence in Pakistan as well

which produced a very Orwellian moment in the debate, where John McCain argued that Pakistan was an American ally, and thus you couldn't say those things "out loud"

Originally posted by inimalist
he in fact suggested increasing the military presence in Pakistan as well

which produced a very Orwellian moment in the debate, where John McCain argued that Pakistan was an American ally, and thus you couldn't say those things "out loud" I didn't know that. So then why is everyone surprised?

Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
I didn't know that. So then why is everyone surprised?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8298580.stm

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