Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Vs Cosmic Armour Superman

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danielgamer
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Vs Cosmic Armour Superman

galactusischere
Beyonder 1000000000.....000/10

shokosugi
PR Molecule man + PR Beyonder are like cockroaches compared to CA Superman

Knowsbleed33
PR Molecule Man with a twirl of his finger.

Warlord
MM

Parmaniac
Originally posted by shokosugi
PR Molecule man + PR Beyonder are like cockroaches compared to CA Superman

thumb up

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dsfanboy.com/media/2006/02/Sarcasm.jpg

the Darkone
PRE MM is stomp

thanos-prime
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
PR Molecule Man with a twirl of his finger.

Galan007
Supes.

The Nuul
MM stomps.

The Nuul
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
PR Molecule Man with a twirl of his finger.

Which finger?

xJLxKing
Superman

tkitna
MM effortlessly

bbrem123
MM easy

Parmaniac
Maybe it would help if both sides would state why Supes/MM would win.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Maybe it would help if both sides would state why Supes/MM would win.

MM was above the LT.
/debate

The Nuul
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Maybe it would help if both sides would state why Supes/MM would win.

No....

Philosophía
Superman.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman.
just no..

kevdude
CA Superman, saves the story which Pre-Retcon MM is apart of

galactusischere
Originally posted by kevdude
CA Superman, saves the story which Pre-Retcon MM is apart of
that is bull.
PR MM was so powerful that the LT and Watcher had to literally beg him to save the multi-verse(equivalent to omniverse back then)from the Beyonder. He created a barrier more powerful than the Multi-verse with ease.

Galan007
^ and mandrakk had "eternal power" - what's your point?

galactusischere
Originally posted by Galan007
^ and mandrakk had "eternal power" - what's your point?

Unless you prove to me that Mandrakk>LT my point remains.

xJLxKing
Mandrakk>Presence, there you go

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mandrakk>Presence, there you go
...since when?
he was just eating all reality, nothing suggests that he was>supreme being.
He was only a part of the PM.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mandrakk>Presence, there you go

Is that true or are you just making fun of his logic?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Galan007
^ and mandrakk had "eternal power" - what's your point? Define what eternal power meant when they described it in that story. What did it entail?Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mandrakk>Presence, there you go Since when?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
...since when?
he was just eating all reality, nothing suggests that he was>supreme being.
He was only a part of the PM.
You haven't read FC, have you?


It points out to it

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You haven't read FC, have you?


It points out to it

ok, where in Final Crisis does it point out to Mandrakk being superior to the supreme being? Post a scan or a quote from one of the issues.
support your claim

Lord Feron
I know it old but im being very serious... MM turns him into salt... big grin

quanchi112
Originally posted by galactusischere
ok, where in Final Crisis does it point out to Mandrakk being superior to the supreme being? Post a scan or a quote from one of the issues.
support your claim thumb up !

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You haven't read FC, have you?


It points out to it

no proof?

Galan007
Originally posted by quanchi112
Define what eternal power meant when they described it in that story. that's like asking me what marvel means when they say "infinite multiverse" none..



in short: "eternal power" = "infinite power".

shokosugi
wow galactusishere

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Tarkus/FacePalm.jpg

xJLxKing
Galan don't bother. They haven't read FCmessedB 1&2
If they did, they would understand what the bleed is, what Mandrakk's smallest machine is capable, they would understand what happened when Quantom Adam tried talking with Mandrakk. They would understand what Mandrakk was eating. They would understand what the monitors can hold, what they are capable of, and what Mandrakk did to them. Though, they don't

Prep-Man
Was Mandrakk bigger than universes when they were on the outside of the multiverse?

Nihilist
MM wins.

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Galan don't bother. They haven't read FCmessedB 1&2
If they did, they would understand what the bleed is, what Mandrakk's smallest machine is capable, they would understand what happened when Quantom Adam tried talking with Mandrakk. They would understand what Mandrakk was eating. They would understand what the monitors can hold, what they are capable of, and what Mandrakk did to them. Though, they don't

LT would destroy the omniverse with a thought.
Galactus was doing the same thing as Mandrakk during BCA.
Pre-retcon MM made a barier more powerful than the multi-verse(same thing as omniverse back then) which Beyonder easily destroyed.

you fail to show us proof that Mandrakk was more powerful than the Presence or even the LT.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Was Mandrakk bigger than universes when they were on the outside of the multiverse?
yea he was

galactusischere
Originally posted by shokosugi
wow galactusishere

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Tarkus/FacePalm.jpg ..
comes from the person who says Nighcrawler can beat WWH and LT is more powerful than the Beyonder...

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Was Mandrakk bigger than universes when they were on the outside of the multiverse?
To Mandrakk and CA Superman the multiverse was a physical object they could probably wrap their arms around. The individual universes and their inhabitants were like germs to them.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
LT would destroy the omniverse with a thought.
Galactus was doing the same thing as Mandrakk during BCA.
Pre-retcon MM made a barier more powerful than the multi-verse(same thing as omniverse back then) which Beyonder easily destroyed.

you fail to show us proof that Mandrakk was more powerful than the Presence or even the LT.
You post just proves you are just staying what you want to believe. Fact is, you haven't read Superman Beyond and you pretend you have and try to argue about it.


Yup, but that the only places Mandrakk was. That's were he was feeding. That's how huge he was. Simply Nano Technology to Mandrakk was so powerful in DCU. Mandrakk was eating DCU alive, he even cracked the the entire sphere just by entering.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by Omega Vision
To Mandrakk and CA Superman the multiverse was a physical object they could probably wrap their arms around. The individual universes and their inhabitants were like germs to them.
Like Superman states, "all of creation, in a jar shattered"

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You post just proves you are just staying what you want to believe. Fact is, you haven't read Superman Beyond and you pretend you have and try to argue about it.


Yup, but that the only places Mandrakk was. That's were he was feeding. That's how huge he was. Simply Nano Technology to Mandrakk was so powerful in DCU. Mandrakk was eating DCU alive, he even cracked the the entire sphere just by entering.

ok lets say that I havn't read those issues..
Give me one feat that MM couldn't do.

Omega Vision
The problem with all such debates is that its difficult to compare one nigh-omnipotent to another. The only way we could know which one is better is if the two fought and we saw the victor in a comic book. Otherwise all we can do is speculate for the most part.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The problem with all such debates is that its difficult to compare one nigh-omnipotent to another. The only way we could know which one is better is if the two fought and we saw the victor in a comic book. Otherwise all we can do is speculate for the most part.

but MM WAS omnipotent

Parmaniac
Originally posted by galactusischere
but MM WAS omnipotent

PR Beyonder was but not MM

galactusischere
Originally posted by Parmaniac
PR Beyonder was but not MM

When LT and Watcher beg u to protect the Multi-erVse(equivalent to omniverse back then)and u can create a barier that is more powerful than the multi-verse with ease then your omnipotent

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
but MM WAS omnipotent
No he wasn't. Omnipotence implies no other being can match or exceed your power which is why there is only one Supreme Being. He was nigh-omnipotent if even that.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
ok lets say that I havn't read those issues..
Give me one feat that MM couldn't do.
Okay, fair enough.

Mandrakk is a cosmic vampire that feed on the bleed. The bleed was discovered by Mandrakk was he was still "good". However, when he was exposed to it, he realized he was a vampire, that he feeds on it, that he gets stronger the more he feeds on it. To stop what he is going to become, he makes CA, and seals himself. The bleed as stated a couple of times in FC is the essence, or life of DCU(not just Multiverse, or anything smaller, but entire DCU). Mandrakk eats this for breakfest. As we know, what is part of DCU? Presence? Mxy? Spectre? and soo many others. This is why he has "eternal power". In addition, he is a monitor. A single monitor can FREEZE entire universes, tank universal attacks as if it is nothing. Because he is a monitor, he can also hold the Bleed, and what is the bleed? That's right!
That female monitor and Superman explained why Mandrakk HAD to lose

His simply Nano Technology(which is soo small to them) is bigger then entire cities to us. Imagine how big a their finger is to them? Superman explained and states it as simply as he can, when Mandrakk emerged, the jar of creation(that how small it is) shattered

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
When LT and Watcher beg u to protect the Multi-erVse(equivalent to omniverse back then)and u can create a barier that is more powerful than the multi-verse with ease then your omnipotent
No, maybe you'd like to think, but it's not

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
When LT and Watcher beg u to protect the Multi-erVse(equivalent to omniverse back then)and u can create a barier that is more powerful than the multi-verse with ease then your omnipotent
And the Cosmic Armor protected its multiverse from a being that the Spectre was utterly powerless against. A being that would have eaten the multiverse otherwise.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No he wasn't. Omnipotence implies no other being can match or exceed your power which is why there is only one Supreme Being. He was nigh-omnipotent if even that.

Galactus has been said to be nigh omnipotent in comics like 5 times....
hyperbole maybe, but LT is virtually omnipotent. He is so powerful that he makes 2 beings and appoints them as guardians of mega-verses.
PR MM was even beyond him. LT was powerless against Beyonder however MM gave him a fight.

I don't know how powerful PM was but I know that the one from Beyond was atleast equal to supreme beings.

bbrem123
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No he wasn't. Omnipotence implies no other being can match or exceed your power which is why there is only one Supreme Being. He was nigh-omnipotent if even that.

LT is said to be...but by what you say he isnt

MM fought beyonder the one who said that our universe was like a drop of water compared to him(an ocean)...much more impressive then thing looking like orbs

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
Galactus has been said to be nigh omnipotent in comics like 5 times....
hyperbole maybe, but LT is virtually omnipotent. He is so powerful that he makes 2 beings and appoints them as guardians of mega-verses.
PR MM was even beyond him. LT was powerless against Beyonder however MM gave him a fight.

I don't know how powerful PM was but I know that the one from Beyond was atleast equal to supreme beings.
Was that retconned? Wasn't LT puny at that time?
LT isn't Omnipotent!!!

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And the Cosmic Armor protected its multiverse from a being that the Spectre was utterly powerless against. A being that would have eaten the multiverse otherwise.
Back then Multi-verse WAS omniverse.
Mandrakk Vs. LT thread, go to it.

bbrem123
neither is the presence then

xJLxKing
Originally posted by bbrem123
LT is said to be...but by what you say he isnt

MM fought beyonder the one who said that our universe was like a drop of water compared to him(an ocean)...much more impressive then thing looking like orbs
You act as if MM won, and you know Beyonder was limiting himself

bbrem123
true but it wasnt like he didnt try...compared to all the other abstracts he was atleast some sort of threat

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Okay, fair enough.

Mandrakk is a cosmic vampire that feed on the bleed. The bleed was discovered by Mandrakk was he was still "good". However, when he was exposed to it, he realized he was a vampire, that he feeds on it, that he gets stronger the more he feeds on it. To stop what he is going to become, he makes CA, and seals himself. The bleed as stated a couple of times in FC is the essence, or life of DCU(not just Multiverse, or anything smaller, but entire DCU). Mandrakk eats this for breakfest. As we know, what is part of DCU? Presence? Mxy? Spectre? and soo many others. This is why he has "eternal power". In addition, he is a monitor. A single monitor can FREEZE entire universes, tank universal attacks as if it is nothing. Because he is a monitor, he can also hold the Bleed, and what is the bleed? That's right!
That female monitor and Superman explained why Mandrakk HAD to lose

His simply Nano Technology(which is soo small to them) is bigger then entire cities to us. Imagine how big a their finger is to them? Superman explained and states it as simply as he can, when Mandrakk emerged, the jar of creation(that how small it is) shattered

thats what I said.
He was feeding upon all reality.
Hes Nano tech was bigger than cities? not much of a deal really for beings in MM's league.
POST RETCON BEYONDER AND POST RETCON MM's BATTLE WAS WRECKING THE OMNIVERSE. POST
Yes monitors are each more powerful than abstracts for sure and so was MM. If MM wanted he could destroy the multi-verse and the LT with a thought. LT wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing about it.

What Mandrakk was doing so many other beings can do...
AM destroyed an "infinite" amount of universes(u said it urself).
Galactus was feeding on all reality with minor tampering.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
thats what I said.
He was feeding upon all reality.
Hes Nano tech was bigger than cities? not much of a deal really for beings in MM's league.
POST RETCON BEYONDER AND POST RETCON MM's BATTLE WAS WRECKING THE OMNIVERSE. POST
Yes monitors are each more powerful than abstracts for sure and so was MM. If MM wanted he could destroy the multi-verse and the LT with a thought. LT wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing about it.

What Mandrakk was doing so many other beings can do...
AM destroyed an "infinite" amount of universes(u said it urself).
Galactus was feeding on all reality with minor tampering.
You give MM waaaayyyy too much credit.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You give MM waaaayyyy too much credit.
Hes done all of those feats.
you give Mandrakk too much credit(and CA supes I must add).

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
Hes done all of those feats.
you give Mandrakk too much credit(and CA supes I must add).
Mandrakk wasn't just feeding on 52 Universes, he was feeding on everything in the DCU including the AM universe, the Fifth Dimension, Nekron's realm and probably even Vertigo. He was a meta-textual being and the only thing that could stop him was CA Supes. Not the Spectre, not a pissed off Mxy, not Michael or Lucifer, not even the Presence. The first Mandrakk (Dax Novu) was beyond MM. Beyonder may have had a chance since Beyonder's shtick was being more powerful than anything but MM has never impressed me to that level.

AlmightyKfish
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mandrakk wasn't just feeding on 52 Universes, he was feeding on everything in the DCU including the AM universe, the Fifth Dimension, Nekron's realm and probably even Vertigo. He was a meta-textual being and the only thing that could stop him was CA Supes. Not the Spectre, not a pissed off Mxy, not Michael or Lucifer, not even the Presence. The first Mandrakk (Dax Novu) was beyond MM. Beyonder may have had a chance since Beyonder's shtick was being more powerful than anything but MM has never impressed me to that level.

I'd point out Michael and Lucifer aren't technically part of main DC continuity anymore, so we can't judge whether or not they would have taken down Mandrakk...

quanchi112
Originally posted by Galan007
that's like asking me what marvel means when they say "infinite multiverse" none..



in short: "eternal power" = "infinite power". The point is eternal power didn't show anything combat wise to suggest taking on someone like the preretcon MM.

The power gem has infinite power as well but I am not going to argue that a pg user can take on a pre retcon MM.Originally posted by xJLxKing
Galan don't bother. They haven't read FCmessedB 1&2
If they did, they would understand what the bleed is, what Mandrakk's smallest machine is capable, they would understand what happened when Quantom Adam tried talking with Mandrakk. They would understand what Mandrakk was eating. They would understand what the monitors can hold, what they are capable of, and what Mandrakk did to them. Though, they don't What does that have to do with your statement that Mandrakk can defeat the Presence?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
thats what I said.
He was feeding upon all reality.
Hes Nano tech was bigger than cities? not much of a deal really for beings in MM's league.
POST RETCON BEYONDER AND POST RETCON MM's BATTLE WAS WRECKING THE OMNIVERSE. POST
Yes monitors are each more powerful than abstracts for sure and so was MM. If MM wanted he could destroy the multi-verse and the LT with a thought. LT wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing about it.

What Mandrakk was doing so many other beings can do...
AM destroyed an "infinite" amount of universes(u said it urself).
Galactus was feeding on all reality with minor tampering.
LFMAO, no just no.

Anti Monitor destroyed 1 universe, or a couple at a time. Impressive, but not to Mandrakk.
Galactus feeds on Planets and if he was to be at full power he must feed on eternity, but that one universe and that does not mean he =eternity after he consumes it
MM and Beyonder were destroying the omniverse in a fight, but that means nothing. mandrakk destroyed Reality just by being there. He had DCU Destroyed had it not been for Superman.
You don't understand, that Nano Techonology to Mandrakk is capable to destroying, or eating the universe(something like Galactus). This is how small http://inbt.jhu.edu/documents/inbt-question-and-answers.pdf it is.

Now imagine how big Mandrakk is.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mandrakk wasn't just feeding on 52 Universes, he was feeding on everything in the DCU including the AM universe, the Fifth Dimension, Nekron's realm and probably even Vertigo. He was a meta-textual being and the only thing that could stop him was CA Supes. Not the Spectre, not a pissed off Mxy, not Michael or Lucifer, not even the Presence. The first Mandrakk (Dax Novu) was beyond MM. Beyonder may have had a chance since Beyonder's shtick was being more powerful than anything but MM has never impressed me to that level.
Again you definately know more about the DCU than me. But how is it that the supreme being couldn't stop Mandrakk?? It was never stated that Presence was powerless against him. Mandrakk was only a small part of the PM, who you even said MIGHT be more powerful than the Presence. MIGHT. Yet ur saying that Mandrakk was definately more powerful than the Presence.
As I've said, there was nothing Mandrakk did that other characters all much weaker than MM or even LT could have done/already did.

GEB/Presence>LT>Nekron's universe(unless him being a peer to the supreme beings is true)/5th dimension/52 universes/AM universe.
the 5d imps other than Mxy aren't shit to LT. not even Mxy is actually.

Beyonder was the definition of omnipotent in comics back then.
MM was able to go toe-to-toe with him

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
Again you definately know more about the DCU than me. But how is it that the supreme being couldn't stop Mandrakk?? It was never stated that Presence was powerless against him. Mandrakk was only a small part of the PM, who you even said MIGHT be more powerful than the Presence. MIGHT. Yet ur saying that Mandrakk was definately more powerful than the Presence.
As I've said, there was nothing Mandrakk did that other characters all much weaker than MM or even LT could have done/already did.

LT>Nekron/5th dimension/52 universes/AM universe.
the 5d imps other than Mxy aren't shit to LT. not even Mxy is actually.

Beyonder was the definition of omnipotent in comics back then.
MM was able to go toe-to-toe with him
NO!

PM>Presence. PM didn't created DCU, he just noticed it. Who is in DCU?? Presence!!
Who was eating DCU??? Mandrakk? Who was in DCU? Presence, or all of the above that Vision said. Why do you think Mandrakk said Eternal power for!!!?

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
NO!

PM>Presence. PM didn't created DCU, he just noticed it. Who is in DCU?? Presence!!
Who was eating DCU??? Mandrakk? Who was in DCU? Presence, or all of the above that Vision said. Why do you think Mandrakk said Eternal power for!!!?
so what ur saying is that Mandrakk is superior to Presence?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
so what ur saying is that Mandrakk is superior to Presence?
The way it was interpreted, yes
Remember, his very presence destroyed realities, he holds the bleed, he can stop time in all universes as easy, his inferiors tanks universal attacks, yet he kills them with a finger

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
so what ur saying is that Mandrakk is superior to Presence?
Here's the rough hierarchy: Writers>Meta characters/joke characters>Omnipotents>Everything else.
Mandrakk was a meta-character who had only one superior and that was CA Superman.

xJLxKing
He was part of a story, Superman stated it. He was in a story that was trying to kill him, but the "motif", or whatever you want to call it prevent that.

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
The way it was interpreted, yes

AM was doing the same thing to Presence's reality.
Presence didn't interfere back then did he? if he did the story would be shit as he would easily get rid of him.
same goes for Mandrakk though he was more powerful than AM.
same thing but on a larger scale. a mosquito can suck on your blood and it would annoy/harm you or even kill u if that mosquito is carrying a disease. Does that mean the mosquito is more powerful than u?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
AM was doing the same thing to Presence's reality.
Presence didn't interfere back then did he? if he did the story would be shit as he would easily get rid of him.
same goes for Mandrakk though he was more powerful than AM.
same thing but on a larger scale. a mosquito can suck on your blood and it would annoy/harm you or even kill u if that mosquito is carrying a disease. Does that mean the mosquito is more powerful than u?
The mosquito doesn't also suck out your organs, bones, skin, and brain so that's a terrible analogy.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here's the rough hierarchy: Writers>Meta characters/joke characters>Omnipotents>Everything else.
Mandrakk was a meta-character who had only one superior and that was CA Superman.

double post

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here's the rough hierarchy: Writers>Meta characters/joke characters>Omnipotents>Everything else.
Mandrakk was a meta-character who had only one superior and that was CA Superman.
Presence and PM are now weaker than joke characters such as Mxy now?

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mandrakk>Presence, there you go

False. That is pure speculation.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by xJLxKing
The way it was interpreted, yes
Remember, his very presence destroyed realities, he holds the bleed, he can stop time in all universes as easy, his inferiors tanks universal attacks, yet he kills them with a finger

You mean the way YOU interpreted it. There was nothing stated on panel in the arc nor by the writer ever saying such a thing. Stop acting as though this is a fact. Until proven or stated. The Presence at the very least = PM and > Than Mandrakk.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False. That is pure speculation.
So is MM>LT seeing as they never actually fought each other to compare power.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So is MM>LT seeing as they never actually fought each other to compare power.

Huge difference here... The LT asks for MM help.. the Presence never asked for CA help against Mandrakk and was never even mentioned in the story. Horrible comparison. People saying that either PM or Mandrakk are above the Presence are doing nothing but speculating. Period.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You mean the way YOU interpreted it. There was nothing stated on panel in the arc nor by the writer ever saying such a thing. Stop acting as though this is a fact. Until proven or stated. The Presence at the very least = PM and > Than Mandrakk.
No
Like I stated numerous times, there are statements that support both argument

xJLxKing
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huge difference here... The LT asks for MM help.. the Presence never asked for CA help against Mandrakk and was never even mentioned in the story. Horrible comparison. People saying that either PM or Mandrakk are above the Presence are doing nothing but speculating. Period.
LFMAO now you say that Presence>PM laughing out loud

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
LFMAO now you say that Presence>PM laughing out loud How isn't the Presence greater than Pm?

Prep-Man
PM > Presence.

galactusischere
Presence=PM would sound more likely.
then again I don't know much about DC.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Prep-Man
PM > Presence. So I guess the presence isn't supreme according to you.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
Presence=PM would sound more likely.
then again I don't know much about DC.
PM didn't create the DCU, he only noticed it.

Presence could have created it, according to Spectre, Vertigo, and a few more
Or Superman could have as stated by Mxy, Alexander Luthor, and Superman re-creating Multiverse in FC
OR Source wall

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
PM didn't create the DCU, he only noticed it.

Presence could have created it, according to Spectre, Vertigo, and a few more

Same with Beyonder then.
He noticed the MU after TOAA and LT created it.

bbrem123
then the presence is not supreme power then...thats all i see from what they are arguing

galactusischere
Originally posted by bbrem123
then the presence is not supreme power then...thats all i see from what they are arguing
They're saying that the Presence created the DCU but Primal Monitor only sent a probe to DCU to learn of its existence. but they are saying that PM>Presence

DC is alot more confusing than marvel.
there's Great Evil Beast, the Presence, Primal Monitor and now Nekron who are all TOAA/Beyonder level.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
They're saying that the Presence created the DCU but Primal Monitor only sent a probe to DCU to learn of its existence. but they are saying that PM>Presence

DC is alot more confusing than marvel.
there's Great Evil Beast, the Presence, Primal Monitor and now Nekron who are all TOAA/Beyonder level.
Because the PM is outside of the DCU at large.
The PM is a proxy for we the readers. We outrank the Presence wouldn't you agree?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
Same with Beyonder then.
He noticed the MU after TOAA and LT created it.
1-TOAA=the author to me
Presence=/=Author
Beyonder is like Mandrakk, not from Marvel, from somewhere else.

bbrem123
so you say Mandrakk=beyonder
PM=TOAA
Presence=?

galactusischere
Originally posted by bbrem123
so you say Mandrakk=beyonder
PM=TOAA
Presence=?
He doesn't mean it in power(Beyonder and Mandrakk part)

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
They're saying that the Presence created the DCU but Primal Monitor only sent a probe to DCU to learn of its existence. but they are saying that PM>Presence

DC is alot more confusing than marvel.
there's Great Evil Beast, the Presence, Primal Monitor and now Nekron who are all TOAA/Beyonder level.
Great Evil Beast is the Presence, but it's other side. 2 sides of 1 coin. A head and a tail.

Nekron seems weak. Despite all the hype, he has shown anything to say he is strong.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by bbrem123
so you say Mandrakk=beyonder
PM=TOAA
Presence=?
Idk

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Idk

Would u put LT below or above Mandrakk in a hierarchy list?
what about Mandrakk and Beyonder?

shokosugi
Originally posted by galactusischere
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comes from the person who says Nighcrawler can beat WWH and LT is more powerful than the Beyonder...


laughing

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
Would u put LT below or above Mandrakk in a hierarchy list?
what about Mandrakk and Beyonder?
If I had to choose, I'd go with Mandrakk. If in fact he was feeding of DCU, his power is above Lt and should be compared to that of PR Beyonder

shokosugi
Mandrakk >> PR Beyonder

bbrem123
hmmm...but u think PM is stronger then Mandrakk?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by bbrem123
hmmm...but u think PM is stronger then Mandrakk?
Yes. Mandrakk was his probe. When Mandrakk was knocked off the cliff the PM absorbed him. He also later absorbed all the monitors save Nix Uotan in one move.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes. Mandrakk was his probe. When Mandrakk was knocked off the cliff the PM absorbed him. He also later absorbed all the monitors save Nix Uotan in one move.

Question: since AM is my fave DC character other, than PM and Mandrakk, was there any other monitor more powerful than him? such as the original monitor(was he more powerful im not sure)?

bbrem123
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes. Mandrakk was his probe. When Mandrakk was knocked off the cliff the PM absorbed him. He also later absorbed all the monitors save Nix Uotan in one move.

no im just trying to see where he is coming from...cuz now all i see is Mandrakk=Beyonder and PM is above that obviously

so basically i dont agree at all....PM is not above Beyonder

if anything i would say PM=Beyonder

galactusischere
Originally posted by bbrem123
no im just trying to see where he is coming from...cuz now all i see is Mandrakk=Beyonder and PM is above that obviously

so basically i dont agree at all....PM is not above Beyonder
Me neither.
Supreme beings at the very best can hope to stalemate him.

Omega Vision
As I said before the PM is the reader. The reader beats a Supreme Being. I can kick the TOAA's ass by tearing apart a comic he appears in (if he has appeared).

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
As I said before the PM is the reader. The reader beats a Supreme Being. I can kick the TOAA's ass by tearing apart a comic he appears in (if he has appeared).
TOAA is Stan lee.
you can't kick hes ass by tearing the comic.
we have no say in what the writer does in a story. not individually atleast

bbrem123
yea the reader is below the writer...we have no say in what happens in the comics they do

shokosugi
Steve Jobs (largest stock holder of Disney) >> Marvel >> Editor >> Writer >> You >> PR Beyonder

xJLxKing
PM created one and only one probe. This probe was Mandrakk. Anti-Monitor is the effect from Krona looking at the creation of the universe. This created a good, and bad Monitor. That's how I see it.

Mandrakk>Any monitor

TOAA was shown in the comic to Spiderman

PM is the void, but it is limitless, and endless. It has a life too. Inside the PM there is a germ. This germ is DCU(Presence, and everything else)

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
TOAA is Stan lee.
you can't kick hes ass by tearing the comic.
we have no say in what the writer does in a story. not individually atleast
I could kick Stan Lee's ass.

galactusischere
Originally posted by xJLxKing
PM created one and only one probe. This probe was Mandrakk. Anti-Monitor is the effect from Krona looking at the creation of the universe. This created a good, and bad Monitor. That's how I see it.

Mandrakk>Any monitor

TOAA was shown in the comic to Spiderman

PM is the void, but it is limitless, and endless. It has a life too. Inside the PM there is a germ. This germ is DCU(Presence, and everything else)

yea I remember that. TOAA appeared to spidey as a hobo when aunt May was sick.
You said that Presence was like a germ to the PM, was this shown in comics or stated by the writer or is that speculation?
P.S. Oblivion is void too..

xJLxKing
Originally posted by galactusischere
yea I remember that. TOAA appeared to spidey as a hobo when aunt May was sick.
You said that Presence was like a germ to the PM, was this shown in comics or stated by the writer or is that speculation?
P.S. Oblivion is void too..
Stated, but in a few pages though

galactusischere
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I could kick Stan Lee's ass.
hes an old man..of course u can.
Though I said u can't kick hes ass by tearing a comic.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by galactusischere
hes an old man..of course u can.
Though I said u can't kick hes ass by tearing a comic.
How do you know? Maybe he has jedi senses and the shock of his comic being torn up gives him a heart attack.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
1-TOAA=the author to me
Presence=/=Author
Beyonder is like Mandrakk, not from Marvel, from somewhere else. The presence is everything that makes up the dcu. It isn't the author.Originally posted by xJLxKing
If I had to choose, I'd go with Mandrakk. If in fact he was feeding of DCU, his power is above Lt and should be compared to that of PR Beyonder Did you ever read secret wars 2?Originally posted by shokosugi
Mandrakk >> PR Beyonder Based on what? Eternal power?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
The presence is everything that makes up the dcu. It isn't the author.
Do you have a read problem?
I clearly said

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Do you have a read problem?
I clearly said It's do you have a reading problem. Most of your posts consist of misspellings and huge grammatical errors sentence wise. I used to be the same way when I first started out, but I tried to clean up my posts. You should do the same.

How can Mandrakk be above the Presence?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's do you have a reading problem. Most of your posts consist of misspellings and huge grammatical errors sentence wise. I used to be the same way when I first started out, but I tried to clean up my posts. You should do the same.

How can Mandrakk be above the Presence?
It's a small typo, I am using an Iphone, and am at work.
It's funny how you avoid the question.
Do you have a reading problem?
Good job at changing the subject.

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
It's a small typo, I am using an Iphone, and am at work.
It's funny how you avoid the question.
Do you have a reading problem?
Good job at changing the subject. I want an answer. You avoid me when I ask you in other threads and selectively respond. Man up.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
I want an answer. You avoid me when I ask you in other threads and selectively respond. Man up.
Is this the part where to change the subject to help yourself?

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Is this the part where to change the subject to help yourself? So you only answer certain questions and run from others. That's all you had to say.

xJLxKing
I think you just proved my point. Now away you go TROLL

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Maybe it would help if both sides would state why Supes/MM would win. That's the problem with these high end threads like these.

bbrem123
what i see from this is pre-retcon beyonder=PM

Mandrakk is similar in a way to pre-retcon MM...so i could see supes contenting with MM

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I think you just proved my point. Now away you go TROLL Get back to work kid. Keep only responding selectively and responding selectively.

Endless Mike
CA Supes

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