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The following people are recruited by different agencies to take out a high profile traget:

Agent 47 (Hitman)
Leon (The Professional)
John Lee (The Replacement Killers)
Robert Rath (Stallone in "Assassins"
Miguel Bain (Banderas in "Assassins"
Bob Lee Swagger (Shooter)
James Bond (Quantum of Solace version)
Snake Plissken
Martin Riggs
Anton Chugurh

They are free to use any means necessary (sniping, stealth, bombing, etc

Who has the best chance of completing their assignment? To make things interesting, the main bodyguard for the target is Frank Farmer (The Bodyguard), and he has the entire Secret Service at his disposal.

Feel free to add any assassins/combatants you think will make the thread more entertaining.

According to Leon anybody who uses a rifle is an amateur... that takes care of most of the list. Leon is the best out of that list and comes from the best movie out of that list.

Leon's word is not law. And Lee is every bit as uber as Leon.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Leon's word is not law. And Lee is every bit as uber as Leon.

I'll take his word over anybody else on that list. Lee is 2nd for me.

Leon got pwned by a pill popping crazy cop. Lee took on the Chinese mafia, pwned, and went home.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Leon's word is not law. And Lee is every bit as uber as Leon.

Hahaaha, no. Only with a sniper, dude. Leon would rock him, otherwise. NVM, thought you ment Bob Lee.

The Ninja Assassian guy is pretty ****ing decent. He can disappear into shadows and can heal himself by clenching his butt-cheeks.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahaaha, no. Only with a sniper, dude. Leon would rock him, otherwise.

The Ninja Assassian guy is pretty ****ing decent. He can disappear into shadows and can heal himself by clenching his butt-cheeks. Lee had better screen feats, dude, by far. He took on the entire Chinese mafia and trained killers. Remember the shootout at the car wash? The shootout in the movie theater? The end?

Yes, Leon had the scene with all the cops at the end, but they were just cops, nothing more.

What about the other guys? Bond? Swagger? No one?

And yeah, Leon would make Bob Lee his *****. UNLESS Bob Lee has a sniper rifle.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lee had better screen feats, dude, by far. He took on the entire Chinese mafia and trained killers. Remember the shootout at the car wash? The shootout in the movie theater? The end?

Yes, Leon had the scene with all the cops at the end, but they were just cops, nothing more.

Cops= SWAT since when?

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahaaha, no. Only with a sniper, dude. Leon would rock him, otherwise. NVM, thought you ment Bob Lee.

The Ninja Assassian guy is pretty ****ing decent. He can disappear into shadows and can heal himself by clenching his butt-cheeks.


you mean raizo?

Originally posted by Blinky
Cops= SWAT since when?

Highly trained assassins trump SWAT cops all day, every day.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Highly trained assassins trump SWAT cops all day, every day.

Multiple grenades trump highly trained assassins all day, every day.

Originally posted by Blinky
Multiple grenades trump highly trained assassins all day, every day. Multiple? It was one grenade fired from a rifle, dude. Wait, wasnt it?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Multiple? It was one grenade fired from a rifle, dude. Wait, wasnt it?

I was refering to Leon having a shit ton of grenades on him at all times.

Originally posted by Blinky
I was refering to Leon having a shit ton of grenades on him at all times. Exactly. Lee didn't need all that shit, he got the job done using pistols and his wits.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly. Lee didn't need all that shit, he got the job done using pistols and his wits.

Lee didn't have any of that shit -- forget needing it. Lee was gonna snipe a little kid... what a PVSSY.

Originally posted by Blinky
Lee didn't have any of that shit -- forget needing it. Lee was gonna snipe a little kid... what a PVSSY. But he didn't, did he?

Lets forget about Leon and Lee for a minute. What about the rest?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But he didn't, did he?

Lets forget about Leon and Lee for a minute. What about the rest?

F*ck the rest.

Point is -- he was going to kill (he didn't, I know) a little kid by sniping the kid (of all methods).

Originally posted by Blinky
F*ck the rest.

Point is -- he was going to kill (he didn't, I know) a little kid by sniping the kid (of all methods). Did you totally forget the plot of the movie? he was following orders, dude, they had his family. The mafia boss ORDERED him to do it that way.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did you totally forget the plot of the movie? he was following orders, dude, they had his family. The mafia boss ORDERED him to do it that way.

The boss specifically stated he wanted him sniped?! When? I know he said he wanted the kid to die in his fathers arms, but there are more than one way to skin that cat.

Originally posted by Blinky
The boss specifically stated he wanted him sniped?! When? I know he said he wanted the kid to die in his fathers arms, but there are more than one way to skin that cat.


This is silly, did he do it? No. He risked the lives of his mom and sister to save a little boy he knew nothing of, THAT'S noble.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is silly, did he do it? No. He risked the lives of his mom and sister to save a little boy he knew nothing of, THAT'S noble.

Nevermind. You don't get what I am saying... f*ck it.

47

Originally posted by Blinky
Nevermind. You don't get what I am saying... f*ck it. No, I get what you are saying. Bottom line is he didnt do it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I get what you are saying. Bottom line is he didnt do it.

No, you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have said that ^.

Originally posted by Placidity
47

I'd say so too, overall.

He's definitely good enough to beat the piss out of Bob Lee Swagger, in all fields, especially sniping.

Originally posted by Blinky
No, you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have said that ^. I seem to recall Leon with his silenced pistol at Matilda's head, wanting to kill her.


Booooooooonng.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I seem to recall Leon with his silenced pistol at Matilda's head, wanting to kill her.


Booooooooonng.

That proves you didn't understand my point, without a doubt.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd say so too, overall.

He's definitely good enough to beat the piss out of Bob Lee Swagger, in all fields, especially sniping. You guys counting out Bond? Rath?

Originally posted by Blinky
That proves you didn't understand my point, without a doubt. This is the part where you spell it out. IF you have one.

IMO it comes down to Bond or 47. Both are uber in their own right, and they have access to resources the others do not.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is the part where you spell it out. IF you have one.

I said "F*ck it", and I meant it.

I'd say with the Secret Service behind him Farmer has a fair shot at stopping any of these guys.

As far as the assassins go. I'd place bets on Leon. Not only did he have serious stealth skills, but was as far as I remember the most well rounded in terms weapons skill and arsenal.

Originally posted by Blinky
I said "F*ck it", and I meant it.

Just saying, dude:

Highly trained killer with a boy in his sights...
Highly trained killer with his gun at a little girls head....


Whats the difference? They both didnt do it, they both showed nobility.

I would say James Bond. But there is Snake in the list...

Originally posted by Riot-Gear

As far as the assassins go. I'd place bets on Leon. Not only did he have serious stealth skills, but was as far as I remember the most well rounded in terms weapons skill and arsenal.

True^

How can you NOT pick James ****IN' Bond as the first choice?!

He'll enter this contest and enter in "RAMPAGE Slamboree" mode.

Is he a assassin

james bond isnt even a good spy much less an assassin.

Should add El mariachi

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
james bond isnt even a good spy much less an assassin.

James Bond is just plainly too much bad ass to be a good spy. He would tap dance on the skull of must of this list. He's a specialist of deception, and a world class Secret Agent.

You don't top that.

...


And a good thing it's not Moore's James Bond. It would have been a spite.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Are you just going to wank Altair all day? He's not the best assassin, get over it.

I say he'll prolly wank all day-- then top it off with a money-shot.

It'll end prematurely

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No theatrical release?

Even if he did he still wouldn't be the best especially with the time difference. Darth just likes fellating the character, you can tell because he always says his whole name.

Um...I am pretty sure it has to be a theatrical release to be approved in the MVF.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Um...I am pretty sure it has to be a theatrical release to be approved in the MVF.

Theatrical release... is it in the rules section?

I dunno. I guess we can allow him. But what good would he do here, against men with guns?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dunno. I guess we can allow him. But what good would he do here, against men with guns?

As Wei said, he's all but useless here. Just that other cat is silly fanboy since Assassin's Creed 2 came out recently and he heard it's the 'new thing.'

47 or Bond. Ideally, Swagger plans it and 47 executes.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
47 or Bond. Ideally, Swagger plans it and 47 executes.

Where do you get this notion that Swagger is some master planner? Especially plotting an assassination?

He did it in Shooter. He scouted the three cities and planned it, remember?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He did it in Shooter. He scouted the three cities and planned it, remember?

He planned taking out a target via a sniper, because that's what he is, a sniper.

47 is a better assassin and sniper, as the target he planned and took out via sniper-fire was on planned on a shorter time-table and he made the shot from a distance WAY beyond Swagger's formidable capabilities.

Originally posted by Robtard
He planned taking out a target via a sniper, because that's what he is, a sniper.

47 is a better assassin and sniper, as the target he planned and took out via sniper-fire was on planned on a shorter time-table and he made the shot from a distance WAY beyond Swagger's formidable capabilities. Just saying, the two of them together, 47 shooting, Swagger spotting, pretty formidable team there.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just saying, the two of them together, 47 shooting, Swagger spotting, pretty formidable team there.

Probably. Swagger might slow him down, as he's more on the realistic level, while 47 is fantasy.

Hold on a second.....47 planned and executed his sniping feat over in Russia, one of thos "Ikstan" countries, didnt he? Swagger planned a hit on the President of the United States. Surely the latter is FAR more difficult to plan.

And lets not get started on 47 versus Swagger again. 47 lined up his crosshairs on the target and squeezed the trigger, thats all. He knew the distance, calculated for windage, and adjusted his scope accordingly. Swagger can do these things just as easily.

47 made a shot head-shot that was about 4km away, iirc. That is well beyond Swagger (or any normal human). In fact, it's beyond the realm of reality. Fantasy, you know.

Rob, think about it....

Lets say you are standing there with 47 as he prepares for the shot. He adjusts the rifle so that all he needs to do is center the crosshairs on the head of his target and squeeze the trigger. At the last second he looks at you, hands you the rifle, and order you to take the shot.

You take the weapon. All you need to do is center the crosshairs on the target and squeeze the trigger. Can you make the shot?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rob, think about it....

Lets say you are standing there with 47 as he prepares for the shot. He adjusts the rifle so that all he needs to do is center the crosshairs on the head of his target and squeeze the trigger. At the last second he looks at you, hands you the rifle, and order you to take the shot.

You take the weapon. All you need to do is center the crosshairs on the target and squeeze the trigger. Can you make the shot?

No he can't. Don't bring up your silly arguments again plox.

Explain why he can't. Explain why if all he needs to do is center the crosshairs and squeeze the trigger he can't. The calculations are done, the rifle is adjusted, the hard part is done, all he needs to do is point and shoot.

Oh could you please get over the fact that Agent 47 delivered a shoot more impressive then Swagger? Jaden101 already showed in the Agent 47 vs Bob Lee Swagger, that Swaggers scope on his rifle could also do all the calculations he needed, he just needed to adjust the Crosshairs, according to the clip from youtube. You are also forgetting that 47 had already shoot a bodyguard already to make room for a shoot on Belikov, which means that all the calculations adjustments would already have been done. We didn't see them on screen and so what? Does that take anything away? Nope. Also could anyone given a rifle even with the crossair adjusted etc, make a shoot at four kilometers? When looking at the small difference you get when firing a rifle, and maybe you breath is a little wrong, even when the crossair appears to be the same place you doesn't hit the same spot. Performing a shoot over 4 kilometers ore 1,5 for that matter requires skill no matter if the Rifle is already ready for you.

Anyways enough offtopic, which Target is it? A chairman of a large corporation or the President?

Mmmmmm......I dunno haermm...Lets say, for now, the President.

jason bourne.

'nuff said.

What about Ultraviolet

Oh yeah, she aint uber

Originally posted by Robtard
47 made a shot head-shot that was about 4km away, iirc. That is well beyond Swagger (or any normal human). In fact, it's beyond the realm of reality. Fantasy, you know.

This is FACT.


The gun he was using couldn't have made that shot. Fact.

Even if he was using one of the newer "super" distance guns, he'd still need a spotter with one of those devices that account for ...well...EVERYTHING including the curvature of the Earth.

THEN!

He'll need special sniping BULLETS to even be usable for that distance.

In otherwords, it was PIS that he even made that shot. It is literally impossible. It is not even "super-human"...it's quite simply and literally impossible. Chalk it up to stupid writing.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is FACT.


The gun he was using couldn't have made that shot. Fact.

Even if he was using one of the newer "super" distance guns, he'd still need a spotter with one of those devices that account for ...well...EVERYTHING including the curvature of the Earth.

THEN!

He'll need special sniping BULLETS to even be usable for that distance.

In otherwords, it was PIS tha he even made that shot. It is literally impossible. It is not even "super-human"...it's quite simply and literally impossible. Chalk it up to stupid writing. He wouldn't necessarily need a spotter, remember when Swagger was telling Glover about those yellow ribbons tied on the trees being used for windage? And if he is as smart as Swagger, he can do the rest "on the fly", as Swagger stated.

Agreed on the rest though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He wouldn't necessarily need a spotter, remember when Swagger was telling Glover about those yellow ribbons tied on the trees being used for windage? And if he is as smart as Swagger, he can do the rest "on the fly", as Swagger stated.

Agreed on the rest though.

No. That's stupid Hollywood writing. In the real world, a sniper is a team of at least two people...at least the super-awesome ones these days.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No. That's stupid Hollywood writing. In the real world, a sniper is a team of at least two people...at least the super-awesome ones these days. Um....Swagger coulda made the shot that killed the Nigerian Archbishop. And you gotta remember that Swagger went uber when Donnie was killed. IMO, one uber trained man pwns two well trained men.

Donnie's wife was hot though, HUGE nipples on her bewbz.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Um....Swagger coulda made the shot that killed the Nigerian Archbishop. And you gotta remember that Swagger went uber when Donnie was killed. IMO, one uber trained man pwns two well trained men.

Donnie's wife was hot though, HUGE nipples on her bewbz.

You gotta separate fiction from reality. Not tht the feats become void, it's just that making a snipe at 4 kms out without a spotter, with a gun that literally could not make that shot, with bullets that cannot travel that far, was my point.


Also, what are you talking about? I don't remember n|pz.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You gotta separate fiction from reality. Not tht the feats become void, it's just that making a snipe at 4 kms out without a spotter, with a gun that literally could not make that shot, with bullets that cannot travel that far, was my point.


Also, what are you talking about? I don't remember n|pz.

Logic dictates that it was all rifle then. The fact that all 47 did was center the crosshairs on the target and squeeze the trigger proves this. Seriously, I have asked this question umpteen times, how much skill does it take to center the crosshairs on someones head and squeeze the trigger? After all, Swagger actually led his targets and headshot them. But then again, he was shown doing the same calculations that 47 surely did to his rifle.


Her nips = droolio

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Logic dictates that it was all rifle then. The fact that all 47 did was center the crosshairs on the target and squeeze the trigger proves this. Seriously, I have asked this question umpteen times, how much skill does it take to center the crosshairs on someones head and squeeze the trigger? After all, Swagger actually led his targets and headshot them. But then again, he was shown doing the same calculations that 47 surely did to his rifle.

Well, did the film SHOW him just centering the crosshairs on the dude's head and then firing? If so, then you have a point. If not, then your point is baseless.


Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Her nips = droolio

Where? I don't know what you're talking about. I've only seen the movie once, though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, did the film SHOW him just centering the crosshairs on the dude's head and then firing? If so, then you have a point. If not, then your point is baseless.




Where? I don't know what you're talking about. I've only seen the movie once, though.


Yes, it literally showed 47 CENTERING the crosshairs on dudes head and firing. I can do that, you can do that, hell Forrest Gump can do that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, it literally showed 47 CENTERING the crosshairs on dudes head and firing. I can do that, you can do that, hell Forrest Gump can do that. Lulz


Well, if that's the case, Gump could probably do it better than we could. Gump is good with a gun.

Doesn't take much training to zero in a rifle, to become a good shot with a scoped rifle. My dad taught me at 15 and I was good at it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is FACT.


The gun he was using couldn't have made that shot. Fact.

Even if he was using one of the newer "super" distance guns, he'd still need a spotter with one of those devices that account for ...well...EVERYTHING including the curvature of the Earth.

THEN!

He'll need special sniping BULLETS to even be usable for that distance.

In otherwords, it was PIS that he even made that shot. It is literally impossible. It is not even "super-human"...it's quite simply and literally impossible. Chalk it up to stupid writing.

Good thing we don't dismiss screen feats because they're illogical, as it would kill most threads in here. Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, Neo, Optimus Prime, Riddick etc. X infinity

Point still stands, 47 is a WAY better sniper than Swagger. Screen feats, you know. RJ won't accept this, Swagger is in his ring of tossing.

Hey Rob, how was 47 able to make that 4k shot having his crosshairs centered on dudes head?

Originally posted by Robtard
Good thing we don't dismiss screen feats because they're illogical, as it would kill most threads in here. Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, Neo, Optimus Prime, Riddick etc. X infinity

What's wrong with pointing out something that's literally and inexorably impossible?

Making a human have super hard skin, super large bones, super strong muscles through genetic engineering is hardly impossible. Neo gets his powers from a damn computer program only INSIDE the program. Wolverine gets his healing factor from a mutation in his genetics. Riddick is not even the same species as a human (if he is, he is a sub-species. Think something similar to dog breeds), but gets all of his strength, endurance, agility, vision, from his nice furyian genetics.

Superman's "abilities" crome from his kryptonian genetics and his cell's ability to collect and use sunlight...again genetics. 50 years from now, none of those characters or abilities are out of reach...and a few of them are being worked today (and they suspect that the 2008 Olympics had some gene dopers.)

However, we CAN debate/discredit B.S. things that happen in movies such as a sniper make a snipe at an impossible distance, with a gun that cannot even shoot that far, with a bullet not designed to go that far. It's called sh*tty/faulty writing. It happens.

We can also point out that Superman would have pushed arm sized holes right into the Jet he tried to stop as it was crashing. There's no way the nose would have been able tolerate Superman's tiny little hands slowing the plane down. These are just examples of stupid things that happen in movies that are impossible.


Originally posted by Robtard
Point still stands, 47 is a WAY better sniper than Swagger. Screen feats, you know. RJ won't accept this, Swagger is in his ring of tossing.

Actually, I don't see how that makes him a WAY better sniper. Sure, the feat can still stand. Just to satisfy me, we will pretend he made the shot with a gun that can do it (i'm not sure one exists. I think the best they've got is a 2 mile gun.) With a bullet capable of the flight (I think thye do have bullets that can travel that far.) So, I'm pretending to humor it...

Still doesn't mean he's a better sniper. The scope clearly shows the target. As RJ has pointed out, that means he's clearly adjusted proper, there's 0 wind, and 0 atmospheric density from the firing point all the way to the perps head. (Cause his sights were right on the target's head.) Just like RJ said, an average joe with decent experience could make the same shot, no problem.

Might as well argue that Swagger can fire heat from his eyes, like Superman did, by starring and concentrating.

47 made the shot, a shot that's impossible and would be impossible for Swagger who's limited by 'reality', since his abilities are governed by this (47 isn't, as his abilities are in the fantasy realm, as are many characters we debate). No amount of Swagger nob-licking will counter this.

47 is a better sniper than Swagger. /the end. 47 is better all around, as the movie clearly states he's an "expert in all forms of combat."

So stop being foolish and abide by the "screen feats" rule, both of you.

^ Hey DDM, what would this make your idol Ozymandias?

He is stated to have no super powers on-screen.

Yet you argued he could beat Spider-man?

Originally posted by Placidity
^ Hey DDM, what would this make your idol Ozymandias?

He is stated to have no super powers on-screen.

Yet you argued he could beat Spider-man? Hey Placidity, how was 47 able to make that 4k shot having his crosshairs centered on dudes head?

Originally posted by Robtard
Might as well argue that Swagger can fire heat from his eyes, like Superman did, by starring and concentrating.

47 made the shot, a shot that's impossible and would be impossible for Swagger who's limited by 'reality', since his abilities are governed by this (47 isn't, as his abilities are in the fantasy realm, as are many characters we debate). No amount of Swagger nob-licking will counter this.

47 is a better sniper than Swagger. /the end. 47 is better all around, as the movie clearly states he's an "expert in all forms of combat."

So stop being foolish and abide by the "screen feats" rule, both of you.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey Rob, how was 47 able to make that 4k shot having his crosshairs centered on dudes head?

Stop dodging, answer the question.

Originally posted by Placidity
^ Hey DDM, what would this make your idol Ozymandias?

He is stated to have no super powers on-screen.

Yet you argued he could beat Spider-man?

Again, sh*tty writing. He obviously had several superhuman feats with the main one of them obviously being his intellect. With the current set of genetics, no human on earth could catch a bullet (fired perfectly normal from a gun at less than what....10-20 feet?)



We can, however, say that in that Universe, humans exist with superpowers that are considered "normal." Still, I HATE having to make up stupid b.s. like that to accommodate crappy writing/feats.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey Placidity, how was 47 able to make that 4k shot having his crosshairs centered on dudes head?

It's called a movie. It was to show how skilled 47 was.

Remember: M-o-v-i-e

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Stop dodging, answer the question.

He made the impossible shot because he's a fictional character with impossible abilities, like many others in here. Swagger isn't one of these characters, he's realistic, basically.

Now stop breaking the "screen feats" rule, get Swagger's johnson out of your mouth and abide. There are rules here, yet you break them when one of your favourites is debated. Stop.

Originally posted by Robtard
Might as well argue that Swagger can fire heat from his eyes, like Superman did, by starring and concentrating.

Now, you know that that is just a rediculous strawman argument.

Originally posted by Robtard
47 made the shot, a shot that's impossible and would be impossible for Swagger who's limited by 'reality',



I love it.

Originally posted by Robtard
since his abilities are governed by this (47 isn't, as his abilities are in the fantasy realm, as are many characters we debate). No amount of Swagger nob-licking will counter this.

47 is a better sniper than Swagger. /the end. 47 is better all around, as the movie clearly states he's an "expert in all forms of combat."

So stop being foolish and abide by the "screen feats" rule, both of you.

Screen feat still stands. He made a shot by firing at someone lined up in his crosshairs. No denying that. That's an easy shot, for a novice. No denying that, either.


Originally posted by Placidity
It's called a movie. It was to show how skilled 47 was.

Remember: M-o-v-i-e

AHHHHHHH!


How DARE you!

Originally posted by Placidity
It's called a movie. It was to show how skilled 47 was.

Remember: M-o-v-i-e He used a rifle with a scope, which exist in real life, therefore real life logic must be applied.

Now. Why were the crosshairs centered on dudes forehead?

Its OK, you can go ahead and say it, we all know the answer.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Now, you know that that is just a rediculous strawman argument.



I love it.



Screen feat still stands. He made a shot by firing at someone lined up in his crosshairs. No denying that. That's an easy shot, for a novice. No denying that, either.


Don't pull the strawman argument, as that wasn't one. I never passed that off as your argument. It was a comparison to illustrate a point.

He made an impossible feat, because he has impossible in reality abilities. Swagger can't make these, going by the "screen feats" rule. I suggest you abide the rules.

Originally posted by Robtard
He made the impossible shot because he's a fictional character with impossible abilities, like many others in here. Swagger isn't one of these characters, he's realistic, basically.

Now stop breaking the "screen feats" rule, get Swagger's johnson out of your mouth and abide. There are rules here, yet you break them when one of your favourites is debated. Stop.

Bullshit. It's obvious you know shit about zeroing in a rifle.

The "screen feat" was not just him squeezing the trigger, man, it was everything that went into the shot. The scouting, the planning, 47 calibrating the scope so that all he had to do was center the crosshairs on dudes head and squeeze the trigger.

Or are you implying that 47 used a bullet that kept a straight trajectory for 4k? If so, what's so hard about sniping? Why cant anyone do it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't pull the strawman argument, as that wasn't one. I never passed that off as your argument. It was a comparison to illustrate a point.

Exactly. It was a strawman comparison. It is unrelated to what I said and it does not follow, logically.

Originally posted by Robtard
He made an impossible feat, because he has impossible in reality abilities. Swagger can't make these.

No, no, no, no. lol

It is not "impossible" abilities. It's "impossible" for the gun and ammunition to even do that. Even a superhuman (baring TK or other trajectory augmenting abilities) couldn't make that shot. It's literally impossible with the equipment he had.

Now, if you can prove he had TK or some othe superhuman ability that kept the bullet on path and at speed, I'll jump right on the 47 bandwagon (even if it doesn't exist yet).

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit. It's obvious you know shit about zeroing in a rifle.

The "screen feat" was not just him squeezing the trigger, man, it was everything that went into the shot. The scouting, the planning, 47 calibrating the scope so that all he had to do was center the crosshairs on dudes head and squeeze the trigger.

Or are you implying that 47 used a bullet that kept a straight trajectory for 4k? If so, what's so hard about sniping? Why cant anyone do it?

LoL. Again, reality doesn't apply here, as that shot was in the fantasy realm.

Exactly, 47 can do all these things on the "impossible and unrealistic" level, becuase he's this kind of fictional character.

Swagger can't, no amount of adoration or the character will change this. Abide by the screen feats rule.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. Again, reality doesn't apply here, as that shot was in the fantasy realm.

Exactly, 47 can do all these things on the "impossible and unrealistic" level, becuase he's this kind of fictional character.

Swagger can't, no amount of adoration or the character will change this. Abide by the screen feats rule. So, 47 centered his crosshairs on dudes head, then squeezed the trigger. This is the extent of the screen feat, because this is all we can SEE him doing. Right? THAT means you or I could have made the shot. Seriously, look through the scope, center the crosshairs, squeeze the trigger. How hard is that?


BTW:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Rifle-Scope


Educate yourself.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Exactly. It was a strawman comparison. It is unrelated to what I said and it does not follow, logically.



No, no, no, no. lol

It is not "impossible" abilities. It's "impossible" for the gun and ammunition to even do that. Even a superhuman (baring TK or other trajectory augmenting abilities) couldn't make that shot. It's literally impossible with the equipment he had.

Now, if you can prove he had TK or some othe superhuman ability that kept the bullet on path and at speed, I'll jump right on the 47 bandwagon (even if it doesn't exist yet).

"strawman comparison" now? LoL.

I don't have to prove anything, it's on screen; it's a screen feat. 47 made a shot with a sniper that Swagger couldn't make in RJ's wettest dream, ergo, 47 is a better sniper (and better all around, as I showed above with another screen feat).

All you're doing is ignoring the "screen feats" rule and it's bordering on trolling now. Abide the rules.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, 47 centered his crosshairs on dudes head, then squeezed the trigger. This is the extent of the screen feat, because this is all we can SEE him doing. Right? THAT means you or I could have made the shot. Seriously, look through the scope, center the crosshairs, squeeze the trigger. How hard is that?


BTW:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Rifle-Scope


Educate yourself.

All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, 47 centered his crosshairs on dudes head, then squeezed the trigger. This is the extent of the screen feat, because this is all we can SEE him doing. Right? THAT means you or I could have made the shot. Seriously, look through the scope, center the crosshairs, squeeze the trigger. How hard is that?


BTW:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Rifle-Scope


Educate yourself.

In the movie, it was seen as an impossible move too, by the reaction of the Interpol guy and the cops.

Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it. OK. 47 picked up a rifle, centered the crosshairs on a guys head, and made the shot. ANYONE can do that. I did it all the time when I was FIFTEEN. Hell, I hit a deer on the run at 300 yards once, how? I LED the target, adjusted accordingly, and BLAM, perfect lung shot.

BTW, Swagger was shown LEADING his targets, doooooooooooh. Swagger was shown fighting against THREE snipers, DOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!

See what I did there? I PWNED you.

Originally posted by Placidity
All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything.

Here's what happened.

47 aimed through the scope......he centered the crosshairs on dudes head.......he squeezed the trigger......he blew the guys head off.

NOW, if thats all it takes, then whats so hard about sniping?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK. 47 picked up a rifle, centered the crosshairs on a guys head, and made the shot. ANYONE can do that. I did it all the time when I was FIFTEEN. Hell, I hit a deer on the run at 300 yards once, how? I LED the target, adjusted accordingly, and BLAM, perfect lung shot.

BTW, Swagger was shown LEADING his targets, doooooooooooh. Swagger was shown fighting against THREE snipers, DOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!

See what I did there? I PWNED you.

Originally posted by Placidity
All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything.

You didn't pwn anything.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK. 47 picked up a rifle, centered the crosshairs on a guys head, and made the shot. ANYONE can do that. I did it all the time when I was FIFTEEN. Hell, I hit a deer on the run at 300 yards once, how? I LED the target, adjusted accordingly, and BLAM, perfect lung shot.

BTW, Swagger was shown LEADING his targets, doooooooooooh. Swagger was shown fighting against THREE snipers, DOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!

See what I did there? I PWNED you.

You're ignoring that in reality this shot would be impossible, ergo Swagger (who's a realistic fictional character) couldn't. What was his greatest shot in the film, just around a mile?

Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

No, you never "pwned", anyone. 47 made a 4km shot. Swagger can't.

Repeat: Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're ignoring that in reality this shot would be impossible, ergo Swagger (who's a realistic fictional character) couldn't. What was his greatest shot in the film, just around a mile?

Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

I am doing it.

47 picked up the gun, centered the crosshairs, squeezed the trigger.

End screen feat.

Originally posted by Placidity
You didn't pwn anything. Sure I didnt, Whats so hard about centering the crosshairs on a target and squeezing the trigger? Hmm?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am doing it.

47 picked up the gun, centered the crosshairs, squeezed the trigger.

End screen feat.

Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Just did.

47 picked up the rifle, centered the crosshairs, pulled the trigger.

End screen feat. this is all we see him doing. You denying this? What part am I missing? What part were we SHOWN that I am leaving out?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am doing it.

47 picked up the gun, centered the crosshairs, squeezed the trigger.

End screen feat.

Two things you keep ignoring:

1. No you wouldn't be able to do it because how sniping was done in the movie was inaccurate compared to in reality.

All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything.

2. Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just did.

47 picked up the rifle, centered the crosshairs, pulled the trigger.

End screen feat. this is all we see him doing. You denying this? What part am I missing? What part were we SHOWN that I am leaving out?

Already covered. It's an impossible feat, out of the realms of reality. You can't do it, neither can Swagger, he's limited to about a mile.

47 is also shown adjusting the gun, tuning it in.

Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Originally posted by Placidity
Two things you keep ignoring:

1. No you wouldn't be able to do it because how sniping was done in the movie was inaccurate compared to in reality.

All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything.

2. Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

haermm

Once again:



47 picked up the rifle, centered the crosshairs, pulled the trigger.

End screen feat. this is all we see him doing. You denying this? What part am I missing? What part were we SHOWN that I am leaving out?

Originally posted by Robtard
Already covered. It's an impossible feat, out of the realms of reality. You can't do it, neither can Swagger., he's limited to about a mile.

47 is also shown adjusting the gun, tuning it in.

Abide by the screen feats rule. You can do it.

I see, so it was all rifle, glad we agree there.

Was 47 ever shown leading his targets and headshooting them? Was he ever shown taking on 3 snipers and pwning them? Nope. Swagger was. Ergo he's the better sniper.

Why? Screen feats.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm

Once again:



47 picked up the rifle, centered the crosshairs, pulled the trigger.

End screen feat. this is all we see him doing. You denying this? What part am I missing? What part were we SHOWN that I am leaving out?


What the fck are you on about. When did I deny that? When did I say you are leaving stuff out.

I said "All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything."

Me and Robtard keep explaining why your "logic" is in error. You seem to think posting the same thing (not really explaining how it relates to what we've said) is some sort of reply.

My patience is running out quickly. I think I will avoid this thread now, I may check it in a few days because I'm a curious cat. Good luck staying sane Robtard.

RJ,

If 47's feat is all rifle, then so is Swagger's, so neither has skill. This is BS of course. 47 made a shot FAR greater and beyond Swagger's capabilities with a sniper, ergo, he's the better sniper. It's not hard.

I'm amazed at how easily you turn into a baiting assholish clown, when one of your favorites is on the block. Please stop and just abide the rules. You can do it. Believe me, Swagger doesn't care he's inferior here, he's fictional.

Originally posted by Placidity
What the fck are you on about. When did I deny that? When did I say you are leaving stuff out.

I said "All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything."

Me and Robtard keep explaining why your "logic" is in error. You seem to think posting the same thing (not really explaining how it relates to what we've said) is some sort of reply.

My patience is running out quickly. I think I will avoid this thread now, I may check it in a few days because I'm a curious cat. Good luck staying sane Robtard. Center the crosshairs, squeeze the trigger, hit the target. Rednecks do it every day, think about it.

Originally posted by Robtard
RJ,

If 47's feat is all rifle, then so is Swagger's, so neither has skill. This is BS of course. 47 made a shot FAR greater and beyond Swagger's capabilities with a sniper, ergo, he's the better sniper. It's not hard.

I'm amazed at how easily you turn into a baiting assholish clown, when one of your favorites is on the block. Please stop and just abide the rules. You can do it. Believe me, Swagger doesn't care he's inferior here, he's fictional.

Swagger has superior skill for two reasons:

1. He is shown leading his targets, making headshots.

2. He takes on three snipers in the end, pwning them.


The fact that 47 made a shot that Roscoe P. Coltrane could make (once the rifle was calibrated for the shot) proves shit. Bob Lee was shown doing more with a sniper rifle, he took out an attack chopper FFS. Make that three reasons.

Also, Swagger's knowledge of sniping is proven when he is explaining to Glover how the shot will go down. 47 was never shown to have this knowledge. All we see from 47 is:

1: 47 picks up a rifle.

2. 47 centers the crosshairs on the target.

3. 47 squeezes the trigger.



Superios screens feats Swagger.

-47 made the adjustments to make that shot possible, it was clearly his impossibly good skill.

-47 made a shot that would be impossible for Swagger, as his (Swagger's) limit is around one mile. This makes 47 the better sniper.

I realize that you willfully dismiss the rules because Imp is unlikely to give you an open warning in here, as he would others who break the rules as you continue do to so. Over and over again.

Abide the screen feats rule. You can do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
-47 made the adjustments to make that shot possible, it was clearly his impossibly good skill.

-47 made a shot that would be impossible for Swagger, as his (Swagger's) limit is around one mile. This makes 47 the better sniper.

I realize that you willfully dismiss the rules because Imp is unlikely to give you an open warning in here, as he would others who break the rules as you continue do to so. Over and over again.

Abide the screen feats rule. You can do it.

How did 47 make the shot? It was the rifle, dude. Swagger had no limit, his rifle did. Do the math, 47's shot was because he had a rifle that could shoot that far.

For the millionth time: 47 centered the crosshairs on dudes head and pulled the trigger. This is his one screen feat, and anyone could have done that.


No rules are being broken here.

Ignoring Swagger taking on three snipers and pwning, are ya? Ignoring him actually leading his targets, eh? Hmm? THESE are screen feats, bro, THESE screen feats proves Swagger the superior sniper.

Impediment is ex Army, dude, if anything he will see my logic and agree with me.

Apply logic, big boy, come on, who's a big boy?

Again, what's possible in reality doesn't apply to a fantasy character. Swagger couldn't make a 2mile shot, as he couldn't make the adjustments, factoring everything in at this distance, it's beyond humanly possible; Swagger isn't super-human.

Yeah, you're clearly breaking the "screen feats" rule, as 47 made that shot, Swagger didn't and couldn't, going by his feats.

What Impedimet did/saw in the military has no bearing on a fictional/fantasy character. Might as well ask Imp to dismiss just about every thread, on those same grounds.

LoL, you're not baiting me into a shit-slinging. So stop acting like a clown, please.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, what's possible in reality doesn't apply to a fantasy character. Swagger couldn't make a 2mile shot, as he couldn't make the adjustments, factoring everything in at this distance, it's beyond humanly possible; Swagger isn't super-human.

Yeah, you're clearly breaking the "screen feats" rule, as 47 made that shot, Swagger didn't and couldn't, going by his feats.

What Impedimet did/saw in the military has no bearing on a fictional/fantasy character. Might as well ask Imp to dismiss just about every thread, on those same grounds.

LoL, you're not baiting me into a shit-slinging. So stop acting like a clown, please.

Swagger can make the calculations, dude. If he has a rifle as powerful as 47 he can. How? Well, let's sya that in "Shooter", when he is making the calculations for shooting the can of beef stew, he is doing 2 + 2. If he is making the calculations for a shot twice that long, he simply does 4 + 4. Get it?

I already explained that Swagger has more sniper feats onscreen that 47 has. That argument is done.

Impediment has experience with a rifle, he'll get what I am saying.

You wanna say 47 has a better rifle? Fine. But dont say he's a better sniper, because he's not.....His 4k shot was one damn feat which Swagger, given 47's rifle, could easily make.

LoL, no, Swagger clearly said that a mile shot is nearly impossible, as there's so many factors to compenstate for. So he couldn't make a 2mile, going by his screen feats.

Yet 47 made a shot with a sniper Swagger couldn't. So 47 is the better sniper. Amazing, that.

I understand what you're saying, but you're trying to dismiss 47's screen feats because it doesn't jive with reality, that isn't a valid argument in here, considering we're talking fantasy. Super-assassins don't exist in reality either, would you try to dismiss 47 as an opponent for that same reason? No, you wouldn't.

See above, going by screen feats, he makes a shot Swagger couldn't. 47's better. Just abide the "screen feats" rule, it's easy.

Impossible due to a rifles capabilities, man

Give him 47's rifle and he makes the same shot.

Given screen feats, 47 has a more powerful gun, end of story.

Given ALL sniping screen feats, 47 wouldn't make a hair on Swagger's ass.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Impossible due to a rifles capabilities, man

Give him 47's rifle and he makes the same shot.

Given screen feats, 47 has a more powerful gun, end of story.

Given ALL sniping screen feats, 47 wouldn't make a hair on Swagger's ass.

And a person's abilities/skills, otherwise anyone could do what Swagger is shown doing, "with the same rifle." Yet we both know that isn't true.

No, not by Swagger's screen feats.

No, 47's the better sniper, he's has super-human skill with it, from what is shown. He can make shots Swagger can't.

No, 47 would shoot Swagger in the face from 4km(over twice Swagger's max) away, going by screen feats.

Originally posted by Robtard
And a person's abilities/skills, otherwise anyone could do what Swagger is shown doing, "with the same rifle." Yet we both know that isn't true.

No, not by Swagger's screen feats.

No, 47's the better sniper, he's has super-human skill with it, from what is shown. He can make shots Swagger can't.

No, 47 would shoot Swagger in the face from 4km(over twice Swagger's max) away, going by screen feats.

Tell me, when does Swagger say that it's impossible due to human restrictions to shoot beyond a mile? Because he kinda did it, you know. He said anything over a mile is impossible, Glover said bullshit, Swagger tested it and found it to be true.

He was referring to the capabilities of a rifle, Rob. Whats so hard about doubling up on the math?

Yes, Swagger displayed better and MORE screen feats. FAR more.

47 would have to FIND Swagger first. Swagger displayed stealth and camo that 47 never did. The only thing 47 would see is Swagger's bullet smashing through his scope.

McClane with a 9mm versus Murtaugh with a .357, who wins? McClane does, despite having a weaker weapon.

Scene where he says everything has to be factored in, even the earth's rotation, so the shot is all but impossible. He was able to make the mile shot, because he's an expert(and then some) sniper, one of very few men on the planet. As stated.

Yet when it comes to sniping, 47 can make a shot Swagger couldn't, about twice Swagger's range, so 47 is the better sniper, going by screen feats.

This is going on 4 pages now where you ignore the "screen feats" rule. It's tiring.

Originally posted by Robtard
And a person's abilities/skills, otherwise anyone could do what Swagger is shown doing, "with the same rifle." Yet we both know that isn't true.

Let's see, Swagger is shown.......Leading his target and scoring head shots. SHOWN doing the calculations for his long shots. What's 47 shown doing?

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Looking through a scope and pulling a trigger, big whoop.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let's see, Swagger is shown.......Leading his target and scoring head shots. SHOWN doing the calculations for his long shots. What's 47 shown doing?

Looking through a scope and pulling a trigger, big whoop.

Repeat: Yet 47 made a sniper shot that is well beyond Swagger's abilities, 47 is the better sniper, going by screen feats.

You keep ignoring this, 47 also made adjustments before his 4km shot.

Originally posted by Robtard
Scene where he says everything has to be factored in, even the earth's rotation. He was able to make the mile shot, because he's an expert sniper, one of very few men on the planet. As stated.

Yet when it comes to sniping, 47 can make a shot Swagger couldn't, about twice Swagger's range, so 47 is the better sniper, going by screen feats.

This is going on 4 pages now where you ignore the "screen feats" rule. It's tiring.

Exactly, and Bob Lee said "That's because long shots generally go places you wouldn't wanna have to go afterwords to have to confirm 'em. Confirmation's deskposts' problem. You know what it takes to make a shot at that range? Everything comes into play that far. Humidity elevation, temp, winds, spin-drift. There's a 6-10 second flight time so you have to shoot it where the targets going to be. Even the coriolis effect, the spin of the earth comes into play. The President will be wearing body armor, that means a head shot. You believe there's a shooter involved capable of making this shot?"

He knows all 47 knows and then tons more. When did 47 ever talk about that kinda shit? Oh yeah, never.

47 made the shot with a superior rifle, want more proof? His bullet arrived almost instantly. He squeezed the trigger and SPLAT, Bellicoff's head exploded. HA.

I am adhering to screen feats, Swagger's trump 47's, as I said, what is 47 actually shown doing other than looking through a scope and pulling a trigger? Once?

Originally posted by Robtard
Repeat: Yet 47 made a sniper shot that is well beyond Swagger's abilities, 47 is the better sniper, going by screen feats.

You keep ignoring this, 47 also made adjustments before his 4km shot. Post a vid of 47 making the adjustments. Also note that Swagger is entirely capable of making the same adjustments.

Don't know if there is one on the net, watch the movie if you need proof. Regardless, 47 made a 4km shot, it's a valid screen feat.

All you said above is irrelevent. 47 is shown making a sniper shot that would be impossible for Swagger to make. Adhereing my the "movie feats" rule, 47's the better sniper. /the end

Yes, you will continue to ignore the "screen feats" rule and continue your "Swagger can do anything better because he's Swagger and I like him a lot" method of debating. Moving on to page 4 of you ignoring the rules.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't know if there is one on the net, watch the movie if you need proof. Regardless, 47 made a 4km shot, it's a valid screen feat.

All you said above is irrelevent. 47 is shown making a sniper shot that would be impossible for Swagger to make. Adhereing my the "movie feats" rule, 47's the better sniper. /the end

Yes, you will continue to ignore the "screen feats" rule and continue your "Swagger can do anything better because he's Swagger and I like him a lot" method of debating. Moving on to page 4 of you ignoring the rules.

haermm Right, looking through a scope and pulling the trigger trumps leading your targets and making head shots, trumps taking on three snipers and pwning haermm

You aren't getting it, man. 47 knew his rifle could shoot that far, so he did the calculations in advance and adjusted so that all he had to do center the crosshairs and pull the trigger. Swagger, with the same rifle, could do the same. We can actually SEE Swagger doing the calculations, not to mention the speech he gave. Here it is again:

"That's because long shots generally go places you wouldn't wanna have to go afterwords to have to confirm 'em. Confirmation's deskposts' problem. You know what it takes to make a shot at that range? Everything comes into play that far. Humidity elevation, temp, winds, spin-drift. There's a 6-10 second flight time so you have to shoot it where the targets going to be. Even the coriolis effect, the spin of the earth comes into play. The President will be wearing body armor, that means a head shot. You believe there's a shooter involved capable of making this shot?"

No response to 47's bullet arriving almost instantly in Bellicoff's head? Hmm? Thought not. Just another log on the fire proving that 47 had a way stronger rifle.

You're painted into a corner here, man, and your only defense is "You arent going by screen feats!!!" Funny thing is that I AM going by screen feats, and I have proven without a doubt that Swagger is superior to 47.

All you said above is irrelevant, 47 is fictional and what he can do is based on fantasy/make believe, it's not bound by your "this is how it works in real life" angle you're trying to pull here. He's a fictional charcter with unrealistic abilities, like many others in here. Get that into your skull.

Using that same BS you're trying to pull here, your little Harry Potter characters can't cast spells in these vs threads, since magic doesn't really exist. This same BS would render most characters in here non-usable. Jedi, mutants, monsters, science freaks etc.

So, once again, going by screen feats, Agent 47 can make a sniper-shot Swagger couldn't ever make, ergo, 47 is the better sniper. /the end

Continue onto page 5 of you ignoring the rules. Amazing, anyone else would have been warned to stick to the rules by now.

The MVF Golden Rule:
What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!


Agent 47 is a movie character. Swagger is a movie character. Superman is a movie character. Neo, Wesley Gibson, Magneto, Sideswipe, Chucky, and Kubla-wretched-bloody-Khan are f*cking movie characters.

Movie character = fictional.

Fictional = not real.

Anything can happen in a movie.

It happened on screen? That is the standard.

Quit this incessant back-and-forth, all of you, and please continue with the debate.

The next person who ignores the rules will get an official warning by me.

Screw Swagger and 47, lets say they have the flu. Who now?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Screw Swagger and 47, lets say they have the flu. Who now?

LoL. Instead of being a man and admitting that you were wrong and were indeed not following the "screen feats" rule, you instead go for the dismissal approach. Nearly 5 pages of you breaking the rules.

Funny how no one has mentioned Riggs here. 1000 yard head shot in high wind at 18, pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Robtard
"strawman comparison" now? LoL.

Yeah. The argument you made was the comparison. You tried to illustrate a strawman argument with a fallacious comparison. You know that's how it works, right?

Originally posted by Robtard
"I don't have to prove anything, it's on screen; it's a screen feat. 47 made a shot with a sniper that Swagger couldn't make in RJ's wettest dream, ergo, 47 is a better sniper (and better all around, as I showed above with another screen feat).

No, you do. You have to prove that it was his skills and, by inference, not all gun.

Fact: he made the snipe with a bullet travel time of less than a second.
Fact: no bullet or gun exists that could make a shot from that far and have the tavel time.
Fact: He was using technology that doesn't exist.
Fact: If the only thing he had to do was line up the cross-hairs on that dude's skull, that shot is easy as hell.

It is up to you to prove that he made the shot with his skills and not uber technology. All items point to nonexistent uber-tech.

Originally posted by Robtard
All you're doing is ignoring the "screen feats" rule and it's bordering on trolling now. Abide the rules.

You can't say something that simply isn't true and pretend it is.

That's not how it works. You and I both know that your memory is superb. There's no excuse for what you just tried to do. You deliberately lied about something I said. Bad form.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Screen feat still stands. He made a shot by firing at someone lined up in his cross-hairs. No denying that. That's an easy shot, for a novice. No denying that, either.

If you can find in my posts where I said or implied that we can "ignore screen feats", I'll apologize.

In fact, from my second post, you can clearly see that I said the feat stands. I was pointing out that there are feats that are stupid and impossible. As Imp put it, it'

"Movie character = fictional.

Fictional = not real.

Anything can happen in a movie."




RJ is 100% correct this time. His arguments are flawless.

Leon would be a good choice. But can he get close enough to employ his stealth?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Leon would be a good choice. But can he get close enough to employ his stealth?

Uhhhhh... yes.

Originally posted by Blinky
Uhhhhh... yes. Past rows and rows of SS agents? Past Farmer?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Past rows and rows of SS agents? Past Farmer?

Yes.

With enough time for a bonus rape, to boot.

Wouldn't be easy, man. I dont have a doubt that once the President is in range of Leons guns he's dead though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah. The argument you made was the comparison. You tried to illustrate a strawman argument with a fallacious comparison. You know that's how it works, right?

No, you do. You have to prove that it was his skills and, by inference, not all gun.

Fact: he made the snipe with a bullet travel time of less than a second.
Fact: no bullet or gun exists that could make a shot from that far and have the tavel time.
Fact: He was using technology that doesn't exist.
Fact: If the only thing he had to do was line up the cross-hairs on that dude's skull, that shot is easy as hell.

It is up to you to prove that he made the shot with his skills and not uber technology. All items point to nonexistent uber-tech.

You can't say something that simply isn't true and pretend it is.

That's not how it works. You and I both know that your memory is superb. There's no excuse for what you just tried to do. You deliberately lied about something I said. Bad form.

If you can find in my posts where I said or implied that we can "ignore screen feats", I'll apologize.

In fact, from my second post, you can clearly see that I said the feat stands. I was pointing out that there are feats that are stupid and impossible. As Imp put it, it'

"Movie character = fictional.

Fictional = not real.

Anything can happen in a movie."

RJ is 100% correct this time. His arguments are flawless.

Lot's of noise, but no substance. If 47's shot is easy and anyone can make it, same applies for what Swagger showed on film. This is BS of course, on both counts.

Still, screen feats is screen feats, 47 made an impossible in reality shot, Swagger can't make this, so 47's the better sniper. /the end

Just accept the "screen feats" rule, or GTFO, it's tedious, went through 5 pages of this, not doing it with you. Abide the rules.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lot's of noise, but no substance.

Again, when you say something, it has to actually be true.

Originally posted by Robtard
If 47's shot is easy and anyone can make it, same applies for what Swagger showed on film. This is BS of course, on both counts.

No. That's not true.

Show me where Swagger JUST lines up his sights, pulls the trigger, and, "presto", headshot. Didn't happen because he doesn't have access to a super-sniper rifle that just requires lining up crosshairs in the middle of a dude's head.

Originally posted by Robtard
Still, screen feats is screen feats, 47 made an impossible in reality shot, Swagger can't make this, so 47's the better sniper. /the end

Exactly. Screen feats are screen feats. Agent 47 had technology that makes headshots at 4km look easy. Quite obviously, Swagger is the better sniper by miles. (lol, I'm punny.)

Originally posted by Robtard
Just accept the "screen feats" rule, or GTFO, it's tedious, went through 5 pages of this, not doing it with you. Abide the rules.

No u.

Just accept that you made a faulty assumption and can't admit that it was faulty to begin with.


And, again, when you say something it actually has to be true. Show me where I'm not going by screen feats?

Now, we can definitely say you are not going by screen feats. You're giving Agent 47 abilities not seen on screen. You're trying to say it was skill when it is quite clear that it was almost all gun. 1 second travel time at 4km. hahahaha That's skill, right?





Now, actually respond to my post instead of making up things I didn't say.

Respond to this:



"No, you do. You have to prove that it was his skills and, by inference, not all gun.

Fact: he made the snipe with a bullet travel time of less than a second.
Fact: no bullet or gun exists that could make a shot from that far and have the tavel time.
Fact: He was using technology that doesn't exist.
Fact: If the only thing he had to do was line up the cross-hairs on that dude's skull, that shot is easy as hell.

It is up to you to prove that he made the shot with his skills and not uber technology. All items point to nonexistent uber-tech."

Off the top of my head, when Swagger shoots the assassin about to kill the FBI Agent. He raised his rifle, looked through the scope and made a head-shot, quick and easy, just like that. Same as 47.

47 made a sniper shot that Swagger couldn't make, because it's fictional and out of the realms of reality, just as being a super-assassin who's an "expert in all forms of combat" is fictional and out of the realm of reality, why aren't you arguing against this. By screen feats, 47 is the better sniper. /the end

There are rules, abide by them. I don't want to hear any more nonsense.

Originally posted by Robtard
Off the top of my head, when Swagger shoots the assassin about to kill the FBI Agent. He raised his rifle, looked through the scope and made a head-shot, quick and easy, just like that. Same as 47.

At what distance.

Originally posted by Robtard
47 made a sniper shot that Swagger couldn't make, because it's fictional and out of the realms of reality, just as being a super-assassin who's an "expert in all forms of combat" is fictional and out of the realm of reality, why aren't you arguing against this. By screen feats, 47 is the better sniper. /the end

There's no need to argue that point.

He made a shot with tech that doesn't exist. He's clearly not a better shot, by feats. /the end.


You do know that the burden of proof is on you to prove that it wasn't mostly the tech, right?

You need to prove that his skill>Swaggers. So far, you haven't done anything but post the same thing over and over (i.e. "Agent 47 is teh betterz because he sniped at liek 4Km!"and end it with this "/the end."

Originally posted by Robtard
There are rules, abide by them. I don't want to hear any more nonsense.

You are correct. You need to abide by them. You are giving agent 47 abilities he doesn't have. That's breaking the rules.


Either disprove that a 1 second travel time at 4Km is super-tech or prove that Agent 47 has super TK that accelerates bullets.

Since we all know you can't do either, it's obviously super-tech. (Engine oil, man.)

I don't have prove a thing. 47 was able to make the impossible shot, because it's fictional, just as being a super-assassin is fictional and improbable. THAT'S ALL. F-I-C-T-I-O-N-A-L.

Just as I wouldn't have to prove how a little kid is able to defy the laws of physics by waving around a stick in Harry Potter.

Continue dancing around this, you will.

Originally posted by Impediment
The MVF Golden Rule:What is seen on screen is canon in these forums.