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Peak versions of all.

No BFR.

Which powerful duo wins?

Team 1

Team 2. Monarch is too powerful.

t1

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Team 2. Monarch is too powerful.

couldn't take Prime out

Originally posted by Warlord
couldn't take Prime out

Let's be honest he wasn't really trying

Originally posted by Warlord
couldn't take Prime out monarch spent the bulk of that battle antagonizing prime/not utilizing his powers efficiently. had he been fighting to "arena" standards, things would have been much different.

Originally posted by Warlord
couldn't take Prime out
Not a low feat in the slightest, it just goes to show you how tough Guardian amped Prime was. Beforehand Monarch beat three Supermen at once who were stronger than current Superman, one of them was nearing Pre-Crisis levels and the other one (Chris Kent) was even stronger. There's also the fact that he beat 50 alternate Captain Atoms at once and absorbed their power.

IMO nothing odin couldn't duplicate

Chris kent was that the guy with the S on his head?

The baldy

Originally posted by Galan007
things would have been much different. you have no proof

Originally posted by Warlord
IMO nothing odin couldn't duplicate
I bet you also think Odin could destroy a Universe.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I bet you also think Odin could destroy a Universe.

I bet you don't

Originally posted by Starscream M
you have no proof



at the end before Prime ripped off his armor he wasn't crying like: OH NOES I'M PHUCKED NAO!!!

He said something like: You fool it's supposed to protect YOU

Originally posted by Starscream M
you have no proof read the four issues of "arena", then read "countdown" #13.

stevie wonder could see the difference in monarch's overall demeanor and application(s) of power.

Monarch is Universe Buster. He beats Odin. Superman Prime beats Thanos. Thanos Ain't messing with Reality altering strength. And Speed so fast that he can escape the Actual Speed Dimension. Prime is on a whole other level.

Odin BFR Monarch.....

^ odin is going to BFR a being who can hop through dimensions at will? no way, no how.

regardless, there is no BFR in this battle

Originally posted by Galan007
^ odin is going to BFR a being who can hop through dimensions at will? no way, no how.

regardless, there is no BFR in this battle couldn't odin break monarch's armor by overloading him with energy?

Originally posted by Starscream M
couldn't odin break monarch's armor by overloading him with energy? And Kill Himself and His partner in the process? leaving Superboy Prime as the lone person thus giving team two the victory.

Originally posted by Starscream M
couldn't odin break monarch's armor by overloading him with energy? odin might very well find a way to eventually breach monarch's armor. but if that happens, they all lose.

imo.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
And Kill Himself and His partner in the process? leaving Superboy Prime as the lone person thus giving team two the victory. thanos would prob survive too, given his durability

^ has thanos demonstrated the ability to survive a universe-busting explosion at ground zero?

Originally posted by Starscream M
thanos would prob survive too, given his durability

Originally posted by Starscream M
you have no proof

Originally posted by Galan007
^ has thanos demonstrated the ability to survive a universe-busting explosion at ground zero? no. but he could activate shields and also use Odin as a buffer. also, why would prime survive then?

Odin could breach Monarch's armour and that would serve them all no purpose. Other than a kamikaze attack. Though I see that's how the battle would end. Odin probably can't beat Monarch, but he can ruin his armour.

Originally posted by Starscream M
also, why would prime survive then? because johns still needed to use him in "Lo3W" and "blackest night". DUH! uhuh

seriously though, based on previous showings prime should have never survived monarch's detonation. and to make things worse, nothing was ever stated/shown pertaining to how he survived.

^wasn't he saved by Time Trapper or someone else?

Originally posted by Starscream M
couldn't odin break monarch's armor by overloading him with energy?

The energy of Odin would only increase Monarchs own energy resource, if this is even possible. SBP attacked the Armor Physically, which might have been the only way to damage it enough. Odin doesn't have the strength to rip it apart. And Monarch wouldn't let Odin come close enough in an KMC fight.

I think that Monarch would solo this. Thanos would be a nonfactor here.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Thanos would be a nonfactor here. thanos is not much lower than odin himself...you're kidding yourself if you think he's a non-factor

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The energy of Odin would only increase Monarchs own energy resource, if this is even possible. SBP attacked the Armor Physically, which might have been the only way to damage it enough. Odin doesn't have the strength to rip it apart. And Monarch wouldn't let Odin come close enough in an KMC fight.

I think that Monarch would solo this. Thanos would be a nonfactor here.
The green lantern was able to breach Monarch's armour temporarily. Monarch has not shown himself capable of absorbing someone as powerful as Odin either. He absorbed the energy of various captains atom with ambiguous showings -after- killing them.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^wasn't he saved by Time Trapper or someone else? yeah, but that was after prime already survived the blast. TT merely snagged his unconscious body as it was hurling through the time stream, and sent it to earth-prime.

Been done before but this is a very good competitive fight. Saying Thanos is a non-factor is a joke. I personally believe he could beat Prime. Odin vs. Monarch is a great battle. As I said good fight.

Prime is running out of doomsday attacks to take point blank and survive just as he's running out of prisons to escape. You know he'll escape Earth Prime sooner or later. Probably saying something like:
"Okay now I'll find the REAL Perfect Earth!"

What if Odin tries a spell? Like timestop or something

Originally posted by Warlord
What if Odin tries a spell? Like timestop or something
That probably won't work on Prime who's pretty resistant to any and all forms of magic and even if it did work the main problem is I don't see Odin beating Monarch without also killing himself in the process.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That probably won't work on Prime who's pretty resistant to any and all forms of magic and even if it did work the main problem is I don't see Odin beating Monarch without also killing himself in the process.

could work on monarch though.
he hasn't shown any degree of magic resistance.
If that approach is followed it can turn to a 2 vs 1

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That probably won't work on Prime who's pretty resistant to any and all forms of magic and even if it did work the main problem is I don't see Odin beating Monarch without also killing himself in the process.

Lets not forget.. Odin's attack are mystical/magical in nature and could effect Prime. Plus, Odin or Thanos imo could also create some form of a red sun to further weaken prime. I don't think it would outright beat him but probably weaken him enough so that he eventually went down. Furthermore, if Prime is done.. and Monarch's armor then breached.. He is the first one to die and thus the team/individual would win. I believe either Thanos or Odin could bust Monarch's armor. Whether they would or not, is what makes it a good fight.

Didnt Odin turn Loki into a tree once? what about matter manip vs Monarch?

Originally posted by The Nuul
Didnt Odin turn Loki into a tree once? what about matter manip vs Monarch?
Monarch is Quantum energy, that won't work. His matter manipulation is nothing to laugh at either.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Monarch is Quantum energy, that won't work. His matter manipulation is nothing to laugh at either.

when has he shown matter manipulation?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets not forget.. Odin's attack are mystical/magical in nature and could effect Prime. Plus, Odin or Thanos imo could also create some form of a red sun to further weaken prime. I don't think it would outright beat him but probably weaken him enough so that he eventually went down. Furthermore, if Prime is done.. and Monarch's armor then breached.. He is the first one to die and thus the team/individual would win. I believe either Thanos or Odin could bust Monarch's armor. Whether they would or not, is what makes it a good fight.

1) Prime laughed off a blast from Mordru who IMO is in Odin's mystical weight class.

2) Guardian Amped Prime has more going for him than yellow sun radiation though that could potentially work.

3) I'm sure they'd have the power to breach Monarch's armor but that's not a win since neither of them could survive the resulting blast. Prime shouldn't have survived it either but hey its comics.

Originally posted by Warlord
when has he shown matter manipulation?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets not forget.. Odin's attack are mystical/magical in nature and could effect Prime. prime was unfazed by mordru's attack. i'm hard-pressed to see odin's magics having much more of an affect.

Originally posted by The Nuul
what about matter manip vs Monarch? doubt it'd do much. monarch was literally catching attacks from alternate versions of firestorm, green lantern, captain atom, etc.

Originally posted by Galan007


doubt it'd do much. monarch was literally catching attacks from alternate versions of firestorm, green lantern, captain atom, etc.

all of them being energy attacks though. not mentioned to try affect his molecular state.

still a timestop spell could work IMO

Originally posted by Galan007


doubt it'd do much. monarch was literally catching attacks from alternate versions of firestorm, green lantern, captain atom, etc. none of whom are anywhere near Odin's level

Originally posted by Warlord
all of them being energy attacks though. not mentioned to try affect his molecular state.

still a timestop spell could work IMO
How do you manipulate Quantum energy? Its not matter.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you manipulate Quantum energy? Its not matter.

fine by me.
Since he is living energy (although I don't remember it being mentioned) mater manipulation is not an option.

timestop ftw

Originally posted by Warlord
still a timestop spell could work IMO it's possible. but how many on panel instances are there of odin freezing time mid-battle?

furthermore, it would be rather difficult to accomplish the aforementioned tactic, with monarch constantly on the offensive. imo.

The real question is if Odin has the durability to survive Monarch's attacks.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The real question is if Odin has the durability to survive Monarch's attacks. he should...he is a high level skyfather after all

Originally posted by Galan007
it's possible. but how many times has odin frozen time mid-battle?

furthermore, it would be rather difficult to accomplish the aforementioned tactic, with monarch constantly on the offensive. imo.

IMO there are many characters who have abilities that would render comics boring if they were using them consistently (Flash-speedsteal for example).

I don't really know how many times he has done it but I know he has the option.

And since a spell needs only an instant to be cast, Odin needs to form a powerful shield to hold them back only for that instant.

Would that happen in a comic?
Most likely not. They most likely trade energy bolts until one of them is down.

I'm just exploring possible alternatives here.

Another one is Monarch going kamikaze killing everyone but Prime and team DC wins (highly unlikely too)

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The real question is if Odin has the durability to survive Monarch's attacks.

he was trading what was said to be universe shattering blows with Seth so I guess yes

Originally posted by The Nuul
Didnt Odin turn Loki into a tree once? what about matter manip vs Monarch?
He removed Thor's mouth once. He's done several strange things to Loki. Turned many asgardians into animals.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
That probably won't work on Prime who's pretty resistant to any and all forms of magic and even if it did work the main problem is I don't see Odin beating Monarch without also killing himself in the process.
Prime has resisted magic from like, Black Adam? And that's magic added on to physical attacks. Aside from that it's the one time he took some weaker blasts from an incredibly unimpressive mordru. This is not evidence to support him somehow being able to resist Odin's attacks. He's no more or less resistant to that than he is to regular attacks. Which he, is highly durable against.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Monarch is Quantum energy, that won't work. His matter manipulation is nothing to laugh at either.
All beings are composed of energy. Whether it's a human or a being like Stardust. For someone with matter manipulation it doesn't matter(haw-som) what someone is made out of. But Monarch has matter manipulation on his own, it's a two-way street. Neither would be able to just transmute the other.

Originally posted by Warlord
he was trading what was said to be universe shattering blows with Seth so I guess yes blatant hyperbole.

I'm waiting for a certain post related to matter manipulation...

Originally posted by Galan007
blatant hyperbole.

to put it that way then, if SBP can take his blows, I say Odin can as well

Originally posted by Warlord
to put it that way then, if SBP can take his blows, I say Odin can as well not counting his final 'detonation', monarch only blasted prime 4 different times. of those 4 energy attacks, the most impressive was compared to "a nuke", and failed to so much as destroy a city.
srsly

point being: we know monarch is capable of much more, based on his showings during the bludhaven affair, as well as "arena".

Originally posted by Galan007
not counting his final 'detonation', monarch only blasted prime 4 different times. of those 4 energy attacks, the most impressive was compared to "a nuke", and failed to so much as destroy a city.
srsly

point being: we know monarch is capable of much more, based on his showings during the bludhaven affair, as well as "arena".

I don't think he hurt anyone at odin's level in the "arena".

You think Odin could not take Monarch's regular blows?

Originally posted by Warlord
I don't think he hurt anyone at odin's level in the "arena".

You think Odin could not take Monarch's regular blows? i disagree.

i'm sure odin could take monarch's regular blows, initially. how long he could endure a repeated assault is the question.

Originally posted by Galan007
i disagree.

i'm sure odin could take monarch's regular blows, initially. how long he could endure a repeated assault is the question.
Who in Arena was on Odin's level?

Originally posted by Galan007
i disagree.

i'm sure odin could take monarch's regular blows, initially. how long he could endure a repeated assault is the question. why do you not ask how long Monarch can endure an assault from Odin...ie gugnir?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Who in Arena was on Odin's level?
Chris Kent was at least close. He treated Red Son Superman like he was barely a threat.

Originally posted by Galan007
i disagree.

i'm sure odin could take monarch's regular blows, initially. how long he could endure a repeated assault is the question.

he can take enough until he stops time...

ok two questions

who was on odin's level in arena

how many blows can Monarch take from odin

u see this can go both ways

Originally posted by Starscream M
why do you not ask how long Monarch can endure an assault from Odin...ie gugnir?
What I want to know is how in the hell Odin beats Monarch without rupturing the suit.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Who in Arena was on Odin's level? every captain atom in the multiverse.

Originally posted by Starscream M
why do you not ask how long Monarch can endure an assault from Odin...ie gugnir? because that was not the question at hand.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Chris Kent was at least close. He treated Red Son Superman like he was barely a threat.
Calling bullshit on this right here.

Chris Kent did little to display that he was actually that much stronger than the other Supermen. He sure did speak a lot and clearly had a greater understanding of his powers, but this does not suddenly make him leaps stronger than the other Superman. And honestly, to Odin Superman is a single half-assed energy blast. They are -not- comparable.
Originally posted by Galan007
every captain atom in the multiverse.
That featless team was faaaaaar weaker than the sum of its parts, assuming said parts are anywhere -near- their Earth - 1 counterpart.

Originally posted by Warlord
how many blows can Monarch take from odin physical blows?

Originally posted by Galan007


because that was not the question at hand. I detect a very one-sided analysis from you...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That featless team was faaaaaar weaker than the sum of its parts, assuming said parts are anywhere -near- their Earth - 1 counterpart. if you're arguing that odin > every version of captain atom in the multiverse, i'm not going to indulge you.

How individually a single CA is equal to Odin in terms of durability?

If I can unleash a blast that can kill colossus let's say it's easy for me to kill 100 of them. does that mean i can easily kill superman?

(ok the example is not the best but you get what I mean)

Originally posted by Galan007
physical blows?

mystical energy blows

Assuming that every one of the Captain Atoms were just half as good as New Earth Atom then there's no way in hell Odin could even come close to their combined might.

Originally posted by Galan007
physical blows? blows from gugnir

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Assuming that every one of the Captain Atoms were just half as good as New Earth Atom then there's no way in hell Odin could even come close to their combined might.

If odin can kill with one blast one CA I don't see why a omnidirectional blast won't kill 50 of them or so

Originally posted by Warlord
How individually a single CA is equal to Odin in terms of durability? the versions of captain atom were merely one example. there are also numerous accounts of monarch owning various supermen/GL's like weak feebs.

and before someone cries "featless", i implore you to remember monarch's reasoning for selecting characters to be part of the arena in the first place

Originally posted by Warlord
mystical energy blows i don't know. i've never been asked to numerically rate how many energy attacks 'this' character can endure from 'that' character.

Originally posted by Starscream M
blows from gugnir okay?

Originally posted by Galan007


okay? so how many hits from gugnir do you suppose monarch can withstand?

one blow was enough to stagger the mighty thanos

yes but as I said.
he never faced one single powerful opponent.
just bunches of weaklings (in comparison to him).
he never easily owned someone like darkseid let's say.

All I'm saying is: Odin could easily stomp gladiator. Wheather 1 or 50 won't make much of a difference to him

Overall I say Odin and Monarch are on the same level.
Should the stand there blast each other I can't say who will win.

Should Odin use a powerful spell, he may take this IMO

Originally posted by Galan007
i don't know. i've never been asked to numerically rate how many energy attacks 'this' character can endure from 'that' character.


ok, maybe if we rephrase in "how long can he endure" would be better

Originally posted by Starscream M
so how many hits from gugnir do you suppose monarch can withstand?

one blow was enough to stagger the mighty thanos and? when prime was still guardian amped, his punches/HV left monarch's armor with no lasting damage. it was only when prime caught monarch by surprise, and was able to physically peel the armor, that it was breached.

Originally posted by Warlord
Overall I say Odin and Monarch are on the same level. i agree - never argued otherwise.

ok boys and girls you can take it from here...gotta go
have a nice night, or whatever it is there.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37815/881228-countdown13p05_super.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
and? when prime was still guardian amped, his punches/HV left monarch's armor with no lasting damage. it was only when prime caught monarch by surprise, and was able to physically peel the armor, that it was breached. are you implying prime's punches approximate the power of gugnir?

i'm saying that if guardian amped prime's punches/HV could not so much as scratch monarch's armor, it's hard for me to believe odin's initial attacks would do much.

Originally posted by Galan007
i agree - never argued otherwise.
Monarch's probably stronger than Odin.

Originally posted by Galan007
if you're arguing that odin > every version of captain atom in the multiverse, i'm not going to indulge you.

You misunderstand. It doesn't matter how much power they have combined, if each of them is fairly easy to take out. 52 Supermen wouldn't stand a chance against Odin, because he can simply release enough energy to down all of them at the same time. If you combine the team into a single being, then it would be much more powerful. That's not how team-ups go unfortunately. The amalgam of 52 Captain Atoms is probably a far more challenging opponent than 52 guys blasting at random and accomplishing nothing.

Surfer could not scratch Odin. I don't see 10 Surfers blasting him at random intervals doing -any- damage either. But I do see the power of 10 Surfers combined, in one being, doing it.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t492963.html

Originally posted by Warlord
yes but as I said.
he never faced one single powerful opponent.
just bunches of weaklings (in comparison to him).
he never easily owned someone like darkseid let's say.

All I'm saying is: Odin could easily stomp gladiator. Wheather 1 or 50 won't make much of a difference to him

Overall I say Odin and Monarch are on the same level.
Should the stand there blast each other I can't say who will win.

Should Odin use a powerful spell, he may take this IMO
What's impressive is not just who he defeated in Arena but how easily he did it. Two Supermen (who were both stronger than current) and three Wonder Women at once were scarcely an annoyance to him, he swatted aside three GLs almost nonchalantly. To say he was even challenged once in the entire comic by anyone save for Chris Kent is foolish.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Team 2. Monarch is too powerful.





team 1

Team 1 dies.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Team 1 dies. Nah. Team 1 owns.

Team two for a majority.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Team two for a majority. How?