Fairy Tail

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
i haven't read the manga but the anime sure does advance pretty fast, like ten or less episodes per arc, not bad at all...

Yea, they're unusual like that. They should probably slow down or do more filler if they're going to do long-term. They've got maybe one and a third season's worth in the tank right now.

Lucky for them that Fairy Tail's manga is not like bleach in speed.

Quite. Heck, even Lucy with Aquarious would be pretty dangerous smile

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For those of us following the manga, anyone else think Fairy Tail's too stingy with the S-class? Several have shown them to be capable of handling the missions, but to only have one slot for it!

No wonder the actual Fairy Tail S-class mages like Erza and Laxus tend to be so badass compared to those of other guilds.

draxx_tOfU

would you guys consider Gray as S-class?...

I read some bios and with dragon slayers cropping up, I hope Gray doesn't get left behind, or atleast he'll be shown to parallel Natsu's progress...

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
would you guys consider Gray as S-class?...

I read some bios and with dragon slayers cropping up, I hope Gray doesn't get left behind, or atleast he'll be shown to parallel Natsu's progress...

Pretty much, yea. He does beat S-class Juvia in the Phantom Lord arc (granted she's a bit stronger, just going easy because of the love-crush thing, but she's also the 2nd strongest of the Element 4, and he'd beat either of the weaker two).

The latest manga chapter reveals he's one of the candidates to get Fairy Tail's next S-class slot (which they are really stingy with; you might've noticed by now how Erza tends to beat up even other guild's S-classes, and Laxus and Mirajane and Mystogan were like that too). Even with the coming of the mighty Sky Dragon Slayer to the guild.

Unlike most other shounen series, people in Fairy Tail do not level up rapidly, they ease forward, and that continues on the next several arcs until the present point. With some exception for Lucy, who's collection of new keys has made her noticeably stronger than she was at the beginning, but I think she's leveled out.

KingD19

Yeah.....the only noted S-Classes are.

Erza
Mystogan
Juvia
Gajeel
Clive

Despite beating several S-Class opponents, Natsu still isn't considered as such, even with the Flame of Lament or whatever it's called.

draxx_tOfU

was Erza already considered the strongest female even back when Mirajane was still active?...

also, I guess I gotta start reading the manga, been reading about Gildarts, he seems leet...

KingD19

They just call her the strongest, it's like her schtick.

Mirajene outclasses her like crazy though.

And yeah....Clive is uber, when he came back to Magnolia, they actually remodeled the entire city so he had a straight line to Fairy Tail. They made sure nothing was in his way.

draxx_tOfU

yeah, his magic or entrance to town was what pretty much caught my interest, it beats Mystogan putting everyone to sleep whenever he visits, Mystogan is cool too though...

and Dragons must be the real deal too, if one of them managed to do that number on Gildarts...

KingD19

Yeah...Crash basically destroys whatever it touches.

And yeah...Dragons are like....the tailed beasts and the logia users of Fairy Tail.

Q99

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah.....the only noted S-Classes are.

Erza
Mystogan
Juvia
Gajeel
Clive

Despite beating several S-Class opponents, Natsu still isn't considered as such, even with the Flame of Lament or whatever it's called.

I will note that S-class doesn't transfer over, that is to say Juvia and Gajeel are considered S-class in Phantom but not fairy tail (though they do get more respect for being S-class in another guild) and'll have to pass the S-class test just like Natsu or Gray before they can take S-ranked jobs on their own by the FT rules.

They were rivals, so we're not really sure who is tops. Probably pretty close.

I do wonder if with Mirajane's powers back she'll be actively taking missions again.

draxx_tOfU

im now up to date with the anime, hmmm, so Jellal is the guy who'll be tapping Erza's azz, interesting, I also sorta like Laxus and Gajeel after the shooby do bop thing...

and Mirajane's Satan soul was awesome, Freid had to powerup just to keep up and it was still nothing...

KingD19

Q99 - I said they were S-Class....I know they aren't official S-Class for Fairy Tail, but people do still think of them as such.

RE: Blaxican

I've never read any Fairy Tail up until now, but the ten pages I did read yesterday was all about girls with big boobies naked in a bathtub.

That's a good sign.

draxx_tOfU

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I've never read any Fairy Tail up until now, but the ten pages I did read yesterday was all about girls with big boobies naked in a bathtub.

That's a good sign.

Lol yeah me too, I took a sneak peek at this weeks chapter and the only thing missing is that dude from Jersey Shore...

Q99

Cana's one of the guilds other powerful mages.

SasuOna

Fairy Tail S class status more than likely has nothing to do with how powerful you are but is probably about your status in the guild hence why all the background characters were just doing missions to increase their status and not actually trying to get stronger.

If Juvia were in One Piece she would probably do well against DF users but not against Enel.

Q99

Originally posted by SasuOna
Fairy Tail S class status more than likely has nothing to do with how powerful you are but is probably about your status in the guild hence why all the background characters were just doing missions to increase their status and not actually trying to get stronger.

I think it's both.

The s-classes we've seen are stronger than the non-s-classes, but showing off your power helps selection.

Q99

Woo, new chapter, and yea, it definitely does need strength smile

Status may get one selected for the qualifiers, but the obstacles are serious.

Kinasin

Love the anime haven't read the manga yet.

Q99

I hope more people catch up in the manga so we can discuss it here...

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
I hope more people catch up in the manga so we can discuss it here...

I'm all the way caught up.

I have been for ages.

Speculation: what happened to the dragons? And why the loli dragon slayer? That's just silly. She should be an Erza type: hot, strong, and has a strong will. Just like the other two. We can skimp on the strong will, if we have to, and show her growth, but I don't like it that we have a loli dragonslayer. mad

I assume the dragons are captured by an even "higher" evil power that we haven't seen yet or we have seen but is pretending to be good. (The new head of the magic council?)

Q99

Originally posted by dadudemon

Speculation: what happened to the dragons? And why the loli dragon slayer? That's just silly. She should be an Erza type: hot, strong, and has a strong will. Just like the other two. We can skimp on the strong will, if we have to, and show her growth, but I don't like it that we have a loli dragonslayer. mad

But we already have an Erza, and Wendy's just a kid. Plus role-wise she's healbot instead of asskicker.

Also I suspect she's sort of the new 'Lucy'- Lucy's growing more powerful and a new newbie is needed.

Wasn't there a bit of what was implied to be two dragons talking at one point? I don't think they're captured, I think they're off doing something against a much greater threat.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
But we already have an Erza, and Wendy's just a kid. Plus role-wise she's healbot instead of asskicker.

Also I suspect she's sort of the new 'Lucy'- Lucy's growing more powerful and a new newbie is needed.

Well, Natsu and Gajeel are very similar in type: never give up until the very last breath, super strong willed, very rowdy, loyal as fudge, etc. So I see no reason to have a strong hot female type.

And, ditto on your second point. But, Lucy still has plenty of room to grow.

That makes me think: I would LOVE an RPG of this game. Singler player, of course. It would be fun as crap to make it similar to the Fable RPG games: take jobs for the guild and complete them one by one and gain experience along the way while solving your personal story on the side. Sounds fun. I would play that game. sad

Originally posted by Q99
Wasn't there a bit of what was implied to be two dragons talking at one point? I don't think they're captured, I think they're off doing something against a much greater threat.

It was...it was a dark character type that we don't know much about that was after them or something.

Did some reading: It's Zeref...unconfirmed, but very directly implied. They are leaving humans alone for some reason.

BloodRain

Wasnt sure what I felt with Lisanna returning. Her death was massive development for Mirajane and Elfman, and must of done something to Natsu. And a decade of her thought to be dead was blown away in less then a chapter. Seemed a bit fast and sudden.

Also bothered that Mystogun is gone and Gildarts is damaged. Better things could of been done with them :/

Q99

Originally posted by BloodRain
Also bothered that Mystogun is gone and Gildarts is damaged. Better things could of been done with them :/

Mystogun was largely a cypher prior to that anyway. Gildarts... damaged but not out of action, he's still a badass smile

draxx_tOfU

just watched the latest ep and it was awesome, also I thought Natsu had a permanent upgrade when he consumed etherion, just that he didn't display the power he had when he fought Jellal against Laxus...

KingD19

Lisanna was definitely Natsu's love interest. They were just about BF/GF before she died.

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
just watched the latest ep and it was awesome, also I thought Natsu had a permanent upgrade when he consumed etherion, just that he didn't display the power he had when he fought Jellal against Laxus...

No, it's no different than eating fire, and since it was all sorts of concentrated magic instead of pure fire it even weakened him for awhile after due to health effects (note how he was out of it early in the arc).

That's the real advantage of Dragon Slayers; they can amp their magic and their health by eating whatever their element is, either for simple recovery or even a significant overcharge. But it does have it's own severe limits.

draxx_tOfU

I see...

I wonder why the other mages don't train as much to increase the potency of their magic, I noticed during the fighting festival arc that some have the potential to be really powerful...

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
I see...

I wonder why the other mages don't train as much to increase the potency of their magic, I noticed during the fighting festival arc that some have the potential to be really powerful...

What makes you think they don't?

Training to increase magic power probably takes a lot of work and time, and from what we've seen of mages, most FT ones are decidedly above-average, a lot of the ones in Eisenwald could only summon magic swords and similar low-level stuff. Getting to Natsu and Gray levels has to take some serious practice and dedication.

draxx_tOfU

I dunno, most are always at the guild's bar, I don't blame them though, with Cana and Mirajane always there...

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
I dunno, most are always at the guild's bar, I don't blame them though, with Cana and Mirajane always there...

Hey, so are the main characters a lot of the time, everyone hangs out in between missions. Granted, some of 'em are there more than others, like Macao, but a lot come and go, you don't always see the dancing guy or the telepath or the gunslingers around.

Cana's supposed to be one of the stronger guild members too, even though she's a primary hanger-out person.

draxx_tOfU

really, didn't know that, I just thought she was one of the youngest to join the guild...

now that Fairy Tail has usurped Bleach's place as one of the big 3, they should start making movies...

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
really, didn't know that, I just thought she was one of the youngest to join the guild...

Cana's been in the Guild the longest of her generation and is about Erza's age, so that's a fair amount of time to get better.

In the upcoming arc she becomes a candidate for the S-class trials.

We just haven't gotten a chance to see her fight in the anime.

Probably later smile

draxx_tOfU

too lazy to start the manga where the anime left off so I read the newest chapter, and it looks like things are about to get cracking...

and Evergreen is looking soooo fine, I'll prolly be rooting for her and Elfman as well as Levy and Gajeel if only for the lulz...

killermover

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
really, didn't know that, I just thought she was one of the youngest to join the guild...

now that Fairy Tail has usurped Bleach's place as one of the big 3, they should start making movies... laughing

Since when? Fairy Tail seems like Rave Master won't last until a 100 episodes, it's to unoriginal to even be main stream. People already hate the manga. It's not replacing Bleach in terms of media success, Natsu in particular has nothing that makes him stand out from the holy trinity. Ninja's, Pirates, and Shinigami's are all that people care about. Mages? Go read Harry Potter or Vinland Saga.

Q99

Originally posted by killermover
Since when? Fairy Tail seems like Rave Master won't last until a 100 episodes, it's to unoriginal to even be main stream. People already hate the manga. It's not replacing Bleach in terms of media success, Natsu in particular has nothing that makes him stand out from the holy trinity. Ninja's, Pirates, and Shinigami's are all that people care about. Mages? Go read Harry Potter or Vinland Saga.

Since... in sales, it has surpassed Bleach in Japan by quite a bit.

Real numbers from a month or two back:

Sales Ranking Series by Series
*1, 15,220,095 One Piece
*2, *4,178,598 Naruto
*3, *3,616,942 Fairy Tail
*4, *3,169,048 Fullmetal Alchemist
*5, *3,029,300 Nodame Cantabile
*6, *2,626,932 Bleach
*7, *2,533,556 Kimi ni Todoke
*8, *2,376,060 Gintama
*9, *2,083,508 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
10, *1,574,448 Bakuman

You might not like it, but it's got chops smile

Fun with a good cast (Erza!) and good stories matters more than pure originality. Being somewhat similar to other good things isn't bad if it's also a good thing smile

draxx_tOfU

Originally posted by killermover
laughing

killermover

Originally posted by Q99
Since... in sales, it has surpassed Bleach in Japan by quite a bit.

Real numbers from a month or two back:

Sales Ranking Series by Series
*1, 15,220,095 One Piece
*2, *4,178,598 Naruto
*3, *3,616,942 Fairy Tail
*4, *3,169,048 Fullmetal Alchemist
*5, *3,029,300 Nodame Cantabile
*6, *2,626,932 Bleach
*7, *2,533,556 Kimi ni Todoke
*8, *2,376,060 Gintama
*9, *2,083,508 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
10, *1,574,448 Bakuman

You might not like it, but it's got chops smile

Fun with a good cast (Erza!) and good stories matters more than pure originality. Being somewhat similar to other good things isn't bad if it's also a good thing smile

I'm talking about overall commerical popularity. Fairy Tail isn't reaching Bleach's place for a while.

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Oricon’s Weekly Manga Ranking (August 16th Rank)

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Inside AX brings you the Oricon list of best selling mangas and artbooks for the week of August 16th. We have also included the total sales overall for each manga volume. Enjoy!

1. One Piece vol. 59, Total Sales: 1,852,541

2. Naruto vol. 52, Total Sales: 846,206

3. Bleach vol. 46, Total Sales: 548,912

4. Katekyoshi Hitman REBORN vol. 30, Total Sales: 330,180

5. Gintama vol. 35, Total Sales: 280,185

6. Bakuman vol. 9, Total Sales: 251,082

7. Kaichou wa Maid-sama vol. 11, Total Sales: 114,025

8. Kuroko no Basuke vol. 8, Total Sales: 103,008

9. Beelzebub vol. 7, Total Sales: 94,433

10. Initial D vol. 41, Total Sales: 91,708

11. Bleach Official Character Book 2: Masked, Total Sales: 86,454

12. Gag Manga Byori vol. 11, Total Sales: 80,292

13. Detroit Metal City vol. 10, Total Sales: 137,880

14. Bartender vol. 17, Total Sales: 44,608

15. Ki Kou Douji Ultimo (Ultimo) vol. 4, Total Sales: 39,313

16. Omamori Himari vol. 7, Total Sales: 37,808

17. Kanojo wa Uso wo Itoshi Sugiru vol. 4, Total Sales: 139,267

18. Soul Eater vol. 17, Total Sales: 275,119

19. Gintamashii Kyarakuta Zubukku vol. 3, Total Sales: 33,429

20. Pandora Hearts vol. 12, Total Sales: 140,572

21. One Piece vol. 58, Total Sales: 2,312,304

22. Billy Bat vol. 4, Total Sales: 206,781

23. Ikigami vol. 8, Total Sales: 56,957

24. Suki Desu Suzuki-kun!! vol. 8, Total Sales: 142,027

25. Hokenshitsu no Shinigami vol. 4, Total Sales: 28,375

26. Himitsu Top Secret vol. 8, Total Sales: 80,494

27. Shinjuku Swan vol. 23, Total Sales: 26,673

28. Koidano Meda no vol. 1, Total Sales: 25,579

29. Hyakunen Renbo vol. 1, Total Sales: 24,737

30. Black Bird vol.11, Total Sales: 104,714

dadudemon

Wait, so is fairy tale a top seller or is it not? WHO IS RIGHT!

Q99

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait, so is fairy tale a top seller or is it not? WHO IS RIGHT!

It is.

Here's the source page for my info. Same company as the stats KM posted, oricon. I have no idea why FT isn't on the list he posted, but it's obviously not due to lack of total sales.

I'll also note on his one it's not in any particular order. So I'm not really sure what it's supposed to be saying.

Also outside of sales, it received the 2009 Kodansha Manga Award for shōnen manga.

Well yes, having the advantage of being a 9 year series vs a 4 year one will do that. Still, Bleaches' sales are on the way down while FT's nipping at Naruto's heals. Fairy Tail is the young up and comer who's taken it's place in sales-per-month, but hasn't had a chance to expand as much into other stuff.

draxx_tOfU

I think what killermover posted are in terms of sales per volume and not the total manga sales for this year of which FT is third...

Q99

New chapter up smile

I wonder who's going to get each S-class... odds of being stopped there seem high for any team against any of them!

Levy didn't get to fight Fried, which seemed her best chance of an upset.

I expect Cana'll show some nice moves here. Probably Cana vs Bixlow and Lucy vs Fried

BloodRain

Strongest team there imo are Gray and Loke or Mest and Wendy.

Slaanesh

Fried and Bixlow are a powerful team too..but i bet they gonna lose to Kana and Lucy with some stupid plot device..

Q99

Gray and Loke is fairly strong and one of the few teams who went with two strong fighters. Mest and Wendy, likely not the strongest due to Wendy not being a fighter, but quite useful due to her abilities. They don't seem better off than Levy and Gajeel, unless Mest's noticeably stronger than Gajeel.

Juvia and Lisanna may be up there. We haven't seen Lisanna's best battle form yet, and Juvia has the advantage of already having earned S-class elsewhere. If Lisanna's strong too then they might be at the top.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Fried and Bixlow are a powerful team too..but i bet they gonna lose to Kana and Lucy with some stupid plot device..

Considering Cana's supposed to be strong, I suspect they win via a method like switching up foes. Fried and Bixlow are powerful, but I don't think they have too big a power gap over their foes.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Considering Cana's supposed to be strong, I suspect they win via a method like switching up foes. Fried and Bixlow are powerful, but I don't think they have too big a power gap over their foes.

Fried already beat Kana before..and easily at that if i'm not mistaken..Lucy doesn't have his most powerful spirit..the power gap is huge..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Fried already beat Kana before..and easily at that if i'm not mistaken..Lucy doesn't have his most powerful spirit..the power gap is huge..

We didn't really see the fight from what I remember.

And while Lucy lacks Loke, she still has Aquarius and Sagittarius. Not exactly weak.

Anyway, what if they swap partners? Kana might be better against Bixlow than she is against Fried, and with Fried as most of his enchantments are fairly specific, summoning may be a fairly good way to get around them.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
We didn't really see the fight from what I remember.

And while Lucy lacks Loke, she still has Aquarius and Sagittarius. Not exactly weak.

Anyway, what if they swap partners? Kana might be better against Bixlow than she is against Fried, and with Fried as most of his enchantments are fairly specific, summoning may be a fairly good way to get around them.

we didn't??damn..i only remember about his fight with Mira..cuz that's the only one worth remembering..if they didn't even show the fight..that just prove that Fried is way to awesome for Kana and they didn't even bother to show the fight..

Aquarius and Sag is powerful..but not Loki powerful..well..maybe i just think that because to me..Lucy is worthless..

i don't know how well it'll be if they swap opponent..but if Lucy beat Fried..it will be by some stupid plot device..i can never agree that Lucy is anywhere near Fried class when she doesn't have Loki..

Q99

Aquarius likely has more raw power than Loke, not to mention she has Scorpio and Gemini now, Scorpio might be quite strong. Oh, and she got a magic whip from Edolas to boot.

Loke's overall probably her best... but she's hardly out of dangerous weapons or anything.

There's more to fighting than just "who's stronger." Fried's magic is basically a specific hax, and last time he had a prepared battlefield.

Lucy's fought some pretty darn powerful foes, like Angel. Between her new spirits and clever usage, there might be a lot she can do.

Despite their misgivings, I see the teams as pretty evenly matched.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Aquarius likely has just as much if not more raw power than Loke, not to mention she has Scorpio and Gemini and Ares now too, and Scorpio might be quite strong. Oh, and she got a magic whip from Edolas to boot.

Loke's overall more useful... but she's hardly out of dangerous weapons or anything.

There's more to fighting than just "who's stronger." Fried's magic is basically a specific hax, and if you can get around his hax you aren't bad off most of the time.

Lucy's fought some pretty darn powerful foes, like Angel. Between her new spirits and clever usage, there might be a lot she can do.

Also Cana's not walking into a prepared battlefield either. Well, we'll see what she can do.

Just don't count this team out is my point, I don't think they necessarily need a plot device to win.

Fried can just torture Lucy with his rune like he did to elfman and Kana..he torture Kana with his rune until she is KO..if he need to get physical..he can turn into a demon..he actually go toe to toe with demon Mira in this form..althou he got stomp when Mira started using her magical power..but physically..he's about equal to Mira's demon form..none of Lucy spirit can even compare to Fried..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Fried can just torture Lucy with his rune like he did to elfman and Kana..he torture Kana with his rune until she is KO..if he need to get physical..he can turn into a demon..he actually go toe to toe with demon Mira in this form..althou he got stomp when Mira started using her magical power..but physically..he's about equal to Mira's demon form..none of Lucy spirit can even compare to Fried..

Almost all of which is melee oriented, and Scorpio has a big gun.

Also, what if Gemini copies Fried? Then it can un-do his runes and enchantments as he does them ala Levy.

This time, they will have a much better idea of what they're up against.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Almost all of which is melee oriented, and Scorpio has a big gun.

Also, what if Gemini copies Fried? Then it can un-do his runes and enchantments as he does them ala Levy.

This time, they will have a much better idea of what they're up against.

ahh..i forgot about Gemini..she may have a chance then..but that's about it..i still think the others are useless and can't even compare to Fried..

BloodRain

Originally posted by Q99
They don't seem better off than Levy and Gajeel, unless Mest's noticeably stronger than Gajeel..
Have a feeling he is. He almost pasted last time, where someone like Gray went quite badly. Trained under Mystgun and is a crowd favourite.

And why can Fried compete but not Gajeel?

draxx_tOfU

I'm actually wondering why Juvia can compete and not Gajeel...

Erza saying that it's too early for him is a bit vague considering both Juvia and Gajeel joined at the same time and have both proven their loyalty...

dadudemon

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
I'm actually wondering why Juvia can compete and not Gajeel...

Erza saying that it's too early for him is a bit vague considering both Juvia and Gajeel joined at the same time and have both proven their loyalty...

Because Natsu beat Gajeel...sort of. Natsu still loses to Erza, until he beats her to get through the pass. lol!

I hope Natsu fights Ersa and beats her armor off...lol.

BloodRain

The same way Gray beat Juvia? Though it could be that Makarov's just ticked that he was the one who busted the guild.

Q99

I'd say it's based on emotional maturity more, not power.

Natsu and Gray likely didn't compete last year because they were felt to be too much of hotheads, would be my guess.

Also it does leave a strong partner in the mix.

draxx_tOfU

If its based more on emotional maturity, then Gajeel should have been considered more than Juvia imo...

guess we'll find out soon enough...

Slaanesh

i was right..Lucy and Cana win with some stupid plot..

Q99

Aw, I would've liked a knock-down drag-out fight. After Aquarius the girls had an edge in position, they could've won for real.

Well, Natsu vs Gildartz. How hard could a guy with one arm be? wink

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Aw, I would've liked a knock-down drag-out fight. After Aquarius the girls had an edge in position, they could've won for real.

Well, Natsu vs Gildartz. How hard could a guy with one arm be? wink

no..just no..the guys wasn't even serious..

hard enough to give Natsu a beat down i bet..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no..just no..the guys wasn't even serious..

That doesn't change they were still hit by Aquarius who packs a ton of punch, and the girls were in a good position to follow up.

The fact that they chose to gave up doesn't mean they necessarily would've won.

And heck, the girls didn't exactly start really serious either (Virgo?), before using Aquarius at least.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
That doesn't change they were still hit by Aquarius who packs a ton of punch, and the girls were in a good position to follow up.

The fact that they chose to gave up doesn't mean they necessarily would've won.

And heck, the girls didn't exactly start really serious either (Virgo?), before using Aquarius at least.

they were planing to lose from the start..they didn't give up no expression

they said that themself..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
they were planing to lose from the start..they didn't give up no expression

they said that themself..

Doesn't mean they weren't hit by a big wave of water and wouldn't stand a good chance of losing even if they fought for real.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Doesn't mean they weren't hit by a big wave of water and wouldn't stand a good chance of losing even if they fought for real.

well..they didn't fought for real so u can never know wink

and how do u know they weren't faking to be KO??i can easily says that they pretend to be KO cuz they wanted to let Lucy and Cana think they have won..they woke up just after Lucy left and they were perfectly fine..anyone can see that they were just pretending..the wave didn't do shit to them..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
well..they didn't fought for real so u can never know wink

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
They weren't really out, but Aquarius is one of the strongest Celestial Spirits, there's no way they weren't affected.

i don't think they were..
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/66923423/15
judging from that panel..i am sure they are perfectly fine..

Fried tank a blast from demon Mira and didn't get KO..that's a blast from a piss off S rank mage..i doubt a mere water wave would do him any significant harm..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i don't think they were..
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/66923423/15
judging from that panel..i am sure they are perfectly fine..

Fried looks shaken at the least.

He was in his demon transformation at that point and Mirajane's own water wave did a number on him.

Aquarius has often been stated to be really powerful, and at the least put the girls in a better battlefield position, knocking down all of Bixlow's dolls and throwing both of them around.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Fried looks shaken at the least.

He was in his demon transformation at that point and Mirajane's own water wave did a number on him.

Aquarius has often been stated to be really powerful, and at the least put the girls in a better battlefield position, knocking down all of Bixlow's dolls and throwing both of them around.

no he didn't??where the hell did u see him shaken??

it was still Fried..he can transform anytime..and plz don't compare Mira magic with Aquarius..she's no where near Mira in term of magic power..

the water didn't put the girl in a better position..they were knock around by it too laughing

seriously dude..Aquarius won't be of any help to them..

killermover

The girls in Fairy Tail are boring. None of them are funny or interesting. Erza of all people are to serious and toolish. Lucy is childlike but other than being a whore, she's the flatest female lead I've ever seen. Nami from One Piece should give her pointers.

Q99

Yes killermover, you're biased against Fairy Tail, we get it. Move on.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
no he didn't??where the hell did u see him shaken??

Soggy, out-of-sorts, he definitely didn't get up as quickly as Bixlow did.

But he wasn't transformed when he was hit, so he didn't have the defensive boost, so he would be more effected in his normal state.

It's still really powerful magic.

Except they were braced behind rocks.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
Soggy, out-of-sorts, he definitely didn't get up as quickly as Bixlow did.

But he wasn't transformed when he was hit, so he didn't have the defensive boost, so he would be more effected in his normal state.

It's still really powerful magic.

Except they were braced behind rocks.

i'm board with this argument already..lets just agree to disagree..

u can continue thinking Lucy and Cana is awesome..i will stay with my opinion that they are nothing but trash compare to Fried and Bixlow..

Q99

Considering where they are, we're sure to find out by the end of the story anyway smile

Q99

Both Juvia and Elfman really got screwed by their choice of foes smile

Gildart's magic is weird.

Mest and Gray and Levi, I wonder who has the 'luck'?

Slaanesh

i bet it'll be Mest and he'll win this and become an S class mage..

Q99

This is still just the first round.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
This is still just the first round.

i know..when i said this..i mean the whole trial..

Q99

I think he'll need more character development before we can call it.

I also wouldn't be surprised if despite the original plan, multiple are allowed to pass.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
I think he'll need more character development before we can call it.

I also wouldn't be surprised if despite the original plan, multiple are allowed to pass.

he's mistgun disciple..that's all the development we need uhuh

yup..i wouldn't be surprised too..if u have to choose one..who do u think will win this??

Q99

If only one does, I'd say Cana, she seems to have some deep personal reasons.

If more do, Mest, Natsu, Juvia, and Gray are all in the running.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by Q99
If only one does, I'd say Cana, she seems to have some deep personal reasons.

If more do, Mest, Natsu, Juvia, and Gray are all in the running.

yup..she's probably gonna win because of that..base on her power thou..she is not worthy to be an S class..

Q99

Originally posted by Slaanesh
yup..she's probably gonna win because of that..base on her power thou..she is not worthy to be an S class..

Considering we've yet to see her best tricks, or much of her fighting at all, I think it's too early to judge.

dadudemon

I like Natsu the best, so far, because he's the most loyal and the most "never give up" type of Mage. He's also funny at times.

He would be the type that represents me, the best: but he doesn't fight with any sort of good stragies, which is where we differ. I'm a "power strategist." So I guess that makes me more like Laxus?

Anyway, feel free to say which character you like best and/or which one best represents you.

As for the current fighting, I hope Natsu wins, so bad.

Slaanesh

Originally posted by dadudemon
As for the current fighting, I hope Natsu wins, so bad.

i'm sure Natsu gonna win..he's the main character..Gildartz gonna let him win..

RE: Blaxican

Originally posted by dadudemon
He would be the type that represents me, the best:

no expression

dadudemon

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
no expression

Don't make fun of me! weep

I'm a really big nerd that likes fiction! weep

BloodRain

Releasing his power brought down Natsu, and his full powered ultimate attack only managed to push him back a few feet.. Thats an intense level there.

Q99

Next week- three chapters? Sweet.

draxx_tOfU

Three chapters, that's awesome!...

So two teams have won via plot, and after Natsu passed I'm assuming the S-class supervisor's role is more on teaching(?), kinda like how parents tell you to pull weed to teach and build you character and stuff...

as an S-class, Erza pales in comparison to Gildarts, so I guess being an S-class isn't all about power, which is why I'm betting that should Cana win, it won't be due to raw power...

Q99

Not all about power, but it requires a lot. Heck, Erza was stronger than any of Phantom's S-classes.

Hm, here's a question: Who'd be stronger, Gildartz or the Master?

I mean, Erza's strong enough to be a wizard saint we're told, but, like, a Jura-level wizard saint (plus the advantage that she can always specialize against what the opponent has, at least with most types of foes. Lightning, water, or what have you), while Gildartz seems to be one of the strongest mages we've seen period.

draxx_tOfU

i agree...

I'd say that the Master is stronger, if only because he's the head, on the other hand, I'd also say that Gildarts is easily wizard saint level, I dunno, maybe half a step below Master I guess...

makes you wonder how friggin strong the dragons are if they could easily defeat Gildarts...

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
i agree...

I'd say that the Master is stronger, if only because he's the head, on the other hand, I'd also say that Gildarts is easily wizard saint level, I dunno, maybe half a step below Master I guess...

But the Makarov's also getting somewhat old. It might be he's not in his prime any more, while Gildartz, aside from his wounds, is.

I'm guessing stronger than anyone we've seen.

None of the dragon slayers we know are likely fully developed.

draxx_tOfU

But yeah, Gildarts can potentially surpass (if he's not already there) current Makarov...

If age is an indication then prime Makarov was a beast, it's just hard to compare since both Gildarts and Makarov, especially prime Makarov have little to no feats...

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
Not all about power, but it requires a lot. Heck, Erza was stronger than any of Phantom's S-classes.

Hm, here's a question: Who'd be stronger, Gildartz or the Master?

I mean, Erza's strong enough to be a wizard saint we're told, but, like, a Jura-level wizard saint (plus the advantage that she can always specialize against what the opponent has, at least with most types of foes. Lightning, water, or what have you), while Gildartz seems to be one of the strongest mages we've seen period.

Indeed Gildartz was there to test both the power and the "resolve" of the wizard. Natsu had to be powerful enough to actually get him to move because he said that he passed once he got Gildartz to move/take a step. But, since gildartz is like Natsu, it wasn't done until Natsu could admit that he couldn't win against someone as powerful as Gildartz.

As for your other points, daaaaaaang! I'm almost positive that Gildartz is the most powerful wizard we have seen. Gildartz was causing an earthquake on the other side of the island. It was similar to spirit pressure in bleach in that it caused Natsu to collapse and sweat once he got close enough. I don't care that it's a rip-off of Bleach: it's still a very effective method in conveying power.

And, yeah, Erza's strength is in her speed and versatility of her armors. She can switch to an armor that matches/nulls the abilities of the other wizards she is fighting. She's strong, fast, and can null magic abilities with her armors...making her one of the most powerful wizards in the series.

killermover

Erza is turing slowly into a mary sue with all these armor haxes.

Q99

Originally posted by killermover
Erza is turing slowly into a mary sue with all these armor haxes.

"Slowly"? That's been her schtick from day one, and she's not even getting particularly more powerful. Is Natsu turning into a Gary Stu for having flame powers?

I don't think you quite know what a mary sue is.

draxx_tOfU

Yeah, wasn't it said from the beginning that she can change into like 150(?) armors, and we've been shown like 15 or so?...

Q99

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Yeah, wasn't it said from the beginning that she can change into like 150(?) armors, and we've been shown like 15 or so?...

Over a hundred, yea, though that includes non-magic outfits.

There's also some she keeps in her room because she has more than her storage limit too.

draxx_tOfU

Man, that face of Mest's at the end was creepy, guess we'll find out soon enough why the others can't remember much of him just like Mystogan...

and YEEEAAHH, Elfman advances!...

Q99

Lesse, Loke considers Cana a threat, but below Natsu and Fried.

Lucy's wearing a shirt by the brand that makes Erza's armor.

Levy got the lucky path (not a big surprise).

Erza's a badass big grin

Elfman totally took advantage of sisterly love XD

And there's something up with Mest!

dadudemon

So like...I wanted to know how Elfman took her out. He said it was underhanded/dirty. Incest? Teehee.

Still, I find it sucks that Erza is like...super S class for a mage for the trials...I wanted to see some Luvia love.

And why was the master looking so shocked?

Q99

Originally posted by dadudemon

Still, I find it sucks that Erza is like...super S class for a mage for the trials...I wanted to see some Luvia love.

Well, Water Empress armor and all.

I wouldn't have minded seeing what Lisanna can do...

I think that's the master's "Why can't my people learn how to hold back??" look.

Q99

Next two are out!

Hah, so that's how Elfman pulled a win smile

And Zeref ?!? That's... bad. Especially since Mest seems to have some interest in him.

Oh yea, and Grimoire Heart of the Balam Alliance is moving to attack.

dadudemon

Well, it looks like Natsu is definitely an S-Class mage, now. He probably passed this portion of the exam because he fought to save others.

This is very similar to the "working as a team" in Naruto, Kakashi's exam.

Still, I like that way being the way Natsu becomes an S-Class.

Also, Zeref was just sleeping? Lame. It looks like the idea from Zardoz stolen to characterize Zeref: an immortal that yearns for death but cannot have it.

draxx_tOfU

and why does Zeref know Natsu? and why does everybody have to look like Jellal? at least to me...

Q99

I don't think he's supposed to be a Jellal or anything.

We've known for awhile he wasn't really dead, but we don't know the full deal.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, it looks like Natsu is definitely an S-Class mage, now. He probably passed this portion of the exam because he fought to save others.

This one's "find the grave," I don't think it's a trust exercise kind of thing.

draxx_tOfU

I meant his looks is sorta molded from Jellal or whatever that means...

Neway, Happy Halloween all!...

Q99

I think he's even bishier.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
This one's "find the grave," I don't think it's a trust exercise kind of thing.

See my comment about the "work as a team" from Naruto?

The goal was to get the bells.

But the real goal was to work as a team. no expression

NOW do you see what I mean about Natsu already passing the second portion? The real goal is to not find the grave but to help others, work as a team, be selfless, or some shit.

Also, Natsu was like, "B*TCH! Get your T-Rex wanna be ass outta my shit! *KAPOW, MUTH ****A!*"

I lulz'd. Everyone else was like, "OMG!!! WTF??? RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!"

Slaanesh

well..the monster that was chasing Natsu was kinda lame and not scary at all..it can even talk laughing

Q99

Originally posted by dadudemon
See my comment about the "work as a team" from Naruto?

The goal was to get the bells.

But the real goal was to work as a team. no expression

NOW do you see what I mean about Natsu already passing the second portion? The real goal is to not find the grave but to help others, work as a team, be selfless, or some shit.

But, it's a duo test to begin with and everyone's used to working as a team.

So I don't think that's it.

killermover

Natsu is just a disappointment, he's as one demensional as they come to shounen heroes and even Luffy himself is as close but since Natsu is a clone of him, meh. This exam just lacks him improving his character and going through it like any other thing he does, Nakama punch and Fire spam.

Erza is a straight up Mary Sue, I actually want to see Wendy and like someone said ...some Luvia. She's just to perfect. Wouldn't be surprise if she beats Gildarzts first before Natsu does.

Q99

You are an unreliable source on the issue of anything fairy tail.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
But, it's a duo test to begin with and everyone's used to working as a team.

So I don't think that's it.

You're still missing it. (You're not really missing it, you're just being difficult.)

If Natsu needed learn how to work with Happy, you may have a point.

If I were referring to the two people in each team needing to learn how to work with each other, you'd have a point.

Since neither holds true for my point, you don't have a point.

Q99

Sorry, I just don't see "getting multiple teams to work together," as a major goal in an S-class test for individuals smile

Hey, I could be wrong, but I'd bet against it.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
Sorry, I just don't see "getting multiple teams to work together," as a major goal in an S-class test for individuals smile

Hey, I could be wrong, but I'd bet against it.

If the test were for individuals, then you may have a point.

It's not an individual test, from its very premise.

Here is my point, outlined explicitly for you:

Since the test is completely internal to Fairy Tail, the real point of the second test would be to work as much as possible as "Fairy Tail." Sticking to the single units would not show that at all. The quest to find the grave is a red herring. Keep in mind that Fairy Tail is not about the power of individual mages: it's about the (prepare for the hippy stuff) love, companionship, and cohesion of the guild. Someone only self-serving should automatically fail the test. Serving only the two-man team would still be be within keeping to the Fairy Tail spirit. And so, Natsu, usually a solo-gunslinger, selflessly assisted his team-mates, not knowing if this was part of the test or not (until shit got real). By that merit and by Manga standards of "testing X character to see if X character can pass the test", he passed the test.

I did not think I would have to outline something so simple. Me thinks you were just being difficult because:

A. You did not like my point.

B. Were bored.

C. You it's true but do not want it to be.

D. A combination of the above 3.

Amirite? awesome

When Marakov and/or Erza reveal that to be the point (or one of the points) of the second test, I will not be surprised.

killermover

Originally posted by Q99
You are an unreliable source on the issue of anything fairy tail. I know enough to know it sucks. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Q99

Well, I'm saying I disagree with your assertion that it's likely. I'm not saying that just to be contrary, and I got your point to begin with, but I'm glad you outlined it in more detail because it explains why you think it's that thing.

The reason I disagree is because, after all, the reason he had to help them wasn't part of the test. If Zeref here was part of the actual challenge (like if Fairy Tail had a pet monster-guardian that was too strong for any team), then I'd agree with your logic, but he appears to be just an outside X-factor.

Not helping others if something else comes along may be an automatic failure, but I don't think helping teammates is an automatic pass, the intended purpose of this part of the test is unknown because there's no part of the test itself that has required mutual assistance. So far it's just a race/search.

Do you now see my point?

Q99

Originally posted by killermover
I know enough to know it sucks. roll eyes (sarcastic)

If you don't like it, maybe you should leave the thread entirely?

I mean, we know Erza's a pretty flawed individual, and complaining about a protagonist using one type of power which is their thing in a universe where most people use just one type of magic is pretty dumb, and just piping up to say 'FT sucks' occasionally is kinda annoying and you don't seem to actually enjoy it here. So what's the point?

killermover

Erza is about as flawed as Kurapika or Sesshomaru.

And Yea the protagonist is one demensional in all aspects and has no motives or intriguing backround. He's just a dumb and brash kid who was raised by a dragon and wants to find daddy.

He rivals Ichigo in being the least interesting main lead in shonen.

But despite all that I said I like other characters, I just don't like the main ones.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
Well, I'm saying I disagree with your assertion that it's likely. I'm not saying that just to be contrary, and I got your point to begin with, but I'm glad you outlined it in more detail because it explains why you think it's that thing.

The reason I disagree is because, after all, the reason he had to help them wasn't part of the test. If Zeref here was part of the actual challenge (like if Fairy Tail had a pet monster-guardian that was too strong for any team), then I'd agree with your logic, but he appears to be just an outside X-factor.

Not helping others if something else comes along may be an automatic failure, but I don't think helping teammates is an automatic pass, the intended purpose of this part of the test is unknown because there's no part of the test itself that has required mutual assistance. So far it's just a race/search.

Do you now see my point?

I see your point, sort of.

Not helping others from certain death would be an automatic failure.

Helping out others by perceiving this "new" guy as an instant enemy should certainly be S-Class intuition on top of helping your opposing team-mates from certain death.

2 very good reasons that it is a a sure way into S-Class for Natsu.

On top of that, the second test portion just seems like it's there to see if the other teams will cooperate because of how open it is. An S-Class is a leader: if they organized or lead a search party while sacrificing the chance to find the grave but increasing the chance for someone to pass, that also seems like a more likely way to become S-Class. (no one did that, really...)

My way makes more sense in terms of testing a mage to become a leader in the guild and it happens to fall in line with typical themes from manga, in general.

Also, helping out against Zeref should be an automatic promotion to S-Class, especially because he saved the others from death and also immediately recognized him as immensely evil/powerful.

Q99

I'll point out beating Jellal or Nirvana didn't get an automatic S-class either.

Or alternatively, it could have some challenges they just haven't gotten to yet. It really could be a race/search mission, a test of mental skills as much as the first one was about power and physical skills.

If it's a teamwork mission, I expect the objective to be one that somehow incorporates teamwork. All it is, though, is "Get to the grave within 6 hours, where the master is waiting."

As-of yet, there hasn't been anything to indicate number 2 is the 'teamwork mission.'

Hm.... I wonder if three'll be the 'teamwork mission'. Since teamwork is so important to Fairy Tail, I could easily see it being the final objective and test, not the half-way one.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
I'll point out beating Jellal or Nirvana didn't get an automatic S-class either.

Or alternatively, it could have some challenges they just haven't gotten to yet. It really could be a race/search mission, a test of mental skills as much as the first one was about power and physical skills.

If it's a teamwork mission, I expect the objective to be one that somehow incorporates teamwork. All it is, though, is "Get to the grave within 6 hours, where the master is waiting."

As-of yet, there hasn't been anything to indicate number 2 is the 'teamwork mission.'

Hm.... I wonder if three'll be the 'teamwork mission'. Since teamwork is so important to Fairy Tail, I could easily see it being the final objective and test, not the half-way one.

Searching for a grave on a mid-sized island does not seem like a test of mental skills, unless it's mental fortitude. That portion of the test, minus Zeref, has been nothing but battle big ass animals on the island. It's closer to finding a needle in a haystack.

This is why it can't possibly he "real" reason for the test.

And, technically, the first test was the "team-work" portion. The second portion COULD be "guild-work".

Also, I thought that the third test would be a sparring match with the master. smile

Q99

New chapter's out

Zeref's gone already, huh?

And guild war~!

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
New chapter's out

Zeref's gone already, huh?

And guild war~!

It's just as I suspected: it's a "mental" test on the surface but probably some other sort of test...like actual teamwork among the teams or something.

Gray incorrectly said it was a test about intelligence and greed...so highly unlikely at this point. Lucy may be on to something.

Also, are we supposed to think Lucy is the most intelligent out of the bunch or something? They were all like...on her...waiting for her to figure it out.

Q99

I think it's premature to state what the objective is when we don't actually know the challenges involved yet. Though intelligence does seem like it's one component of it at least.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Also, are we supposed to think Lucy is the most intelligent out of the bunch or something? They were all like...on her...waiting for her to figure it out.

It was just Gray and Loke spying.

Lucy is pretty clever and they probably figured she'd get it sooner, since they both know her.

I bet most of the others wouldn't spy though. Levy can figure on her own, maybe Evergreen can too. Natsu's not one for such methods either.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Q99
I think it's premature to state what the objective is when we don't actually know the challenges involved yet. Though intelligence does seem like it's one component of it at least.

Well, we know from Gray's statement that it definitely incorrect...as it is almost glaringly obvious that he's wrong when he makes a statement like that. It's sort of like a tropes thing.

Originally posted by Q99
It was just Gray and Loke spying.

Lucy is pretty clever and they probably figured she'd get it sooner, since they both know her.

I bet most of the others wouldn't spy though. Levy can figure on her own, maybe Evergreen can too. Natsu's not one for such methods either.

It wasn't just Lucy: her partner commented about how Lucy would figure it out, as well. So, it was everyone around her that thought that.

Also, Natsu seems to have figured out shit even more than anyone else, imo.

Q99

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, we know from Gray's statement that it definitely incorrect...as it is almost glaringly obvious that he's wrong when he makes a statement like that. It's sort of like a tropes thing.

Yea, he is a bit silly there.

"Greed," Gray? Really? smile

Yea, but Cana's no smarter than Gray. Among these four, Lucy's the brainy one.

Her, Levy, and Evergreen are the ones I'd expect to think it through.

He might not be the smartest but he has pretty good intuition. Assuming he's right at least, which wouldn't surprise me.