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Which copycat characters are hands down more powerful than the original characters they were copied from?

Batman

Thanos

King Hyperion>Superman
Sentry>Superman
Gladiator>Superman
Silver Surfer>Colossus
Colossus>Metal Head
Colossus>Iron Clad
Juggernaut>DoomsDay
WWH>Solomon Grundy
DeathStroke>DeadPool
Moonknight>Batman
Flash>QuickSilver
The Mask>Joker
Molecule Man>Atom Smasher

Originally posted by Mshinu
Thanos

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
King Hyperion>Superman
Sentry>Superman
Gladiator>Superman
Silver Surfer>Colossus
Colossus>Metal Head
Colossus>Iron Clad
Juggernaut>DoomsDay
WWH>Solomon Grundy
DeathStroke>DeadPool
Moonknight>Batman
Flash>QuickSilver
The Mask>Joker
Molecule Man>Atom Smasher

Silver Surfer is a rip off of Colossus? Juggernaut is a rip off of Doomsday? FLASH is a rip off of Quicksilver?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
King Hyperion>Superman
Sentry>Superman
Gladiator>Superman
Silver Surfer>Colossus
Colossus>Metal Head
Colossus>Iron Clad
Juggernaut>DoomsDay
WWH>Solomon Grundy
DeathStroke>DeadPool
Moonknight>Batman
Flash>QuickSilver
The Mask>Joker
Molecule Man>Atom Smasher facepalm

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
King Hyperion>Superman
Sentry>Superman
Gladiator>Superman
Silver Surfer>Colossus
Colossus>Metal Head
Colossus>Iron Clad
Juggernaut>DoomsDay
WWH>Solomon Grundy
DeathStroke>DeadPool
Moonknight>Batman
Flash>QuickSilver
The Mask>Joker
Molecule Man>Atom Smasher

I think you might misunderstood the thread...

EDIT: Originally posted by psycho gundam
facepalm

Thanos isn't more powerful than the PC depiction of Darkseid upon whom he is based.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
King Hyperion>Superman
Sentry>Superman
Gladiator>Superman
Silver Surfer>Colossus
Colossus>Metal Head
Colossus>Iron Clad
Juggernaut>DoomsDay
WWH>Solomon Grundy
DeathStroke>DeadPool
Moonknight>Batman
Flash>QuickSilver
The Mask>Joker
Molecule Man>Atom Smasher
Holy shit there's so much wrong with this list.

profiling it

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Holy shit there's so much wrong with this list.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Thanos isn't more powerful than the PC depiction of Darkseid upon whom he is based.

Holy shit there's so much wrong with this list. Thanos isnt a copy of Darksied he was orginaly based on metron.

like what?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos isnt a copy of Darksied he was orginaly based on metron.
I've heard that too but I haven't ever seen proof of it. Although I do vaguely remember a story about how Thanos was originally drawn skinny like Metron and someone (Starlin probably) said to make him look more buff.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
like what?
First off some of those characters are either not at all related to the others you've paired them with or they are and you reversed who copied whom.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
First off some of those characters are either not at all related to the others you've paired them with or they are and you reversed who copied whom. name them. (the ones who are not related)

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I've heard that too but I haven't ever seen proof of it. Although I do vaguely remember a story about how Thanos was originally drawn skinny like Metron and someone (Starlin probably) said to make him look more buff.

IIRC I've read somewhere that Thanos originally was based on a Darkseid that wasn't the Darkseid we know nowadays at that time his name was Dr. Darkseid or something can anyone tell me if that's true or complete bullshit?

Well, in Marvel vs. DC and JLA vs. Avengers, the comparisons to Thanos and Darkseid were made quite apparently, so I would imagine Thanos is more based after Darkseid.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
name them. (the ones who are not related)

You just went be apperance like Colossus + Surfer, Deathstroke + Deadpool, this thread is meant to point out charcters that are really ripped off of others like Batman is a rip off of Zorro and yes Batman is more powerful than Zorro so I stated Batman you stated a lot of weird stuff based on their look/appereance and even if that would be the case you should just have stated the one where the ripp off is more powerful than the original

Isn`t Deadpool a ripoff of Deathstroke? Even their names are similar.

To be fair, Deadpool was originally a Captain Ersatz of Deathstroke.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
name them. (the ones who are not related)
For starters SS and Colossus, WWH and Grundy, Molecule Man and Atom Smasher, Juggernaut and Doomsday, Flash and Quicksilver (I know that Flash came first by a long shot but I'm not sure if QS is actually based off of him in anymore than just an incidental way). Deathstroke and Deadpool are related but DS came first by ten years at least.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
IIRC I've read somewhere that Thanos originally was based on a Darkseid that wasn't the Darkseid we know nowadays at that time his name was Dr. Darkseid or something can anyone tell me if that's true or complete bullshit?
First I've heard of that. Darkseid I'm fairly certain first appeared in 1970 in an issue of Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen whereas Thanos appeared in 1972 in an Iron Man comic.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
To be fair, Deadpool was originally a Captain Ersatz of Deathstroke.
Yep, they even have the same names with two different letters:
Slade Wilson-Wade Wilson
Deathstroke-Deadpool

a naked colossus would look exactly like surfer .

also
Hulk IS a copy of solomon grundy...........

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
To be fair, Deadpool was originally a Captain Ersatz of Deathstroke.

Ok didn't knew about that BUT there's still a lot wrong with his list

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
a naked colossus would look exactly like surfer .

also
Hulk IS a copy of solomon grundy...........

No Stan Lee created him after the concept of Frankensteins Monster and Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde that's why Hulk had lot's of times that "squareish" head in the past

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
a naked colossus would look exactly like surfer .

Originally posted by Parmaniac
No Stan Lee created him after the concept of Frankensteins Monster and Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde that's why Hulk had lot's of times that "squareish" head in the past solomon gruundy is also based off frankeinstien monster...........

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
a naked colossus would look exactly like surfer .

also
Hulk IS a copy of solomon grundy...........
No he wouldn't.

And the only similarities are that they're strong and dumb. Solomon Grundy is a leaf zombie of a dead gangster who constantly reincarnates with varying strength and intelligence. Hulk is a manifestation of Banner's <insert psychological bullshit>.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
solomon gruundy is also based off frankeinstien monster...........
Wouldn't that make them both copies of Frankeinstein's monster?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I've heard that too but I haven't ever seen proof of it. Although I do vaguely remember a story about how Thanos was originally drawn skinny like Metron and someone (Starlin probably) said to make him look more buff. A guy posted the interview/quote on anther board a while ago, Starlin said Thanos meant to look like Metron but act like Darkseid. He made him look bulkier later on but gave him his floating chair to retain his Metron look.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
solomon gruundy is also based off frankeinstien monster...........

Yeah so BOTH are a rip off of Frankensteins Monster and not Hulk of Grundy or Grundy of Hulk...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
a naked colossus would look exactly like surfer .

also
Hulk IS a copy of solomon grundy...........
Not really
If anything the modern Solomon Grundy has been influenced by Hulk to be much bulkier than he was originally.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/714959-colossus_super.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38780/951441-silver_surfer_super.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38780/915986-silver_surfer_resurrection_super.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/714959-colossus_super.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38780/951441-silver_surfer_super.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38780/915986-silver_surfer_resurrection_super.jpg



Um, that still doesn't make one a rip off of the other. Not in any way, shape, or form.

It's like if Juggernaut and Xavier were naked they'd look exactly alike.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
a naked colossus would look exactly like surfer .

also
Hulk IS a copy of solomon grundy...........

no, he wouldn't.

colossus has body parts. he also has a partially segmented outer layer. and hair.

Hulk is a ripoff of Martian Manhunter because if they were naked then they'd be the same guy!

Originally posted by -Pr-
no, he wouldn't.

colossus has body parts. he also has a partially segmented outer layer. and hair. what do you mean?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
what do you mean?

a great big penis.

don't think i can be any more blunt than that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hulk is a ripoff of Martian Manhunter because if they were naked then they'd be the same guy! Martian Manhunter is a rip off of Piccolo.......

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hulk is a ripoff of Martian Manhunter because if they were naked then they'd be the same guy! hulk is far bigger

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Martian Manhunter is a rip off of Piccolo.......

except that MM predates him by about 20-30 odd years.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Martian Manhunter is a rip off of Piccolo.......

You're confusing "rip-off" with "looks similar".

Originally posted by -Pr-
except that MM predates him by about 20-30 odd years.
Actually more like 50. I'm pretty sure he's a Golden age character.

Originally posted by -Pr-
except that MM predates him by about 20-30 odd years.

Only because Piccolo needed time to travel to earth

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Actually more like 50. I'm pretty sure he's a Golden age character.

yeah, my bad.

Anyway...Fantastic Four

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Anyway...Fantastic Four

Hank Henshaw.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Actually more like 50. I'm pretty sure he's a Golden age character.

What MM is over 70 years old?

Originally posted by -Pr-
yeah, my bad.
Actually I just checked and its close to 40, 1955 is MM's first appearance. He's actually credited along with Hal Jordan and Barry Allen as starting the Silver Age of Comics.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hank Henshaw.

Verily!

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hank Henshaw.

Is a rip off of the Terminator if they would be naked they would look exactly the same...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What MM is over 70 years old?
Chronologically? I dunno I think he's supposed to be centuries old. He's biologically immortal more or less.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Chronologically? I dunno I think he's supposed to be centuries old. He's biologically immortal more or less.

nono I meant the "comic creation age" but I already read your other post

Though it's not really "ripoff", I'd say their concepts are pretty similiar enough to go with this one: Ion Entity

PC Mongul was stronger than Thanos but a lot dumber and less ambitious.

thanos busted a planet in his debut issue

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thanos busted a planet in his debut issue
And PC Mongul beat the shit out of a guy who sneezed a planet away.

Originally posted by Nihilist
A guy posted the interview/quote on anther board a while ago, Starlin said Thanos meant to look like Metron but act like Darkseid. He made him look bulkier later on but gave him his floating chair to retain his Metron look.

Now im starting to compare the looks lol... hmmm Thanos does look a like a very bulky evil version of Metron ...a little bit...(im possibly high right now)....

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And PC Mongul beat the shit out of a guy who sneezed a planet away. but couldn't replicate that same feat himself....that's pre-crisis for ya

and don't say it's not in his powerset so he can't replicate it

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but couldn't replicate that same feat himself....that's pre-crisis for ya

and don't say it's not in his powerset so he can't replicate it
He never tried sneezing away a planet now did he?

Mongul is easily a planet buster. Or do you not believe PC Superman could destroy a planet?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/R6pRbckJHyI/AAAAAAAAFV0/aITHq0nL2fU/s400/Thanos_Mongul.jpg

talk about ripp off huh?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He never tried sneezing away a planet now did he?

Mongul is easily a planet buster. Or do you not believe PC Superman could destroy a planet? hard to say, pc superman's power go from liberia's GNP to america's on writer's whim, mongul could have caught him on a bad day *shrugs*

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos isnt a copy of Darksied he was orginaly based on metron. Thanos is a copy of Mongul

Edit.

Just realized the thread is asking for the opposite.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
hard to say, pc superman's power go from liberia's GNP to america's on writer's whim, mongul could have caught him on a bad day *shrugs*
Not at all. In FTMWHE Mongul took the full fury of a pissed beyond reckoning SUperman and survived. He fought PC Supes at his best and dominated most of the fight.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thanos is a copy of Mongul
Nope, Mongul is a Thanos clone, making him a copy of a copy.

he didn't try sneezing at him though kid (which is good since i actually love that story)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he didn't try sneezing at him though kid (which is good since i actually love that story)
I think its safe to say that anyone who can take a bloodlusted PC Kryptonian's punches to the face has mad durability.

almost as strong as the fortress of solitude's structural integrity since it withstood the shock waves of said blows.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
almost as strong as the fortress of solitude's structural integrity since it withstood the shock waves of said blows.
It was built by Superman, of course it could withstand it. It's the Silver Age planets could be pushed by hand instead of crumbling due to the force exerted on their surfaces.

stop trying to make sense of this, it was retconned for a reason

Originally posted by psycho gundam
stop trying to make sense of this, it was retconned for a reason
I wasn't trying to make sense of it, I just pointed out the senselessness of trying to point out things like shockwaves not wrecking the Fortress of Solitude. In PC days everything worked according to the demands of the writers so if they didn't want the Fortress to be annihilated by planet busting attack shockwaves then it wasn't annihilated.

precisely, and it goes vastly the other way depending on the temperature of the office that day.

*achoo* there goes a dead galaxy, luckily supes accidentally sneezed in that arbitrary direction or else we would have a bigger problem on our hands

Originally posted by psycho gundam
precisely, and it goes vastly the other way depending on the temperature of the office that day.

*achoo* there goes a dead galaxy, luckily supes accidentally sneezed in that arbitrary direction or else we would have a bigger problem on our hands
If anything that feat was just being honest about the sort of strength Superman possessed. He shouldn't have been able to realistically interact with humans since his breath would probably blow a house down. If his cardiac muscle was of similar strength to his skeletal muscle then his heart beats alone would be like a hundred atomic bombs.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but couldn't replicate that same feat himself....that's pre-crisis for ya

and don't say it's not in his powerset so he can't replicate it
Of course he couldn't replicate it, he was never exposed to the magical dust that enabled the sneeze(one time feat involving magic... you do the math).

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/R6pRbckJHyI/AAAAAAAAFV0/aITHq0nL2fU/s400/Thanos_Mongul.jpg

talk about ripp off huh?

haha wow

green arrow is a copy of hawkeye

Originally posted by chomperx9
green arrow is a copy of hawkeye

No, he's not.

Sentry is a copy of God

Originally posted by psycho gundam
stop trying to make sense of this, it was retconned for a reason

Oh thanks I thought I was alone on this...

There are about 7 wolverine rip offs running around lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
There are about 7 wolverine rip offs running around lol
really 7? Can you count them?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Radiant_%28comics%29.jpg ....... http://inspirationoflyric.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dr-manhattan-3.jpg

The Radiant & Dr. Manhattan: separated at birth? (except one still has his toes and genitals).

Originally posted by Battlehammer
There are about 7 wolverine rip offs running around lol

and i'm sure most of them are related to him, which makes it worse.

Originally posted by Mindship
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Radiant_%28comics%29.jpg ....... http://inspirationoflyric.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dr-manhattan-3.jpg

The Radiant & Dr. Manhattan: separated at birth? (except one still has his toes and genitals).

radiant always struck me as being a silver surfer type as opposed to a manhattan one.

Originally posted by -Pr-
radiant always struck me as being a silver surfer type as opposed to a manhattan one. It was the poorly applied eye shadow that threw me off.

Actually, I always thought a copycat of the Surfer was when Dr. Strange went through his bald blue phase.

Originally posted by Mindship
It was the poorly applied eye shadow that threw me off.

Actually, I always thought a copycat of the Surfer was when Dr. Strange went through his bald blue phase.

marvel has a copycat of surfer within their own universe?

Originally posted by -Pr-
marvel has a copycat of surfer within their own universe? Probably why no one ever questioned it. But every time I looked at the guy, I kept thinking, now he looks like the Surfer. By the time Radiant or Manhattan came around, I was used to it.

Since he was mentioned: are there any obvious Surfer copycats (ie, simple design, rides a special platform)? Is it possible to design a platform-riding character w/o it being a Surfer rip-off?

Originally posted by Mindship
Probably why no one ever questioned it. But every time I looked at the guy, I kept thinking, now he looks like the Surfer. By the time Radiant or Manhattan came around, I was used to it.

Since he was mentioned: are there any obvious Surfer copycats (ie, simple design, rides a special platform)? Is it possible to design a platform-riding character w/o it being a Surfer rip-off? Orion?

Originally posted by Mindship
Probably why no one ever questioned it. But every time I looked at the guy, I kept thinking, now he looks like the Surfer. By the time Radiant or Manhattan came around, I was used to it.

Since he was mentioned: are there any obvious Surfer copycats (ie, simple design, rides a special platform)? Is it possible to design a platform-riding character w/o it being a Surfer rip-off?

Black Racer?

The Golden Glider?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/8842/282457-186490-golden-glider_large.jpg

I heard that Kirby put Surfer on a board because he was sick of drawing spaceships. Good call Jack.

The Silver Spaceshipper... sounds aweful

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I heard that Kirby put Surfer on a board because he was sick of drawing spaceships. Good call Jack. That, and the Beach Boys were popular at the time. He figured a surfer character would also be cool.

Then again, given that everyone else in the 60s was flying around in fancy spandex, the simple "natural" look was quite unique. It's hard not to see later characters like the Radiant or Manhattan (or the Fallen One w/o hair) as copycats.

Originally posted by Mindship
That, and the Beach Boys were popular at the time. He figured a surfer character would also be cool.

Then again, given that everyone else in the 60s was flying around in fancy spandex, the simple "natural" look was quite unique. It's hard not to see later characters like the Radiant or Manhattan (or the Fallen One w/o hair) as copycats.
I don't think Dr. Manhattan is a Surfer clone at all. He's a copy of Captain Atom.

Takion>>Surfer
Orion=Thor
Gladiator<Superman
Doomsday>Hulk

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Takion>>Surfer
Orion=Thor
Gladiator<Superman
Doomsday>Hulk

DD isn't a ripp off of Hulk in any way

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think Dr. Manhattan is a Surfer clone at all. He's a copy of Captain Atom. Conceptually, yes. But DM and SS do share that simple, bald, au naturale look.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
DD isn't a ripp off of Hulk in any way sure he is.

his shtick is that he gets better as the fight goes on and he's a big, dumb brick that won't go down.

both rock pants that are seemingly indestructible.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
sure he is.

his shtick is that he gets better as the fight goes on and he's a big, dumb brick that won't go down.

both rock pants that are seemingly indestructible.

Are you joking or serios?

kinda serious i guess

he's not a hulk clone, more like a cousin

Originally posted by psycho gundam
kinda serious i guess

he's not a hulk clone, more like a cousin

Ok they may have similaritys but the differences are bigger IMO

Hulk: Accidently turned into the Hulk
DD: Created to be superior by a scientist

Hulk: Alternative Banner persona
DD: Just plain stupid

Hulk: Green
DD: Gray with stone spikes

Hulk: Insane HF
DD: Revives from the dead and can't be killed the same way twice

Hulk: gets stronger and stronger (and more durabel)
DD: Evolves, means gains completely new abilitys etc.

yeah both are dumb and strong but isn't Juggernaut also strong and "not so smart" or Abomination

I don't see DD as a rip off

I think Thing is the original comic book brick. I'm not sure though, perhaps that honor goes to Solomon Grundy.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
really 7? Can you count them?
X-23, Wild Child, Sabre-tooth, Romulas, Lady Death Strike, Kaine,Kurmar however it spelled lol. Lol they might even be more

Daken?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Ok they may have similaritys but the differences are bigger IMO

Hulk: Accidently turned into the Hulk
DD: Created to be superior by a scientist

Hulk: Alternative Banner persona
DD: Just plain stupid

Hulk: Green
DD: Gray with stone spikes

Hulk: Insane HF
DD: Revives from the dead and can't be killed the same way twice

Hulk: gets stronger and stronger (and more durabel)
DD: Evolves, means gains completely new abilitys etc.

yeah both are dumb and strong but isn't Juggernaut also strong and "not so smart" or Abomination

I don't see DD as a rip off

doesnt hulk adapt to things how too...for example cant he now breath in space

Hulk: inspired from Frankenstein & Jekyll/Hyde, classic man vs himself, wonderfully cathartic.

Doomsday: deliberate plot device designed to kill Superman.

Both are two of many bricks.

Hulk has a gland that allows him to adapt to hostile environments, he can breathe and talk in space/underwater.

Doomsday adapts to something that killed/hurt him, then it won't affect him anymore, or he develops a power to specifically counter the thing that hurt/killed him.

Hulk doesn't do anything to adapt in combat, he just gets stronger, more durable, and heals quicker.

Blockbuster SMASH!

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