GDS Orion vs WW Hulk

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Prep-Man
Orion as shown during Great Darkness Saga.

Q99
Wasn't that just a pseudo-Orion?

Prep-Man
It was until Highfather brought him back. Anyway, it was a lesser Orion, not the true Orion.

BattleMage
Either Orion<<WWH

Prep-Man
How so, buddy?

carver9
In a physical fight, Orion would get crushed but if he has his gear, bfring is his best option.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by carver9
In a physical fight, Orion would get crushed but if he has his gear, bfring is his best option.

GDS Orion did a pretty good job with GDS DS, who trashed the PC LOSH.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by BattleMage
Either Orion<<WWH
Not at all. WWH has no feats that even make him a contender against a full potential Orion, and PC Orion would stomp WWH without knowing he's in a fight. Don't forget this was a weakened version of PC Orion (who fought the PC JLA and nearly won) and even as a weakened lesser god he still made GDS DS work for a victory. He also swatted aside PC Superboy.

Tazer
Yo.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
GDS Orion did a pretty good job with GDS DS, who trashed the PC LOSH.


wait a minnit: as I recall the GDS-Orion's fight w/GDS-DS didnt really last all that long......AND he lost, so how exactly does that qualify as "a pretty good job"?




Tazer

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.




wait a minnit: as I recall the GDS-Orion's fight w/GDS-DS didnt really last all that long......AND he lost, so how exactly does that qualify as "a pretty good job"?




Tazer
Pretty good job as in it lasted longer than four panels and for a second it even appeared Orion had won. It's the same as Shazam's fight with the Spectre. Its a good showing in the sense they both thought for a moment they had a chance of winning.

quanchi112
WW Hulk wins.

Tazer
Yo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty good job as in it lasted longer than four panels and for a second it even appeared Orion had won. It's the same as Shazam's fight with the Spectre. Its a good showing in the sense they both thought for a moment they had a chance of winning.

wow....it lasted "longer than 4 panels".......consider me UNDER impressed.

wink

this was in no way a good showing, as knocking a person down ONCE is never a good indication of beating them, especially when theyre down for an extremely short amount of time.......and then come back up quickly FTW




Tazer

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



wow....it lasted "longer than 4 panels".......consider me UNDER impressed.

wink

this was in no way a good showing, as knocking a person down ONCE is never a good indication of beating them, especially when theyre down for an extremely short amount of time.......and then come back up quickly FTW




Tazer
It is impressive considering he was fighting an arguably cube level being who put a PC Daxamite in a coma with a casual blast.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It is impressive considering he was fighting an arguably cube level being who put a PC Daxamite in a coma with a casual blast. He was nowhere near cube level and the fact you would even insinuate as much shows a true bias in you.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was nowhere near cube level and the fact you would even insinuate as much shows a true bias in you.
I said arguably. stick out tongue
You probably don't even consider him skyfather and you're the last person who should be calling bias.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I said arguably. stick out tongue
You probably don't even consider him skyfather and you're the last person who should be calling bias. Skyfather and cube being are miles apart. What did he do to be considered an arguable cube level being?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
Skyfather and cube being are miles apart. What did he do to be considered an arguable cube level being?
Stripping Legionnaires of their powers with a wave of his hand, warping reality, casually pwning PC Kryptonians and Daxamites while weakened, owning Mordru and Time Trapper who are both elite Skyfathers, mind-controlling 2 billion daxamites who each presumably have the same tp resistance that all PC kryptonians had. Hell he had a Guardian of the Universe as a slave, and teleporting Daxam across the Universe (and dimensions) to the Fourth World in place of Apokolips where there was a yellow sun. If he's not a cube being he's certainly in the category in between Cubes and skyfathers.

carver9
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not at all. WWH has no feats that even make him a contender against a full potential Orion, and PC Orion would stomp WWH without knowing he's in a fight. Don't forget this was a weakened version of PC Orion (who fought the PC JLA and nearly won) and even as a weakened lesser god he still made GDS DS work for a victory. He also swatted aside PC Superboy.

laughing , LOL at this statement. WWH strength feats surpass Orion. Hp Doomsday ran through Orion in less than two panels. Something like that would never happen to WWH.

WWH would annihilate Orion in a fist match and I dont know where you get the idea that he cant.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Stripping Legionnaires of their powers with a wave of his hand, warping reality, casually pwning PC Kryptonians and Daxamites while weakened, owning Mordru and Time Trapper who are both elite Skyfathers, mind-controlling 2 billion daxamites who each presumably have the same tp resistance that all PC kryptonians had. Hell he had a Guardian of the Universe as a slave, and teleporting Daxam across the Universe (and dimensions) to the Fourth World in place of Apokolips where there was a yellow sun. If he's not a cube being he's certainly in the category in between Cubes and skyfathers. When did he warp reality?

Stealing powers is stealing powers and Ruk has done the same thing. Darkseid had the element of surprise on his side. From what I have been told Moondragon also mindcontrolled an entire planet so....Thanos beat her in a mind war.

A pre dos DD took it to the entire green lantern corps with the aid of a gl ring so having one as a slave means nothing at all to me all things considering.

None of these feats to mean even approach Thanos or Odin level.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Stripping Legionnaires of their powers with a wave of his hand, warping reality, casually pwning PC Kryptonians and Daxamites while weakened, owning Mordru and Time Trapper who are both elite Skyfathers, mind-controlling 2 billion daxamites who each presumably have the same tp resistance that all PC kryptonians had. Hell he had a Guardian of the Universe as a slave, and teleporting Daxam across the Universe (and dimensions) to the Fourth World in place of Apokolips where there was a yellow sun. If he's not a cube being he's certainly in the category in between Cubes and skyfathers.

He is far more powerful then Skyfathers. More like Galactus.

Anyway, GDS Orion stomps.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He is far more powerful then Skyfathers. More like Galactus.

Anyway, GDS Orion stomps. How is he more powerful than Odin?

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.




wait a minnit: as I recall the GDS-Orion's fight w/GDS-DS didnt really last all that long......AND he lost, so how exactly does that qualify as "a pretty good job"?




Tazer

Considering that none of the PC Legion could even make a dent, IIRC. Orion got some good clean hits and made a dent. Fought in the Fire pits and all.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by carver9
laughing , LOL at this statement. WWH strength feats surpass Orion. Hp Doomsday ran through Orion in less than two panels. Something like that would never happen to WWH.

WWH would annihilate Orion in a fist match and I dont know where you get the idea that he cant. Do you even have a f*cking clue who Gds Orion is?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Do you even have a f*cking clue who Gds Orion is? He was a shell of his former self. Color me not impressed.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was a shell of his former self. Color me not impressed. facepalm

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
facepalm That was actually a key point in the arc. I guess you only pick and choose what counts and what doesn't count.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was actually a key point in the arc. I guess you only pick and choose what counts and what doesn't count. Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
facepalm

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So do you think GDS Orion is greater than normal Orion?

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
So do you think GDS Orion is greater than normal Orion? Nah, it's not like he had the best performance against a character that was one shotting pc kyrptonians.no expression

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Nah, it's not like he had the best performance against a character that was one shotting pc kyrptonians.no expression The point was Orion was a shell of his former self. he knew he was going to lose so I don't see this Orion beating WW Hulk. I see WW Hulk beating him every single time.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point was Orion was a shell of his former self. he knew he was going to lose so I don't see this Orion beating WW Hulk. I see WW Hulk beating him every single time. So WW Hulk>Amped Kryptonians?smile

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So WW Hulk>Amped Kryptonians?smile

laughing

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point was Orion was a shell of his former self. he knew he was going to lose so I don't see this Orion beating WW Hulk. I see WW Hulk beating him every single time.
That doesn't help your case, if anything it just makes full powered PC Orion all the more impressive.
Anyway I can't see WWH lasting two seconds against GDS DS but Orion lasted long enough for him to think DS defeated and give a victory speech.

Prep-Man
Gah, why does Quan have to stink up my threads?!

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Gah, why does Quan have to stink up my threads?! Because it has a Dc character in it and he's a biased Marvel troll.smile

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Gah, why does Quan have to stink up my threads?!
If it makes you feel any better he ruins my threads just as often.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So WW Hulk>Amped Kryptonians?smile WW Hulk>GDS Orion. Why is it you always change the subject.Originally posted by Omega Vision
That doesn't help your case, if anything it just makes full powered PC Orion all the more impressive.
Anyway I can't see WWH lasting two seconds against GDS DS but Orion lasted long enough for him to think DS defeated and give a victory speech. What Darkseid did was immaterial as this isn't gds Seid it's gds Orion who was a shell of his former self.Originally posted by Prep-Man
Gah, why does Quan have to stink up my threads?! Why create a thread if you don't want it to be debated?Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Because it has a Dc character in it and he's a biased Marvel troll.smile I am not biased I am bringing up what was stated in gds. You want to ignore it.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk>GDS Orion. Why is it you always change the subject. Change subject? Gds Orion did better against Ds than any other character in the entire story........it's a major point that's relevant to the thread. I bet you think WWH could do better against Ds than Orion. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Change subject? Gds Orion did better against Ds than any other character in the entire story........it's a major point that's relevant to the thread. I bet you think WWH could do better against Ds than Orion. smile He was destined to lose. In fact it was a foregone conclusion he couldn't win. Not beating someone and not being able to win while being described as a shell of your former self isn't impressive.

wink

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was destined to lose. In fact it was a foregone conclusion he couldn't win. Not beating someone and not being able to win while being described as a shell of your former self isn't impressive.

wink So is that why Orion didn't beat Ds in that story?

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point was Orion was a shell of his former self. he knew he was going to lose so I don't see this Orion beating WW Hulk. I see WW Hulk beating him every single time.

Prep-Man
It actually is impressive and HF returned him to his OG state.

carver9
Originally posted by Prep-Man
It actually is impressive and HF returned him to his OG state.

Not as impressive as you're making it.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by carver9
no expression Gtfo.....

carver9
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
no expression Gtfo.....

No confused

Prep-Man
Originally posted by carver9
Not as impressive as you're making it.

LOL! How so?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So is that why Orion didn't beat Ds in that story? Because only the true warrior Orion could strike the death blow not this former shell of a warrior.

Prep-Man
The true orion showed up at the end. Via HF.

Hazsekswthurmom
Orion vs Darkseid

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-26.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-27.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-28.jpg
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http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg

Darkseid vs an amped Pre-crisis Superboy and Supergirl afterwards.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-29.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-32.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-33.jpg
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http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-35.jpg

Anyone who thinks WWH takes this is a complete moron.smile

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because only the true warrior Orion could strike the death blow not this former shell of a warrior. So this makes the feat less impressive how? If anything it's a testament to this Orion's power, for him to be able to hold his own against DS.smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Orion vs Darkseid

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-26.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-27.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-28.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg

Darkseid vs an amped Pre-crisis Superboy and Supergirl afterwards.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-29.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-32.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-33.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-34.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-35.jpg

Anyone who thinks WWH takes this is a complete moron.smile So, you are saying prep man created a spite thread and should be punished, right?

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
So, you are saying prep man created a spite thread and should be punished, right? Actually yeah.laughing out loud

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Actually yeah.laughing out loud I disagree. I think WW Hulk wins based on Orion being a shell of himself. The new gods time had passed.

carver9
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Orion vs Darkseid

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-26.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-27.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-28.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg

Darkseid vs an amped Pre-crisis Superboy and Supergirl afterwards.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-29.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-32.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-33.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-34.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-35.jpg

Anyone who thinks WWH takes this is a complete moron.smile

Supergirl did better than Orion and I still dont see anything Impressive from the Orion fight. Him landing one punch and then pushing Darkseid. confused

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. I think WW Hulk wins based on Orion being a shell of himself. The new gods time had passed. I rest my case.....Orion does significant damage to a high end skyfather and you blindly disregard it.......Originally posted by carver9
Supergirl did better than Orion and I still dont see anything Impressive from the Orion fight. Him landing one punch and then pushing Darkseid. confused Where you and Quan separated at birth?

carver9
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
I rest my case.....Orion does significant damage to a high end skyfather and you blindly disregard it....... Where you and Quan separated at birth?


LOL, no but just like a lot of other people on the boards, you are reading to much into something.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
I rest my case.....Orion does significant damage to a high end skyfather and you blindly disregard it....... Where you and Quan separated at birth?

Siam twins? I wonder who's got the bigger part of the brain. smile

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, no but just like a lot of other people on the boards, you are reading to much into something. Your an idiot, Supergirl only landed a few blows on Ds AFTER he fought Orion.........Orion was the reason he looked battle damage in those panels........even someone with poor eyesight can indicate Ds is having a hard time with Orion....Supergirl? All she did was attack him from behind, only to get manhandled later on.......this was with an amp........if you think WWH can anything remotely close to that, then you need your head checked.erm

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Siam twins? I wonder who's got the bigger part of the brain. smile I would say their was never a brain to begin with.smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
I rest my case.....Orion does significant damage to a high end skyfather and you blindly disregard it....... Where you and Quan separated at birth? He was nothing to worry about. WW Hulk tanked all out Grider blasts, adamantium shards, Zom/Strange, etc. Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Your an idiot, Supergirl only landed a few blows on Ds AFTER he fought Orion.........Orion was the reason he looked battle damage in those panels........even someone with poor eyesight can indicate Ds is having a hard time with Orion....Supergirl? All she did was attack him from behind, only to get manhandled later on.......this was with an amp........if you think WWH can anything remotely close to that, then you need your head checked.erm Quit insulting everyone who disagrees with you. It's you're an idiot also. Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
I would say their was never a brain to begin with.smile It's I would say there never was a brain to begin with. LOL. Back to the topic though, WW Hulk based off his powers, regenerative abilities and Orion not being anything but a shell of his former self.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Your an idiot, Supergirl only landed a few blows on Ds AFTER he fought Orion.........Orion was the reason he looked battle damage in those panels........even someone with poor eyesight can indicate Ds is having a hard time with Orion....Supergirl? All she did was attack him from behind, only to get manhandled later on.......this was with an amp........if you think WWH can anything remotely close to that, then you need your head checked.erm

Truth! laughing

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's I would say there never was a brain to begin with LOL.So you admit you and Carver don't have brains.? So WWH>Amped Supergirl and Superboy?

Omega Vision
So Quan turns to grammar nazism when his arguments are getting shot to pieces. Very interesting.........BUT STUPID!
Orion still wins because WWH was a paper Tiger.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So you admit you and Carver don't have brains.? So WWH>Amped Supergirl and Superboy? I admitted your spelling was off. It's funny when someone tries to mock someone else for being dumb and then comes off like stupid in the process.

WW Hulk>gds Orion who was a shell of himself.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So Quan turns to grammar nazism when his arguments are getting shot to pieces. Very interesting.........BUT STUPID!
Orion still wins because WWH was a paper Tiger. No, I corrected the dear lad who just wants to flame. I already cited my reasoning as to why Orion loses this. Getting slapped around by Ds and not being able to kill him is not impressive in the least.

WW Hulk breaks him. WW Hulk would break regular Orion as well.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So WWH>Amped Supergirl and Superboy?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
That's irrelevant to this topic. WW Hulk can defeat a former shell of Orion whose power and time had passed him by.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's irrelevant to this topic. WW Hulk can defeat a former shell of Orion whose power and time had passed him by. Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So WWH>Amped Supergirl and Superboy?

KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly believe any version of Orion should be any version of Hulk for a majority. Some closer than others but still.. Orion is just too versatile and fast for any hulk

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
I already stated that has nothing to do with gds Orion. Nothing. quit derailing the topic.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly believe any version of Orion should be any version of Hulk for a majority. Some closer than others but still.. Orion is just too versatile and fast for any hulk I disagree. DD beat the guy in under 60 seconds. Hulk also managed to beat Glads who is faster than Orion.

iceman24567
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly believe any version of Orion should be any version of Hulk for a majority. Some closer than others but still.. Orion is just too versatile and fast for any hulk thumb up Not only is he comparable physically he has more abilities to boot.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly believe any version of Orion should be any version of Hulk for a majority. Some closer than others but still.. Orion is just too versatile and fast for any hulk

thumb up The only one I think could take on some versions of Orion is War Hulk, enchanced thru the Celestial tech.

But then again, I see Orion > Superman. bag

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already stated that has nothing to do with gds Orion. Nothing. quit derailing the topic. The hell it doesn't.......Orion did better against Ds than the combined power of two pre-crisis Kryptonians........if you think WWH can put up a better fight than Orion, then you need your ass kicked.no expression

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
The hell it doesn't.......Orion did better against Ds than the combined power of two pre-crisis Kryptonians........if you think WWH can put up a better fight than Orion, then you need your ass kicked.no expression Because he was always destined to battle Darkseid he just wasn't at optimum power and was just a former shell of himself.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he was always destined to battle Darkseid he just wasn't at optimum power and was just a former shell of himself. So he was always destined fight Darkseid? That belittles his power how? Your argument is pathetic.smile You're acting like Orion did well against him, because he's his kryptonite or something.........

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So he was always destined fight Darkseid? That belittles his power how? Your argument is pathetic.smile You're acting like Orion did well against him, because he's his kryptonite or something......... I am saying his experience against darkseid comes into benefit him. If you know your opponent and it's your destiny to kill that person your chances are a lot better than some k-nian.

That's just common sense.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying his experience against darkseid comes into benefit him. If you know your opponent and it's your destiny to kill that person your chances are a lot better than some k-nian.

That's just common sense. Lulz, experiance......So that's why he was able to inflict so much damage on someone so versatile.....he was just more experienced than the amped kryptonians.laughing

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Lulz, experiance......So that's why he was able to inflict so much damage on someone so versatile.....he was just more experienced than the amped kryptonians.laughing He was still powerful. The point is he wasn't anywhere near powerful enough to defeat ds.

You act like Ds was practically beaten which again begs the question did you read the story or are you digging into respect threads again? laughing out loud

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was still powerful. The point is he wasn't anywhere near powerful enough to defeat ds.Neither were the two amped krptonians.smile Still doesn't change the fact that he did a better job against him, than anyone else in the entire story.

Ugh, Quantard? I posted the entire fight.......with context.......clearly Orion didn't come close to beating him. And I already know that he was only beaten through losing control of the daxamites. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Neither were the two amped krptonians.smile Still doesn't change the fact that he did a better job against him, than anyone else in the entire story.

Ugh, Quantard? I posted the entire fight.......with context.......clearly Orion didn't come close to beating him. And I already know that he was only beaten through losing control of the daxamites. smile He was incapable of defeating Seid and did nothing significantly to damage him so I fail to see your point

Yes, ds left when he lost his overwhelming advantage. WW Hulk beats Orion who was nothing more than a former shell of himself.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was incapable of defeating Seid and did nothing significantly to damage him so I fail to see your point That's why he was battle damaged right?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
So WWH>Amped Supergirl and Superboy?

Omega Vision
OMG Quan. WWH is shit compared to one PC Kryptonian let alone two amped ones, let alone a guy who was greater or equal to two amped Kryptonians.
Your Marvel bias really shows in threads like this one.

JakeTheBank
Geezus... facepalm2

GDS Orion stomps.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
OMG Quan. WWH is shit compared to one PC Kryptonian let alone two amped ones, let alone a guy who was greater or equal to two amped Kryptonians.
Your Marvel bias really shows in threads like this one. This is about gds Orion not a bunch of k-nians.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
That's why he was battle damaged right? Battle damaged nowhere near the point of hurting him. Regular Hulk got angry enough to hurt pc Superman. LOL.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Geezus... facepalm2

GDS Orion stomps.

I couldn't find a better matchup, but maybe being in DS would be enough. Not current DS, though.

manx422
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Geezus... facepalm2

GDS Orion stomps. thumb up

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112 .
Battle damaged nowhere near the point of hurting him. Regular Hulk got angry enough to hurt pc Superman. LOL. Lulz, so why was Darkseid phased by his blows? And why is he shown to be briefly struggling with him? Your a pathetic excuse for a debator and a disgrace to all the Marvel fans that actually apply logic to their arguments.

Lulz *2, for using non-canon bullshit as evidence.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is about gds Orion not a bunch of k-nians.

Yes, and GDS Orion swatted aside a PC Kryptonian, that's something WWH couldn't dream of doing.


If you're going to use a non-canon crossover then use it right lol. In that same crossover the second time they meet Superman more or less stays perfectly still as Hulk wails on him and its clear he's not even close to Superman's level of power.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8056/supesvshulk18sq.jpg
No sign that the punches even hurt him, its like a boxer fighting an angry ten year old. He doesn't want to hurt the ten year old so he's going to wait till he burns himself out.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Lulz, so why was Darkseid phased by his blows? And why is he shown to be briefly struggling with him? Your a pathetic excuse for a debator and a disgrace to all the Marvel fans that actually apply logic to their arguments.

Lulz *2, for using non-canon bullshit as evidence. Hahahahahahaha. It's like I can see you crying through your posts to get so worked up over a simple disagreement. Get it together.

Everything I sated was stated in the comic. Orion couldn't kill Seid it was specifically stated in the story.

It's relevant that as a possible situation in demonstrating how much his strength can escalate depending on his anger.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes, and GDS Orion swatted aside a PC Kryptonian, that's something WWH couldn't dream of doing.


If you're going to use a non-canon crossover then use it right lol. In that same crossover the second time they meet Superman more or less stays perfectly still as Hulk wails on him and its clear he's not even close to Superman's level of power.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8056/supesvshulk18sq.jpg
No sign that the punches even hurt him, its like a boxer fighting an angry ten year old. He doesn't want to hurt the ten year old so he's going to wait till he burns himself out. Gds Orion was just a shell of his former self.

No crap. He wasn't angry enough to hurt him at that point. If you'd actually read my comments you wouldn't waste your time on putting words in my mouth.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hahahahahahaha. It's like I can see you crying through your posts to get so worked up over a simple disagreement. Get it together.

Everything I sated was stated in the comic. Orion couldn't kill Seid it was specifically stated in the story.

It's relevant that as a possible situation in demonstrating how much his strength can escalate depending on his anger.

Gds Orion was just a shell of his former self.

No crap. He wasn't angry enough to hurt him at that point. If you'd actually read my comments you wouldn't waste your time on putting words in my mouth.
Him being weaker than normal doesn't constitute an argument against his power seeing as he still swatted away a PC kryptonian. If anything it just proves how much of a beast PC Orion was. He failed to kill DS because he wasn't his true self but he was still powerful enough to wreck the PC Legion. I can't see Hulk doing that.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Him being weaker than normal doesn't constitute an argument against his power seeing as he still swatted away a PC kryptonian. If anything it just proves how much of a beast PC Orion was. He failed to kill DS because he wasn't his true self but he was still powerful enough to wreck the PC Legion. I can't see Hulk doing that. The crisis did not affect the new gods.

I see him losing against a motivated WW Hulk whose anger amps him. He is strong, tactical, and has healing ability which allows him to trash Orion.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hahahahahahaha. It's like I can see you crying through your posts to get so worked up over a simple disagreement. Get it together. Lulz, worked up? I actually find it hilarious that you would come to such a idiotic conclusion, based off Orion being a shell of his former self. smile Notice how Carter just disappeared from this thread and your the only one arguing for WWH. laughing

Whether he could kill him or not is irrelevant.......Gds Orion clearly harmed Darkseid with his attacks.......answer me this, could World War Hulk harm Gds Darkseid? While we're on the subject, could WWH tank blows that phased Ds?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
The crisis did not affect the new gods.

I see him losing against a motivated WW Hulk whose anger amps him. He is strong, tactical, and has healing ability which allows him to trash Orion.
You completely dodge my point that anyone that has sufficient power to trash the PC Legion in a fight it way too much for WWH. The "he gets stronger as he gets angrier argument" is something that you yourself debated against in the WWH vs Thanos thread and just like Thanos GDS Orion takes WWH out way before he can muster the strength to gain the upper hand.
Whether or not the crisis effected PC Orion doesn't matter because GDS Orion is an alternate version of PC Orion. We pay attention to feats here, and by feats GDS Orion>>>WWH.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Lulz, worked up? I actually find it hilarious that you would come to such a idiotic conclusion, based off Orion being a shell of his former self. smile Notice how Carter just disappeared from this thread and your the only one arguing for WWH. laughing

Whether he could kill him or not is irrelevant.......Gds Orion clearly harmed Darkseid with his attacks.......answer me this, could World War Hulk harm Gds Darkseid? While we're on the subject, could WWH tank blows that phased Ds? Again, I don't base my decisions on the popularity of my arguments as it seems you do.

Yes and yes.Originally posted by Omega Vision
You completely dodge my point that anyone that has sufficient power to trash the PC Legion in a fight it way too much for WWH. The "he gets stronger as he gets angrier argument" is something that you yourself debated against in the WWH vs Thanos thread and just like Thanos GDS Orion takes WWH out way before he can muster the strength to gain the upper hand.
Whether or not the crisis effected PC Orion doesn't matter because GDS Orion is an alternate version of PC Orion. We pay attention to feats here, and by feats GDS Orion>>>WWH. Thanos is a ot more powerful than gds Orion so you don't have a point.


Orion wasn't impressive in the arc and I unlike you don't ignore the context of Orion's state in the story.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, I don't base my decisions on the popularity of my arguments as it seems you do.

Yes and yes. Thanos is a ot more powerful than gds Orion so you don't have a point.


Orion wasn't impressive in the arc and I unlike you don't ignore the context of Orion's state in the story.
So swatting aside PC Superboy isn't impressive?
When has Thanos ever swatted away anyone near that level?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So swatting aside PC Superboy isn't impressive?
When has Thanos ever swatted away anyone near that level? Crushing the Maker is more impressive.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
Crushing the Maker is more impressive.
What was the Maker's feats?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
What was the Maker's feats? What are the TOAA's feats? The Maker was a big deal in her story but like a lot of characters they lack a laundry list of feats. Deciding these battles based on feats alone is terrible debating.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
What are the TOAA's feats? The Maker was a big deal in her story but like a lot of characters they lack a laundry list of feats. Deciding these battles based on feats alone is terrible debating.
To an extent I agree but when it suits you you've always said that feats are all that matters. So if Kosmos has no real feats then Thanos defeating her means shit. PC Superboy has lots of feats so Orion swatting him away is a big deal.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
To an extent I agree but when it suits you you've always said that feats are all that matters. So if Kosmos has no real feats then Thanos defeating her means shit. PC Superboy has lots of feats so Orion swatting him away is a big deal. When have I stated that?

You want to have your cake and eat it too. Orion wasn't anywhere near powerful enough imo to defeat a pissed off WW Hulk. The fight won't be easy but I don't see Orion winning.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
When have I stated that?

You want to have your cake and eat it too. Orion wasn't anywhere near powerful enough imo to defeat a pissed off WW Hulk. The fight won't be easy but I don't see Orion winning.
Why not? Unlike WWH GDS Orion went toe to toe with an elite Skyfather and beat a PC Kryptonian.
By feats WWH has nothing on Orion.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why not? Unlike WWH GDS Orion went toe to toe with an elite Skyfather and beat a PC Kryptonian.
By feats WWH has nothing on Orion. WW Hulk wasn't beaten at all in his storyline. We know he's strong already just starting off and we know he can heal from the damage inflicted from just a shell of Orion.

Orion was cited as not being powerful enough to go rounds with seid who was weaker in the story as well. How's that impressive?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk wasn't beaten at all in his storyline. We know he's strong already just starting off and we know he can heal from the damage inflicted from just a shell of Orion.

Orion was cited as not being powerful enough to go rounds with seid who was weaker in the story as well. How's that impressive?
Being weakened doesn't mean all that much. You can weaken a UFC fighter by half but he'll still kick a ten year old girl's ass. GDS DS's feats were so high that him being weakened just go to show how ****ing powerful PC DS was, same with Orion. Whether or not they're weakened matters not because by feats they're both more impressive than Hulk.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Being weakened doesn't mean all that much. You can weaken a UFC fighter by half but he'll still kick a ten year old girl's ass. GDS DS's feats were so high that him being weakened just go to show how ****ing powerful PC DS was, same with Orion. Whether or not they're weakened matters not because by feats they're both more impressive than Hulk. The point is that's how much weaker Orion was that despite Darkseid being weakened this shell of Orion wasn't powerful enough to defeat Ds.

Seid is not Orion. WW Hulk beats Orion all day.

Prep-Man
Not PC Orion.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is that's how much weaker Orion was that despite Darkseid being weakened this shell of Orion wasn't powerful enough to defeat Ds.

Seid is not Orion. WW Hulk beats Orion all day.
You're either trolling or you're an idiot, or both.

WWH is not Seid.
Darkseid in GDS may have been weakened but his feats put him on a level far above WWH so Orion losing to him doesn't mean he'd lose to WWH.
Just because you lose a fight to a heavy weight champion doesn't mean that an amateur middle-weight can beat you, especially if you lasted more than a few rounds with said heavy weight.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not PC Orion.
He'd probably lose to Post Crisis Orion too, just not nearly as badly.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not PC Orion. This is gds Orion.

I never said he was. I stated Orion not being able to beat a weaker Seid isn't proof he can beat WW Hulk either. It seems to me you want to ignore everything stated in the arc and want to pretend the WW Hulk was beaten which he wasn't.

WW Hulk's powers and abilities win him this fight.Originally posted by Omega Vision
He'd probably lose to Post Crisis Orion too, just not nearly as badly. WW Hulk beats post crisis Orion as well.

manx422
Orion

iceman24567
WWh gets wrecked by any Orion

JakeTheBank
^ thumb up

quanchi112
Originally posted by iceman24567
WWh gets wrecked by any Orion Based on what? The guy was beaten in under 60 seconds by DD with aid. no expression

Prep-Man
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ thumb up

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, I don't base my decisions on the popularity of my arguments as it seems you do. Concession accepted. smile

Hazsekswthurmom
Oops, missed this Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes and yes. Lulz!

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Concession accepted. smile If you are going to reply to my posts do it in one post.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Oops, missed this Lulz! My argument is backed up by the comics themselves.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
My argument is backed up by the comics themselves. hysterical

Lulz at you thinking WWH can put up a fight against Darkseid, like Orion did. He's nowhere close to pre-crisis Kryptonian level......

iceman24567
Oh please WWh would get pimped by Darkseid or Orion

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
hysterical

Lulz at you thinking WWH can put up a fight against Darkseid, like Orion did. He's nowhere close to pre-crisis Kryptonian level...... I said Ds would beat WW Hulk, but I still see WW Hulk beating Orion into the dirt.Originally posted by iceman24567
Oh please WWh would get pimped by Darkseid or Orion Iyo ignoring the gds concerning Orion anyways.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said Ds would beat WW Hulk, but I still see WW Hulk beating Orion into the dirt. Can WWH hurt Darkseid like Orion did?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Can WWH hurt Darkseid like Orion did? I think Orion really didn't hurt him as much as you are making it out to be. abc comparisons fall short here as they usually do.

WW Hulk beats Orion. Quit trying to turn this into a gds Seid against WW Hulk thread.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Orion really didn't hurt him as much as you are making it out to be. abc comparisons fall short here as they usually do.

WW Hulk beats Orion. Quit trying to turn this into a gds Seid against WW Hulk thread. Abc comparisons? You mean like Doomsday>modern Orion>gds Orion? You know, the baseless bullshit arguments you were making earlier ago?

It's quite clear that Orion inflicted Darkseid with his blows........if you actually took time to examine the scans, you could see for yourself.........lets also not forget how he put up a longer more devastating fight against Ds, than the combined might of two amped kryptonians.......these were characters that possessed infinite strength at their base levels...........tell me how the f#ck does WWH even compare?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Abc comparisons? You mean like Doomsday>modern Orion>gds Orion? You know, the baseless bullshit arguments you were making earlier ago?

It's quite clear that Orion inflicted Darkseid with his blows........if you actually took time to examine the scans, you could see for yourself.........lets also not forget how he put up a longer more devastating fight against Ds, than the combined might of two amped kryptonians.......these were characters that possessed infinite strength at their base levels...........tell me how the f#ck does WWH even compare? Again, this story makes it perfectly clear Orion was less than what he normally is portrayed at. The time of the new gods had passed. I got it. I guess you didn't.

Because of his experience against Seid and their shared history, but it was noted he couldn't kill him.

Those characters don't traditionally have infinite strength at their base levels. WW Hulk has the goods to stomp Orion into the dirt. His healing factor along with Orion's state all but assures it.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, this story makes it perfectly clear Orion was less than what he normally is portrayed at. The time of the new gods had passed. I got it. I guess you didn't. You shouldn't tell anyone what they didn't comprehend......and repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it right. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Why are you repeating the same shit? It doesn't matter if he couldn't beat him! What's important is that he was strong enough to phase Darkseid......this is a feat that no one under Pre-crisis Kryptonian level could replicate.........experience does you no good when you can't harm your opponent.........Orion had enough physical prowess to harm him. Your acting like he had some kind of special karate technique that could specifically exploit his weakness........

Ugh, yes they do.......you even said it yourself that pc character's are just ridiculously overpowered.......Orion is on par with Pre-crisis kryptonian characters.......by saying WWH can beat him into the dirt would be as absurd as saying he could beat pc Superboy in a arm wrestling match.no expression

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
You shouldn't tell anyone what they didn't comprehend......and repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it right. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Why are you repeating the same shit? It doesn't matter if he couldn't beat him! What's important is that he was strong enough to phase Darkseid......this is a feat that no one under Pre-crisis Kryptonian level could replicate.........experience does you no good when you can't harm your opponent.........Orion had enough physical prowess to harm him. Your acting like he had some kind of special karate technique that could specifically exploit his weakness........

Ugh, yes they do.......you even said it yourself that pc character's are just ridiculously overpowered.......Orion is on par with Pre-crisis kryptonian characters.......by saying WWH can beat him into the dirt would be as absurd as saying he could beat pc Superboy in a arm wrestling match.no expression I have stated my reasoning for this thread. It isn't going to change so why press it?

He didn't really phase Seid anyways. That's like saying Wolverine cut WW Hulk so he can beat Superman. It's nonsense as Wolverine isn't powerful enough to beat WW Hulk so this line of reasoning is terrible.

Infinite strength and ridiculously powerful are too different things. Do you know what infinite means?

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have stated my reasoning for this thread. It isn't going to change so why press it? Because you're trolling and spamming. smile

facepalm Since your so blind.........

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg
I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or towing galaxies worth of planets. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Because you're trolling and spamming. smile

facepalm Since your so blind.........

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg
I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or towing galaxies worth of planets. smile How so? You asked for my reasoning and I have given it to you. You not accpeting it is your own problem not mine.

Yes, Seid rambles on about how orion can't kill him and defeats him easily.


No, seeing as how they could perform powerful feats the word infinite is ridiculous especially when considering the Hulk has no limits when it comes to strength only through his emotions.

A weaker Hulk once destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth. Why would he need to anything as ridiculous as towing a planet?

Has Orion ever done so since you brought it up?

Seid also bfr'd k-nian he didn't easily slay him.

Omega Vision
If you're referring to the Mon-El incident as bfr that's not exactly correct terminology since bfr usually doesn't include blasting the target into a coma casually. Darkseid could have easily killed Mon-El but he didn't feel like wasting time now that Daxam became his target.

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by quanchi112
How so? You asked for my reasoning and I have given it to you. You not accpeting it is your own problem not mine. Well maybe if you didn't spam and troll, I could accept your pov.........
Oh and here..........
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, this story makes it perfectly clear Orion was less than what he normally is portrayed at. The time of the new gods had passed. I got it. I guess you didn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion was cited as not being powerful enough to go rounds with seid who was weaker in the story as well. How's that impressive?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is that's how much weaker Orion was that despite Darkseid being weakened this shell of Orion wasn't powerful enough to defeat Ds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is gds Orion.

I never said he was. I stated Orion not being able to beat a weaker Seid isn't proof he can beat WW Hulk either. It seems to me you want to ignore everything stated in the arc and want to pretend the WW Hulk was beaten which he wasn't.

WW Hulk's powers and abilities win him this fight. WW Hulk beats post crisis Orion as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Everything I sated was stated in the comic. Orion couldn't kill Seid it was specifically stated in the story.

Gds Orion was just a shell of his former self. Originally posted by quanchi112
That's irrelevant to this topic. WW Hulk can defeat a former shell of Orion whose power and time had passed him by.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he was always destined to battle Darkseid he just wasn't at optimum power and was just a former shell of himself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he was always destined to battle Darkseid he just wasn't at optimum power and was just a former shell of himself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was incapable of defeating Seid and did nothing significantly to damage him so I fail to see your point

Yes, ds left when he lost his overwhelming advantage. WW Hulk beats Orion who was nothing more than a former shell of himself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because only the true warrior Orion could strike the death blow not this former shell of a warrior.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. I think WW Hulk wins based on Orion being a shell of himself. The new gods time had passed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Back to the topic though, WW Hulk based off his powers, regenerative abilities and Orion not being anything but a shell of his former self.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was a shell of his former self. Color me not impressed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point was Orion was a shell of his former self. he knew he was going to lose so I don't see this Orion beating WW Hulk. I see WW Hulk beating him every single time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What Darkseid did was immaterial as this isn't gds Seid it's gds Orion who was a shell of his former self.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was destined to lose. In fact it was a foregone conclusion he couldn't win. Not beating someone and not being able to win while being described as a shell of your former self isn't impressive.

wink

Because he created him.....


Lulz, so now your insinuating that Hulk can reach pc Kryptonian strength? Gtfo. thumb down

Learn how to read.......

"I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or towing galaxies worth of planets. "

Never. smile But he managed to go toe to toe with a guy who put a pc Kryptonian level being(Mon-el) in a coma........

He manhandled a amped Supergirl and knocked out Mon-el.............

Hazsekswthurmom
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to the Mon-El incident as bfr that's not exactly correct terminology since bfr usually doesn't include blasting the target into a coma casually. Darkseid could have easily killed Mon-El but he didn't feel like wasting time now that Daxam became his target. He bfr'd Superboy when he fought him.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Well maybe if you didn't spam and troll, I could accept your pov.........
Oh and here..........
















Because he created him.....


Lulz, so now your insinuating that Hulk can reach pc Kryptonian strength? Gtfo. thumb down

Learn how to read.......

"I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or towing galaxies worth of planets. "

Never. smile But he managed to go toe to toe with a guy who put a pc Kryptonian level being(Mon-el) in a coma........

He manhandled a amped Supergirl and knocked out Mon-el............. Yes, and quoting me multiple times to recap does what? It's you who is so obsessed with me you do what you accuse me of.

Yes, Orion posed no real threat to Seid. You thinking he hurt Seid was all to create drama.


Again, he has no known limitations. You keep trying to switch this entire debate about other characters. It has failed thus far and will fail again.

He didn't go toe to toe he was easily defeated when seid wanted him defeated. You are getting the context all wrong.

He wasn't manhandling her for one.


Secndly, this is about WW Hulk and Orion not Seid or precrisis k-nians.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to the Mon-El incident as bfr that's not exactly correct terminology since bfr usually doesn't include blasting the target into a coma casually. Darkseid could have easily killed Mon-El but he didn't feel like wasting time now that Daxam became his target. Did you read the story?

carver9
I dont know why people are comparing Orion and Darkseid strength as the same because of a brawl. Wolverine brawled against WWH but its pretty obvious that WWH is stronger.

Hercules brawled against wwh but admitted that wwh was stronger.

Just because you faught someone doesnt make you their physical equal or it doesnt mean that you can defeat or go through the same people like that character did.

Stop using abc logic and show us something that make you think Orion could beat WWH.

Prep-Man
Orion can actually become stronger than Darkseid, so yeah.

Master Court
Just saying, just saying, that Hulk can't fly. In case anyone here didn't know. So towing planets isn't an option. Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't. Not to mention it might not even be a strength feat, but more a durability and propulsion power of flight feat. However, as already mentioned before, when a double-the-size-of-earth rock came in range, Hulk popped it with one shot, so. Of course, that also can be considered a feat of durability and propulsion.

As for the fight, I don't know enough about the GDS thing to fairly say. But if that scan is the entire fight between Orion and Darkseid, then it's not impressive in the slightest. Not to mention it was Darkseid and Orion. It seems to me that Darkseid was trying to talk to Orion, and Orion got in a sucker punch. Darkseid was still trying to talk, and Orion blasted him off the rock. But when Darkseid did fight, it was a one-shot decimation. So, that fight isn't impressive at all. Based on the info afforded by that scan, I'd have to say GDS Orion has no particular advantages. No more than regular Orion. And regular Orion has no particularly exceptional chances at WWHulk. Based on the WWHulk/Sentry fight, Orion would get beat like anyone else. If it's fact that GDS Orion is less than standard Orion, then he logically stands less chances than standard Orion.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Master Court
Just saying, just saying, that Hulk can't fly. In case anyone here didn't know. So towing planets isn't an option. Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't. Not to mention it might not even be a strength feat, but more a durability and propulsion power of flight feat. However, as already mentioned before, when a double-the-size-of-earth rock came in range, Hulk popped it with one shot, so. Of course, that also can be considered a feat of durability and propulsion.

As for the fight, I don't know enough about the GDS thing to fairly say. But if that scan is the entire fight between Orion and Darkseid, then it's not impressive in the slightest. Not to mention it was Darkseid and Orion. It seems to me that Darkseid was trying to talk to Orion, and Orion got in a sucker punch. Darkseid was still trying to talk, and Orion blasted him off the rock. But when Darkseid did fight, it was a one-shot decimation. So, that fight isn't impressive at all. Based on the info afforded by that scan, I'd have to say GDS Orion has no particular advantages. No more than regular Orion. And regular Orion has no particularly exceptional chances at WWHulk. Based on the WWHulk/Sentry fight, Orion would get beat like anyone else. If it's fact that GDS Orion is less than standard Orion, then he logically stands less chances than standard Orion.

I don't think that was a sucker shot. especially since Orion got two hits on DS. Previous to that, DS owned PRE-CRISIS Daxamties and Kryptonians with complete ease. Yet, Orion made a good tussle from it.

Also, in Countdown, Orion beat DS again by ripping out his heart.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and quoting me multiple times to recap does what? It's you who is so obsessed with me you do what you accuse me of.

Yes, Orion posed no real threat to Seid. You thinking he hurt Seid was all to create drama.


Again, he has no known limitations. You keep trying to switch this entire debate about other characters. It has failed thus far and will fail again.

He didn't go toe to toe he was easily defeated when seid wanted him defeated. You are getting the context all wrong.

He wasn't manhandling her for one.


Secndly, this is about WW Hulk and Orion not Seid or precrisis k-nians.
Did you read the story?
Yes I did read the story, its one of my favorites though it's been a little while since I've cracked it open. I thought you were talking about Mon-El and calling that bfr, attempting to lowball Darkseid as usual.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
I dont know why people are comparing Orion and Darkseid strength as the same because of a brawl. Wolverine brawled against WWH but its pretty obvious that WWH is stronger.

Hercules brawled against wwh but admitted that wwh was stronger.

Just because you faught someone doesnt make you their physical equal or it doesnt mean that you can defeat or go through the same people like that character did.

Stop using abc logic and show us something that make you think Orion could beat WWH. thumb up Originally posted by Prep-Man
Orion can actually become stronger than Darkseid, so yeah. Not in this story. Originally posted by Master Court
Just saying, just saying, that Hulk can't fly. In case anyone here didn't know. So towing planets isn't an option. Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't. Not to mention it might not even be a strength feat, but more a durability and propulsion power of flight feat. However, as already mentioned before, when a double-the-size-of-earth rock came in range, Hulk popped it with one shot, so. Of course, that also can be considered a feat of durability and propulsion.

As for the fight, I don't know enough about the GDS thing to fairly say. But if that scan is the entire fight between Orion and Darkseid, then it's not impressive in the slightest. Not to mention it was Darkseid and Orion. It seems to me that Darkseid was trying to talk to Orion, and Orion got in a sucker punch. Darkseid was still trying to talk, and Orion blasted him off the rock. But when Darkseid did fight, it was a one-shot decimation. So, that fight isn't impressive at all. Based on the info afforded by that scan, I'd have to say GDS Orion has no particular advantages. No more than regular Orion. And regular Orion has no particularly exceptional chances at WWHulk. Based on the WWHulk/Sentry fight, Orion would get beat like anyone else. If it's fact that GDS Orion is less than standard Orion, then he logically stands less chances than standard Orion. thumb up Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes I did read the story, its one of my favorites though it's been a little while since I've cracked it open. I thought you were talking about Mon-El and calling that bfr, attempting to lowball Darkseid as usual. Did I say Mon el? Nope.

Master Court
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't think that was a sucker shot. especially since Orion got two hits on DS. Previous to that, DS owned PRE-CRISIS Daxamties and Kryptonians with complete ease. Yet, Orion made a good tussle from it.

Also, in Countdown, Orion beat DS again by ripping out his heart.


It was kind of a sucker punche when you look at it. Darkseid's obviously trying to talk, but Orion says "Father, you blah blah, and father this, and I'm a clone." BAM! How was Darkseid to know Orion was about to pop him one. And then Darkseid's like "But, my child, I-" ZAP! Darkseid was literally not fighting back until he incinerated the bullsh*t Orion with one blast.

And Countdown? Come on. We all know that was amped Orion. Amped Orion is better than standard Orion and obviously much better than less-than-standard GDS Orion. And there's a vast difference between landing two unexpected attacks before being barbecued and actually killing Darkseid by going batsh*t and ripping his heart out.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Master Court
It was kind of a sucker punche when you look at it. Darkseid's obviously trying to talk, but Orion says "Father, you blah blah, and father this, and I'm a clone." BAM! How was Darkseid to know Orion was about to pop him one. And then Darkseid's like "But, my child, I-" ZAP! Darkseid was literally not fighting back until he incinerated the bullsh*t Orion with one blast.

And Countdown? Come on. We all know that was amped Orion. Amped Orion is better than standard Orion and obviously much better than less-than-standard GDS Orion. And there's a vast difference between landing two unexpected attacks before being barbecued and actually killing Darkseid by going batsh*t and ripping his heart out. I disagree with Orion being amped in countdown. he was amped in death of the new gods but not in countdown.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Master Court
It was kind of a sucker punche when you look at it. Darkseid's obviously trying to talk, but Orion says "Father, you blah blah, and father this, and I'm a clone." BAM! How was Darkseid to know Orion was about to pop him one. And then Darkseid's like "But, my child, I-" ZAP! Darkseid was literally not fighting back until he incinerated the bullsh*t Orion with one blast.

And Countdown? Come on. We all know that was amped Orion. Amped Orion is better than standard Orion and obviously much better than less-than-standard GDS Orion. And there's a vast difference between landing two unexpected attacks before being barbecued and actually killing Darkseid by going batsh*t and ripping his heart out.

How was DS to know?! That's Orion's destiny! To KILL Darkseid. And how was Orion amped?

Master Court
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree with Orion being amped in countdown. he was amped in death of the new gods but not in countdown.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How was DS to know?! That's Orion's destiny! To KILL Darkseid. And how was Orion amped?

No, in Death of the New Gods.

Anyway, the GDS Orion wasn't legit. So it wasn't his destiny at all, and never was. It seems like, what with all the talking and all, that Darkseid was giving a shot at luring GDS Orion to the dark side.

EDIT: I meant he was amped when he ripped Darkseid's heart out. Hence the Amped Orion > Standard Orion > GDS Orion thing.

The Nuul
Any Orion shit stomps.

carver9
WWH wins this. Its almost spite if this is a straight up fist fight.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by carver9
WWH wins this. Its almost spite if this is a straight up fist fight.
Not even close to spite. Knocking aside a PC kryptonian with pure brawn alone is something WWH could never do.

JakeTheBank
Several pages later...

Orion still stomps.

quanchi112
Originally posted by The Nuul
Any Orion shit stomps. LOL. Just like he lasted 60 seconds against Dd, right?

Originally posted by Master Court
No, in Death of the New Gods.

Anyway, the GDS Orion wasn't legit. So it wasn't his destiny at all, and never was. It seems like, what with all the talking and all, that Darkseid was giving a shot at luring GDS Orion to the dark side.

EDIT: I meant he was amped when he ripped Darkseid's heart out. Hence the Amped Orion > Standard Orion > GDS Orion thing. He wasn't amped when he tore out Ds's heart.Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not even close to spite. Knocking aside a PC kryptonian with pure brawn alone is something WWH could never do. Again this is about gds Orion not any k-nians.

iceman24567
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Several pages later...

Orion still stomps.

quanchi112
Originally posted by iceman24567
We get what you think already. If you want to debate then do so. You always wanting to quote or recapping who you think wins immediately following my post is kinda funny.

Prep-Man
PC Orion also went toe to toe against PC Superman, so...

quanchi112
Originally posted by Prep-Man
PC Orion also went toe to toe against PC Superman, so... This is GDS Orion who is only a shell of pc Orion so.....

Omega Vision
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is GDS Orion who is only a shell of pc Orion so.....
You keep saying that but it means as much as saying Hulk was "the strongest version of Hulk". Unless its backed up by feats it means nothing. The fact is that GDS Orion may have been weakened but his feats put him way above that hyped piece of shit that was WWH.
Learn to debate son.

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