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PC marvels were trully invulnerable right?

Originally posted by Warlord
PC marvels were trully invulnerable right?

yup they couldnt even hurt each other

PC Black Adam

Originally posted by BattleMage
PC Black Adam

Monarch wins.

If that's true about BA, he wins. As weird as it sounds

Originally posted by xJLxKing
If that's true about BA, he wins. As weird as it sounds It's not even remotely true. If you are powerful enough you can hurt pc heroes. It happened all the time.

Fawcett BA and Billy were truly invulnerable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's not even remotely true. If you are powerful enough you can hurt pc heroes. It happened all the time.
Other PC characters of course.
As far as this match is concerned I really can't say but logic would say Monarch.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Other PC characters of course.
As far as this match is concerned I really can't say but logic would say Monarch. Yes, meaning really powerful characters can hurt them and Monarch is one of them.

Yeah, because Superman who was punching dimension, closing black holes, destroying realities, destroys suns, planets, etc all with his fist couldn't even hurt CM, or BA

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, because Superman who was punching dimension, closing black holes, destroying realities, destroys suns, planets, etc all with his fist couldn't even hurt CM, or BA Do you think the Am could hurt them?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think the Am could hurt them?
Anyone more powerful than PC Shazam could probably hurt them but Shazam himself could only bfr BA and doing so weakened him greatly.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Anyone more powerful than PC Shazam could probably hurt them but Shazam himself could only bfr BA and doing so weakened him greatly. My point was simple you have to be really powerful but he's not truly invulnerable.

Monarch stomps

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Anyone more powerful than PC Shazam could probably hurt them but Shazam himself could only bfr BA and doing so weakened him greatly.

Actually, in one of Black Adam's earlier origins, SHAZAM ADMITTED that he couldn't harm Black Adam. What did he do? He teleported him away to the farthest reaches of the universe. The result? It weakened the hell out of him. Black Adam would travel faster than light to get back, but he did.

Really shows how durable the Marvel and Adam family was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point was simple you have to be really powerful but he's not truly invulnerable.

He was according to his creators. It was his power set. All of the Fawcett years and some Pre-Crisis.

BA wins

Monarch wins on logic alone.

Then again, PC era never really focused on logic.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Then again, PC era never really focused on logic.

^ This.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He was according to his creators. It was his power set. All of the Fawcett years and some Pre-Crisis. No, he wasn't. You make it sound as if characters like the spectre and Am couldn't affect him.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Actually, in one of Black Adam's earlier origins, SHAZAM ADMITTED that he couldn't harm Black Adam. What did he do? He teleported him away to the farthest reaches of the universe. The result? It weakened the hell out of him. Black Adam would travel faster than light to get back, but he did.

Really shows how durable the Marvel and Adam family was.

That was all weak writing, and one of the many reasons why pre-crisis events got closed out of continuity. That Shazam himself could barely handle his former servant - ridiculous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't. You make it sound as if characters like the spectre and Am couldn't affect him.

Yes, he was. Show me an instance where CM or BA was effected. Billy did face a being of all the hate in the universe, something that SHAZAM threw in the ROE.

Yeah when Adam and Sivana released him even the wizard was scared.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Actually, in one of Black Adam's earlier origins, SHAZAM ADMITTED that he couldn't harm Black Adam. What did he do? He teleported him away to the farthest reaches of the universe. The result? It weakened the hell out of him. Black Adam would travel faster than light to get back, but he did.

Really shows how durable the Marvel and Adam family was.
I find it strange then that DC ever allowed another hero to be more powerful than their golden boy. Of course Superman could probably just use "super-cheating" to bypass the invulnerability.

Honestly I think in PC days Shazam's Heralds were stronger than he was. Like he was originally a Captain Marvel sort of person but now he has invested most of his power in his heralds. That's certainly not the case Post Crisis though.

Yeah, I went through some old 70's CM comics, and Marvel didn't show any pain or discomfort from anything save for a device which simulated the magical lightning that fueled his transformation. Even CM3 apparently singlehandedly beat down Satan himself or something along those lines.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Honestly I think in PC days Shazam's Heralds were stronger than he was. Like he was originally a Captain Marvel sort of person but now he has invested most of his power in his heralds. That's certainly not the case Post Crisis though.

Yeah, I think that reasoning makes sense.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, I went through some old 70's CM comics, and Marvel didn't show any pain or discomfort from anything save for a device which simulated the magical lightning that fueled his transformation. Even CM3 apparently singlehandedly beat down Satan himself or something along those lines.

I'm talking about old Fawcett days. Back when DC didn't own them. Do you have those comics?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I find it strange then that DC ever allowed another hero to be more powerful than their golden boy. Of course Superman could probably just use "super-cheating" to bypass the invulnerability.

That's why they depowered him around the 80's or so. Probably around the 70's.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm talking about old Fawcett days. Back when DC didn't own them. Do you have those comics?

Some, but not a lot...they were kinda expensive to buy. I don't think I have a whole lot of Black Adam appearances (if any), but I'll check them out.

Check out the respect thread of BA. Billy was punching BA and he felt nothing. Then Mary, Billy, and Freddy hit BA at the SAME time. Still didn't feel a thing.

Black Adam was not greater than CM or Superman at the time. There was actually a time where he was running away from them

Anyway Monarch wins Shazam was able to BFR BA to the end of the Universe and it took him like 500 years to come back.

BA is not winning this.

Originally posted by kgkg
Black Adam was not greater than CM or Superman at the time. There was actually a time where he was running away from them

Anyway Monarch wins Shazam was able to BFR BA to the end of the Universe and it took him like 500 years to come back.

BA is not winning this.

I posted some BA vs Superman fight, Pre-Crisis. Superman couldn't put him down and BA got some good hits in. Which fight are you talking about?

And I posted many scans of BA fighting Billy. They were DEAD even.

BA will win this. He will rip Monarch's suit from him.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Check out the respect thread of BA. Billy was punching BA and he felt nothing. Then Mary, Billy, and Freddy hit BA at the SAME time. Still didn't feel a thing.

And Pre-Crisis Marvels didn't split the PoS, correct?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I posted some BA vs Superman fight, Pre-Crisis. Superman couldn't put him down and BA got some good hits in. Which fight are you talking about?

And I posted many scans of BA fighting Billy. They were DEAD even.

BA will win this. He will rip Monarch's suit from him. They are pretty much even, I was referring to the fight were BA starts to retreat when CM and Superman stop holding back and uses Billy as hostage.

BA won't be able to rip Monarch suit he will be easily BFR and it's not like Monarch lacked power he had an edge over Prime with amp.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yes, he was. Show me an instance where CM or BA was effected. Billy did face a being of all the hate in the universe, something that SHAZAM threw in the ROE. So you think he could beat the Spectre or Am?

Originally posted by kgkg
They are pretty much even, I was referring to the fight were BA starts to retreat when CM and Superman stop holding back and uses Billy as hostage.

BA won't be able to rip Monarch suit he will be easily BFR and it's not like Monarch lacked power he had an edge over Prime with amp.

I don't think that incident was during Fawcett years, since Superman and Cap never met. On the other-hand, when Superman and Adam met Superman wasn't holding back, because Adam had a hostage, but this might be the same incident.

BTW, no BFR. Too cheap. Monarch won't be able to harm Adam with just energy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think the Am could hurt them? No

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No

Originally posted by Blanket
No You used to be this loyal to Thanos. Now it seems Adam has stolen you.

theses Pre Crisis threads are getting gay.


Monarch logically should win but prolly wont. Good bye and good ridence to the PC era.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I find it strange then that DC ever allowed another hero to be more powerful than their golden boy. Of course Superman could probably just use "super-cheating" to bypass the invulnerability.

That's basically what he did against Captain Thunder (Who was created AFTER DC had the rights to Fawcett, but for some reason decided against using the real Cap.)

He couldn't beat Captain Thunder down, so he got him to transform back into his human form.