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Right Heres how it goes, On the Far Reaches of each of the galaxies there is a massive breach (big enough to fit the largest fleets through even death star) in the time and space contiuem, (basicly a telyport to another galaxy) both sides have knowledge of the telyport and have reason to belive their is hostiles through the other side, from sources found in ancient remains near the breach, so both sides prepare for war, the halo forces consist of both covinent and human at full strength (before war numbers but full war tech and spartans etc) starwars is beggining of clone wars, with massive droid armies clones and a fair few jedi, before you start saying starwars is far ahead of halo, think about it because in some ways they arent, and halo seems to be alot more war practical as seen on the halo games (shielding carryable devices range of grenades etc) so from what you know say what you think would happen throughought the Starwars vs Halo War, thanks!



P.s on my last thread i got loads of picky idiots pulling it apart, please stay away if you are one of them boring people, please use some imagination and have some fun!

I think starwars galaxy will send a jedi to investigate whats going on, the covinent will most likely open fire, the sith will discover this and with their republic links flare of a war, the covinent will then ask humans for aid and since they are still alies will most likely assist each other, the covinent will attack the core of the starwars galaxy with their most powerfull fleet, and ask the humans to destroy the outer rim's as were most of the recources come from, both covinent and humans will be blockading the mid rims and seezing control, on the sieg the republic will launch everything they have and ambush alot of the halo forces, there will be a massive space battle over the core worlds but with covinent pulling victory with their very advanced war tech, the outer rim will have fallen and be controled by the humans and will give the halo forces a good chance to study the tech of starwars galaxy a republic counter force will be launched into halo galaxy and be rapidly eradicted, rebellions will spring up all over starwars galaxy for years but the strengthening halo galaxy will eventualy erradicate and rule.


Winers = Halo.

Even though i love starwars, Halo galaxy is alot more millitary based.

Star Wars wins easily... They are a galaxy not simply a couple of worlds. Not to mention higher tech such as Hyperspace. Yeah... Haloverse will be raped.

Halo universe lures the SW Universe in, sets up the Halo Rings on a countdown, and flee to the SW universe. Halo wins.

Halo rings got destroyed, right?

anyway, Star Wars takes this. Tech is pretty even, but we are talking massive numerical advantage for the SW galaxy. If every human had a master chief suit perhaps it would be different.

Originally posted by the marinate
(before war numbers but full war tech and spartans etc)


So they're not destroyed
Also you can't just give them suits...Around 100 recruits went into the augmentation process, only around 60 came out alive and able to function in the field.

Star Wars crushes the Halo universe. In Halo, the big weapons on their starships (the nukes) are roughly comparable to a photon torpedo in yield (my friend showed me the numbers on it). The mass canons are impressive, but at that point it falls to numerical superiority and the fact that a single turbolaser blast rips almost any Halo ship apart.

If the Halo rings activate...Halo wins. Elsewise SW takes.

flood probably solo.

Flood with the Force?

Originally posted by mattatom
If the Halo rings activate...Halo wins.
And destroy themselves in the process.

No... Halo universe does a Guerilla attack. Lure SW members into Halo Universe activate rings, slipspace through the gap to SW universe.

Halo wins. You don't get people as devoted to a video-game franchise as the Halo fans unless it could take every other fictional universe ever ever.



...



Every ship is torn apart, every world BDZd. End.

how do the halo rings work matt? what would destroying them do?

Basically the Halo Rings as there are Seven of them form a network and once they are activated successfully (only one has to be activated). A standard Earth ten minutes commences. In those ten minutes unless the process can be halted at the 'host ring' all sentient life in the galaxy is obliterated in a mass sterilisation. Since the rings were builts by the Forerunners and the Covenant and Human races respectively have hardly any knowledge on Forerunner technology. The sterilisation is caused by some 'unknown energy' to the Humans and Covenant. Meaning interrogation won't help the Jedi. I guess in SW terms it's the equivalent of the Strongest Force User in history magnified by a bajillion instantly dematerialises every race, every, creature, anything which breathes.

Destroying the rings?
Prevent the process at that installation, but unless all of them are destroyed, each ring has the ability to wipe out a good 50,000Lightyear Cubed sphere, of sentient life.

I'm a Halo fan at heart, then Star Wars

Edit- Sorry if this is confusing, been a while since I did the campaigns back to back.

hmmm, so they are only said to wipe out humans and convenants then? So canonically, we have nothing that says the energy would be effective against any other race,right?

And unless the halo universe can trick the star wars universe into committing absolutely everything they have into the halo universe (this would include planets ) then life in the SW universe should be fine, right?

The Rings have a radius of 25,000 lightyears each, so no living being in Star Wars would escape it.

The droids though...

No, it's never said that. The rings can wipe out all sentient life so yeah. Should? Yes. Realistically? Not so likely, one comment a monitor in Installation 02 says in the novels is along the lines of "If the rings are activated simultaneously they can be used as a focusing lens or as you might say, one b*tch of a gun". So with the creators idea of their being a rift, if they were activated simultaneously, the 'energy' wave or beam or whatever (probably wave) which is released could potentially be focused on the rift. So, yes, you are right. Unless Halo Universe can accomplish that, they, are, boned :L

Lucien- Yes, the droids. Ahh but theres always a way to combat them ofcourse, the Sentinels from all the Installations. I wonder, would a blaster be able to break through their shields?

You know, I read a KOTOR-Halo crossover Fanfic where the Master Chief kicked Revan's ass.

This thread kinda of reminds me of that.

I lold when the covenant destroyed a republiempire fleet, but I'm not reading through that eyesore again to quote it?

Sw wins, death star, star forge, palpatine.

It really depends on several different things

(1) with enough force users Star Wars wins hands down... unless the flood get involved.
(2) Minimal Force Users, you would have a fight that could go either way.
(3) If the flood get involved and start infecting Jedi, thus becoming force sensitive everyone except the flood looses.
(4) The Halo rings are activated, every one looses.

One Jedi could turn a battle. One flood spore could ruin the war for everyone. One spartan could handle just about anything Star Wars throws at it, except for a Jedi/Sith.

In the end, I think Star Wars is most likely to win, unless the flood becomes involved and starts infecting Jedi, then it's over for both sides.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
Sw wins, death star, star forge, palpatine.

The death star can be taken out with a single fighter. The Star Forge was destroyed 4000 years before this supposedly takes place, he stated that Star Wars has what it had at the beginning of the Clone Wars. Palpatine is not enough to turn the tide of a completely unexpected war.

This is so ridiculous. Anyone defending the Halo universe obviously has never compared the numbers. Star Wars absolutely crushes Halo.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
It really depends on several different things

(1) with enough force users Star Wars wins hands down... unless the flood get involved.
(2) Minimal Force Users, you would have a fight that could go either way.
(3) If the flood get involved and start infecting Jedi, thus becoming force sensitive everyone except the flood looses.
(4) The Halo rings are activated, every one looses.

One Jedi could turn a battle. One flood spore could ruin the war for everyone. One spartan could handle just about anything Star Wars throws at it, except for a Jedi/Sith.

In the end, I think Star Wars is most likely to win, unless the flood becomes involved and starts infecting Jedi, then it's over for both sides.



The death star can be taken out with a single fighter. The Star Forge was destroyed 4000 years before this supposedly takes place, he stated that Star Wars has what it had at the beginning of the Clone Wars. Palpatine is not enough to turn the tide of a completely unexpected war. Well actually, the Halo fighters would have to A.) know about the thermal exhaust port, and B.) get to it. Neither is likely to happen in such an "unexpected war."

And judging from the fact that projectiles rip massive holes in Covenant ships, there won't even be a land battle for the Flood to take part in (which they won't anyway, according to the OP). The Rebel and Imperial fleets and Endor alone would curbstomp Halo, nevermind the entire might of the Separatists and Clones.

"compared the numbers"

hahaha.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon




The death star can be taken out with a single fighter. The Star Forge was destroyed 4000 years before this supposedly takes place, he stated that Star Wars has what it had at the beginning of the Clone Wars. Palpatine is not enough to turn the tide of a completely unexpected war. Single fighter? Thats because the rebels KNEW WHERE to shoot, do you think the gaylo verse knows the weakness of the death star? No.

And he simply said "SW vs gaylo" so i assumed all of SW vs gaylo which would mean SW annihilates them with utter ease, especially when there are billions of individuals making up the entire military force in SW along with palpatine, exar kun and all those powerhouses.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
Single fighter? Thats because the rebels KNEW WHERE to shoot, do you think the gaylo verse knows the weakness of the death star? No.

And he simply said "SW vs gaylo" so i assumed all of SW vs gaylo which would mean SW annihilates them with utter ease, especially when there are billions of individuals making up the entire military force in SW along with palpatine, exar kun and all those powerhouses.

I sense a great deal of homophobia in this one.

I sense an attention whore.

Yeah, I am at that stage of my life.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Yeah, I am at that stage of my life.

He did say beginning of Clone Wars though

I know... the "gaylo" derived from this. Halo Galaxy

Cute

The only chance the Haloverse has is to use the Ark... But a SSD should be able to take that down.

Mandos come into the battle bye bye halo

Jedis and footsoldiers vs footsoldiers. Who wins? Jedi's.

Tanks and Matel Tanks Vs. Giant Walkers and more tanks. Who wins? Star Wars

Small spaceships and slow moving fighters that have exposed pilots vs. Light speed capable fighters that have shields and multiple weapons. who wins? Star Wars.

Master Chief Vs Jedi? Star wars

star wars wins.

The flood could prove overwhelming to ground forces. Spartans are not so easily brought down either. Would require Jedi for that, I imagine.

I don't know about Ground combat though. Star Wars has the numbers department down pat, but a lot of the Clone/Imperial forces utilize slow moving albeit powerful machines. Since I don't think there is any detailed descriptives of plasma-to-AT-AT armor effectiveness, I can't give a conclusive result. But the Wraiths are pretty damn mobile, with a powerful concussive force behind that blast. If those things get to the side of an AT-AT, the walker is tipping over.


And frankly, any Sangheili>>any Star Wars trooper. Same with the Spartans (though their Earth-based projectile weapons would hinder them). Again, being that there is no detailed file on just how much energy their shields can absorb, and what effect the Star Wars' plasma/lasers have on Halo's... no conclusion. But I'll be damned if any Clone or droid is withstanding an energy sword or plasma rifle.


But no matter what, Star Wars wins.

Star Wars should win in total, yes. I can not imagine the usage of "Halo" to be an option. I still see Halo do well on the ground, especially with the Spartan bullet-time stuff and their various gadgets.

The "Earth based" weapons might prove incapable of taking down Stormtroopers though, which ends up a problem unless the Spartans are good in numbers and simply go all acrobatic and punch the enemies down inside the Star Wars lines.

I'm assuming when you say Spartan your referring to the MarkII Spartans? (John-117 and Kurt-051 as key examples?)

Then aren't we all forgetting about all our MarkIII's yes the Spartan MKIII, these guys go through the same augmentation process. The key difference is the MK3's armour is Mark II SPI Armour (Semi-Powered Infilitration) thought not as strong as Mjolnir, it is steps ahead of ODST armour. As... the SPI armour includes... Active Camouflage! Oh and their are 500 of these Spartans. Just a low down.

Matt: Double check the time period of the fight again. I played the first Halo. No mention of any MarkIII's, and there was only one.

Originally posted by the marinate
!!!!! both sides have knowledge of the telyport and have reason to belive their is hostiles through the other side, from sources found in ancient remains near the breach, so both sides prepare for war, !!!!!





If both sides are preparing for war then Star Wars definatly wins!
I could not even see the Halo troops being able to land because of planetary shielding! And in space, Star Wars is definetly superior. So if the FLOOD can't get to the surface to infect anyone it dosen't matter if there are FLOOD or not. Star Wars for the win!

Originally posted by truejedi
Matt: Double check the time period of the fight again. I played the first Halo. No mention of any MarkIII's, and there was only one.

the SPARTAN-III project began 16 years before the events in Halo 1.

but i'm pretty sure they didn't exist at the time of Halo, since Master Chief was the very last Spartan left, am i right?

Originally posted by truejedi
Matt: Double check the time period of the fight again. I played the first Halo. No mention of any MarkIII's, and there was only one.

Was there any mentioning of any Spartan in any of the Halo? Excluding the introduction and ending of Halo 3.

no.

and no john was not the last spartan. in fact while he was fighting on the first halo there were several spartans still alive on reach, and there was even a second spartan on the pillar of autumn.

There was? On the Pillar of Autumn?

Originally posted by mattatom
I'm assuming when you say Spartan your referring to the MarkII Spartans? (John-117 and Kurt-051 as key examples?)

Then aren't we all forgetting about all our MarkIII's yes the Spartan MKIII, these guys go through the same augmentation process. The key difference is the MK3's armour is Mark II SPI Armour (Semi-Powered Infilitration) thought not as strong as Mjolnir, it is steps ahead of ODST armour. As... the SPI armour includes... Active Camouflage! Oh and their are 500 of these Spartans. Just a low down. Jedi have ESP

which as we've all seen is horribly unhelpful 90% of the time.

theres only ten of them left by the time ANH comes around for a reason..

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
which as we've all seen is horribly unhelpful 90% of the time.

theres only ten of them left by the time ANH comes around for a reason.. I meant towards the invisibility comment that jedi can see without actually seeing.

i know

wonder how the shield hold up against a lightsaber...What kind of damage ratio?

It doesn't seem to last very long against projectiles, so I don't imagine a lightsaber having much trouble getting through.

Thanks Ms.Marvel, sorry TJ been at work.
Lucien&TJ-I can't put any numbers on the shields because well, there isn't any. What I can tell you is the weapons the covenant use direct Superheated hydrogen fluoride-based plasma and as the Spartan shields are reincorporated shields of the enemy, they are naturally weak to plasma weapons. Against natural kinetic weaposn though they can take more punishment but this doesn't matter since the SW universe doesn't use "slug-throwers" any more. My belief is that a Lightsaber will cut through any energy shield because it would simply overload it.

Thanks for the contributions guys, but yeah, if halo activates rings and goes into starwars galaxy and goes stealth studying the remainders of a tadderd starwars glaxaxy and uses their + stars tech against them, and sets the flood on the remaining places and jedis (since the flood are united with them with a common enemy, i think halo can take this, but if they try engage in a massive battle, ut oh for halo

Btw i said full force spartans and covinent, like the highest of any of the numbers any halo forced have had put together, and starwars at the clone wars era before all the jedi die...

tbqh i dont see lightsabres having much trouble with the shields but we have to consider the armour, and maybe over shields introduced or spartans etc adjusting to suit new combat inviroments...

Elite + Energy Sword vs Jedi Hmmm,,, would be fun haha btw, when i say full forces i mean the most there has ever been, so full elites, full brutes, full humans, full spartans and every bad ass out there in halo vs clone wars starwars against say, the empire, maybe a diffrent story.. or the more ancient republic, - before mandalorion wars... ^.^

Woah. Quadra-post. There's an Edit button you know.

When you speak of activating the Halos, do you really think the blast is going to somehow send the Star Wars galaxy into "tatters"? Obviously the galaxy itself won't be hit, and the droids will still be active. If this is a prolonged engagement, the "stealthy" Covenent/Earth armadas still won't be able to take on the rest of the galaxy.

And unless Elite and Spartan armor is made of Cortosis or Phrik(or God willing, Mandalorian Iron), then lightsabers will sheer right through them. Plasma burns through them, lightsabers will too.

And an Elite vs. a (competent, non-Coleman Trebor) Jedi is likely to lose. I don't think the energy sword will falter, but the pre-cog. of the Jedi, and their Force powers (something no Elite is used to) will win for the Jedi the majority of occasions. Unless of course that Jedi is a dumbass and decides on a solo mission. Or something.


Oh and if this were the Empire vs. Halo, the Empire will win even faster than this situation.

I'm in agreement with you Lucien all except on one details... The rings.
If you read my previous post, if they're all activated at the same time... and focused on this 'rift'... Only the droids will remain... I think the Forerunner sentinels...The Full Covenant, before the wars and fractures, the UNSC, and the 'Innies' could take the droids.

Yes there maybe trillions of droids. But. Then, the listout I have is...

'Heroes' (I'm a halo boy at heart)
John-117-aka-Master Chief (Luckiest guy in the Galaxy)
Captain Keyes (Master Tactician)
Vice Admiral Cole (Master Tactician)
Sergeant Avery Johnson (The Badass Black Guy)
Kurt-051 (Trained the Spartan III's)
Tartarus (Has a hammer which can create small Vortex's which he can control)
Prophets(Have anti-grav chairs which contain Fuel Rod Cannons and a surgical designator(For glassing))
Arbiter (Can wield two energy swords(and has dogged determination))

I am not going to put numbers up as they will pale in comparison but these guys could take a few droids alone.

Quadrillions of droids, but whatever. None of them are smart enough to manage alone.


And you gotta post a link to something about this "focusing" ability of the rings. I'd go look for it myself, but... whatever.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Woah. Quadra-post. There's an Edit button you know.

When you speak of activating the Halos, do you really think the blast is going to somehow send the Star Wars galaxy into "tatters"? Obviously the galaxy itself won't be hit, and the droids will still be active. If this is a prolonged engagement, the "stealthy" Covenent/Earth armadas still won't be able to take on the rest of the galaxy.

And unless Elite and Spartan armor is made of Cortosis or Phrik(or God willing, Mandalorian Iron), then lightsabers will sheer right through them. Plasma burns through them, lightsabers will too.

And an Elite vs. a (competent, non-Coleman Trebor) Jedi is likely to lose. I don't think the energy sword will falter, but the pre-cog. of the Jedi, and their Force powers (something no Elite is used to) will win for the Jedi the majority of occasions. Unless of course that Jedi is a dumbass and decides on a solo mission. Or something.


Oh and if this were the Empire vs. Halo, the Empire will win even faster than this situation.


Agreed.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
In the end, I still Say Star Wars would win, simply because of the force users. But if you removed them, I think Halo would give Star Wars a run for their money. On the ground. Put 'em space though...

And i clearly said that the Empire would win faster, Re-Read. =D

i honestly dont think a jedi would be able to do very much in a fight like this. human projectile weapons would destroy a jedi pretty easily because of the nature of a lightsaber, and elites have reaction times on par with the chief, who perceives bullets in slow motion.

And Jedi see things before they happen. (Unless they don't see it before it happens. Take that Ki-Adi). Qui-Gon and his padawan can leap out of the way on already oncoming fire, they have something against, yes, even projectiles.

leap out of the way? when have they ever done that before?

the force has always confused me. what the people in the movies say about the force completely contradicts what they actually do with it the majority of the time.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
leap out of the way? when have they ever done that before? The Phantom Menace.

Apparently it never caught on...

The Jedi care more about their image than they let on. There's a reason so many of them die like b*cthes: pride.

hubris==Ghanner

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i honestly dont think a jedi would be able to do very much in a fight like this. human projectile weapons would destroy a jedi pretty easily because of the nature of a lightsaber, and elites have reaction times on par with the chief, who perceives bullets in slow motion.

There is a fight between Obi-Wan and Durge in the CW cartoons, where Kenobi deflects the projectiles of some semi-automatic weapon (kind of a "needle-thrower" or something like that) using the force. He simply repels the projectiles, which should be something that every force user (telekinesis) could potentially pull off. That aside, they could just rip the projectile weapons out of the peoples hands.

That aside: What do you think would happen, if a bullet hits a lightsaber blade? Given that those weapon vaporize space age metals upon contact, I don't see bullets standing a chance against them.

And while the Elites may be equipped with some nice reflexes, they have no defense against force attacks. Drop the likes of Sidious or Yoda on a battlefield and watch how the Elites keep dodging buildings thrown at them or invisible force attacks.



In TPM, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are running away from blaster bolt spamming Droidekas. In RotS, Yoda is seen to deflect about 40 blaster bolts in less than 3 seconds, which would equal a rate of fire of about 800 rounds per minute.

Not that Jedi would matter that much in ground combat, given that we have a virtual unlimited number of droids and clones fighting on the SW side here, armed with weapons far more lethal than those carried by the Halo ground-troops.

The mass from the bullet has to go somewhere. The bullets can't just disappear, and if they sublimated instantly then there would be some kind of (lethal?) shockwave. One possibility is that, given the resistance Jinn experienced against the blast door in TPM there is interaction and the bullets would simply be deflected.

The issue of bullets is pretty much unsettled?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The mass from the bullet has to go somewhere. The bullets can't just disappear, and if they sublimated instantly then there would be some kind of (lethal?) shockwave.


Really? I must have missed millions of reports dealing with the casualities caused by dry ice, which sublimates under heat input. That aside, one should notice that sublimation is a common phenomenon happening, when material is hit by a high-impulse laser beam. Again without a killer-shockwave appearing.

Then you may want to consider the fact, that a usual projectile has a mass of 10 to 50 grams, and that, even should a noticeable shockwave appear, it would be directed away from the lightsaber wielder and not to him...



He easily rams his lightsaber into the door first, before the real "blast doors" are closed. And even those don't "stop" when coming into contact with the blade but are instantly cut before the lightsaber starts to melt the material around the original entry-point. Which happens within seconds...



Just if one follows the idea, that a Jedi would attempt to deflect a bullet with a lightsaber, instead of manipulating the bullet in a Magneto-esque fashion or dodging them. Seems odd, especially when you take precognition and superhuman reflexes into consideration...
Or just ask yourself the question, why a Jedi would even openly engage enemies using projectile weapons...

this.


Not this. The key word was "instantly." If the lightsaber caused the phase change to occur fast enough then it seems like it could cause some damage? I really don't know- this is pure intuition.


Why? The momentum either carries the plasma through the blade into the jedi or it causes an omnidirectional blast (or the bullet is reflected). I think.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Not this. The key word was "instantly." If the lightsaber caused the phase change to occur fast enough then it seems like it could cause some damage? I really don't know- this is pure intuition.


Obviously not the entire projectile will be "instantly" vaporized. Of course, it will be a very fast process, starting with the front of the projectile. The point is that, following the second law of thermodynamics, the product of this sublimation (gas) will be subject to an uniform distribution. As the reaction is obviously an endothermic one, damage could only occur via pressure from the expanding "gas cloud", which would be a very small gas cloud, provided the original mass of the bullet.



I) Momentum depends on the mass of the object. In our case, said object - the projectile - is going to be destroyed via collision with an ultra high energy lightbeam.

II) The result of that reaction won't be able to pass through the blade. So if the result was some kind of plasma, it would be reflected - much like blaster bolts (which ARE plasma beams) are bouncing away from the blade. If it's a gas cloud, it's going to vanish (uniform destribution).

III) The "omnidirectional blast" would be the above mentioned expanding "gas cloud" generated out of 10 to 50 grams of the material the projectile consisted off.
But even if we assume, that this would generate any considerable blast. I don't think this would be enough to hurt a Jedi, provided what Obi-Wan takes in his fight with Jango Fett in AotC (rocket exploding right in front of him, turbolaser impacts right next to him...).

I'm satisfied.

Can someone profile Nai's post? It seems every six months or so we get a projectile vs. lightsaber debate somewhere, it would be nice to have some answers on hand.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Can someone profile Nai's post? It seems every six months or so we get a projectile vs. lightsaber debate somewhere, it would be nice to have some answers on hand.

Ew, no. You keep do it, I want to keep my profile clean.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
leap out of the way? when have they ever done that before?

Vader in the empire comics...

Halo Wars is a massive *ag. They're still using automatic rifles 500 years from now.

*EDIT*

Hey, seems like the offtopic threads were closed? Yet this is too massive a thread to be closed

Originally posted by Budada
Halo Wars is a massive *ag. They're still using automatic rifles 500 years from now.

whats wrong with that? projectile weapons are one of the most affective ways to put someone down that you can really think of. projectile weapons> lasers imo.

They > lazers when lasers are capable of blowing up an entire planet??(hint: death star).

lazers are way more better. they can go on and on forever and ever. cause they are light. and green. or red. and sometimes blue.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
whats wrong with that? projectile weapons are one of the most affective ways to put someone down that you can really think of. projectile weapons> lasers imo.

Yes and the deathticle > *** star.

aside from the massive spaceship lasers and whatnot, I'd take a machine gun over a laser anyday in a star wars battle.

depends: Can machine guns get through shields? perhaps lasers were invented because of the shields that you could carry around in KOTOR? If solid weapons don't penetrate, perhaps lasers were invented so that warfare could still be carried on.

Originally posted by truejedi
depends: Can machine guns get through shields? perhaps lasers were invented because of the shields that you could carry around in KOTOR? If solid weapons don't penetrate, perhaps lasers were invented so that warfare could still be carried on.

Melee weapons (read: kinetic attacks) go directly through shields and blasters existed before the development of a personal shield.

isnt there projectile weapons in star wars anyway? in battlefront theres a bloke with a minigun which appears to be projectile based

I think lasers served a more practical use. In a world of giant metal ships, energy shields, and the vacuum of space, "slugs" just don't seem as practical.

With Star Wars tech, it should be easy to propel a slug a few thousand km/s, generating enough kinetic energy to make a turbolaser seem pathetic.

Say you have a 5 kilogram slug, with a diameter of 10cm, traveling at 5 km per second and the target is 1000km away.

You are going to have somewhere around 20000 joules of kinetic energy.

Thats about four grams of TNT in every shot and this is a rather small weapon.

Double Post

(because KMC has a retarded 15 min limit)

If we up the slug to 10kg and 20cm, we get 90000 or so joules instead of 20000.

At 20kg, we get nearly 20,000 joules.

At 50kg, we get almost 50,000 joules.

These are at a modest 5km/s which is possible with today's tech.

Since SW has crazy tech, lets up it to 100km/s and see what we get.

With a 10kg slug at 20cm in diameter, moving at 100km/s with a relative extra 1km/s in relation to the target which is 1000 km away, we get nearly 40 million joules of energy per cm2.

About the equivalent of 130 kilograms of TNT at say a rate of a 100 shots per second. 100 times 40 million is 4 billion. Thats 4 billion joules per second. That's a tactical nuke every second.

And thats with a tiny ass 10kg slug about a little over a foot in diameter (so a really low density slug.)

More realistic would be a much smaller and more dense slug which would pack even more punch, waay more punch.

Key word being "realistic". Star Wars functions on (sometimes literally) magic. Lasers in that universe probably have some sort of God-power of solid projectiles we aren't aware of.

Hmm... so the Executor's reactor emits twice the amount of energy that our Sun does.

And single turbo lasers do in excess of about five gigatons... with heavy turbolasers during around one hundred gigatons.

That's f*cking insane.

Actually, an ISD is supposed to roughly equal the sun and according to Mike Wong the Executor is about 100 times more powerful.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Actually, an ISD is supposed to roughly equal the sun and according to Mike Wong the Executor is about 100 times more powerful.

I need to stop looking at he details behind SW, because the more I do, the more retarded it becomes.

real life has some pretty retarded shit as well.

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1 million rounds a minute

Now I have to ask... what does one do with a gun that fires 1 million rounds per min?

kill one million goats in an amusing fashion?

That's actually quite despicable.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
kill one million goats in an amusing fashion?

Stayin' alive, stayin' alive!

HIGH FIVA MA NAME NA BORAT!!

I think the other video on his channel is way better:

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Originally posted by Slash_KMC
That's actually quite despicable.

How is that despicable?

Originally posted by Autokrat
How is that despicable?

Killing the goat, yelling "oh he's hurting!" and then laughing at it more as its body is terribly getting destroyed.

Meh.

I've got nothing against hunting, but there was nothing amusing about that video. I'd feel pretty bad if I saw any animal, regardless if I had just shot it, fall down a mountain side.

See now, I thought it was hilarious.

it doesnt bother me because the animal more likely than not died a few seconds after it was shot regardless of what the guy was saying.

despite that though 269 chickens are killed per second in the united states. its hard for me to feel sympathy for any one animal enduring pain for twenty seconds...

I'm not exactly sympathetic towards it--witnessing that wouldn't deter me from hunting again. But to actually find humor in animal suffering, it speaks of someone's character.

yeah... i could see that.

i guess it comes down to what you would consider to be "animal suffering" though. personally i would say that if they shot it in the leg or something and then watched it limp around that would be animal suffering but a clean shot to the body would be a more merciful and painless death then what would happen if a wolf or something got to it... and once its dead its not suffering so if its lifeless body happens to roll down a cliff i personally wouldnt see the harm in being amused.

if it was clearly still alive while it tumbled i would feel bad though. my uncle used to own a lamb named lambchop.

I didn't find amusement in the animal's suffering, but in watching it tumble down the hill like a rag doll.

That being said, I don't factor animals into any ethical decision I make.

or gays apparently.

but i guess thats redundant isnt it!?

see what i did there >>

that sniper video was pretty bada though.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
or gays apparently.

but i guess thats redundant isnt it!?

see what i did there >>

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halo def its galexy is so strange but so kool. it has so many diffrent alians and human planets that you dont know of

Originally posted by zeroking24
halo def its galexy is so strange but so kool. it has so many diffrent alians and human planets that you dont know of

Perhaps you should re-think you're 'theory'

The CIS doesn't even need the Republic, they'll win with sheer numbers.

i dont think they have more numbers than the flood.

also covenant technology would mean that a single elite would be worth at least several droids... actually probably a lot more than several.

Even if a plasma rifle doesn't do the damage to a droid that a laser blast would, the Elite's intelligence, accuracy, and strength would make it a more dangerous opponent than a Clonetrooper. Then there's the swords.

And the CIS droids numbered in the Quintillions. Last I played the Halo games, the Flood weren't in their glory days during their war with the Forerunners--their numbers are comparatively small, and Infections mean shite against machines.

interesting that the infections weren't really infections at all: Just lots of aliens that killed people.

I mean the Infection forms--the little pustules that jump at you. They'll do nothing against droids, so the Flood can't replenish their numbers that way. All they really have is melee combat and limited, biomass projectiles. Star Wars weaponry would burn them thoroughly.

i agree with you i hadnt thought of that. hell they wouldnt even be able to create combat forms without hosts.

so yeah the flood would probably get decimated by the cis. i think the covenant could take them down though.

How? Doesn't the Covenant control only a tiny part of the Galaxy?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i agree with you i hadnt thought of that. hell they wouldnt even be able to create combat forms without hosts.

so yeah the flood would probably get decimated by the cis. i think the covenant could take them down though. The Covenant taking down the CIS? Unlikely. Quintillions of battle droids produced quickly and cheaply. I believe Gideon quoted millions of ships. Speed is in SW's favour by s long-shot. And considering that a metal projectile from the MAC gun aboard ODPs can penetrate clear through a Covenant capital ship, and Longsword conventional ordnance blasts hole in said ships, SW's laser technology won't have many problems.

according to traviss there were only three million clones throughout the entirety of the clone wars. so unless 99% of the cis' army was not used in the war that would mean that the clones were fighting and winning battles in which they were outnumbered by trillions to one odds...

considering that the covenant army is about a million times larger in size (they number in the billions) and use superior combat tech on the ground, id say that they could win pretty much any ground engagement without much difficulty.

as for the ships, im of the opinion that halo technology is not that inferior compared to star wars technology. im aware that there are some obscene numbers in regards to the power sources in SW tech, but in the end imperial star destroyers were being utterly annihilated by asteroids in ESB, and a fleet was damaged to the point where they could no longer function by the kinetic energy created from being force pushed several thousand miles.

considering that a MAC round travels at 50% of the speed of light and creates more energy than the entire arsenal of nukes on our planet at the time, id say that it could probably one-shot any vessel in halo or star wars except for maybe the sun crusher.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
according to traviss there were only three million clones throughout the entirety of the clone wars. so unless 99% of the cis' army was not used in the war that would mean that the clones were fighting and winning battles in which they were outnumbered by trillions to one odds... Hence the ridicule she's endured. But the numbers, despite the absurdity, stick.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
considering that the covenant army is about a million times larger in size (they number in the billions) and use superior combat tech on the ground, id say that they could win pretty much any ground engagement without much difficulty.Definitely, SW ground units are either too small or too slow. Even with superior weapons, Wraiths, Ghosts, Locusts etc. move too fast. What the CIS have is fire-rate and overwhelming numbers.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
as for the ships, im of the opinion that halo technology is not that inferior compared to star wars technology. im aware that there are some obscene numbers in regards to the power sources in SW tech, but in the end imperial star destroyers were being utterly annihilated by asteroids in ESB, and a fleet was damaged to the point where they could no longer function by the kinetic energy created from being force pushed several thousand miles. A massive, multi-billion ton asteroid hurtling through space would obliterate any ship from anywhere. And Dorsk 81's Force push wasn't measured in thousands of miles, it was measured in billions. He tossed Pellaeon's ships out of the star system. The fact that they weren't shredded by that is testament their structural integrity.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
considering that a MAC round travels at 50% of the speed of light and creates more energy than the entire arsenal of nukes on our planet at the time, id say that it could probably one-shot any vessel in halo or star wars except for maybe the sun crusher. According to beloved Halopedia, the MAC gun on the Orbital Defense Platform could put a hole clear through a Covenant capital ship. "They are the only non-nuclear weapons in the UNSC arsenal capable of effectively reducing or destroying Covenant shields. Smaller shipborne versions can take as many as three hits to overload a shield... And that's a MAC gun. Not some lone turret on the side of the deck. I'll reference again Admiral Griff's three Star Destroyers that were obliterated when they collided with the Executor's shields. Three giant, mile-long, metal behemoths travelling at hyperspace velocity. Incinerated. Now I know the Providence-class ships don't aren't the Executor, but that's the kind of shielding technology Star Wars has. I very much doubt that Covenant plasma is going to be anymore effective that Star Wars laser (plasma) bolts.

And then we have to consider maneuverability and position/accessibility of weapons placements. The CIS fleet at the Battle of Coruscant hosted thousands of destroyers and frigates, each bristling with turrets that provided a greater field of fire than anything seen in Halo. Even if Covenant plasma can penetrate SW shielding, they just don't have enough guns on their ships to make use of it. And UNSC MACs aren't worth their weight in lead in this fight. ODPs aren't battle ships, they don't traverse the galaxy, and they don't boast shielding, defensive placements, or even engines to move. The strike team during the Battle of Naboo could take those things down. And then there's the fighters. The millions of fighters SW could throw at them. So far, nothing in Halo can match vulture droids' speed, fire-rate, and numbers.

The CIS would win this solo. Jedi, clones, Grievous, Sith, or not. Their weapons are too powerful, their speed is too much, and their numbers are overwhelming. Droids solo.

No one's said it?

Battle Meditation.

Also this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller_(superweapon)

The MAC weapons are moving faster than 14% the speed of light and
thus the standard equation doesn't apply.

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x2.html#rbomb

thanks for the effort borbarad, but, TG already stomped that post i made, hence why i havent responded. youre a few days late. 131

i still love you though 313

and i cant do mth so your posts confuse me. @.@

In my opinion halo has a clear victory over the republic and CIS for multiple reasons.
1. Jedi are no where near as good as people make them out to be. Someone (can't remember his name) calculated the speed of blaster bolts to be around an average of 35m/s (the speed of a thrown baseball) the speed is larger when shot from spacecraft and the evidence is taken from the movies but I am willing to assume the clone wars era blaster have a similar shooting speed, this makes the whole Jedi blocking blaster bolts thing a whole lot less impressive and leads me to my concluding point, if Jedi can be shot down by blaster bolts then bullets that travels hundreds of times faster than blaster bolts then they should have no trouble cutting them down. And for force powers the only abilities that are really dangerous are direct abilities (that usually require site with the object for abilities like force choke etc ect) and so would only be used during battle making them ineffective since they take time and concentration that if your being shot at you can't spare.
2.space battles, this is really simple solution that many people ignore, first Star Wars sheids only block things like plasma so physical objects eg a bullet would pass through them, second there is the armour on there ships, if I am correct then at the time they used durasteel which despite what people say about it is weaker than titanium and in some cases (depending on the source) is weaker than normal steel, by a hundred or so times. This would mean that UNSC weapons would rip the hulls apart and the covernant after getting through the shields would so as well. A reference to this is when a marine claimed a single archer missile can at least mission kill any accept the most armoured ships in the UNSC arsenal so if that is what it does to A-titanium plates then imagine what it would do to the weaker durasteel armour of the Star Wars factions. Covernant ships have an unknown but even stronger armour than the UNSC. Next is the Mac cannon a kinetic weapon made of tungsten a material superior to titanium and depending on the size of the Mac can shoot to speeds of 60,000km/s and so would most likely rip any starwars ship in half. Finally for the UNSC arsenal is its ultimate weapon the NOVA bomb a extremely affective it has an aproxamated range of 60,000 kilometres and the fireball itself covering 217 kilometres, we don't have an exact measurment on the strength but pretty much anything inside the fireball is incinerated and the rest of the blast area would suffer shockwaves, this could in theary destroy the first Death Star and cripple the second single handedly, I am not as well versed in covernant weapons but I do know the majority of their weapons would have to destroy the Star Wars's shields before hitting the hull and after that they would have a similar affect than what they have on human ships just more slightly effective. Now Star Wars weapons are a problem, their weapons in cannon are op in every sense and their are two main problems immediately 1. If their firing thousounds of mega joules of energy them their ha to be recoil and lots of it, so much in fact that the emplacements would fly from their position and back into the ship the moment they fire causing significant damage. 2. Energy consumption, firing the four heavy cannons on a X-wing takes up more power than the USA creates in a year in one volley. So imagine entire fleets firing cannons on a much larger scale than the X-wings their is no way an empire can support that and even if they could they would devote so much to their military that their economy would have broke down. Their is also a theory about how blaster bolts do more or less damage depending on the surface (if you don't know Star Wars blaster bolts shoot either super heated gas or plasma) for example on hoth the at-at's weapons do little damage compared to what they are supposed to do while in a hanger when Han is outside the millennium falcon his blaster bolts from a pistol do almost as much damage as the at-at's heavy blasters which are used on star fighters this led me to believe that since alloys in the Star Wars universe can be plasma resistant then why can't halo's, the UNSC fourt the covenant for years and so there is no doubt that their armour on starships had to have been made at least slightly plasma resistant and the then their shielding inhanced by forerunner teck would be very strong, the covernant would be the in both atmour and shielding.
3.ground battles, in ground battles I have already explained how easy it is to kill Jedi and sixth would be only slightly harder to kill force lightning can damage multiple opponents at once. And the droids would be simpilar assuming they couldn't just shut them of either using a smart A.I or mass emp then since they group up and are relatively stupid meaning bombardment of their mass numbers would cut them down quickly and June to their dumbness without a leader would allow out manoeuvre tactics to be used affectivly, know before I talk about the clones I want to point out that the handheld blasters would suffer the same consequences as the space cannons with the added fault of the weapons heavy weight (the ammo would've very heavy if it were to pack a punch). Ok the clone troopers are heavily trained to the point they almost equal Spartans training wise however they have about half the training that a spartan (due to sped up aging) and since the UNSC have superior weapons and armour in the Spartans case it would give them an edge. For the covernant they would rely on numbers (at the start of the clone wars the clones numbered at around a million while the covernant numbered in the billions in total) and superior vehicles in the form of scarabs or banshees for mass destruction. In a ground battle the only problem was the artilarty which was superior to the halo artilary and the clones at-te (most other vehicles of the clone wars era either have to thin armour or to light weaponry to be affective against halo armour. Another major problem would be commando units bothe the clones and the CIS they have a commando unit these would pose problems on bothe the battle field and in operations behind enemy lines and the only match in the halo universe being Spartans or the best of the elites both getting an edge on weaponry and armour/shielding alone. Overall land battles would be a lot closer and in some cases the halo forces may even be pushed out of a attack and be forced to use their space superiority to their advantage and simply bombard the planets into submission.

Star Wars probably

Wong/Saxton calcs FTW. A single super star destroyer could solo the entire Conevant.

Star Wars with laughable ease. The only other universe like SW that stands a chance against it is Warhammer 40k and Warhammer still loses.