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The fight takes place in an abandoned warehouse. Who wins?

What weapons does Bullseye have?

Is the abondoned warehouse safe for fisticuffs? Is it still up to the strict building code?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What weapons does Bullseye have?

Bullseye only comes to the battle with a dagger and some shuriken.

Silver Samuria

I think SS can sneak up on him and kill him.

If all his has is a a dagger and some shuriken, SS's Tachyon field should keep him safe should Bullseye get to close, and he can port around all willy nilly, while slicing him to ribbons.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I think SS can sneak up on him and kill him.

He did sneak up on Parker and Beast.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Silver Samuria not a chance in hell.

Originally posted by Starscream M
not a chance in hell.

Thread starter gave Lester only one dagger and some shuriken. It's far from stomp.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thread starter gave Lester only one dagger and some shuriken. It's far from stomp. didn't see that. but some shuriken should be enough.

Originally posted by Magneto1982
Bullseye only comes to the battle with a dagger and some shuriken. Bullseye might be the favorite then.

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't see that. but some shuriken should be enough.

Even if Sil didn't block them, they'd have trouble penetrating his armor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Even if Sil didn't block them, they'd have trouble penetrating his armor. he wouldn't be aiming for his armored areas.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he wouldn't be aiming for his armored areas. Bingo.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he wouldn't be aiming for his armored areas.

Like in the fight against DP?

I see, I see...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like in the fight against DP?

I see, I see... Does DP wear armor?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Does DP wear armor?

Sometimes, yeah.

He wore the meat suit in that fight vin

Going with SS here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like in the fight against DP?

I see, I see... thats irrelevant.

Samurai should be able to knock away, avoid, or teleport past anything Bullseye throws at him. His armor would deflect the ones that do get through, and in close quarters Bullseye is good, but not on Samurai's level.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thats irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? facepalm

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How is that irrelevant? facepalm because KMC there is no PIS. duh.

so Bullseye would aim for Sam's non armored areas.

Originally posted by Starscream M
because KMC there is no PIS. duh.

so Bullseye would aim for Sam's non armored areas.

Actually that was CIS, not PIS. And yes, CIS is on by default rules.

So you fail. Yet again.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually that was CIS, not PIS. And yes, CIS is on by default rules.

So you fail. Yet again.

Everyday occurance?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually that was CIS, not PIS. And yes, CIS is on by default rules.

So you fail. Yet again. Im not even aware of the incident you're talking about. What exactly happened between BE and DP?

I've been a member of these forums for 5 years and I admitt I've never read the rules.

Deadpool made a suit out of pig parts that for some odd reason stopped everything bullseye threw at him. On a side note, how much of SS is left unarmored? Just a portion of his face, no?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Deadpool made a suit out of pig parts that for some odd reason stopped everything bullseye threw at him. On a side note, how much of SS is left unarmored? Just a portion of his face, no? yeah, but you gotta remember this is a guy who could flick a toothpick hundreds of yards away and break though a window and kill a target

with shurikens, it would be easy for him to hit Sam's face.

Silver Samurai lives around, trains with, leads, and kills ninjas when he isnt bothering Wolverine, he is used to shurikens. Also he has reflexes that let him hang with Spider-Man, not to mention a pretty decent power set of his own.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, but you gotta remember this is a guy who could flick a toothpick hundreds of yards away and break though a window and kill a target

with shurikens, it would be easy for him to hit Sam's face.

That's not the same. Like I said, CIS still affects him. Give me an example of him looking for weak spots in armor or something like that, then we'll talk.

And what stops Samurai from blocking them? He deflected bullets before.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's not the same. Like I said, CIS still affects him. Give me an example of him looking for weak spots in armor or something like that, then we'll talk.

And what stops Samurai from blocking them? He deflected bullets before.

why in the world would Bullseye flick shurikens at Sam's armor? he's not an idiot.

Why in the world would Samurai stand there and let him? Was their a stipulation where hes wearing cement shoes and cant use his superior agility, speed, or teleportation?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Why in the world would Samurai stand there and let him? Was their a stipulation where hes wearing cement shoes and cant use his superior agility, speed, or teleportation? no, sam would not stand there

but while he could dodge and block some, he's gonna get him. bullseye is more skilled and faster.

Originally posted by Starscream M
why in the world would Bullseye flick shurikens at Sam's armor? he's not an idiot.

Because that was exactly what he did to Deadpool (except those were arrows).

Character Induced Stupidity.

Besides, he would most likely underestimate his armor. Luke Cage vs. spoon anyone?

I would disagree about being more skilled. And he still has to be able to hit a very small, moving target that can come from anywhere, swat away what hes throwing, and appear out of nowhere.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because that was exactly what he did to Deadpool (except those were arrows).

Character Induced Stupidity.

Besides, he would most likely underestimate his armor. Luke Cage vs. spoon anyone? Deadpool wore meatarmor...which BE assumed would be penetrable.

he wouldn't assume that for the armor Sam wears.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no, sam would not stand there

but while he could dodge and block some, he's gonna get him. bullseye is more skilled and faster.

Yet it was SS who was so fast that he shocked Spidey.

No unlimited ammo cheat code for Bullseye here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Deadpool wore meatarmor...which BE assumed would be penetrable.

he wouldn't assume that for the armor Sam wears.

*sigh*


Again:

Luke Cage vs. spoon.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Luke Cage vs. spoon. What?! what're you babbling about...neither of those are in this fight

Originally posted by Starscream M
What?! what're you babbling about...neither of those are in this fight

facepalm facepalm facepalm

a spoon


Bullseye. Attacked. Cage. With. A. Spoon.

Wouldve been sweet if he beat that a-hole with it.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Wouldve been sweet if he beat that a-hole with it.



Agreed. Bendis is wanking him way too much.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
facepalm facepalm facepalm

a spoon


Bullseye. Attacked. Cage. With. A. Spoon. again, thats irrelevant. Cage doesn't really have weak spots. unlike Sam.

Originally posted by Starscream M
again, thats irrelevant. Cage doesn't really have weak spots. unlike Sam.

He doesn't? Ever heard of pressure points?

And my point was that he underestimated Cage's durability.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He doesn't? Ever heard of pressure points?

And my point was that he underestimated Cage's durability. so? does that mean he will underestimate Sam's armor? I doubt it.

You're dense.

And you're ignoring all of Samurai's abilities. Bullseye needs more equipment than what he has here to win this. Much more.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I've been a member of these forums for 5 years and I admitt I've never read the rules.
same lol asside from bits and pieces.

Originally posted by redhotrash
And you're ignoring all of Samurai's abilities. Bullseye needs more equipment than what he has here to win this. Much more.
cosigned and what worse is he assume Bulleye will hit the one opening in the armor of individual who a moving target and display speeds and reflexes great enough to match Spiderman, Shang-chi and Wolverine in combat.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I've been a member of these forums for 5 years and I admitt I've never read the rules.
That's something to throw around.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so? does that mean he will underestimate Sam's armor? I doubt it.


You're not backing up your claims. I did back up mine.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Give me an example of him looking for weak spots in armor or something like that, then we'll talk.

Originally posted by Starscream M
You're dense.

Says the guy who thought Gorgon was non-zombie in both Enemy of the State and Agent of SHIELD arcs and does not know the difference between PIS and CIS...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
cosigned and what worse is he assume Bulleye will hit the one opening in the armor of individual who a moving target and display speeds and reflexes great enough to match Spiderman, Shang-chi and Wolverine in combat.

When did he fight Shang-Chi? All I know about is one encounter in Marvel Team-Up when SS tried to tag him and missed. Then Spidey stepped in.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're not backing up your claims. I did back up mine.
I don't need to back up common knowledge issues.

Bullseye is a extremely, skilled and competent assassin. Why in the world would he try to attack Sam's armored areas with shurikens?

it makes no sense.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't need to back up common knowledge issues.

Bullseye is a extremely, skilled and competent assassin. Why in the world would he try to attack Sam's armored areas with shurikens?

it makes no sense.

CIS is on, like it or not. Therefore DP and Cage incidents are relevant to the topic.

I'm not even sure his accuracy is as good as it used to be.


Why would he do that? Because with his insane strength he'd be able to pierce an ordinary samurai armor.

And just so you know, DD wore costume made by Richards. Did you see Bullseye aiming for his jaw? I didn't.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
CIS is on, like it or not. Therefore DP and Cage incidents are relevant to the topic.

I'm not even sure his accuracy is as good as it used to be.


Why would he do that? Because with his insane strength he'd be able to pierce an ordinary samurai armor.

And just so you know, DD wore costume made by Richards. Did you see Bullseye aiming for his jaw? I didn't. CIS does not mean BE is reduced to a drooling idiot

last I checked, he isn't a jobber like Rhino

Maybe he'll thow one shuriken at Sam's armor...but once he realizes he can't pierce it, he won't continue the futile maneuver that you are claiming

your logic is ridiculous

I'm having a hard time seeing SS win after how easily Logan was able to take him out recently.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm having a hard time seeing SS win after how easily Logan was able to take him out recently.

That is one occasion.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but while he could dodge and block some, he's gonna get him. bullseye is more skilled and faster.

Silver Samurai is faster and more skilled.

Silver Samurai wins.

Originally posted by Xplosive




Silver Samurai is faster and more skilled.

Sam wears heavy armor...he's not faster than BE.

Also, BE routinely fights Elektra and DD, both of whom are more skilled than Sam's enemies.

Originally posted by Starscream M
CIS does not mean BE is reduced to a drooling idiot

last I checked, he isn't a jobber like Rhino

Maybe he'll thow one shuriken at Sam's armor...but once he realizes he can't pierce it, he won't continue the futile maneuver that you are claiming

your logic is ridiculous

It does not mean he'd develop some Karnak-esque ability or Kenuichio would lose all his speed and skill, either.

It takes a Rhino lv jobber to lose to SS?

Like in the DP fight? And all that while Samurai does nothing but just stands here?

FYI, objects thrown by Bullseye can be dodged, blocked and even withstood. SS is no slouch at damage soak department.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm having a hard time seeing SS win after how easily Logan was able to take him out recently.

He didn't take him out

Originally posted by Starscream M
Sam wears heavy armor...he's not faster than BE.

Also, BE routinely fights Elektra and DD, both of whom are more skilled than Sam's enemies.

Both DD and Elektra fought Samurai...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW




He didn't take him out



He didn't want to. But he could have at any time iirc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Both DD and Elektra fought Samurai... they're not his main foe though. his main foe is a rabid hairy little runt.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He didn't want to. But he could have at any time iirc.

And that's where you are wrong. Logan even admitted that in a fight with Silver Samurai he has no choice but to use lethal force. He evaded him for a moment, that's all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
they're not his main foe though. his main foe is a rabid hairy little runt.

You said enemies. In plural.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And that's where you are wrong. Logan even admitted that in a fight with Silver Samurai he has no choice but to use lethal force. He evaded him for a moment, that's all.

. In plural. Logan had not intention of hurting SS during the fight I recall. He even sheathed his claws .

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


You said enemies. In plural. BE has killed elektra, who is faster, and more skilled than Sam.

checkmate.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Logan had not intention of hurting SS during the fight I recall. He even sheathed his claws .

Now you're just being mean. Yeah, he sheathed his claws. He came there to ask him for sword training. That doesn't mean he'd be able to score a flawless victory.

Going by your logic, Logan having no intention of hurting Colossus and not using his claws means he would be able to stomp him, too? Think about it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
BE has killed elektra, who is faster, and more skilled than Sam.

checkmate.

My God, ABC logic?

SS one-shotted Spider-Man. Spider-Man made a short work of Bullseye. Samurai winz!!!

And what about those times when Elektra owned Lester...?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Now you're just being mean. Yeah, he sheathed his claws. He came there to ask him for sword training. That doesn't mean he'd be able to score a flawless victory.

Going by your logic, Logan having no intention of hurting Colossus and not using his claws means he would be able to stomp him, too? Think about it.



Logan could have killed him in the first exchange going by your logic.

That was one of the gayest comparison's I have ever seen.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


My God, ABC logic?

SS one-shotted Spider-Man. Spider-Man made a short work of Bullseye. Samurai winz!!!

And what about those times when Elektra owned Lester...?

ABC logic is not always wrong. If I say hulk is stronger than Iron Man and Iron Man is stronger than Spiderman...I can logically say hulk is stronger than spiderman.

Spiderman often jobs and is not good against MAs

stilt, you're really really grasping at straws. stop. please.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Logan could have killed him in the first exchange going by your logic.

That was one of the gayest comparison's I have ever seen.

Samurai knew Logan didn't want to fight. He could afford being careless. Furthermore, he saw Logan sheathing claws. He took several punches from Logan in the past, no reason he wouldn't be able to take a single one.

You're right, that sounded so wrong

Originally posted by Starscream M
ABC logic is not always wrong. If I say hulk is stronger than Iron Man and Iron Man is stronger than Spiderman...I can logically say hulk is stronger than spiderman.

Spiderman often jobs and is not good against MAs

When it comes to fights, ABC logic sucks and you know it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
stilt, you're really really grasping at straws. stop. please.

You are the one that has yet to prove anything in this debate.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Samurai knew Logan didn't want to fight. He could afford being careless. Furthermore, he saw Logan sheathing claws. He took several punches from Logan in the past, no reason he wouldn't be able to take a single one.

That's a horrible view to take.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


When it comes to fights, ABC logic sucks and you know it.



Not when the characters have never fought each other.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's a horrible view to take.

Even if Wolverine one-shotted Harada then, it doesn't mean it would happen in the ten out of ten fights...

Bullseye needs more weapons or he gets killed here. Period.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Even if Wolverine one-shotted Harada then, it doesn't mean it would happen in the ten out of ten fights...

Bullseye needs more weapons or he gets killed here. Period. I was not talking about a one-shot with his fist. I'm talking about having his claws out. Remember he did something similar to Blade in their fight? I don't think that every time Logan sheaths his claws that means he's holding back. Not everybody swings for the fences during a fight otherwise most of Superman's fights would be over in like 2 or 3 panels.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Bullseye needs more weapons or he gets killed here. Period. BE has better weapons than he usually has.

Originally posted by Starscream M
BE has better weapons than he usually has.

...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
... his standard gear is pretty crappy

shurikens and dagger would be upgrade imo

Originally posted by Starscream M
his standard gear is pretty crappy

shurikens and dagger would be upgrade imo

He carries shurikens, daggers and sais very often... now he has all those trick arrows...

Stop pretending you know anything about either character, it's really annoying.

lol burn

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He carries shurikens, daggers and sais very often... now he has all those trick arrows...

Stop pretending you know anything about either character, it's really annoying. trick arrows is not considered standard

nor are sais, dagger or shurikens for BE

try again, you pompous jerk

God!! Bullseye is currently Avengers status he would stacked up in weaponry capable in taking stupid and I mean STUPID Silver Samurai through the eye! A warehouse will be a treasure trove of projectiles for him to use. Deal enough explosives to bring him out into the fray and throw enough accurate (thats his power) blades at different body parts to mortally wound him. then just take your pick of ways he can finish him off. Silver Samurai is a far Over estimated character.

Originally posted by Starscream M
trick arrows is not considered standard

For current Bullseye? Of course they are. Are you reading Dark Reign? Silly question, you don't read comics at all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
nor are sais, dagger or shurikens for BE

try again, you pompous jerk

WHAT?! This needs to be profiled

What is his standard equipment according you then? Just the objects laying around? LOL.

Pistol isn't his standard equipment, though he carries it sometimes.


And think next time before you insult me. Last time you had a month long ban, right? While I'm not gonna report you, I won't defend you from the mods, either.

Originally posted by the ninjak
God!! Bullseye is currently Avengers status he would stacked up in weaponry capable in taking stupid and I mean STUPID Silver Samurai through the eye! A warehouse will be a treasure trove of projectiles for him to use. Deal enough explosives to bring him out into the fray and throw enough accurate (thats his power) blades at different body parts to mortally wound him. then just take your pick of ways he can finish him off. Silver Samurai is a far Over estimated character.

No prep for Lester and all he has here is 1 dagger and "some" shurikens.

Well then its just a mythological battle between samurai vs ninja but I believe in this instance the ninja is alot more daring and accomplished and talented than a guy swordsman with a lightsaber. And Silver Samurai is no Jedi!

Samurai is also not very agile and Bullseye will just trap him and blow him away!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
For current Bullseye? Of course they are. Are you reading Dark Reign? Silly question, you don't read comics at all.



WHAT?! This needs to be profiled

What is his standard equipment according you then? Just the objects laying around? LOL.

Pistol isn't his standard equipment, though he carries it sometimes.


And think next time before you insult me. Last time you had a month long ban, right? While I'm not gonna report you, I won't defend you from the mods, either.



No prep for Lester and all he has here is 1 dagger and "some" shurikens.

Didn't mean to offend you sorry.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Didn't mean to offend you sorry.

It's okay.

So, back to Bullseye. Just because he doesn't use that and that weapon in every appearance doesn't mean it can't be considered his standard equipment. In Elektra fight he just pulled hira-shurikens, a bo-shuriken, a sai and a dagger out of his ass. Even as Dark Hawkeye he had a knife and stabbed Daken with it.

Daredevil, Elektra, Moonstone, Songbird, American Eagle, Moon Knight... against every one of them Bullseye used shurikens, knives or sais. Isn't that enough?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's okay.

So, back to Bullseye. Just because he doesn't use that and that weapon in every appearance doesn't mean it can't be considered his standard equipment. In Elektra fight he just pulled hira-shurikens, a bo-shuriken, a sai and a dagger out of his ass. Even as Dark Hawkeye he had a knife and stabbed Daken with it.

Daredevil, Elektra, Moonstone, Songbird, American Eagle, Moon Knight... against every one of them Bullseye used shurikens, knives or sais. Isn't that enough? I guess. I've always thought of him as not having any 'standard' equipment and just equips according to his latest assignment.

bullseye up until recently did carry a sidearm on him right leg.

Can't Samurai fire energy blast at him?
Can't Samurai deflect bullets, especially if he only has to block his face area only?

I don't see how Bulleye even gets one win here.
A energy blast is faster than a projectile and can hit Bulleye's first.

Originally posted by h1a8
Can't Samurai fire energy blast at him?

What? I've seen him deflecting energy blast, but never firing one. When did that happen?

Originally posted by h1a8
Can't Samurai deflect bullets, especially if he only has to block his face area only?

Yep

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/382/page0012.th.jpg

And ninjak said he's no Jedi Anyway Lester doesn't have a gun here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What? I've seen him deflecting energy blast, but never firing one. When did that happen?



I never seen it myself either. I believe he might have had this power since the video game "X-men Children of the atom" and "Marvel vs. Capcom 2" portrays him doing these things. If he can't then those games are very bogus for even having him do that when he can't.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never seen it myself either. I believe he might have had this power since the video game "X-men Children of the atom" and "Marvel vs. Capcom 2" portrays him doing these things. If he can't then those games are very bogus for even having him do that when he can't.

He can charge a knife for example, so it could cut through virtually anything and then throw it, Gambit-style... but he can't just blast people.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He can charge a knife for example, so it could cut through virtually anything and then throw it, Gambit-style... but he can't just blast people.

Imagine if he can do the same with a gun and bullet and had bulleye's aim (even though he already has a great sense of aim already). He can kill almost any top tier who can react to gun fire.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never seen it myself either. I believe he might have had this power since the video game "X-men Children of the atom" and "Marvel vs. Capcom 2" portrays him doing these things. If he can't then those games are very bogus for even having him do that when he can't.

Originally posted by h1a8
Imagine if he can do the same with a gun and bullet and had bulleye's aim (even though he already has a great sense of aim already). He can kill almost any top tier who can react to gun fire.

True, that would be awesome.

I just believe that if you cant hit a guy with projectiles because he deflects them ....and he isnt very fast on his feet.... then Bullseye would just explode his area with one of those arrows he has now ....then move in to finish him off..... This fight have turned out exactly the same if it were Gambit Vs Samurai. But for some reason he has gone in there half cocked.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I just believe that if you cant hit a guy with projectiles because he deflects them ....and he isnt very fast on his feet.... then Bullseye would just explode his area with one of those arrows he has now ....then move in to finish him off..... This fight have turned out exactly the same if it were Gambit Vs Samurai. But for some reason he has gone in there half cocked.

No Dark Hawkeye equipment for him here. And you're wrong, Harada has very good ground speed. His agility doesn't suck either, though it's not on par with that of Bullseye.

Silver Samurai dodged Gambit's cards without much problem.

What if Harada started using guns like one of the former Iron Fists?

Anyways, I can see some sort of stalemate happening here. Samurai getting hit and landing a cut.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Silver Samurai dodged Gambit's cards without much problem. What issue was this?

X-Men #22.

Bullseye had some pretty cool feats in Dark Reign: Hawkeye #5 I heard.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Bullseye had some pretty cool feats in Dark Reign: Hawkeye #5 I heard.
He shot a teleporter and used a plane to not miss another.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Bullseye had some pretty cool feats in Dark Reign: Hawkeye #5 I heard.

I have to read it. Why did it come out so late?

Don't know. It is kinda weird.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Don't know. It is kinda weird.


The plane ....yes
the teleporter.....was awesome!!!!!