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Wonder Woman vs Classic style Apocalypse. Fight in the desert. Who wins this?

With CIS and PIS, Apoc takes this 7-8/10.

lol, I already know your thoughts on this, thats why I made the thread! Anyhow I stand by my opinion that her strength, light speed travel, h2h skills, and weapon set (bracers and such) would take him down. For the most part Apocalypse relies on turning his hands into giant drills and such, which would be no match for her.

been done so many times and WW comes out on top everytime warrior born beauty takes this no problem

Originally posted by redhotrash
lol, I already know your thoughts on this, thats why I made the thread! Anyhow I stand by my opinion that her strength, light speed travel, h2h skills, and weapon set (bracers and such) would take him down. For the most part Apocalypse relies on turning his hands into giant drills and such, which would be no match for her.

She has only traveled at FTL speed once.
The bracers and speed won't help her when Apoc keeps on teleporting and throwng sharp objects at her.
Strenght SHOULD go to Apoc but since he has never showed hes ability to grant himself any strenght level he desires im gonna leave it at that.

Seriously people agree on Apoc beating/stomping WWH, Savage Hulk and Jugg(same time), and Gladiator, but somehow he can't beat Diana?

Apoc has tanked BLACK BOLT's SCREAM.

and check these out..

Vs Ikaris(who is atleast WW level)
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg

Vs High evo(who has challenged big G himself)
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_16_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_23_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_24_rougher.jpg

Originally posted by outavodka
been done so many times and WW comes out on top everytime warrior born beauty takes this no problem
It was 50-50..

Shes hit obscene speeds many times. Speed of sound would be sufficient, but she can go much faster.
When has Apocalypse really used combat teleportation similiar to Nightcrawler? The moment he appears she'd be on him.
And "throwing sharp objects"??? Seriously?
Would be be immune to her lasso? Or her tiara? Or her h2h skills backed by her high strength? Apocalypse was nearly done in by Dracula, who physically is leagues below Diana.
Side Note: I cant imagine someone saying hes beating Hulk and Juggernaut at the same time, but this is KMC...

Originally posted by redhotrash
Shes hit obscene speeds many times. Speed of sound would be sufficient, but she can go much faster.
When has Apocalypse really used combat teleportation similiar to Nightcrawler? The moment he appears she'd be on him.
And "throwing sharp objects"??? Seriously?
Would be be immune to her lasso? Or her tiara? Or her h2h skills backed by her high strength? Apocalypse was nearly done in by Dracula, who physically is leagues below Diana.
Side Note: I cant imagine someone saying hes beating Hulk and Juggernaut at the same time, but this is KMC...

Did you look at the scans?
He can use hes malleability to avoid the lasso of truth.
He uses hes teleportation to evade HE's blast.
Apoc has shot out bullets from hes mouth.
Apoc was awoken a few CENTURIES early. HE WAS WEAKENED when he fought Drac. There was also Drac's bite.
Plus what is going to stop Apoc from merging himself with Diana as soon as she touches him?

There is also shields and crap. And telekenisis. And technopathy. And size alteration.

Oh, and Apoc has owned Iceman several times. An OMEGA level mutant.

]Did you look at the scans?
He can use hes malleability to avoid the lasso of truth.
Like he used it avoid Stryfe punching him in the face? Or Cable blasting him? Or any of the other three dozen times hes been clobbered?
He uses hes teleportation to evade HE's blast.
See above. Also he almost never uses combat teleportation. For him its always been a 'get from point a to b' power rather than something he regularly uses.
Apoc has shot out bullets from hes mouth.
So?
Apoc was awoken a few CENTURIES early. HE WAS WEAKENED when he fought Drac. There was also Drac's bite.
He still was getting owned by a Blade villain
Plus what is going to stop Apoc from merging himself with Diana as soon as she touches him?
The fact that hes only done that like once? If you can use that, Im using Diana's lightspeed.

There is also shields and crap. And telekenisis. And technopathy. And size alteration.

Oh, and Apoc has owned Iceman several times. An OMEGA level mutant.
He beat up Iceman when he was still throwing snowballs at people. Iceman wasnt recognized as Omega Level until semi-recently.

Originally posted by redhotrash
]Did you look at the scans?
He can use hes malleability to avoid the lasso of truth.
Like he used it avoid Stryfe punching him in the face? Or Cable blasting him? Or any of the other three dozen times hes been clobbered?
He uses hes teleportation to evade HE's blast.
See above. Also he almost never uses combat teleportation. For him its always been a 'get from point a to b' power rather than something he regularly uses.
Apoc has shot out bullets from hes mouth.
So?
Apoc was awoken a few CENTURIES early. HE WAS WEAKENED when he fought Drac. There was also Drac's bite.
He still was getting owned by a Blade villain
Plus what is going to stop Apoc from merging himself with Diana as soon as she touches him?
The fact that hes only done that like once? If you can use that, Im using Diana's lightspeed.

There is also shields and crap. And telekenisis. And technopathy. And size alteration.

Oh, and Apoc has owned Iceman several times. An OMEGA level mutant.
He beat up Iceman when he was still throwing snowballs at people. Iceman wasnt recognized as Omega Level until semi-recently.

Stryfe's death...
http://g.imagehost.org/t/0409/Xforce16-015.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0497/Xforce16-016.jpg

Apoc has owned Cable more than Cable has owned him.

And Apoc rarely uses hes abilities such as malleability or teleportation because of hes jobbing. You said CIS and PIS are off. They fight wisely here.

Diana takes 6 or 7

Bragging about beating cable isnt that impressive considering that the Cable hes fighting is basically a gimped TK mutant with guns.

Originally posted by galactusischere

Vs Ikaris(who is atleast WW level)

Ikaris has class 40 strength, lacks her gear, and is slower. Granted, he has powerful energy manipulation instead, but I wouldn't put him at WW level.

Why do people keep comparing Ikaris to mid-high level heralds?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Bragging about beating cable isnt that impressive considering that the Cable hes fighting is basically a gimped TK mutant with guns.

What about Stryfe? Ikaris? Loki? HE? Exodus? X-factor? X-men? Avengers? She Hulk?

People arent, 1 person is.

Diana beats him almost as easily as Superman would.

Originally posted by galactusischere
What about Stryfe? Ikaris? Loki? HE? Exodus? X-factor? X-men? Avengers? She Hulk? HE and the Avengers are fairly impressive nothing leaps and bounds above what Diana has dealt with.

Originally posted by redhotrash
People arent, 1 person is. ...
The Apoc Vs wondy thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519582& amp;highlight=title%3A%28wonder+woman+vs+apocalyps
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Ikaris Vs. wondy:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=482354& amp;highlight=title%3A%28ikaris+vs+wonder+woman%29


Apoc Vs. Juggs:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=446135& amp;highlight=title%3A%28apocalypse+vs+juggernaut%
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Wondy Vs. Juggs:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=517105& amp;highlight=title%3A%28wonder+woman+vs+juggernau
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Not only one person, I assure u.

WW wins.

No CIS Apoc wins imo.

Unless there's a table around.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why do people keep comparing Ikaris to mid-high level heralds?

I don't know, it's pretty weird. I mean, he's no slouch, he's not useless against them in a fight, but he's definitely not on the same level from what I know.

Apocalypse

Originally posted by Q99
I don't know, it's pretty weird. I mean, he's no slouch, he's not useless against them in a fight, but he's definitely not on the same level from what I know. The thing is, Ikaris IS a mid herald. He might not be very strong(physically) but his other attributes add up.

Originally posted by galactusischere
The thing is, Ikaris IS a mid herald. He might not be very strong(physically) but his other attributes add up.

Which ones? His speed's a joke in comparison. Just his energy blasting?

Originally posted by Q99
Which ones? His speed's a joke in comparison. Just his energy blasting?

he has telepathy as well but still...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Diana beats him almost as easily as Superman would.

Originally posted by Mindset
No CIS Apoc wins imo.

Unless there's a table around.
Oh you!

Originally posted by galactusischere
The thing is, Ikaris IS a mid herald. He might not be very strong(physically) but his other attributes add up. No he isn't he's like Maxima lite and she's not even a mid level herald

I'm getting really pissed off at the "He can teleport and throw sharp objects" argument in every thread.

Teleportation is near useless with her speed. She isn't vulnerable to sharp objects. STOP WITH THE SHARP OBJECTS.

Sharp objects are her weakness.

Teleportation confuses her as she is a woman.

Sound strategy IMO

Originally posted by Blanket
Sharp objects are her weakness.

Teleportation confuses her as she is a woman.

Sound strategy IMO

Originally posted by Blanket
Sharp objects are her weakness.

Teleportation confuses her as she is a woman.

Sound strategy IMO

Sharp objects are NOT her weakness.

She doesn't get penetrated by bullets.
She doesn't get cut by spears, arrows, knives.

She was outright surprised the last time she got hit with an arrow and it drew blood and- guess what? It was magical.

Bullets make her feel pained. That's the extent of the damage a bullet or any sharp (non enhanced) object has ever done to her.

Not to mention she is constantly getting upgraded over time to higher durability levels.

Apoc shoots the knives at the speed of bullets with magical Celestial tech.

With all three bases covered, I think I've proven it works.

Apoc gives her a hug and cuts her up like Ikaris

I think Apoc would extend that spike somewhere else if he were hugging Diana...

Originally posted by Blanket
Apoc shoots the knives at the speed of bullets with magical Celestial tech.

With all three bases covered, I think I've proven it works.

Not a problem, bracers.

Originally posted by Blanket
Sharp objects are her weakness.

Teleportation confuses her as she is a woman.

Sound strategy IMO
This.

Speed of bullets? She moves a little faster than that... And again I cant remember Apocalypse ever using his teleportation as a standard battle power. Always struck me more as a Star trek type teleport rather than a Nightcrawler type.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Speed of bullets? She moves a little faster than that... And again I cant remember Apocalypse ever using his teleportation as a standard battle power. Always struck me more as a Star trek type teleport rather than a Nightcrawler type.
Being wrong is never fun.

Burden of proof is on you. Show a single example of him EVER using it like that.

This comes to mind.
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/X-Factor025Page15.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/X-Factor025Page16.jpg

Yea, he combat-teleports, but she can pretty easily keep up with that.

She did pretty decent against Genocide who can teleport and has strength and combat speed on par with Diana.

Originally posted by Blanket
Apoc shoots the knives at the speed of bullets with magical Celestial tech.

With all three bases covered, I think I've proven it works.

You didn't prove anything...

She's not vulnerable to knives.

Apocalypse ftw....... She cant hurt him as he melds to her and unleashes some of that alien tech onto her. That or rips some adamentium into her...he captured wolverine and the hulk.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Apocalypse ftw....... She cant hurt him as he melds to her and unleashes some of that alien tech onto her. That or rips some adamentium into her...he captured wolverine and the hulk.

Oh, she's got ways to hurt him. He's resistant but not immune to physical impact damage, and aside from pounding she can slice him up with the tiara. The lasso is also good at restraining pretty much everyone.

Originally posted by Konton
You didn't prove anything...

She's not vulnerable to knives.

Crucifer almost killed her with a sword....

Oh yea, one more attack she has, a recent one; lightning from the aegis bracers.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Crucifer almost killed her with a sword....

This has been addressed. Even assuming it was a massively enchanted sword (which, since this was a guy strong enough to mind-control Superman, seems likely), she really shouldn't have been in that bad shape after.

There was a lot of PIS stupidity there.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh yea, one more attack she has, a recent one; lightning from the aegis bracers.



This has been addressed. Even assuming it was a massively enchanted sword (which, since this was a guy strong enough to mind-control Superman, seems likely), she really shouldn't have been in that bad shape after.

There was a lot of PIS stupidity there.

Crucifer never "mind controlled" Superman. It was nudge. Drac only bit him to increase hes control over him.

The reason that the X-men and some of the Avengers that Apoc attacked are alive is because of PIS.

BTW the sword wasn't enchanted.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Crucifer never "mind controlled" Superman. It was nudge. Drac only bit him to increase hes control over him.


I admit, I haven't read the story. Mostly because the reviews generally peg it as horrible and full of people's powers not working right (biting Superman makes vamps burst into flames!).



Then that was extreme plot-induced stupidity. Wonder Woman was recently surprised when blades pierced her skin, then quickly came to the conclusion they were god-forged. Said god-forged weapons still didn't pierce very deep, her tissue's pretty dense after all. And of course, her bones aren't vulnerable to piercing like her flesh is, and she has a healing factor.

Originally posted by Q99


I admit, I haven't read the story. Mostly because the reviews generally peg it as horrible and full of people's powers not working right (biting Superman makes vamps burst into flames!).

Crucifer had a hard time eating/drinking/sucking supes blood. Infact in that story he was defeated because of that particular weakness(not being able to succesfuly drink J'onn's blood)





You won't get any arguement from me there. I admit that event was full of PIS but it happened.

Diana's HF is NOTHING compared to Apoc's. Apoc has deadpool level HF.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apoc has deadpool level HF. He does?

Originally posted by Mindset
He does?
He can regrow limbs.

That's not exactly Deadpool level though.

I mean, Deadpool is immortal, so it's kind of hard to compete with that.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's not exactly Deadpool level though.

I mean, Deadpool is immortal, so it's kind of hard to compete with that.
Well Apoc is immortal too. Immortal as in he won't die by aging. But deadpool is forbiden from Death's realm right?

Wonder Woman

To rid the world of the foolish notion that the x-men can actually take Apocalypse in a fight. Apocalypse is always playing with them:

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/xf006pg16.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/xf006pg20.jpg

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http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/26.jpg

Apocalypse vs Ikaris:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg

Apocalypse vs HE:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_16_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_23_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_24_rougher.jpg

Apocalypse is like a weak Thanos and a stong Morph....
He has complete control of his biological self and its full of Advanced alien tech. He hasnt been covered enough but his track record sugests he is a mutant with immense potential who will never realise it because he is quite insane.... Dracula recently nearly owned him as a pet!!!! he was just lucky he escaped his grasp.

Originally posted by Konton
You didn't prove anything...

She's not vulnerable to knives. If they are magical she is

Originally posted by the ninjak
Apocalypse is like a weak Thanos and a stong Morph....
He has complete control of his biological self and its full of Advanced alien tech. He hasnt been covered enough but his track record sugests he is a mutant with immense potential who will never realise it because he is quite insane.... Dracula recently nearly owned him as a pet!!!! he was just lucky he escaped his grasp.

You mean in the Dracula/Apocalypse story? In that story Apoc was weakened because he was awakened a few centuries short.

Originally posted by iceman24567
If they are magical she is

Which has no relevance here.

Originally posted by Konton
Which has no relevance here. To me it does now stfu

bump

I liked Apoc up until the Dracula versus Apocalypse comic,where Apocalypse was knocked on his arse by dogs and rats.

Originally posted by The Pict
I liked Apoc up until the Dracula versus Apocalypse comic,where Apocalypse was knocked on his arse by dogs and rats.

Apoc was weakened in that story.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
To rid the world of the foolish notion that the x-men can actually take Apocalypse in a fight. Apocalypse is always playing with them:

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/xf006pg16.jpg
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Apocalypse vs Ikaris:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg

Apocalypse vs HE:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_16_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_23_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_24_rougher.jpg I laughed really hard at that first scan

Originally posted by Blanket
I laughed really hard at that first scan

He looks like Mumm-ra from Thundercats.

Originally posted by Blanket
I laughed really hard at that first scan
Apoc is shooping his whoops.

So Apoc pretty much wins this?

Originally posted by galactusischere
So Apoc pretty much wins this? Everyone else agrees

En Sabah Nur

Diana via arm bar

Originally posted by iceman24567
Diana via arm bar And then his arm wraps around her and cuts her. She came too close to the knife weakness.

NO WAI!

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apoc was weakened in that story.

It was dogs and rats

Besides he might have been awoken early but getting pierced by bat fangs is a piss-poor durability feat. Sure that comic pissed all over Apocalypse but when things like that happen I can't see him surviving a few WW level punches.

Apocalypse. Easily.

Apocalypse becomes the size of a building...too big for the lasso.
Makes himself hard as Adamantium... beats her strength.
Wraps around her and Telekinetically holds her with Celestrial tech.
Then buzzsaws her with hundreds of little adamantium sharp blades.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Apocalypse becomes the size of a building...too big for the lasso.
Makes himself hard as Adamantium... beats her strength.
Wraps around her and Telekinetically holds her with Celestrial tech.
Then buzzsaws her with hundreds of little adamantium sharp blades.

The lasso gets as big as Diana needs it to be, and only has to touch someone to work. Doesn't need to wrap around you. Although after coming into contact it's been shown to wrap around on its own.

He gets hard, she uses the lasso or tiara for the easy pwn.

He won't catch her to wrap around her...

I don't see him tk-ing her before she blitzes him down at round start. Even if he snares her I don't think he's going to hold her for long.

He has teleportation. Stop hating on the guy.
He kills any mid herald-low high herald character with ease.

Apoc can simply PULL the lasso which has been done many times(by queen of fables, genocide) etc.

But she's so much faster than him teleportation isn't a big deal. Just like it wouldn't be a big deal if Nightcrawler was fighting her.

Queen of Fables is skyfather level and Genocide is made from the soil of a dead Wonder Woman so it's sketchy. It also helps that Genocide is way stronger than Diana AND Superman. And since you brought up Genocide, take into account Diana ended up pwning her with speed and skill even though she had superior strength and teleportation.

Originally posted by Konton
But she's so much faster than him teleportation isn't a big deal. Just like it wouldn't be a big deal if Nightcrawler was fighting her.

Queen of Fables is skyfather level and Genocide is made from the soil of a dead Wonder Woman so it's sketchy. It also helps that Genocide is way stronger than Diana AND Superman. And since you brought up Genocide, take into account Diana ended up pwning her with speed and skill even though she had superior strength and teleportation.

Protex or some other white martian did it too...

AND, Diana has been mind controlled before by other telepaths, so what is going to stop Apoc from doing that?


and SHOW me actual combat speed of Diana. APoc has FTL COMBAT teleportation. FT sound COMBAT speed.

and he has telekenisis, force fields etc.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Protex or some other white martian did it too...

AND, Diana has been mind controlled before by other telepaths, so what is going to stop Apoc from doing that?


and SHOW me actual combat speed of Diana. APoc has FTL COMBAT teleportation. FT sound COMBAT speed.

and he has telekenisis, force fields etc.
As of one of her latest upgrades Diana is immune to TP.

Diana has been upgraded, rather recently, with the eye of Pallas. Fully immune to telepathy.

Posting her ftl feats would be redundant at this point and I'm tired of doing it.

Show me Apocs ftl feats.

Originally posted by Konton
Diana has been upgraded, rather recently, with the eye of Pallas. Fully immune to telepathy.

Posting her ftl feats would be redundant at this point and I'm tired of doing it.

Show me Apocs ftl feats.
Or his super-sonic feats even.

Faster than sound..
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/03.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/04.jpg

Faster than the eye can see..
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/X-Factor025Page26.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/X-Factor025Page32.jpg

Faster than light..
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg

He also has a REGENERATIVE healing factor.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Faster than sound..
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/03.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/04.jpg

Faster than the eye can see..
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/X-Factor025Page26.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/X-Factor025Page32.jpg

Faster than light..
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg

Uhhh... did you accidentally link to the wrong scans? None of those scans show what you are saying, at all. And teleport-dodging Beast is no biggie -- while agile and quick by human standards, he doesn't have even low-level superspeed, let alone the kind WW has...

Classic Apoc was able to tag classic Quicksilver, IIRC, and Pietro could travel at the speed of sound in those days. He doesn't have Diana's combat or travel speed, but saying that he doesn't have low-level SS is overstating it, IMO.

^ we don't see him move though(Poccy). So Faster than the eye can see.
and he easily reacted to Quicksilver(who arguably has faster COMBAT speed than Diana)

Originally posted by Harbinger
Classic Apoc was able to tag classic Quicksilver, IIRC, and Pietro could travel at the speed of sound in those days. He doesn't have Diana's combat or travel speed, but saying that he doesn't have low-level SS is overstating it, IMO.
Deathstroke tagged the Flash. Doesn't mean he has super-speed, it just means he's lucky and has great reflexes

Originally posted by TheTyrant
^ we don't see him move though(Poccy). So Faster than the eye can see.
and he easily reacted to Quicksilver(who arguably has faster COMBAT speed than Diana)
Diana (while blindfolded) was able to tag the Flash and block his attacks, she's much faster than Pietro in terms of both combat and travel speed.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Deathstroke tagged the Flash. when the hell did this happen g_serious

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Diana (while blindfolded) was able to tag the Flash and block his attacks, she's much faster than Pietro in terms of both combat and travel speed.

There is no way Diana can take MM, Batman, Plastic Man, Flash at the same time with a blindfold, so we can clearly see that none of them were trying/doing their best.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Deathstroke tagged the Flash. Doesn't mean he has super-speed, it just means he's lucky and has great reflexes

That was PIS to the highest degree. Again I doubt Flash was even going FTL then.

What?

Originally posted by Harbinger
Classic Apoc was able to tag classic Quicksilver, IIRC, and Pietro could travel at the speed of sound in those days. He doesn't have Diana's combat or travel speed, but saying that he doesn't have low-level SS is overstating it, IMO.

I didn't say that Apoc didn't; I said Beast doesn't. Check the sentence again -- only one pronoun substitution, and only one proper noun in the sentence in question.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
There is no way Diana can take MM, Batman, Plastic Man, Flash at the same time with a blindfold, so we can clearly see that none of them were trying/doing their best.
Except there is. Diana is just that good. Of course they aren't trying to kill her but they'd be stupid to go easy on an Amazon.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
There is no way Diana can take MM, Batman, Plastic Man, Flash at the same time with a blindfold, so we can clearly see that none of them were trying/doing their best.

Actually, they were: that was the purpose of the challenge. Now, were they going all-out, balls-to-the-wall, save-the-world, blood-lust-on? Of course not. But they weren't playing, either.

Maybe your understanding of WW's character is a bit more limited than you realize...

So does Diana have FTL COMBAT speed? and by that I mean in a fight, not just running behind someone and grabbing them or whatever.

and can WW resist telekenisis?

Would you guys consider Ikaris above or below WW in terms of overall power?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So does Diana have FTL COMBAT speed? and by that I mean in a fight, not just running behind someone and grabbing them or whatever.

and can WW resist telekenisis?

Someone had already posted some scans over in the Respect Forum with Diana blocking FTL attacks (multiple), and she has demonstrated being able to at least move/fight at sublight speeds (if not quite moving at FTL), which is close enough in a general Forum Fight. And as far as telekinisis, she is physically almost as strong as Superman, and has powerful flight ability (making resisting external forces not at all implausable). I don't think she would take Apoc in a stomp, by any means, but I think you really aren't understanding how powerful WW is in combat, especially as she's been written over the past 15 years or so. Now, Apoc would *own* her, totally, in the versatility department, but his versatility is the auto-win in this situation as you might like to think it is...

EDIT: Oh, and Tyrant -- I'm being serious about the links for scans you posted further up -- I think you accidentally linked to the wrong scans, 'cus the ones you link to don't show anything about what you're talking about...

Originally posted by galactusischere
Would you guys consider Ikaris above or below WW in terms of overall power?

See, that's too narrow a definition to make: Ikaris has a *broader* range of powers/abilities than WW does, and his long-term stamina/healing ability is much greater than hers, but her physical speed and skill are much greater (and un-amped, he doesn't have near her strength). Her bracers and lasso allow her to finesse some moves that would give her some edge in a battle with either Ikaris or Apoc (being able to rapid block super-fast attacks, or even wider area ones via her Aegis effect, and the lasso can bind any living/sentient thing, making teleportation/shape-shifting out of it extremely difficult, and generally impossible for most beings; ironically, a simple robot or animated golem would thwart the lasso more readily than either Ikaris or Apoc).

Originally posted by tideoftime
Actually, they were: that was the purpose of the challenge. Now, were they going all-out, balls-to-the-wall, save-the-world, blood-lust-on? Of course not. But they weren't playing, either.

Maybe your understanding of WW's character is a bit more limited than you realize...

I'm not too sure about that. MMH did not phase, shapeshift in creative ways or use TP, was she already immune back then? Flash did not IMP, phase or vibrate and was probably not going anywhere near lightspeed there. PM tried to eat her? He did not make his way into her innards or go for the microscopic penetration of her cells and tissues to wreck her. Did Black Canary even scream? SM shot her with a gun and batman tried to kick her in the back of the head... It's still a very impressive feat for her but it's really not all that.

Regarding the fight apocalypse has some good chances, he's main difficulty will be handling hre speed. I think that intangibility and force fields would be better for him than teleportation as he lacks the reaction times to use it effectively against her. He also has area attacks and can BFR her.

If she immediatilly blitzes and uses the lasso he is pretty much screwed though.

Originally posted by tideoftime
Someone had already posted some scans over in the Respect Forum with Diana blocking FTL attacks (multiple), and she has demonstrated being able to at least move/fight at sublight speeds (if not quite moving at FTL), which is close enough in a general Forum Fight. And as far as telekinisis, she is physically almost as strong as Superman, and has powerful flight ability (making resisting external forces not at all implausable). I don't think she would take Apoc in a stomp, by any means, but I think you really aren't understanding how powerful WW is in combat, especially as she's been written over the past 15 years or so. Now, Apoc would *own* her, totally, in the versatility department, but his versatility is the auto-win in this situation as you might like to think it is...

EDIT: Oh, and Tyrant -- I'm being serious about the links for scans you posted further up -- I think you accidentally linked to the wrong scans, 'cus the ones you link to don't show anything about what you're talking about...

Those scans WERE the ones he wanted -- if you read them very, very carefully, and use their sub-text in comparison with certain references about the speed of the various x-men in other comics, it can be inferred that Apocalypse has FTL speed feats.

No, I'm kidding. But sometimes Apoc fans really do remind me of Talmudic scholars, trying to make all kinds of crazy arguments from little scraps of dialogue.

This is right before her latest immunity upgrade, but she had the lasso so telepathy would be unlikely to work anyway (Diana was always one of the more resistant).

IMP requires a huge run-up, I'm not sure if he could do it inside the watchtower, and it isn't a common move by him even in serious fights. He was definitely moving somewhere above mach speed, as they commented her ears were useless and she needed to anticipate rather than hear like she did with the others, but it's hard to tell how fast he was going.

She's hit Flash while he's going at high combat speeds on other occasions (like when he was infected with the Starro conqueror strain).

Originally posted by Simbon
Those scans WERE the ones he wanted -- if you read them very, very carefully, and use their sub-text in comparison with certain references about the speed of the various x-men in other comics, it can be inferred that Apocalypse has FTL speed feats.

No, I'm kidding. But sometimes Apoc fans really do remind me of Talmudic scholars, trying to make all kinds of crazy arguments from little scraps of dialogue.

I think he meant faster than light combat teleportation, meaning he can move between points faster than light could, not that he has ftl reflexes

Originally posted by Konton
But she's so much faster than him teleportation isn't a big deal. Just like it wouldn't be a big deal if Nightcrawler was fighting her.

Queen of Fables is skyfather level and Genocide is made from the soil of a dead Wonder Woman so it's sketchy. It also helps that Genocide is way stronger than Diana AND Superman. And since you brought up Genocide, take into account Diana ended up pwning her with speed and skill even though she had superior strength and teleportation.


The size of a building! Hard as Adamantium! Teleportation! Can read Minds! Tiara won't do Squat at that size. + It will just heal over instantly!
If she throws the tiara she loses it!. If she hits him he hands enter goo and it solidifies. Countles options for nonPIS CIS Apocalypse...I say Apoc wins!

Hah, he is not hard as adamantium And her lasso can be as big as needed, can hurt his *soul*, she's still faster, and at giant size he'll be easier to out maneuver.



Then she rips it out with a chunk of him. Seems good to me.

I know I was just mocking Apoc fans and their assessments of his powers a little while ago, but now that I think about it I am little uncomfortable with the assumption we are making that Diana's speed automatically wins this. Isn't this combo to KO principle getting too much credit here? If characters possess an indeterminate level of superspeed, should we automatically make assumptions about their limitations in a forum-fight? I mean, if character X has on multiple occasions shown himself able to overcome opponents with superspeed, is the onus on him to prove that he can go AS FAST as character Y, or on character Y to show that attacks as fast as theirs have overcome character X in the past? I think it must be the latter. If not, then there is no reason to believe that Diana won't also be putting the beat-down on Thanos, Odin, or even Galactus. From this standpoint, I don't think we can assume that Diana will just speed-blitz him, which will make the battle very hard for her to win except via lasso (though I don't know where people are coming up with this adamantium sky-scraper crap -- too much X-men:TAS methinks). Either way, the fight would take an INCREDIBLY long time before it was over; probably so long that even the writers would get exhausted from filling in Apoc's zeppelin-sized speech bubbles.

I don't think her speed automatically wins it, but it's a nice advantage, offensively and defensively, especially with her bracers.

Since we're currently talking CIS and PIS off, she's going to be zapping him with lightning of Zeus, attacking with the tiara (even if he's huge, there's still stuff like going for the eyes), and so on.

Apoc gains a lot from CIS/PIS off, but so does Diana.



There is the difference that her attacks can definitely hurt Apoc, while hurting Odin and Galactus is harder, and those three have options/levels of power that Apoc doesn't. Odin or Galactus could do an omnidirectional blast strong enough to take her out.

Originally posted by Q99
I don't think her speed automatically wins it, but it's a nice advantage, offensively and defensively, especially with her bracers.

Since we're currently talking CIS and PIS off, she's going to be zapping him with lightning of Zeus, attacking with the tiara (even if he's huge, there's still stuff like going for the eyes), and so on.

Apoc gains a lot from CIS/PIS off, but so does Diana.



There is the difference that her attacks can definitely hurt Apoc, while hurting Odin and Galactus is harder, and those three have options/levels of power that Apoc doesn't. Odin or Galactus could do an omnidirectional blast strong enough to take her out.

What you say is true, and the lightning is probably her best bet, but I think you may be underestimating how difficult it will be to beat Apoc in a physical fight without overwhelmingly superior speed (I mean fast enough that Apoc can't respond). He has been shown putting the smack-down on a LOT of heavy-hitters, without ever being seriously injured by punches and such from other characters. His morphing and healing factor will be difficult, if not impossible for Diana to overcome, and while his energy attacks won't do anything to her (bracers), it's not clear how much damage the lightning will do given his energy-manipulation/absorption powers. Still, most of his losses seem to be at the hands of piercing damage or energy manipulators, so who knows. God knows Marvel could have made things easier on us by giving Apocalypse a power-set that was actually consistent with his appearances, so that we would have better grounds to discuss his capabilities.

Originally posted by Q99
Hah, he is not hard as adamantium

He can though! He is just a badly written character! Or intentionally weakened so that characters can actually beat him. No PIS/CIS Apocalypse can channel the very area around him and TK Flying characters or trap them with him in Semi teleportational loops. Thanos was deeply impressed by him. She's not punching a being bigger than Galactus and hard as Adamantium while the air around her becomes TK solidified!
beating Prime Eternal Ikarus
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph3.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph4.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph5.png

Example of TK holding flying types
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

And whats the lasso gonna do with him at that size and strength he'll just drag her around saying "I AM APOCALYPSE!"

Originally posted by the ninjak
And whats the lasso gonna do with him at that size and strength he'll just drag her around saying "I AM APOCALYPSE!"

I think the magical properties make him submit no matter what. But he can keep the lasso away from him with force fields.