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Iron Man has a Motherbox like in JLA/Avengers. Who wins?

Iron man, he can just teleport her to a different location somewhere fare out is space, and if his dictators are strong enough to pick out flash its will pick up WW.

Wonder Woman. The MB lets him teleport, and enhances his timing and such, but he's still at a big disadvantage in durability and firepower.

Diana

Diana's still physically more powerful/fast, but having the motherbox really gives IronMan major versatility advantages he normally doesn't have; I'd say a split, with WW's wins being due to speed attack/avoidance, and IM's wins from the versatile nature of what he might be able to implement.

Tie

But Ironmans got along way to go

Originally posted by tideoftime
Diana's still physically more powerful/fast, but having the motherbox really gives IronMan major versatility advantages he normally doesn't have; I'd say a split, with WW's wins being due to speed attack/avoidance, and IM's wins from the versatile nature of what he might be able to implement.

I don't think that's going to make up for a very significant power difference. She's still going to absolutely wreck him in melee, and she still has a major speed advantage (even if he can track it better than normal, he still moves at his standard rate).

When the Avengers get back together Stark is going to have access to Pym Particles and the Infinite MAnsion. With the abilty to electrify a 1 mile radias with satelites will give him the abilty to do something to her.

Originally posted by the ninjak
When the Avengers get back together Stark is going to have access to Pym Particles and the Infinite MAnsion. With the abilty to electrify a 1 mile radias with satelites will give him the abilty to do something to her.

What?


I'm not exactly sure what you just said, but I am entirely sure he didn't have that stuff in JLA/Avengers.


(If it's something about blasting her with satellites, then simple answer: Bracer block, fly up to orbit while blocking, wreck satellites)

(If it's something about blasting her with satellites, then simple answer: Bracer block, fly up to orbit while blocking, wreck satellites)

He used it in Illuminati against a super skrull with all of there abilities and it messed it up. If Wonderwoman withstood such a blast to fly up and destroy said satellite then Ironman will put in effect some of his partners technology.

When the Avengers get back together Stark is going to have access to Pym Particles and the Infinite MAnsion

Its an offshot but Ironman is a master of escaping with his life and most of the time overwhelming his oponent with an ace up his sleeve.
Recently Hank Pym was bestowed with the mantle Scientist Supreme by Eternity during that conversation Eternity stated that Tony is the Enginer and Reed The Explorer.

Ironman outsmarted Sentry Im sure he can pull something out for this once Siege is over.

But to defeat her .....no

Tony. As was shown in JLA/Avengers, not even the FLASH could get past Iron man. The MB will also repair whatever damages Tony has with his armor and even create weapons and give him advice and help in battle.

Wondy 6/10

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Tony. As was shown in JLA/Avengers, not even the FLASH could get past Iron man. The MB will also repair whatever damages Tony has with his armor and even create weapons and give him advice and help in battle.

Note, Flash did not face him head on. The Motherbox gave him the information needed to ambush Flash and take him by surprise. It was a shot from ambush, hardly a sign of how they'd do in a direct fight.

Nor did it give him improved weapons. Motherboxes rarely assist offense. Though his power source is probably moderately enhanced.


Self-repair capabilities won't help out/aren't fast enough with the kind of damage Wondy can do- once it gets into hand to hand, it's pretty much over

She can still block what he throws at her with her bracers then dismantle him in melee.

Didn't motherbox assist Supes offense, or did I make that up?

Originally posted by Q99
Note, Flash did not face him head on. The Motherbox gave him the information needed to ambush Flash and take him by surprise. It was a shot from ambush, hardly a sign of how they'd do in a direct fight.

Nor did it give him improved weapons. Motherboxes rarely assist offense. Though his power source is probably moderately enhanced.


Self-repair capabilities won't help out/aren't fast enough with the kind of damage Wondy can do- once it gets into hand to hand, it's pretty much over

She can still block what he throws at her with her bracers then dismantle him in melee.

True, but the MB letting Tony spot the Flash was pretty impressive. Some of the things the MB has done:

Heal
Time Travel
Magnetic control
Phasing Shadow cat style
Invisibility
tracking opponents from across the universe and other dimensions
Shape shifting
Advice in battle
Creation of weapons
calming attitudes
telepathy
Transmutation
Weather control

Wonder Woman

IM with a MB is almost as effect as him with a GL ring. and mind you you with a MB his armors Speed and ETC is all enhanced and can evolve his armor to what ever level he wants. i can see him being able to keep his distance from Diana will blasting her from a distance. Shit he can just teleport somewhere safe and just throw his attacks through boomtubes.

Wow, people have really high opinions of motherboxes.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
True, but the MB letting Tony spot the Flash was pretty impressive. Some of the things the MB has done:

Heal
Time Travel
Magnetic control
Phasing Shadow cat style
Invisibility
tracking opponents from across the universe and other dimensions
Shape shifting
Advice in battle
Creation of weapons
calming attitudes
telepathy
Transmutation
Weather control

Note, most of those are on it's own initiative. Each person's mother box tends to focus on different areas (Scott's helps him calculate escapes, Orion's contains his anger. Hunter/Prey Superman got weapons and some protection), and it's not like a computer where you can just access those functions except for the advice/calculating ones. They also tend to focus on one thing at a time- in JLA, a situation came up where Orion's couldn't both quell his rage and shield him from telepathy at once, for example.

With Tony, it seemed to be focusing mostly on battle calculation, and between that and upgrading his armor, it's unlikely to do any of the rest, or at least not very much.





It gave him weapons (which weren't particularly uber), a protective outfit, and served as a healbot and boomtube generator to help him track Doomsday mostly.

So yea, it boosted him, but it was a pretty small boost, especially in offense.



In short: No. Even when MBs enhance tech, they don't do it that much, they mostly enhance existing functions, and it obviously wasn't in JLA/Avengers.

While Motherboxes are incredibly versatile items items, they are also intelligent things that act on their own violation, mainly protecting their user, and it isn't going to transform the Iron Man armor into some uber-death suit.

It'll act on it's own initiative on what it'll provide for help, and we saw what it did in the crossover, which is perfectly in line with how Motherboxes normally perform.




Boomtubes are two-way, she goes through and messes him up in melee.

Originally posted by Q99
Wow, people have really high opinions of motherboxes.



Note, most of those are on it's own initiative. Each person's mother box tends to focus on different areas (Scott's helps him calculate escapes, Orion's contains his anger. Hunter/Prey Superman got weapons and some protection), and it's not like a computer where you can just access those functions except for the advice/calculating ones. They also tend to focus on one thing at a time- in JLA, a situation came up where Orion's couldn't both quell his rage and shield him from telepathy at once, for example.

With Tony, it seemed to be focusing mostly on battle calculation, and between that and upgrading his armor, it's unlikely to do any of the rest, or at least not very much.





It gave him weapons (which weren't particularly uber), a protective outfit, and served as a healbot and boomtube generator to help him track Doomsday mostly.

So yea, it boosted him, but it was a pretty small boost, especially in offense.



In short: No. Even when MBs enhance tech, they don't do it that much, they mostly enhance existing functions, and it obviously wasn't in JLA/Avengers.

While Motherboxes are incredibly versatile items items, they are also intelligent things that act on their own violation, mainly protecting their user, and it isn't going to transform the Iron Man armor into some uber-death suit.

It'll act on it's own initiative on what it'll provide for help, and we saw what it did in the crossover, which is perfectly in line with how Motherboxes normally perform.




Boomtubes are two-way, she goes through and messes him up in melee.

Not really. Orion's MB has pretty much done all of that. When I wrote the list, I was talking mostly of Orion. Scott has done most of those as well.

In JLA Another Nail, Barda's Mother Box contained Scott's soul. MB's can do anything the user wants.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not really. Orion's MB has pretty much done all of that. When I wrote the list, I was talking mostly of Orion. Scott has done most of those as well.

In JLA Another Nail, Barda's Mother Box contained Scott's soul. MB's can do anything the user wants.

Yes, but in a normal fight, how much does a motherbox do? Not nearly that much, and Orion is a very experienced motherbox user, unlike Tony who just got it.

It does all of those things, but one at a time. It's ultimately versatile (they can do just about *anything*), but not multi-tasking in doing high-end things, in which it tends to do one at a time.


An incredible item? Yes. A GL ring that'll bump the user up to top tier on it's own? No.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, but in a normal fight, how much does a motherbox do? Not nearly that much, and Orion is a very experienced motherbox user, unlike Tony who just got it.

It does all of those things, but one at a time. It's ultimately versatile (they can do just about *anything*), but not multi-tasking in doing high-end things, in which it tends to do one at a time.


An incredible item? Yes. A GL ring that'll bump the user up to top tier on it's own? No.

Yeah, ultimately a GL ring is more versatile and more powerful. There is no question about that. Like you said, the MB PROTECTS the user. Who's to say IM won't turn intangible? Upgrade his sonics to knock out WW?

Remember, Tony has successfully created armors to move at near light speeds, defeated the Hulk, hanged with Sentry, etc... I think Tony will get the hang of a MB pretty quick.

Orion has used the MB to heal, turn intangible, telepathy, and get out of the Binding Bess in one run, so the MB can do more than one thing and at times, simultaneously.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, ultimately a GL ring is more versatile and more powerful. There is no question about that. Like you said, the MB PROTECTS the user. Who's to say IM won't turn intangible? Upgrade his sonics to knock out WW?

Remember, Tony has successfully created armors to move at near light speeds, defeated the Hulk, hanged with Sentry, etc... I think Tony will get the hang of a MB pretty quick.

Orion has used the MB to heal, turn intangible, telepathy, and get out of the Binding Bess in one run, so the MB can do more than one thing and at times, simultaneously.


Oh, it might turn him intangible... to escape, buy him some time, but the odds of it doing everything needed to beat WW are going to be low (also, lasso can sometime snag intangibles).

Anything he does, it'll have to be in mid-battle. This isn't 'Tony spends a month learning the MB's capabilities and adjusting his style to fight with it in mind' after all, it's a normal armor with the MB recently added. Even with Tony being good at getting a hang of stuff on the fly, the MB can pull a rabbit or two out of it's hat, but most likely that'll just make it not so one-sided a fight. He's got a lot in front of him that's not going to give much time to think.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh, it might turn him intangible... to escape, buy him some time, but the odds of it doing everything needed to beat WW are going to be low (also, lasso can sometime snag intangibles).

Anything he does, it'll have to be in mid-battle. This isn't 'Tony spends a month learning the MB's capabilities and adjusting his style to fight with it in mind' after all, it's a normal armor with the MB recently added. Even with Tony being good at getting a hang of stuff on the fly, the MB can pull a rabbit or two out of it's hat, but most likely that'll just make it not so one-sided a fight. He's got a lot in front of him that's not going to give much time to think.

WW is hard to take down, but she CAN be taken down. A Silver Banshee just took her down. I think IM can do something similar with his sonics. Afterall, the MB can upgrade his equipment. To what extent? That all depends on the writer. Some writers portray the MB as uber and some don't.

Wondy lassos Motherbox and bonks I.M. on the head with a bracer

Originally posted by Prep-Man
WW is hard to take down, but she CAN be taken down. A Silver Banshee just took her down. I think IM can do something similar with his sonics. Afterall, the MB can upgrade his equipment. To what extent? That all depends on the writer. Some writers portray the MB as uber and some don't.

Note that Jeannette's attacked worked by making Diana experience her own execution- it's not exactly an indication of how pure sonics do, it was a mystic death attack that happened to be carried by sound. Tony's sonics can't do anything like that no matter how they're upgraded (and there's still matters line speed and all. A MB may upgrade him in one or two areas to be on the right level, but it won't upgrade him in every area).


And we already saw to the extent of this Tony+MB, in JLA/Avengers. This is an existing character build we're talking about.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
WW is hard to take down, but she CAN be taken down. A Silver Banshee just took her down. I think IM can do something similar with his sonics. Afterall, the MB can upgrade his equipment. To what extent? That all depends on the writer. Some writers portray the MB as uber and some don't.

In fairness, it wasn't the sonic aspect of the wail that knocked out Diana. I remember Gail Simone addressing some very ticked off Wondy fans about that scene.

Anyway, Wondy wins but with the MB Tony could come up with some things I think.