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The health care bill can finally rest in hell with Ted Kennedy.

What a great night.

and so once again instead of something actually getting done for better or for worse... its back to the constant arguing and bureaucracy. why is this a great night again?

Voting was actually done.

Arguing and burecracy are politics.

A great night because people voted. In other places in the world voting isn't allowed.

Really, was that so hard?!

*facepalm*

Originally posted by Ordo
*facepalm*

Priceless...

V_V

This is what happens when you have no real choices.

Now we get to see what nasty tricks the Dems will do to stop Brown from voting on the health care bill.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Voting was actually done.

The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Arguing and burecracy are politics.

Bad and inefficient politics.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
A great night because people voted. In other places in the world voting isn't allowed.

Democracy (or the American imitation) is not sacred. Voting is not intrinsically good.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Voting is not intrinsically good.

HERETIC!

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.



Bad and inefficient politics.



Democracy (or the American imitation) is not sacred. Voting is not intrinsically good.

You ungrateful piece of shit. You can say all these things cause good men have laid down their life for you to say it!!! For freedom!!! For democracy!!! Show some respect.

I know, I'm an evil and terrible, atheist, socialist bastard that needs to be put down like a rabid dog.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.



Bad and inefficient politics.



Democracy (or the American imitation) is not sacred. Voting is not intrinsically good.

The Hell are you smokin?

Voting is the voice of the public. You don't like who won?! tought shit...that's politics...

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
The Hell are you smokin?

Voting is the voice of the public. You don't like who won?! tought shit...that's politics...

Voting is a easy mechanism to let the majority oppress the minority. In many ways it has its merits, of course, but it is not generally, beyond a doubt good.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
The Hell are you smokin?

Voting is the voice of the public. You don't like who won?! tought shit...that's politics...

Politicians do not win because they are more qualified or better for the job. They win based on how well they can sway the opinions of the ignorant masses. The better you are at spewing bullshit and fallacies, the better your chances at getting the majority to vote for you.

Voting is the voice of ignorance, not reasoned and informed opinion. There is nothing sacred about the "public" considering how easy it is misinform the public.

I myself don't even have an opinion on healthcare so much as I despise the system I am forced to live under.

Oh and... by the way:

c4aQCiRjvZY

Originally posted by Autokrat
Politicians do not win because they are more qualified or better for the job. They win based on how well they can sway the opinions of the ignorant masses. The better you are at spewing bullshit and fallacies, the better your chances at getting the majority to vote for you.

Voting is the voice of ignorance, not reasoned and informed opinion. There is nothing sacred about the "public."

Oh and... by the way:

c4aQCiRjvZY

Anarchy is for idiots.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Politicians do not win because they are more qualified or better for the job. They win based on how well they can sway the opinions of the ignorant masses. The better you are at spewing bullshit and fallacies, the better your chances at getting the majority to vote for you.

Voting is the voice of ignorance, not reasoned and informed opinion. There is nothing sacred about the "public."

Oh and... by the way:


I agree with you 100%.

http://www.biojobblog.com/uploads/image/barack_obama.jpg

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Anarchy is for idiots.

How so?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree with you 100%.

http://www.biojobblog.com/uploads/image/barack_obama.jpg

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Anarchy is for idiots.

This is some funny logic.

Explain to me how my dislike of the American political system implies that I support anarchy.

Originally posted by Autokrat
This is some funny logic.

Explain to me how my dislike of the American political system implies that I support anarchy.

Well, I dunno if you're an anarchist (or closed closet anarchist) but you're more than welcome not to like our system. I'm sure the system you like will most likely something I won't like....but voting is important whether you agree or not.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Well, I dunno if you're an anarchist (or closed closet anarchist) but you're more than welcome not to like our system. I'm sure the system you like will most likely something I won't like....but voting is important whether you agree or not.

Voting in and of itself is not vital. Voting among an educated electorate that is aware of the issues at hand and the various variables behind them, is a good thing.

The mass voting of idiots is not a good thing. Voting's usefulness is entirely dependent upon the people voting.

Perhaps I am too cynical, but I am of the opinion the average American voter has little actual information on what they voting on and why.

And even once people vote someone in, they often do not get what they expected. Inconsistency among politicians is an unwritten code of politics.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Voting in and of itself is not vital. Voting among an educated electorate that is aware of the issues at hand and the various variables behind them, is a good thing.

No, WRONG and very silly! Voting is for EVERY CITIZEN that belongs to community. You do NOT command who should vote or not vote base on an educated electorate. That is elitism and contradicts the idea of democracy. Whether they're up to date or not; they should still have the right to vote.


Originally posted by Autokrat


The mass voting of idiots is not a good thing. Voting's usefulness is entirely dependent upon the people voting.

Why do you see them as "idiots"? is it because you don't agree with whom they're voting for? Too bad.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
No, WRONG and very silly! Voting is for EVERY CITIZEN that belongs to community. You do NOT command who should vote or not vote base on an educated electorate. That is elitism and contradicts the idea of democracy. Whether they're up to date or not; they should still have the right to vote.

he didnt say they dont have the right...

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
No, WRONG and very silly! Voting is for EVERY CITIZEN that belongs to community. You do NOT command who should vote or not vote base on an educated electorate. That is elitism and contradicts the idea of democracy. Whether they're up to date or not; they should still have the right to vote.




Why do you see them as "idiots"? is it because you don't agree with whom they're voting for? Too bad.

I can see the point he's making. I can't find the video but I remember watching the one when Obama supporters were asked if they supported what they were told were Obama's polices when in fact they were McCain's policies. Obviously taking into consideration the fact that the video was edited that way, they all agreed with those polices and voted for Obama. Meaning that they had no clue why they were voting or what for.

I don't think that's beneficial for anyone.

I do think that, on the whole, US voters tend to vote based on their basic allegiances and at least a small amount of knowledge of democrat and republican principles even if they don't know the specific polices.

It's a lot worse in the UK when a huge number of voters vote based on what their parents voted for or who they've always voted for despite not having one clue what they're voting for.

An example being that the Conservative party will never get into power in Scotland (at least not for decades) because of the Poll Tax scandal of the 1980's...Even though in 20 years most of the people who vote wouldn't even have been alive during that period and most likely being totally ignorant of it and only knowing that Scottish people hate Maggie Thatcher (who will be long in her grave in 20 years)and the Tories.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
No, WRONG and very silly! Voting is for EVERY CITIZEN that belongs to community. You do NOT command who should vote or not vote base on an educated electorate. That is elitism and contradicts the idea of democracy. Whether they're up to date or not; they should still have the right to vote.

The ignorant voter is far more harmful to the community of he votes in as opposed to when he doesn't vote. My educated vote should count for more than the opinion of someone that doesn't even know what they are talking about.

How well equipped is the average American for weeding through the political rhetoric?

How often does the average American realize when a politician is deliberately committing a fallacy?

Hardly at all, I would say. It infuriates me that the opinion of someone that does no research and simply votes because they heard something they liked, has the same weight as my vote. In fact it makes me wonder why I vote at all. In fact, its downright depressing.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Why do you see them as "idiots"? is it because you don't agree with whom they're voting for? Too bad.

You are putting words in my mouth that aren't there. If a person comes up to me and is of a different political opinion and then proceeded to defend their opinion based on facts and a well thought out argument, I would respect them and consider them to be a enlightened voter, even if a disagreed with them.

This is isn't about what I believe, its about the method in which people come to a conclusion on who they will vote for and why.

The idiots are the kind of people that say Sarah Palin appealed to the "Joe Sixpacks" and the common man. Simply put, people are stupid and the decisions of the majority effect everyone.

Whats worse is that America does a poor job of even trying to educate is voters. In high school, the only thing I learned about government was how amazing America was and how amazing and wonderful the American government is. Never in High School was I taught any skills in how to dissect a political argument and figure out what a politician was actually saying. The only reason I was skeptical was because I would educate myself outside of the garbage I learned in high school.

Hell, I'm not even demanding that the average voter have the same level of college education that I do. Maybe some kind of universal program in High School that was focused entirely on understanding rhetoric and the tricks politicians use.

Let's get ready to FILIBUSTER!

I have no problem with the fact that a republican got elected, but the fact that this will lead to preventing a bill that most senators want from going to vote is ridiculous. That's the complete opposite of democracy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Let's get ready to FILIBUSTER!

I have no problem with the fact that a republican got elected, but the fact that this will lead to preventing a bill that most senators want from going to vote is ridiculous. That's the complete opposite of democracy.

I never quite understood where the concept of Filibuster came from. It seems like an incredibly stupid concept for a lawmaking body.

I agree. The notion that even if you're in the minority, you can totally shut down all legislation you don't agree with is the worst possible thing for legislation... it just encourages obstructionist sore losers.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Anarchy is for idiots.

le sigh

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree. The notion that even if you're in the minority, you can totally shut down all legislation you don't agree with is the worst possible thing for legislation... it just encourages obstructionist sore losers.

It was almost certainly put there to appease whatever the equivalent of Libertarians was at the time. No one else would consider it a good idea.

Originally posted by inimalist
le sigh

Indeed, anarchy is a great system . . . if no one ever thinks of working together . . . and no one ever thinks of harming anyone else . . . and everyone is equal . . . and Platonic god-kings rise from the ocean to tell us what to do.

Frankly, I can't think of anything more likely to happen.

Seriously, though, while the traditional argument against anarchy are pretty dumb no intelligent person should be supporting the idea anyway as it's hysterically short sighted and ultimately is opposed only to the use of the WORD government.

Republicans have used the tactic more times than any time in history... even in civil war era it wasn't abused this badly...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Indeed, anarchy is a great system . . . if no one ever thinks of working together . . . and no one ever thinks of harming anyone else . . . and everyone is equal . . . and Platonic god-kings rise from the ocean to tell us what to do.

Frankly, I can't think of anything more likely to happen.

Seriously, though, the traditional argument against anarchy are pretty dumb. No intelligent person should be supporting the idea anyway as it's hysterically short sighted and ultimately is opposed only to the use of the WORD government.

/thread

Originally posted by inimalist
/thread

I AM TEH WINRAR!

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.

Originally posted by Autokrat
The average voter is an idiot thats been spoon fed bullcrap from the media.





Originally posted by Autokrat
Voting in and of itself is not vital. Voting among an educated electorate that is aware of the issues at hand and the various variables behind them, is a good thing.

The mass voting of idiots is not a good thing. Voting's usefulness is entirely dependent upon the people voting.

Perhaps I am too cynical, but I am of the opinion the average American voter has little actual information on what they voting on and why.

And even once people vote someone in, they often do not get what they expected. Inconsistency among politicians is an unwritten code of politics.




Edit - My place in this thread pretty much has no place with Autokrat posting.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Actually, NBC uses those plastic sporks (they feed the bulls a lot of corn) and FOX prefers chickenshit.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually, NBC uses those plastic sporks (they feed the bulls a lot of corn) and FOX prefers chickenshit.

How DARE you!


The day someone is spoon fed with a spork...

Originally posted by dadudemon


Weren't you just told a week ago not to do that?

Yes he was.

DDM, last time here, don't spam quotes like that. Do it once more and you will be banned. Official warning.

Ms. Marvel I'm sick of your stupid smilies and responses when you're trying to be a smart ass. You lack discussion skills are a waste of anyone's time, and this is just to inform you that I'm putting your nonsense garbage where it rightful belongs....IGNORE BUTTON.

Originally posted by jaden101
I can see the point he's making. I can't find the video but I remember watching the one when Obama supporters were asked if they supported what they were told were Obama's polices when in fact they were McCain's policies. Obviously taking into consideration the fact that the video was edited that way, they all agreed with those polices and voted for Obama. Meaning that they had no clue why they were voting or what for.

I don't think that's beneficial for anyone.

I do think that, on the whole, US voters tend to vote based on their basic allegiances and at least a small amount of knowledge of democrat and republican principles even if they don't know the specific polices.

It's a lot worse in the UK when a huge number of voters vote based on what their parents voted for or who they've always voted for despite not having one clue what they're voting for.

An example being that the Conservative party will never get into power in Scotland (at least not for decades) because of the Poll Tax scandal of the 1980's...Even though in 20 years most of the people who vote wouldn't even have been alive during that period and most likely being totally ignorant of it and only knowing that Scottish people hate Maggie Thatcher (who will be long in her grave in 20 years)and the Tories.

I know what video you're describing Jaden. It was from the Howard Stern show where they interview people from Harlem and switch around the policies to get a reaction. I remember briefly the audio but the video is still out there.

It may not be beneficial for the opposing political party...but that's just how it is...you go out there campaign and inform people...that's how you get people to vote for candidate.

While is true that US voters tend to vote based on their basic allegiances the geography also plays a role, as well as communities, groups, etc...but as we've seen lately with New Jersey and Mass. the voters (i.e. the people) can switch over when things aren't going as promise.

Now, I cannot comment much on UK politics for my knowledge is insufficent...but I will comment that from what I seen of Brown isn't very compelling for the average joe in the streets. I still would like to see more of that Daniel Hannan fella from MEP.

so now i too am a member of the "people who make WD butthurt" club along with alpha centauri

can someone point out where i was trying to be a smartass though? apparently my posts are too crafty even for me to detect their snarky undertones V_V

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
so now i too am a member of the "people who make WD butthurt" club along with alpha centauri

can someone point out where i was trying to be a smartass though? apparently my posts are too crafty even for me to detect their snarky undertones V_V

I like your posts. I happen to be on WD's ignore list too though, so I guess that makes sense.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Weren't you just told a week ago not to do that?

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes he was.

DDM, last time here, don't spam quotes like that. Do it once more and you will be banned. Official warning.

RU serious (obviously, both of you are)? I don't remember that. Please point me there.

Originally posted by dadudemon
RU serious (obviously, both of you are)? I don't remember that. Please point me there.

I can't find it, I wouldn't lay my hand in the fire for it either, I just recalled you doing that a while ago, but I don't remember if you were warned for it, I am thinking I might mix that incident up with one in the Game forum. Didn't mean to get you in any trouble either.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12437148&highlight=userid%3A521#post12437148

Originally posted by BackFire
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12437148&highlight=userid%3A521#post12437148

Ah, good, I am not going senile in my old age.

Originally posted by BackFire
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12437148&highlight=userid%3A521#post12437148

Well, shit. You DID say something about it. I didn't see that warning/post.

Obviously, I didn't do that specifically piss you off or disrespect you, Backfire. I apologize.


Originally posted by Bardock42
I can't find it, I wouldn't lay my hand in the fire for it either, I just recalled you doing that a while ago, but I don't remember if you were warned for it, I am thinking I might mix that incident up with one in the Game forum. Didn't mean to get you in any trouble either.

What's this? Did I get in trouble in the game forum, as well?

No worries, just don't do it anymore.

Originally posted by dadudemon


What's this? Did I get in trouble in the game forum, as well?

Nah, One Free Man stretched the page by posting a lot of ">" and Peach warned him for that. The situation is somewhat similar so I thought I might have been confused.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite



Now, I cannot comment much on UK politics for my knowledge is insufficent...but I will comment that from what I seen of Brown isn't very compelling for the average joe in the streets. I still would like to see more of that Daniel Hannan fella from MEP.

Daniel Hannan is an odd fellow. Even we don't see much of him in the UK because he's a member of the European parliment. His fame came from his legendary attack on Gordon Brown when he spoke at the EU.

Hannan has some really dodgy opinions though. He criticised the tribunal that was set up to prosecute war criminals from the former Yugoslavia such as Sloboban Milosevic

Originally posted by KidRock
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1

The health care bill can finally rest in hell with Ted Kennedy.

What a great night.


wow....i am not for the health care bill (given our countries current situation) but celebrating its demise is a bit too much perhaps?

Originally posted by Autokrat
Politicians do not win because they are more qualified or better for the job. They win based on how well they can sway the opinions of the ignorant masses. The better you are at spewing bullshit and fallacies, the better your chances at getting the majority to vote for you.

Voting is the voice of ignorance, not reasoned and informed opinion. There is nothing sacred about the "public" considering how easy it is misinform the public.

I myself don't even have an opinion on healthcare so much as I despise the system I am forced to live under.

Oh and... by the way:

c4aQCiRjvZY

unfortunately, this kind of thinking only ensures our current system

Originally posted by WickedDynamite





Why do you see them as "idiots"? is it because you don't agree with whom they're voting for? Too bad.

we could bring up numerous articles that support his claim...

Originally posted by ATX/UT ND Money
wow....i am not for the health care bill (given our countries current situation) but celebrating its demise is a bit too much perhaps?

Not at all, it's a great victory for America.