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Fight to the death.

CN rapes.

No tables around. Does that change anything?

She'll make him think he's in a table factory.

Oh damn.

Originally posted by galactusischere
No tables around. Does that change anything?

LOL.

How resistant is Apocalypse to telepathy? There must have been a reason for Apocalypse using the Shadow King in AOA.

Originally posted by Mindset
CN rapes.

Apoc has telepathy superior to that of Xavier's. Or on the same level at the very least.

What gives you that impression?

If that were so, then Mr. Sinister would be a more powerful telepathy than Xavier.

Not true.

He has owned Xavier on a few occasions, telepathically.

When and where?

In The Twelve? That was an energy blast that was not psionic/telepathic/psychic in nature.

The scans are in Apoc's respect thread. They were old though.

Originally posted by Mindset
CN rapes.

They only fought in The Twelve. It was not telepathy, rather an energy blast.

I don't care CN ain't stomping my second fave character!!

Nova can just duplicate Apocalypse's DNA, make herself intangible. Nova laid waste to the Shi'ar Empire. Apoc. can't do that.

But he is THE APOCALYPSE!!!!11!!
But yea, the Shi'ar empire can surely find a table and chuck it at him.

LOL. Apocalypse is powerful, but not as powerful as you think. Cyclops killed him. Cable defeated him twice..

Magneto defeated him twice.

But he usually absorbs Cyclops' optic beams doesn't he? Well Magneto was in an alternative reality. The relation between Cable and Apoc is like Superman and Darkseid. Superman SHOULDN'T beat DS but he does. Regular Cable SHOULD'T defeat Apoc but he does. DS and APoc are jobbers, with Apoc being THE worst jobber in all of comics IMO.

Not at the time that Cyclops killed him. Cable at full power would destroy Apocalypse, even if Apocalypse were at full power.

Anyway, Magneto can rip Apoc. in half whenever he wants.

Magneto can change himself into something plastic or liquid. then what?

Magneto drinks him.

LOL.

Plastic?

I meant Apocalypse. not Magneto.

Apocalypse has TO virus, metallic armor and nano-tech based powers. Magneto controls him easily.

And he changes the metal inside of him into something liquid or plastic. He has COMPLETE control over his body molecules after all.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Anyway, Magneto can rip Apoc. in half whenever he wants.

Apocalypse stomps him and literally stomps him, if he would want it.
Magneto would be to a Apocalypse what Stryfe was. A joke.

The end of Magneto ends now?

Wut?..

As for the battle: it depends greatly o what form Cassandra is in. Poccy was shown to be resistant to TP to a great degree, so i presume it doesn't end in TP rape.
From the other hand, Cassie can analyze his DNA and add his powers to hers, winning the fight... The question is, can she hold for that much time or not?

Since i'm Poccy's fanboy i take him for majority.

Apoc has shown tp defense from someone who can rape Prof X?

She goes intangible then kills him.

Does her telepathy work on people that go intangible?

I'm not sure why it would affect it.

Does it make his consciousness disappear?

I have no idead, but I know that Emma Frost couldn't affect Kitty when she went intangible. And Apoc CAN go intangible physically, but I don't know about his consciousness.

Originally posted by galactusischere
I have no idead, but I know that Emma Frost couldn't affect Kitty when she went intangible. And Apoc CAN go intangible physically, but I don't know about his consciousness. How they go intangible would have to be the same for it to even be relevant, also CN >>>>>>> Emma.

Originally posted by galactusischere
I have no idead, but I know that Emma Frost couldn't affect Kitty when she went intangible. Wut

Originally posted by galactusischere
I have no idead, but I know that Emma Frost couldn't affect Kitty when she went intangible. And Apoc CAN go intangible physically, but I don't know about his consciousness.

Emma has, so has Exodus.

Apocalypse dies.

Originally posted by Mindset
She'll make him think he's in a table factory. lol

Originally posted by galactusischere
Does her telepathy work on people that go intangible?

Telepathic attacks come in two forms
Attacking the brain
And attacking the soul.
You can't attack Kitty's brain when intangible because there is no brain there just a construct.
To attack the soul you must enter the Astral Plane and do your thing.

And Apocalypse's soul is pretty messed up.
His BRAIN is now highly evolved by alien tech mixed with his ability to completely morph his physical body.

= hard to hack into.

Originally posted by galactusischere
I don't care CN ain't stomping my second fave character!!

Galactus cant stomp Apoc either because hes your 2nd fave?

Originally posted by Mindset
CN rapes.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Telepathic attacks come in two forms
Attacking the brain
And attacking the soul.
You can't attack Kitty's brain when intangible because there is no brain there just a construct.
To attack the soul you must enter the Astral Plane and do your thing.

And Apocalypse's soul is pretty messed up.
His BRAIN is now highly evolved by alien tech mixed with his ability to completely morph his physical body.

= hard to hack into.



En Sabah Nur for the win......for obvious reasons.

I don't think that Apocalypse can resist Nova's telepathy.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
I don't think that Apocalypse can resist Nova's telepathy.

Read above post.
Apocalypse is hardly human anymore.
Although Drac was able to drink some blood once though....funny because when Mags ripped him in half in AOA i just saw machinery.

And why do I get worst argument Blanket?

En sabah Nur FTW

Apoc can turn her into famine or pestilence

It would be a big destructive fight.

Originally posted by Xplosive
It would be a big destructive fight.

For Apoc's brain.

Originally posted by Bentley
For Apoc's brain.

I am pretty sure that a non jobbing Apocalypse will give her a tough fight.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I am pretty sure that a non jobbing Apocalypse will give her a tough fight.

Nah, Nova is just in another level. She can phase and mind-rape amped Xavier and Emma like they were redheaded stepchildren and by pass Sh'iar mental dampeners. Apoc doesn't have the telepathy to hang.

Cassandra would leave him drolling on the floor.

Apoc haters...

his respect thread shows him at higher tp levels than you guys are saying...go check out the scans...

Originally posted by hulkgoalie
Apoc haters...

his respect thread shows him at higher tp levels than you guys are saying...go check out the scans... Is his tp many times stronger than Xaviers?

If not, he gets mindraped.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Read above post.
Apocalypse is hardly human anymore.
Although Drac was able to drink some blood once though....funny because when Mags ripped him in half in AOA i just saw machinery.

And why do I get worst argument Blanket?

En sabah Nur FTW

Apoc can turn her into famine or pestilence


Apocalypse's armor is metallic and he has nano-technology infused into his body, most likely due to the fact that he added Celestial Technology to himself. Apocalypse is a human mutant, just with metallic armor; he also has the TO virus.

One thing I don't know about Apoc. is what mutant powers was he born with? 90% of the powers he has are not his natural born mutant powers.

"Apoc haters...

his respect thread shows him at higher tp levels than you guys are saying...go check out the scans..."

Like what?

Originally posted by Bentley
Apoc doesn't have the telepathy

That should suffice.

Nova. There is a reason Apocalypse used Shadow King in AOA.

AoA downplated Apoc....and u know it.

Not when he had the power to take over most of the world.

Wow you would think after hundreds of years a telepath would have killed Apoc by now....considering he has mild telepathy....Wait that's right! his brain is more machine now and his soul thinks he is actually the Apocalypse. Cass wouldn't know what to manipulate. Read my earlier posts.

Cass: Turn off your Bodily functions.
Apoc: I am Apocalypse!
Cass: Man this guy is nuts.
Cassandra enters Astral Plane to attack Apoc's soul but he is more machine then man.

Just a thought

Originally posted by the ninjak
Wow you would think after hundreds of years a telepath would have killed Apoc by now....considering he has mild telepathy....Wait that's right! his brain is more machine now and his soul thinks he is actually the Apocalypse. Cass wouldn't know what to manipulate. Read my earlier posts.

Cass: Turn off your Bodily functions.
Apoc: I am Apocalypse!
Cass: Man this guy is nuts.
Cassandra enters Astral Plane to attack Apoc's soul but he is more machine then man.

Just a thought


Right, but he is still partially human mutant. He is not 100% machine.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Right, but he is still partially human mutant. He is not 100% machine.

Exactly while she is trying to use that 10% (which is fundamentalist babble ) Apocs takes her down either himself or with his tech. Just like every other TP unfortunate enough to mess with the psycho.
En Sabah Nur shed his humanity and flesh centuries ago.
And he is prepared for pesky telepaths.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Exactly while she is trying to use that 10% (which is fundamentalist babble ) Apocs takes her down either himself or with his tech. Just like every other TP unfortunate enough to mess with the psycho.
En Sabah Nur shed his humanity and flesh centuries ago.
And he is prepared for pesky telepaths.


What are Apocalypse's natural mutant powers that he has been born with?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Exactly while she is trying to use that 10% (which is fundamentalist babble ) Apocs takes her down either himself or with his tech. Just like every other TP unfortunate enough to mess with the psycho.
En Sabah Nur shed his humanity and flesh centuries ago.
And he is prepared for pesky telepaths. How is he taking CN down?

What has he prepared for her telepathy?

I always thought it was shapeshifting like Mystique but people have been saying that he was a generic Hulk.
He was definitely immortal.
Online profiles don't help, he was a bit of a mystery until the alien evolutionary upgrade.

Originally posted by Mindset
How is he taking CN down?

What has he prepared for her telepathy?

He spent time in Genosha didn't he?
Besides basic TP shielding tech.
Genoshan mutant dampening devices would help putting her down.
And considering she has the balls to attack people in their own bases celestrial tech is far beyond human achievements.

And then there is Apocs biology..... its hard to hack.

She needed Trasks son to activate the super sentinel.
And releasing Danger wouldn't have been too hard considering she would have had access to Xavier's mind and software. + Emma's help.

It's a tricky fight.

Originally posted by Mindset
How is he taking CN down?

What has he prepared for her telepathy?


Telepathy does not affect machines. Also, Apoc. is not taking CN down. Neither is she taking him down.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I always thought it was shapeshifting like Mystique but people have been saying that he was a generic Hulk.
He was definitely immortal.
Online profiles don't help, he was a bit of a mystery until the alien evolutionary upgrade.

I thought his immortality came from Celestial Tech. or being telepathically immortal.

I don't know why I waste my time.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't know why I waste my time.


?????????????????????????? Then don't

LOL.

I can't see how people know that Apocalypse is mostly machine and they say that Magneto can't manipulate Apoc.

If Apoc. is machine then why weren't his circuits damaged by the Hulk?

Originally posted by pinksushi1
LOL.

I can't see how people know that Apocalypse is mostly machine and they say that Magneto can't manipulate Apoc.

If Apoc. is machine then why weren't his circuits damaged by the Hulk?

Because he is a shapeshifter on an incredible level. I believe the machinery is also malleable and part of him. He can become the size of a building or change into a human woman.
But those stats were from different media.

Originally posted by the ninjak
?????????????????????????? Then don't Someone has to try to reason with you cretins.

Originally posted by Mindset
Someone has to try to reason with you cretins.

Did you read my original response to your question.
It seems sound

Originally posted by the ninjak
Because he is a shapeshifter on an incredible level. I believe the machinery is also malleable and part of him. He can become the size of a building or change into a human woman.
But those stats were from different media.

That does not make him invulnerable to Magneto.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Did you read my original response to your question.
It seems sound ???????????????????? No

Originally posted by Mindset
???????????????????? No


Makes sense.

??????????????? Does it

If Apoc. is such a powerful telepath, then why did he use Shadow King in AOA? What are his telepathic feats? Not much.

Originally posted by Mindset
??????????????? Does it


Sure why not???????????????????????

Apocalypse is not "mostly a machine", where has that been stated? Any scans for proof? Heck, if any one ever used ANY kind of telepathy with Apoc you would be downright wrong.

Poccy might be getting that upgrade from Stryfe.

Originally posted by Bentley
Apocalypse is not "mostly a machine", where has that been stated? Any scans for proof? Heck, if any one ever used ANY kind of telepathy with Apoc you would be downright wrong.


he merged with Celestial Technology, has the TO virus, has metallic armor suit and has nano-technology enhanced suit powers.

Cassandra always needed human puppets to achieve control over sentient or Artificial Intelligent machines.
Apocalypse has no subordinates that she can manipulate.
He works alone, besides his Horsemen.
And they aren't in this fight so .......
Apoc is still fighting strong!

AoA downplayed Apoc...

Originally posted by galactusischere
AoA downplayed Apoc...

I see it simply as a world where Apoc met not much resistance and easily achieved his goals. So he didn't evolve as much as 616.
Whereas many of the present Xmen of that world were much more evolved due to the hardships that reality forced on them.

The Apocalypse!!

Where has it been shown that Apoc's tech makes him immune to TP?

Cassandra's also overpowered Shi'Ar anti-telepathy technology with ease... if there's any element of Apoc's brain that is sentient (as is clearly the case), then she can mindrape it.

Apocalypse, on the other hand, can't do anything to her.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Where has it been shown that Apoc's tech makes him immune to TP?

Cassandra's also overpowered Shi'Ar anti-telepathy technology with ease... if there's any element of Apoc's brain that is sentient (as is clearly the case), then she can mindrape it.

Apocalypse, on the other hand, can't do anything to her.

He has technopathy + psionic abilities + celestrial tech is pretty good.

Originally posted by the ninjak
psionic abilities The other abilities hold no relevance.

Proof of his psionic abilities?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
The other abilities hold no relevance.

Proof of his psionic abilities?


Maybe someone else....even though stated in bios he has psionic abilities.
My argument has been why Apoc doesn't need basic TP to avoid and defeat telepaths.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Maybe someone else....even though stated in bios he has psionic abilities.
My argument has been why Apoc doesn't need basic TP to avoid and defeat telepaths.
And Technopathy is perfect when resisting a telepath who hacks machines. Did she need to TP someone to hack the Shiar Tech?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Maybe someone else....even though stated in bios he has psionic abilities.
My argument has been why Apoc doesn't need basic TP to avoid and defeat telepaths. She just used telepathy and overpowered the Shi'Ar tech that was supposed to keep her out.

You haven't actually provided proof of anything that you've said about Apocalypse. You've just hypothesized endlessly.

Someone's gotta defend the big A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1FlD-4Ztok

Celestrial tech >>>> Shi'Ar tech

Wiki says Psionics + Technopathy

Given that in a world without Xavier Apoc ruled the planet + his abilities + tech make him a perfect challenger for CN.

Originally posted by the ninjak

Wiki says Psionics + Technopathy Fail.

Show me actual proof, plz? Or just concede that you have none.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Given that in a world without Xavier Apoc ruled the planet + his abilities + tech make him a perfect challenger for CN. Where he used telepaths to help him rule...

Originally posted by Original Smurph


Where he used telepaths to help him rule...

And they were terrified of him!

Originally posted by Original Smurph
The other abilities hold no relevance.

Proof of his psionic abilities?


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

APOCALYPSE!!!!!

Originally posted by the ninjak
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

APOCALYPSE!!!!! Link doesn't work.

Youtube and wiki ftw.none

Thank God!!!!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG


Psionic defense againts Jean and psionic attack on Charles.
It was late last night

Originally posted by Original Smurph
The other abilities hold no relevance.

Proof of his psionic abilities?

Apocalypse can absorb lifeforce energy.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apocalypse can absorb lifeforce energy. Through touch? Could it affect a phased enemy before she mindrapes the shit out of him, keeping in mind that she made a vegetable out of Xavier (w/ Cerebra) in a few panels?

Not exactly through "touch", but drawing them in. He sucked in Cyclops' lifeforce via his Optic Blasts, granted, but Optic Blasts are not life energy, and Apoc forcibly extracted his essence, not just his beams. I suppose it's open to interpretation. Also, with the mind-raping, not only does Apocalypse have defenses via his own telepathic powers, but he has a means of creating technological defenses as well to supplement/upgrade said defenses. It's not as simple as "Cassandra's a better telepath, she wins".

No prep though.

He doesn't need prep. You can adapt on the fly you know.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It's not as simple as "Cassandra's a better telepath, she wins". No, of course not. Cassandra does have instances of easily bypassing extremely advanced technological mind defenses though, even multiple at once. Given that, in addition to her expertise and ridiculous power output in one-on-one mental warfare, she would appear to have the better feats for this situation.

Unless Apoc has great mental defense showings that I'm not aware of...

Pretty much your standard repelling the present X-Psi feats. He's not typically attacked psionically, but on the rare occarions he has been it had either little effect and was overwhelmed, or was repelled outright, and that's without any real effort.

Such devices are always inside Apocalypse. TP defences + technopathy + psionics + total control over his body +

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG

+ Celestrial Tech >>>>>> Shi'Ar tech = WIN FOR APOCALYPSE.

He can just create them, really.

Originally posted by illadelph12
He doesn't need prep. You can adapt on the fly you know. He's going have time to adapt tp defense while fighting off tp from CN?

Originally posted by Mindset
He's going have time to adapt tp defense while fighting off tp from CN?

Yes defences are always up.

Such devices are always inside Apocalypse. TP defences + technopathy + psionics + total control over his body +

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG

+ Celestrial Tech >>>>>> Shi'Ar tech = WIN FOR APOCALYPSE.


Apocalypse turns her into Pestilence

Will you stop posting the same ****ing scans over and over.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Pretty much your standard repelling the present X-Psi feats. He's not typically attacked psionically, but on the rare occarions he has been it had either little effect and was overwhelmed, or was repelled outright, and that's without any real effort. If they've had any effect, that's still an avenue of attack for Nova, considering that pretty damn near all of the X-Psi's pale in comparison to her.

SO now we have proved Apoc is telepathic and can withstand attacks with his sheer will.
But Cassandra is stronger than all the characters who have previously attempted.
Until CN hacks into celestrial tech we will never know.
Apoc is the perfect guy to take her down.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png


http://www.angelfire.com/comics/apocalypse/apoc.wav

Originally posted by Mindset
He's going have time to adapt tp defense while fighting off tp from CN?

Yeah. Multitasking. The adaptation is part of the defense process.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
If they've had any effect, that's still an avenue of attack for Nova, considering that pretty damn near all of the X-Psi's pale in comparison to her.

It's an avenue of attack, granted, but I don't think it would take Apocalypse down. Fortitude is one of his strengths and he could likely overcome the assault via adaptation.

Part of Apocalypse's telepathic resistance is the fact that he is mostly machine and nano-tech.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Yeah. Multitasking. The adaptation is part of the defense process.

So he can divide his attention while battling someone who mindraped Prof X with Cerebra?

Sure you're not giving him too much credit?

Originally posted by Mindset
So he can divide his attention while battling someone who mindraped Prof X with Cerebra?

Sure you're not giving him too much credit?

Apocalypse mind blasted Xavier with ease.
And repelled Jean through will alone.

Ok?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Apocalypse mind blasted Xavier with ease.
And repelled Jean through will alone.


That was not a telepathy blast. An energy blast it was. Jean later telepathically removed Apocalypse from Cyclop's body.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
That was not a telepathy blast. An energy blast it was. Jean later telepathically removed Apocalypse from Cyclop's body.

True
Apoc can snap his fingers and create energy blasts in people's heads.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe41.png

And I'm sure Jean and Scott's link would've helped

Sarcastic?

Link does not work.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Sarcastic?

Link does not work.

It works just takes me time to edit I'm a newb.

Originally posted by Mindset
So he can divide his attention while battling someone who mindraped Prof X with Cerebra?

Sure you're not giving him too much credit?

Very sure. Some of his adaptations are passive and don't require his conscious effort (see the Chernobyl example). Also, even though he'd be assaulted doesn't mean he can't actively increase his defenses during said assault. For a parallel, it's like when Ironman is hit with a blast that taxes his armor's shields and he re-routes power to supplement defense of the attack. While being assaulted Apoc could alter his make up to lessen the effect. He could possibly make a form of Magneto's helmet around his head, for example (see his battle with High Evolutionary for on the fly adaptations).

He has the tools, he just doesn't have the public sentiment.

Or for a parallel it could be like Exodus not being able to use other powers while fighting Emma telepathically.

That's a fairly different scenario in my opinion. All of Exodus's powers are telepathy/telekinesis based. Apocalypse also has technological and physical abilities beyond his psionic abilities, including the ability to form physical defenses for psionics and not rely soley on his telepathic fortitude.

How does the fact that his powers are telepathy/telekinesis base make a difference?

He had to focus on telepathy and not use tk so he wouldn't get mindraped.

Because Exodus has no other means of defense against psionics save his own psionic abilities, whereas Apocalypse also has technological and physical countermeasures to employ.

Apocolypse could physically lessen the assault via creation of physical shielding around his brain. That option is not available to Exodus.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Because Exodus has no other means of defense against psionics save his own psionic abilities, whereas Apocalypse also has technological and physical countermeasures to employ.

Apocolypse could physically lessen the assault via creation of physical shielding around his brain. That option is not available to Exodus.

Cool... and considering Genoshans were able to create Mutant Power Dampeners and Shield have access to TP defence devices.
Celestrial TP defence tech must be pretty good.
Apoc's celestrial tech + technopathy + total control over bodily particles... just kick in after someone tries to hack his hardrive.
And Apocalypse is more nuts than CN.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Because Exodus has no other means of defense against psionics save his own psionic abilities, whereas Apocalypse also has technological and physical countermeasures to employ.

Apocolypse could physically lessen the assault via creation of physical shielding around his brain. That option is not available to Exodus.

Even without the TP. How long do you think the fight will last? Nova's TK could hold out long enough for her to add Apocalypses powerset to her own by copying his DNA. That might even give her control over his Celestial Tech.

Apoc. can phase and teleport, making it hard for telepathy to work. How does Apoc. defeat Nova again?

Besides, Apoc. can warp reality to harmful effects on Nova and transmute her.