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Storm and very easily.

How by electrocution, suffocation, or freezing? Would rusting be a possibility?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How by electrocution, suffocation, or freezing? Would rusting be a possibility? FHOw about ifting Colossus up 100' into the air and dropping him. Spinning him around i cyclone until he passes out, repeated lighting blast. blast the ground underneath him an bury him alive.

Colossus has no chance of winning against storm unles sshe makes it a H2H brawl

Originally posted by DarkOdin
FHOw about ifting Colossus up 100' into the air and dropping him. Spinning him around i cyclone until he passes out, repeated lighting blast. blast the ground underneath him an bury him alive.

Colossus has no chance of winning against storm unles sshe makes it a H2H brawl

First strategy- Yes because slamming the man made of organic steel on the ground from a high altitude harms him.

Second strategy- Yes because the man of organic steel whom also doesn't need to eat, breathe, drink, or sleep can pass out from spinning around.

Third strategy- Yes because the man of organic steel gets owned by lightning and electricity.

Final strategy- Yes because the man of organic steel can't unearth himself from the ground due to his strength and the fact that there's a no BFR rule here.

Do you know anything about Colossus?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
First strategy- Yes because slamming the man made of organic steel on the ground from a high altitude harms him.



Do you know anything about Colossus? Well all i know is he is not touching storm and the first strategy whould work after enough hits unless your are saying Colossus is immune to physical harm.

Storm is in no way even getting touch by Colossus. Colossus sooner or later would fall to storm.

unless you are saying Colossus is not immune to blute force trama. So unless syou have a way Colossus actually touch storm she wins.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Well all i know is he is not touching storm and the first strategy whould work after enough hits unless your are saying Colossus is immune to physical harm.

Storm is in no way even getting touch by Colossus. Colossus sooner or later would fall to storm.

unless you are saying Colossus is not immune to blute force trama. So unless syou have a way Colossus actually touch storm she wins.

What I'm saying is that she'd have to lift him like out of orbit and then drop him from there to come close to knocking him out. Being slammed from 100 feet in the air repeatedly won't do anything to him at all not even over time. At most you'd just be making a huge crater in the ground. To give you a better example, you could have a kid punching Superman in the face for three weeks straight, Kal won't feel a thing.

How will he sooner or later fall to her when she can't hurt him? If anything Storm would fall to him sooner or later since he has more stamina than her.

I understand your logic, Storm can't lose so she wins, Colossus can't win so he loses. Did you ever think you could flip that and get the same results ala stalemate? Storm can't touch him in this scenario and at best stalemates him or she gets tired and falls unconscious from repeated attempts to harm him which shouldn't happen since she'd know herself that her weather powers have no effect on him.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What I'm saying is that she'd have to lift him like out of orbit and then drop him from there to come close to knocking him out. Being slammed from 100 feet in the air repeatedly won't do anything to him at all not even over time. At most you'd just be making a huge crater in the ground. To give you a better example, you could have a kid punching Superman in the face for three weeks straight, Kal won't feel a thing.

How will he sooner or later fall to her when she can't hurt him? If anything Storm would fall to him sooner or later since he has more stamina than her.

I understand your logic, Storm can't lose so she wins, Colossus can't win so he loses. Did you ever think you could flip that and get the same results ala stalemate? Storm can't touch him in this scenario and at best stalemates him or she gets tired and falls unconscious from repeated attempts to harm him which shouldn't happen since she'd know herself that her weather powers have no effect on him.

Not in a forum fight the character fight using the best of their abilites Storm and colossus knew each other very well. Storm can eaily whip colossus into the air a 100' ok that didn't work how about 100' feet Colossus has been hurt by cars beign throw at him etc... Colossus has never be show to take repeated lighitng hits and laugh them off. Like you make seem he wouldn't be effected by.

Storm has the tools to beat him when Colossus has nothing to bring to the table besides his durability.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Not in a forum fight the character fight using the best of their abilites Storm and colossus knew each other very well. Storm can eaily whip colossus into the air a 100' ok that didn't work how about 100' feet Colossus has been hurt by cars beign throw at him etc... Colossus has never be show to take repeated lighitng hits and laugh them off. Like you make seem he wouldn't be effected by.

Storm has the tools to beat him when Colossus has nothing to bring to the table besides his durability.

Lightning does nothing to Colossus. He has shown in the past as being a lightning rod so that Storm could bypass lightning through him for certain situations.

Originally posted by carver9
Lightning does nothing to Colossus. He has shown in the past as being a lightning rod so that Storm could bypass lightning through him for certain situations. Ok good then gravity for the win he still has no offense option here and can you post a scan of thi lighting rod thing

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Not in a forum fight the character fight using the best of their abilites Storm and colossus knew each other very well. Storm can eaily whip colossus into the air a 100' ok that didn't work how about 100' feet Colossus has been hurt by cars beign throw at him etc... Colossus has never be show to take repeated lighitng hits and laugh them off. Like you make seem he wouldn't be effected by.

Storm has the tools to beat him when Colossus has nothing to bring to the table besides his durability.

Can you prove that Current Colossus can be hurt by cars or lightning? I already said Colossus falling 100 feet from the air doesn't hurt him. IF you still believe so then let me show you this. Thank you Snoop Dogg, and Odin you should thank him too for this.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusfallinunc135.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusfallinunc135_2.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uxm95pg03.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uxm95pg04.jpg


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uca93p286hv.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uca93p291uk.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuskickingss.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuskickingss2.jpg


This negates your car statement

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossussmashingacar.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/glmkpg211qf.jpg

And the lightning/electricity argument.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossusandAcolytes.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuselectricity2.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuselectricity3.jpg

Emma body swapped with Storm and attacked him

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossusandStorm_unc152.jpg


More lightning involving Storm herself. Mind you that minutes have passed.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightninguxmann_3.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightning2uxmann_3.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuslightingrod.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/UncannyX-Men160-02.jpg

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Ok good then gravity for the win he still has no offense option here and can you post a scan of thi lighting rod thing

Storm has no offense here either.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Can you prove that Current Colossus can be hurt by cars or lightning? I already said Colossus falling 100 feet from the air doesn't hurt him. IF you still believe so then let me show you this. Thank you Snoop Dogg, and Odin you should thank him too for this.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusfallinunc135.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusfallinunc135_2.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uxm95pg03.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uxm95pg04.jpg


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uca93p286hv.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/uca93p291uk.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuskickingss.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuskickingss2.jpg


This negates your car statement

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossussmashingacar.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/glmkpg211qf.jpg

And the lightning/electricity argument.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossusandAcolytes.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuselectricity2.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuselectricity3.jpg

Emma body swapped with Storm and attacked him

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossusandStorm_unc152.jpg


More lightning involving Storm herself. Mind you that minutes have passed.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightninguxmann_3.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightning2uxmann_3.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossuslightingrod.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/UncannyX-Men160-02.jpg

Well you got me on the car. the lighting but the scan were colossus is getting otu of the creater help me thank you He clearly is not it the best of shape after the fall so Storm drops him twice from the upper atmosphere

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Well you got me on the car. the lighting but the scan were colossus is getting otu of the creater help me thank you He clearly is not it the best of shape after the fall so Storm drops him twice from the upper atmosphere

Removing someone from the planet's atmosphere would count as BFR and he was fine when he got up, there are many more instances when he fell as well. That drop wouldn't even "daunt a berserk Wolverine" If it's not stopping him, then it can't stop Colossus.

I swear I wish people would be man enough to admit when they are wrong and that their choice was wrong. You don't lose respect or anything.

Colossus throws a rock at her head.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Removing someone from the planet's atmosphere would count as BFR and he was fine when he got up, there are many more instances when he fell as well. That drop wouldn't even "daunt a berserk Wolverine" If it's not stopping him, then it can't stop Colossus.

I swear I wish people would be man enough to admit when they are wrong and that their choice was wrong. You don't lose respect or anything.

What about the time when wolverine tried to give him a parachute when they were about to jump out the plane and Colossus told him that he didnt need one and jumped face first out of the plane and hit the ground and got up immediately.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Well you got me on the car. the lighting but the scan were colossus is getting otu of the creater help me thank you He clearly is not it the best of shape after the fall so Storm drops him twice from the upper atmosphere

It was nothing wrong with Colossus in those scans and wei just owned you.

Originally posted by carver9
What about the time when wolverine tried to give him a parachute when they were about to jump out the plane and Colossus told him that he didnt need one and jumped face first out of the plane and hit the ground and got up immediately. what about the time colossus survived re-entry into earths atmosphere from space and hit the ground he was stunned i believe

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Removing someone from the planet's atmosphere would count as BFR and he was fine when he got up, there are many more instances when he fell as well. That drop wouldn't even "daunt a berserk Wolverine" If it's not stopping him, then it can't stop Colossus.

I swear I wish people would be man enough to admit when they are wrong and that their choice was wrong. You don't lose respect or anything. Logan been knock out be less and i didn't say remov him from the amosphere i said drop him from the upper atmosphere

And lets not start with the man enough bs this coming from a guy who counts Thor removing juggs connention cytrok "spelling" as PIS

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Logan been knock out be less and i didn't say remov him from the amosphere i said drop him from the upper atmosphere

And lets not start with the man enough bs this coming from a guy who counts Thor removing juggs connention cytrok "spelling" as PIS

In that issue his invulnerability was tied into his forcefield, and I believe he was labeled a mutant. One could argue why Thor didn't do it the third time they fought if it was not a part of PIS. Cain also didn't lose his connection to Cyttorak or else he would've been dead after the first punch he only lost his FF/Invulnerability but I'm not here to debate Cain or Thor and I do admit when Cain loses as I have admitted when I was proved wrong and I have changed my decisions before.

Dropping him from the upper atmosphere won't do a thing to Colossus though.

She can flashfreeze and heat him up repeatedly until his body cracks, IIRC there was a fight in which pyro and avalanche try to do it with liquid nitrogen and pyrokinesis and I think it was stated that it would work.

Storm also claimed a steel spike accelerated by a hurricane could shatter frost's diamond form.

She coul also dump him in the ocean and let him sink, would that work? Can he float? If he cant float but can swim because of his strengh, she could manipualte the currents to take him to the floor of the ocean. Even if he swims up, it would take a very long time and should count as defeat by incapacitation, although it migh be seen as bfr.

Originally posted by 753
She can flashfreeze and heat him up repeatedly until his body cracks, IIRC there was a fight in which pyro and avalanche try to do it with liquid nitrogen and pyrokinesis and I think it was stated that it would work.

Storm also claimed a steel spike accelerated by a hurricane could shatter frost's diamond form.

She coul also dump him in the ocean and let him sink, would that work? Can he float? If he cant float but can swim because of his strengh, she could manipualte the currents to take him to the floor of the ocean. Even if he swims up, it would take a very long time and should count as defeat by incapacitation, although it migh be seen as bfr.

Why does everyone hate Russia and their citizens?

He is immune to cold and heat.

What does what Storm said to Frost have to do with Colossus? Here's a little clue, Colossus is more durable than diamond form, stronger too.

There's no BFR so that wouldn't work here at all

The expansion and sudden contraction of metal will cause it to crack and deform, I'll try to find the issue. I don't think he is completely immune to extreme temperatures either just resilient to them.

Even if he is more durable than diamond, he certainly has a breaking point. Maybe storm can't put enough force behind a steel spike to do it but he is not impenetrable.

Dumping him underwater migh be seen as incapacitation not bfr depending on the circumstances. She might, for instance, drop him in the water and freeze massive amounts of it arround him, until he is trapped in a huge iceberg from which it will take a really long time to break free, if he can do it at all. They would both still be in the battlefield that way.

It's not impossible for her to defeat him even if she cant kill him.

What about the very detailed strategy guide of throwing something at Storm?

Storm tires out while throwing shit at Colossus. Colossus waits and shes dead after or continues to throw shit at her then shes dead after. She will tire while Colossus doesnt. He will win after a long boring fight.

Originally posted by Blanket
What about the very detailed strategy guide of throwing something at Storm?

Wind barrier? Maybe desintegrate it with lightning. Storm's main problem here is her stamina that can't match his, so if she can't put him down soon enough she will eventually become exhausted and have to flee or be KOed by him.

Originally posted by 753
Wind barrier? Maybe desintegrate it with lightning. Storm's main problem here is her stamina that can't match his, so if she can't put him down soon enough she will eventually become exhausted and have to flee or be KOed by him.
A wind barrier stops an object whipped at her by a class big pasty russian?

Ya, blasting a 'tiny' object moving extremely fast is well within Storm's reaction time. And if he decides to throw more than one, she'd zap that too.

Originally posted by 753
The expansion and sudden contraction of metal will cause it to crack and deform, I'll try to find the issue. I don't think he is completely immune to extreme temperatures either just resilient to them.

Even if he is more durable than diamond, he certainly has a breaking point. Maybe storm can't put enough force behind a steel spike to do it but he is not impenetrable.

Dumping him underwater migh be seen as incapacitation not bfr depending on the circumstances. She might, for instance, drop him in the water and freeze massive amounts of it arround him, until he is trapped in a huge iceberg from which it will take a really long time to break free, if he can do it at all. They would both still be in the battlefield that way.

It's not impossible for her to defeat him even if she cant kill him.

Can you show me Colossus's breaking point? Your scientific take on metal would apply if Colossus was made of human/synthetic steel but he's made of an unknown form of organic steel so you have no proof that it applies to the same laws.

In this fight against Storm Colossus is impenetrable.

The fight does not take place around water so you can stop with this theory.

Originally posted by Blanket
What about the very detailed strategy guide of throwing something at Storm?

That's a grade A tactic developed by Spetsnaz. He's doesn't need to pull out the big guns for her black ass.

Originally posted by Blanket
A wind barrier stops a rock whipped at her by a class big pasty russian?

Ya, blasting a 'tiny' rock moving extremely fast is well within Storm's reaction time. And if he decides to throw more than one, she'd zap that too. She would zap a rock.

A hurricane barrier could stop them and yes she can use use lightning to vaporize almost anything that could hit her. Lightning's temperature is about the same as that of surface of the sun and it travels at 20% the speed of light. They carry on average 500 MJ of energy, a single MJ is the energy a ton moving at 160km/h. This is just a single average lightning though, she can use as many as powerfull as she pleases. And since the average human reaction time is 0.2 seconds and the rules say they start the batlle at 500m from each other i think she can react in time to block, destroy or just dodge the big rocks thrown at her. His best hope for victory is to wait and take punishment until she gets too tired to throw him arround.

There's no punishment she could force on him.

It's hard for her to seriously hurt him, but she can manhandle him across the battlefield which is what i was refering to as punishment.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Can you show me Colossus's breaking point? Your scientific take on metal would apply if Colossus was made of human/synthetic steel but he's made of an unknown form of organic steel so you have no proof that it applies to the same laws.

In this fight against Storm Colossus is impenetrable.

The fight does not take place around water so you can stop with this theory.




It was never done but IIRC it was stated it would work, ill try to find the issue.

Fine, for all intents and purposes she cant penetrate him.

How do you know they're not fighting close to water? Their current base is an artificial island in the middle of the ocean. Even if they were fighting in a landlocked desert she could still carry him to to the sea or a large enough river on wind currents.

Originally posted by 753
It was never done but IIRC it was stated it would work, ill try to find the issue.

Fine, for all intents and purposes she cant penetrate him.

How do you know they're not fighting close to water? Their current base is an artificial island in the middle of the ocean. Even if they were fighting in a landlocked desert she could still carry him to to the sea or a large enough river on wind currents.

Two idiots thinking something will work does not equal proof.

How do I know? Well I know you read KMC's rules on the battle and whatnot so you yourself should know that there is a default battlefield when one is not given and there is no water in that default battlefield or sand.

Storm freezes him in a block of ice ftw.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Two idiots thinking something will work does not equal proof.

How do I know? Well I know you read KMC's rules on the battle and whatnot so you yourself should know that there is a default battlefield when one is not given and there is no water in that default battlefield or sand.

I did read the rules and the battlefield just doesn't have any description. So the rules don't actually exclude the possibilities of the terrain, there's no reason to assume that there are rocks for him to throw at her either. She can still carry him to water though, provided they are fighting on earth, which the rules don't specify either. And yes, that is a good idea, she can bury him under sand as well, it's just easier to find lots of water as the planet is mostly covered by it.

Originally posted by 753
I did read the rules and the battlefield just doesn't have any description. So the rules don't actually exclude the possibilities of the terrain, there's no reason to assume that there are rocks for him to throw at her either. She can still carry him to water though, provided they are fighting on earth, which the rules don't specify either. And yes, that is a good idea, she can bury him under sand as well, it's just easier to find lots of water as the planet is mostly covered by it.

Don't bother once he gets on a roll he don't stop.

how she just throws him into a whirl wind until he pass out from being too dizzy....

he won't pass out from dizziness.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Don't bother once he gets on a roll he don't stop.

how she just throws him into a whirl wind until he pass out from being too dizzy....

Are you upset because I proved all of your strategies to beating him false?

Originally posted by 753
I did read the rules and the battlefield just doesn't have any description. So the rules don't actually exclude the possibilities of the terrain, there's no reason to assume that there are rocks for him to throw at her either. She can still carry him to water though, provided they are fighting on earth, which the rules don't specify either. And yes, that is a good idea, she can bury him under sand as well, it's just easier to find lots of water as the planet is mostly covered by it.

If it helps I'll ask a Mod about the default battlefield terrain although I doubt there would be things like sand and water seeing as that would give an advantage to some and a disadvantage to others when it's supposed to be a default and neutral setting. If the battlefield doesn't have water near it then she can't use water unless it's raining or she moves an ocean or sea or something silly like that. She can't take him to a body of water if it's outside the battlefield.

Originally posted by 753


Fine, for all intents and purposes she cant penetrate him.exacly and he can penetrate her

Eventually Storm

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Eventually Storm

How?

I think there was once instance where Storm fought Colossus and she froze the floor with ice to make him slip, then as he was getting up she froze him solid in a block of ice which stopped him cold. I think it was in an annual where they fought Dracula. I'm not sure that would really be so effective though.

Judging from some of those scans, I think there would be some stalemates or some Colossus wins unless she does BFR.

Originally posted by basilisk
I think there was once instance where Storm fought Colossus and she froze the floor with ice to make him slip, then as he was getting up she froze him solid in a block of ice which stopped him cold. I think it was in an annual where they fought Dracula. I'm not sure that would really be so effective though.

Judging from some of those scans, I think there would be some stalemates or some Colossus wins unless she does BFR.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7466/frozencolossus.jpg

and Colossus is not immune to temperature, he is highly resistance but he is not immune. Look at the issue where Pyro heat him to red hot state, then the Brotherhood almost killled him when they use a freezing agent on his white hot metal skin.

Colossus

Originally posted by 753
A hurricane barrier could stop them and yes she can use use lightning to vaporize almost anything that could hit her. Lightning's temperature is about the same as that of surface of the sun and it travels at 20% the speed of light. They carry on average 500 MJ of energy, a single MJ is the energy a ton moving at 160km/h. This is just a single average lightning though, she can use as many as powerfull as she pleases. And since the average human reaction time is 0.2 seconds and the rules say they start the batlle at 500m from each other i think she can react in time to block, destroy or just dodge the big rocks thrown at her. His best hope for victory is to wait and take punishment until she gets too tired to throw him arround. She puts up a hurricane barrier before Colossus picks something up, and throws it?

Human's also have trouble dodging things thrown at them by other humans. Let alone a class 100.
Let alone look at the thing coming at her, and then summon her power to have lightning come down and destroy the rock.

Colossus

Originally posted by HandOfFate

and Colossus is not immune to temperature, he is highly resistance but he is not immune. Look at the issue where Pyro heat him to red hot state, then the Brotherhood almost killled him when they use a freezing agent on his white hot metal skin.

Yes, do you have those scans? I mentioned that earlier but I cant find the issue.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How?

I just think that storm has alot of options for offensive that will tire/weaken colossus.

I don't think colossus will be able to fight her until she lands. I doubt throwing stuff at her will work.. (the wind thing). Just think the odds are against him.

He can withstand her attacks but if she is meaning to beat him I think he will eventually lose.

Originally posted by Blanket
She puts up a hurricane barrier before Colossus picks something up, and throws it?

Doesn't need a hurricane barrier, she has lightning bolts.

Originally posted by 753
Yes, do you have those scans? I mentioned that earlier but I cant find the issue.

Sorry all my comics are in storage....but I did find this

Uncanny X-Men 175
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3658/colossus09.jpg

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Doesn't need a hurricane barrier, she has lightning bolts.



Sorry all my comics are in storage....but I did find this

Uncanny X-Men 175
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3658/colossus09.jpg

Yup, that should do it.

only problem is that storm hasn`t really shown (iirc) that she can create temperatures matching those by liquid nitrogen which was what the brotherhood doused colossus with after pyro heated him up.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Doesn't need a hurricane barrier, she has lightning bolts.
learn to read

Storm punches him in the face and kills him.

Originally posted by Blanket
learn to read

Why? Storm stopped Cyke's optic blast with a lightning bolt. She doesn't need a hurricane barrier.

Think about it, they never said a big rock. Hurricane force winds can put a piece of hay through an oak tree. Colossus can pick up a small rock that can fit in his hand, and at Class 100, Storm wouldn't be able to stop it, plus unless the rock is huge, she won't really see it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Hurricane force winds can put a piece of hay through an oak tree. Pretty sure that myth was busted.

Well for your information, I didn't see that episode. And Riptide said he could do it, he spins at hurricane speeds. Even if it was busted, Colossus throwing a rock at you full force would be hard to stop if he could toss it one handed.

Originally posted by KingD19
Think about it, they never said a big rock. Hurricane force winds can put a piece of hay through an oak tree. Colossus can pick up a small rock that can fit in his hand, and at Class 100, Storm wouldn't be able to stop it, plus unless the rock is huge, she won't really see it.

If Colossus has some form of super-speed, I could go with that line of logic.

Even with his superstrength...he not throwing something faster then Cyke's optic blast.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/405/omegapotentail3.jpg

One time he's shown being hurt by lightning, against several times he's shown tanking lightning with no problem. He can and will tank her lightning, he's done it before with ease.

And what I meant was, if Colossus grabs a small smooth rock, like one you would use for skipping across a lake. Then he throws it, do you really think Storm will see it? He can toss Wolverine at about 220 mph during a fastball special, he tossed him faster than that because Wolverine reached Ord's ship that was in near orbit in a few seconds. If he tosses a rock, it's going to fast for her to see, and if she does see it, her reaction time isn't quick enough to call down a lightning bolt to stop it.

Storm sees everything in energy patterns.
She will surely see anything he throws and counter it by psionically willing the wind to counter it.

The weather reacts to her subconscious and reflexes.

There are so many feats to prove this. Insta-hurricanes, flash freezing, instant lightening, etc.

And lol @ him throwing anything so hard that she can't stop it. Storm's winds are on par with Phoenix empowered Jean's tk.

Originally posted by Konton
Storm sees everything in energy patterns.
She will surely see anything he throws and counter it by psionically willing the wind to counter it.

The weather reacts to her subconscious and reflexes.

There are so many feats to prove this. Insta-hurricanes, flash freezing, instant lightening, etc.

And lol @ him throwing anything so hard that she can't stop it. Storm's winds are on par with Phoenix empowered Jean's tk.

screw you roaul, i see what you did thar

Originally posted by KingD19
One time he's shown being hurt by lightning, against several times he's shown tanking lightning with no problem. He can and will tank her lightning, he's done it before with ease.

Oddly enough, I can't think of any other time Storm has used lightning to attack Colossus

Originally posted by KingD19
And what I meant was, if Colossus grabs a small smooth rock, like one you would use for skipping across a lake. Then he throws it, do you really think Storm will see it? He can toss Wolverine at about 220 mph during a fastball special, he tossed him faster than that because Wolverine reached Ord's ship that was in near orbit in a few seconds. If he tosses a rock, it's going to fast for her to see, and if she does see it, her reaction time isn't quick enough to call down a lightning bolt to stop it.

Do you think Colossus can throw something faster then Cyke's optic blast? I can fully admit that Storm can be tagged in the air, if someone with super-strength and super-speed throws something at her....see her fight with the Hulk. Sadly, Colossus doesn't have Hulk's speed, strength and amazing accuracy to help him in this battle.

Hulk doesn't have super speed, he has fast reaction time for his size, but so does Colossus, who routinely surprises folk with his speed and agility.

And I'm not saying he can throw something faster than Cyke's eye beams, I'm saying he can throw something small and hard to see, and throw it really fast, making it very hard to dodge.

And a few pages back there are several instances of him tanking lightning, some of it from Storm. And it's also in his respect thread.

Originally posted by KingD19
Hulk doesn't have super speed, he has fast reaction time for his size, but so does Colossus, who routinely surprises folk with his speed and agility.

I actually do think the Hulk has some form of super-speed, not Quicksilver's level but above human limites. The thing with Colossus has always been that he retains his human reaction time while in armored form.

Originally posted by KingD19
And I'm not saying he can throw something faster than Cyke's eye beams, I'm saying he can throw something small and hard to see, and throw it really fast, making it very hard to dodge.

So do you think Colossus can throw something faster then Thor?

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9154/stormvsthor2.jpg

Sorry, if it seems like I'm taking this to the extreme but your only real arugement is that he can throw something at her

Originally posted by KingD19
And a few pages back there are several instances of him tanking lightning, some of it from Storm. And it's also in his respect thread.

I reallllllly can't remember a time where Storm struck Colossue with a lightning attack. I can remember a couple of time, where Colossus has acted like a lightning rod but only one time where Storm has actually attacked him with her lightning.

That one somebody put up about the lightning hurting him, even though he's fully metal, so he should just conduct it, not be affected by it.

And When White Queen took over Storms body and attacked him.

And I'm not sure if she was attacking him on a few other occasions, but I know when he was used as a lightning rod, it was actual lightning and not lightning from her hands, there is a difference.

Either way, he tanks lightning all the time, using it wouldn't really do much.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Why? Storm stopped Cyke's optic blast with a lightning bolt. She doesn't need a hurricane barrier. Here's why. Because the guy I responded to said something about a hurricane barrier, not me. I just said she couldn't put one up in time.

I don't care if she doesn't need one or not; that's irrelevant to what you responded to.

And 'Why'? So you don't throw around irrelevant opinions at people.

Human raction time is 0.2 seconds, just how fast do you see that rock travelling?

Also, even if the rock is too small and fast to be seen, she would see him picking it up and throwing it at her, so she would have time to react and create a wind barrier or a high voltage zone that fries anything that enters it while he does it.

Her power is psionic so she merely has to think about it to will it into being, while he has to move arround and interact with the battlefield. If anything, he is the one with the speed/reaction disadvantage here.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
I actually do think the Hulk has some form of super-speed, not Quicksilver's level but above human limites. The thing with Colossus has always been that he retains his human reaction time while in armored form.

colossus' speed and agility are enhanced when he's in his metal form.

Originally posted by HandOfFate



I reallllllly can't remember a time where Storm struck Colossue with a lightning attack. I can remember a couple of time, where Colossus has acted like a lightning rod but only one time where Storm has actually attacked him with her lightning.

Look at the scans back there, he has absorbed her lightning for minutes, she can't hurt him with lightning at all.

The best Storm can do is create a powerful hurricane and gather dust around Piotr to disorientate him. While pounding him with lightning bolts to slow down the throwing of random objects at her. If she gets close and tries to deep freeze him. Piotr would just shatter the ice with the energy that emanates from his body when he changes form.

It's a Stalemate.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
If Colossus has some form of super-speed, I could go with that line of logic.

Even with his superstrength...he not throwing something faster then Cyke's optic blast.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/405/omegapotentail3.jpg Pretty sure Colossus wasn't fighting back there, that will make a difference. Also pretty sure Storm was amped there beyond her normal abillties.

Emma Frost in control of Storm's body tried to fry Colossus:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossusandStorm_unc152.jpg

The narration states during a training session Colossus is in no danger from Storm's lightning:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/UncannyX-Men160-02.jpg

These speak for themselves:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightninguxmann_3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightning2uxmann_3.jpg

Good job ^

Especially with his feet on the ground Piotr's biology should make him a perfect conduit for electricity. It's just the impact damage of the bolts that will do little more than distract him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightninguxmann_3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusandlightning2uxmann_3.jpg

Actually, your scans pretty much tell the story. Storm held the lightning within herself while Colossus dealt with electrical energy that got pass her.

It a good feat, but the lightning was not directed at him, Storm absorbed most of it. I think it interesting, that even though Storm absorbs most of the lightning inside of herself, the excess heat is melting the pavement.

Originally posted by Blanket
Here's why. Because the guy I responded to said something about a hurricane barrier, not me. I just said she couldn't put one up in time.

And I was replying she doesn't need one.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Pretty sure Colossus wasn't fighting back there, that will make a difference. Also pretty sure Storm was amped there beyond her normal abillties.

That may've been the time when Storm was transmuted into a statue. When she was reverted to human form she went crazy for a while but if it was that instance then it was all her.

Colossus imo.

He can't beat an airborne opponent (that has multiple ranged options) in featureless environment.

Oh, it's featureless... Meh.

Unless he just rips up chunks of what he's standing on, or something.

Colossus or stalemate.

Storm just proved again that she can easily hurt him with her lightning within one of the last few issues of Uncanny (IIRC it was Uncanny). Really though she's always been able to beat him with a wave of her hand. There's not really anything he could do if she just decided to lift him off the ground and suspend him in the air while she did her business with lightning and cold. Demon wolverine couldn't do anything when she flew him around not too long ago - he didn't have any leverage. Same thing with Hulk a while back.

That issue was PIS plain and simple. A fall from 55,000 feet hurts him? Before he even got Juggernaut powers he fell from near orbit and was fine. He's easily tanked her lightning before, yet electrifying the plane brings him down? A kick from her illicits a response? The whole issue was stupid.

That kick is firmly in SVSFL territory, unless he was somehow compromised at the time.

SVSFL?

Originally posted by KingD19
SVSFL?

SpideyVSFirelord; a low feat so low that you just throw it out as being retarded.

Oh yeah, definitely. Like how she can still stand and talk after a Soviet Backhand B*tchslap.

Originally posted by KingD19
Oh yeah, definitely. Like how she can still stand and talk after a Soviet Backhand B*tchslap.

Her lighting hurting him may have had to do with him already being injured. How did he actually get hurt though?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Her lighting hurting him may have had to do with him already being injured. How did he actually get hurt though?

Last issue, that proto-mutant threw him out of the plane. He fell 55,000 feet. Because Pixie was supposed to go get him, but she just veered off and went after the mutant instead. But it makes no sense. As the distances he's fallen put that to shame, like orbit. And when he fell from orbit, it was in the Breakworld arc, years before he got his Juggernaut powers.

But now, with the powers, he falls a measly 55k feet, and he's injured. It's PIS...soooooo much.

And then whines about how he's used as the brick.

Hello...you're organic steel....

Not to mention that in what, his second appearance, Colossus fell out of an aircraft and was all like "nah, im cool, see you down there".

Colossus is more than capable of surviving that impact intact, if not completely unharmed.

In any case, http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_FF250_17.jpg

Claremont?

Byrne, actually.

Originally posted by Konton
Byrne, actually.

Ah. Not surprising, the solar winds thing is just what reminded me.

Piotr stomps hard, she can hold him off for a bit but she can't stop:......


.........: The Juggernaut

I believe Storm was also able to hurt Silver Surfer with lighting attacks.

Storm wins eventually.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I believe Storm was also able to hurt Silver Surfer with lighting attacks.

SvsFL.

That said, her mobility is going to be a major asset.

.

Storm wins pretty decisively imo. Not even sure how Colossus could win, the best he can hope for is a stalemate.

Colossus could win in the right enviroment I suppose.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Storm wins pretty decisively imo. Not even sure how Colossus could win, the best he can hope for is a stalemate.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Storm wins pretty decisively imo. Not even sure how Colossus could win, the best he can hope for is a stalemate. besides bfr, storm cant hurt him physically so i dont see how she wins

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
besides bfr, storm cant hurt him physically so i dont see how she wins She can melt him with her lighting or freeze him.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
She can melt him with her lighting or freeze him.

That would be pretty difficult, especially since he's shown a tolerance for both extreme heat and extreme cold.

And the ability to conduct elecricity. If she combined them enough, though, she might manage.

What is storms best endurance feat, as far as a constant barrage of her powers

Well she melted a metal platform while Colossus was standing on it......which didn't even phase him.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
besides bfr, storm cant hurt him physically so i dont see how she wins

I saw a scan like last week of Storm taking out Colossus and I'm pretty sure she did it easily. Does anyone have scans?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I saw a scan like last week of Storm taking out Colossus and I'm pretty sure she did it easily. Does anyone have scans?

Horribly low showing for Colossus.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Horribly low showing for Colossus.

So just par for the course then?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So just par for the course then?



No.

Originally posted by -Pr-


No.

Colossus is the best at what he does. And what he does is make others look pretty.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Colossus is the best at what he does. And what he does is make others look pretty.

Did Colossus touch you in an awkward place? You really seem like you don't like the guy for some reason...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did Colossus touch you in an awkward place? You really seem like you don't like the guy for some reason...

Lol? What makes you say that?

I actually like Colossus but the guy just sucks sometimes. Me acknowledging the reality of the situation doesn't mean I dislike the character. It is what it is.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol? What makes you say that?

I actually like Colossus but the guy just sucks sometimes. Me acknowledging the reality of the situation doesn't mean I dislike the character. It is what it is.

I don't know, you just seemed like you genuinely disliked the guy.

If not, then fair enough.

I also think that Colossus best bet is a stalemate. He is durable enough to take Storms best imho but he won't be able to touch her if she stays airborne.