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Both at full power.

Sersi's shown far finer demonstrations of molecular control than he has, IMO.

She should be able to turn him into salt.

Interesting. Sersi wins then.

Sersi. Every time.

Originally posted by Konton
Sersi. Every time.


Apoc. has complete control over his body on the cellular and molecular level though.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Apoc. has complete control over his body on the cellular and molecular level though.

Sersi has control over his body on the cellular and molecular level too. She's got far better feats with that control though.

So then it would be a tug of war. Who would win it?

so ppl think sersi is > apoc but < molecule man?

apoc has celestial tech
celestials >> cubes

if sersi > celestial then she also > MM

Originally posted by pinksushi1
So then it would be a tug of war. Who would win it? Sersi, almost certainly.

Molecule Man is on Beyonder's level.

LOL. No comparison, SoulDevourer.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Sersi, almost certainly.


Feats to support your claim?

Apoc must really hate the KMC forums by now.

Sersi wins this damn near every time.

That being said, I don't think turning Apocalypse into salt is a viable way for her to win.

Originally posted by batdude123
That being said, I don't think You could have stopped typing there.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sersi wins this damn near every time.

That being said, I don't think turning Apocalypse into salt is a viable way for her to win.


Why not?

Wow, Smurph. LOL. Lots of feats. THanks.

Apoc. can transmute as well, but not as strong as she can.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
You could have stopped typing there.

The fifth judge is actually me, and now I'm going to vote against you.

Originally posted by batdude123
The fifth judge is actually me, and now I'm going to vote against you. Surely nobody will catch on to your dastardly bias. You've hidden it so carefully in this Vs. thread!

So, Sersi is more experience with transmuting then APoc is.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Surely nobody will catch on to your dastardly bias. You've hidden it so carefully in this Vs. thread!

My tourney, my rules. biscuits

Originally posted by Original Smurph
ouch

then this definitly beats wut Molecule Man can do (i mean current MM not pre retcon)

No way. Molecule Man is on the Beyonder's level.

what the hell....why is Poccy losing? he is superior to Sersi in every way.

Sersi's transmutation powers are more extensive than his. ANd she has extremely strong control over the sub atomic leve over any matter.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ouch

then this definitly beats wut Molecule Man can do (i mean current MM not pre retcon)

His feats still remain the same, just look at his battle with the beyonder, he is a multidimensional reality warper, she is just a matter manipulator who sometimes struggles with subatomic level of control.

Originally posted by galactusischere
what the hell....why is Poccy losing? he is superior to Sersi in every way.

Let's pump the brakes there, sport.

Apoc. can warp reality and Sersi can't. That puts him above her.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Apoc. can warp reality and Sersi can't. That puts him above her.

What reality warping feats has he acomplished?

In the Ages of Apocalypse, he was warping reality to a great extent.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
In the Ages of Apocalypse, he was warping reality to a great extent. a) The power of reality warping doesn't prove anything- there are low meta reality warpers.

b) AoA is non-canon, though I'd like to see the so-called instances of reality warping.

c) Apocalypse can't warp reality.

Present a plausible method for him to win.

He created beings from his limbs, 10x as strong as a regular human. He turned people into stone..etc.

so u ppl think Sersi woud own Thanos to? (i made Thanos vs Sersi topic and every1 said Thanos wins, go fig)

Originally posted by galactusischere
He created beings from his limbs, 10x as strong as a regular human. He turned people into stone..etc. Neither of those are reality warping instances. Just matter manipulation, which Sersi can do far faster, with greater precision and in greater quantities.

Apoc had the advantage over Loki...
He had the advantage over High Evo.

Owned Ikaris with absolute ease..

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Present a plausible method for him to win.

You prove that Sersi's matter trans is superior to Apoc's first since you were claiming it.

Some of those are really impressive, the others are all mostly shapeshifting, basic matter trans.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Present a plausible method for him to win.

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whats the big deal about Ikaris anyway?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
a) The power of reality warping doesn't prove anything- there are low meta reality warpers.

b) AoA is non-canon, though I'd like to see the so-called instances of reality warping.

c) Apocalypse can't warp reality.

Plus Celestial Tech. will overcome Sersi.

Present a plausible method for him to win.


Ages of Apocalypse. Not Age of Apocalypse. It was after The Twelve.

What do you mean by a) ? Mikhail Rasputin is one as well.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Ages of Apocalypse. Not Age of Apocalypse. It was after The Twelve.

What do you mean by a) ? Mikhail Rasputin is one as well. I mean I can name characters that can warp reality but that Sersi would still stomp all over, so simply having the powerset of "reality warping" with no powerful feats to back it up does not simply warrant a placement above her as was suggested.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I mean I can name characters that can warp reality but that Sersi would still stomp all over, so simply having the powerset of "reality warping" with no powerful feats to back it up does not simply warrant a placement above her as was suggested.

If Sersi is fast enough to KO apoc. before he does anything dangerous, then obviously Sersi wins. Yeah...

What did Apocalypse even do with said reality warping? Have to agree with Smurph that having "reality warping" as a powerset doesn't translate into auto-win.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What did Apocalypse even do with said reality warping? Have to agree with Smurph that having "reality warping" as a powerset doesn't translate into auto-win.

He has low level reality warpiong powers. He displayed them in Ages of APoc.

sersi by being hotter

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These scans are sooo much better than the ones originalsmurph and batdude posted. *thumbs up*

Sersi can transmute. Apoc. can't.

a passive Molecule Man > Sersi, Evil Molecule Man in full control was powerful enough to defeat Beyonder in battle, if MM would have killed Beyonder the whole Multi Universe would collapse on atop itself.

Sersi can amp her strength and abilities to unknown levels even Zuras stated that Sersi is the second most powerful Eternal and that's coming from low level skyfather Zuras. When she was blood lust she KO Immortal Hercules with one punch not even hulk has KO Immortal Hercules with a punch.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Sersi can amp her strength and abilities to unknown levels even Zuras stated that Sersi is the second most powerful Eternal and that's coming from low level skyfather Zuras. When she was blood lust she KO Immortal Hercules with one punch not even hulk has KO Immortal Hercules with a punch.

Apoc also has unlimited strength amping, and while I agree that Sersi should KILL any normal version of Apoc, if this is the famous "non-jobbing" apocalypse then he will win -- his durability is tremendous (both his fight on the moon and with exodus show this), and in physical terms he has appeared to be significantly more powerful than hulk (big-time PIS, IMO, but not inconsistent with his powerset), Frenzy, and Ikaris. Sersi is tough, but she's not THAT tough.

If we are only allowed to use Apoc's top feats for this battle, the only way I see Sersi coming out on top is by keeping her distance and manipulating the battlefield to beat him (turning objects into monsters to fight him, slowing him down, etc.), while hammering him with energy blasts.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
whats the big deal about Ikaris anyway? He banged your mom.

Mindset: LOL.

Sersi can overpower Apocalypse's own molecular and cellular control. If Magneto can rip him in half, Sersi can do much worse.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Mindset: LOL.

Sersi can overpower Apocalypse's own molecular and cellular control. If Magneto can rip him in half, Sersi can do much worse.

We are talking cannon here. Not a story where Apoc gets downplayed.

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Originally posted by TheTyrant
We are talking cannon here. Not a story where Apoc gets downplayed.

How is that getting downplayed?

Age of Apocalypse downplayed Nur, and u know it.

And that is why he was able to take over most of the world?

Originally posted by pinksushi1
And that is why he was able to take over most of the world? That's different. They downplayed his powers and abilities.

and plus all of his allies were about to/going to betray him.

Not Holocaust or Abyss or Sugar Man or Dark Beast or Shadow King. They were all loyal. On the contrary, Apocalypse is the one who is known to betray.

Apocalypse did not do much of the fighting anyway. He made others do it for him. As a matter of fact, he only fought twice in the entire AOA.

Lol.

Apocalypse doesn't have reality manipulation. And his matter manipulation and telekinesis are crap compared to hers. Half the time in his appearances he's amped by an external device and the "feats" still suck.

And she's a reasonable telepath, while he has next to no telepathic showings.

Her physical stats can be amped, if need be for close quarters combat.

She's functionally immortal by virtue of being an Eternal and can regenerate from being atomized. Her base durability is high and she's managed to shield the Avengers from a universal annihilation.

Sersi is everything Apocalypse wishes he was. She stomps.

Sersi gets stomped like Ikaris.


The Apocalypse for the very easy win.

Apocalypse.