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Similar to the Herald - Green Lantern Challenge.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t513639.html


Inspired by my Magic VS Psi topic.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t524966.html


Alright here is the challenge. You must adhere to the laws of equivalent exchange. Meaning if someone presents a Magical Feat, one most respond with a Psionic feat of equal, or greater value.


Rules.
Top Tier Class is the limit.
Comic, and Manga is allowed.
Pri-Crisis Feats are banned.
One Feat at a time.

I would like to test my theory, I believe Psi is superior to Magic. Feel free to take up the challenge, and prove me wrong.

"Psionic" is pretty broad based. Is reality manipulation included?

I overlooked one important rule.

No items or tech. Both sides.


Reason for this is, I wish to showcase how individual character can manipulate said energy under their own power unaided.


Originally posted by illadelph12
"Psionic" is pretty broad based. Is reality manipulation included?

I would like to ban reality warping from both sides.

Strange stops and reverses time:

http://img203.imageshack.us/i/timerever12fl.jpg/

Originally posted by King Kandy
Strange stops and reverses time:

http://img203.imageshack.us/i/timerever12fl.jpg/

Here Legion comments how time is completely malleable, and proceeds to manipulate it under his own power.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7668/2021d.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7532/31019442.jpg

Challenge from Camp Magic - Rapid Evolution of a World:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo2.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo3.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo4.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo5.jpg

Originally posted by "Id"
Similar to the Herald - Green Lantern Challenge.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t513639.html


Inspired by my Magic VS Psi topic.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t524966.html


Alright here is the challenge. You must adhere to the laws of equivalent exchange. Meaning if someone presents a Magical Feat, one most respond with a Psionic feat of equal, or greater value.


Rules.
Top Tier Class is the limit.
Comic, and Manga is allowed.
Pri-Crisis Feats are banned.
One Feat at a time.

I would like to test my theory, I believe Psi is superior to Magic. Feel free to take up the challenge, and prove me wrong. is invoking allowed? cause human's aren't able to generate magical energies but can manipulate what they are given from magical entities/dimensions (that should be legal since that's what magic's all about)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
is invoking allowed? cause human's aren't able to generate magical energies but can manipulate what they are given from magical entities/dimensions (that should be legal since that's what magic's all about)

An example would be nice.

flames of faltine, winds of watoomb, crimson bands of cytorrak etc etc. strange uses those types of things in combat, but they are not of his own personal power but from dimensions and entities he has a "contract" with being a powerful mage.

and what of magical items like his eye of agamotto and cloak of levitation? are they banned also?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
flames of faltine, winds of watoomb, crimson bands of cytorrak etc etc. strange uses those types of things in combat, but they are not of his own personal power but from dimensions and entities he has a "contract" with being a powerful mage.


Yes those are allowed.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

and what of magical items like his eye of agamotto and cloak of levitation? are they banned also?
Yup those are banned.

It's kind of silly... most magic depends on using artifacts, rituals, etc... limiting them to what they can do soley with the power of their mind is pretty much handicapping it in favor of psi. It's like a "swordsmen vs gun-user thread", but you say the gun user isn't allowed to use his gun, and then use that to say swords>guns.

Its because some magical items alone exceed the limit cap. Look at Strange contesting the IG itself.

I know. That's what high level magic can do. By restricting artifacts, you're restricting this to all psi vs. only low level magic. I mean characters like Shaman, can do next to nothing with these restrictions.

Yeah, and the reason they are so high tier is typically due to their access to artifacts...

Just give it a shoot, I am sure you can find plenty of characters and feats to counter with.

If it becomes apparent that Psi hold a solid advantage. The handicap could always be raised.

Mxy wipes out the multiverse with 5d magic:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/wf24.jpg

Top Tier class is the limit Mike. Keep it up, and I will ban you. uhuh

Originally posted by Enyalus
Challenge from Camp Magic - Rapid Evolution of a World:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo2.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo3.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo4.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo5.jpg
This challenge is still waiting to be equaled, although I'm fairly certain both Nate and Rachel-Phoenix have done similar.

Originally posted by Enyalus
This challenge is still waiting to be equaled, although I'm fairly certain both Nate and Rachel-Phoenix have done similar.

Force evolve a planet, through time manipulation? That is a vary hard feat to match. I am looking into it. mhmm

Surfer's feat comes to mind.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Challenge from Camp Magic - Rapid Evolution of a World:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo2.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo3.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo4.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Alan_Spectre_evo5.jpg

I cant think of a feat that can match it.

I can only counter with the fact that a powerful enough psi, can create a temporal shield to keep itself from the feat above.

It was enough to keep Rachel, and her group safe from the temporal anomalies due to infinite amount of Earths being compressed into a singularity.
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/839/excalibur050p06.jpg

When you said top tier I thought you mean top cosmic tier

Originally posted by Endless Mike
When you said top tier I thought you mean top cosmic tier I forgive you Mike. crackers

Let's make a rule that nothing can be used from Elseworld books or What If books, kay? Just in case.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Let's make a rule that nothing can be used from Elseworld books or What If books, kay? Just in case.

umm. *off to read what if, and else worlds*.

Originally posted by "Id"
umm. *off to read what if, and else worlds*.
The feat Mike posted was from an Elseworld book, that's all. lol

^ I've come to the conclusion that no matter what kind of evidence is posted, you'll still never regard WF as the canon story it is.

That's strike 2. sly

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I've come to the conclusion that no matter what kind of evidence is posted, you'll still never regard WF as the canon story it is.

That's strike 2. sly
I might not like using it in a forum-debate setting, but I can acknowledge that since I can't definitively shoot it down, you can pass it off as canon and there's nothing I can do about it.

Nevertheless, feats done in any kind of Elseworld or What If book really shouldn't be allowed in these kinds of challenges, IMO. As they were written in the Elseworld or What If for a reason. Namely, because they didn't belong in continuity.

Example (and its a piss-poor one and there are better, but you'll understand): if I were posting feats for Superman and I'm all like "Superman is practically immortal looooook at these scanz!" and I post something from Red Son, where Supes lives for however freakin' long (immortal?), you'd be like, "Wait a minute." I mean, its canon (because its its own universe after IC) but it took place in an Elseworlds....Ditto for the Superman: 1,000,000 storyline and the Goldielocks living for however long. It's kind of canon, 'cause it's mainstream Supes. But kinda not, 'cause futures are only possibilities.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I might not like using it in a forum-debate setting, but I can acknowledge that since I can't definitively shoot it down, you can pass it off as canon and there's nothing I can do about it.

And those were piss-poor examples you gave, btw.

Originally posted by Galan007


And those were piss-poor examples you gave, btw.

that's what he does.