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Holocaust being Apocalypse's son.

Both are fully rested.

Shaw fought Holocaust once and tanked a blast from him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Shaw fought Holocaust once and tanked a blast from him.

What issue, bud? Sounds like a cool fight.

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Holocaust energy drains him ftw?

Originally posted by Survivor19
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Holocaust energy drains him ftw?

Whoops. I forgot about that one.

Since Holocaust is dumbass, there is a high possibility he would forget that too

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Strong Guy don't have sh!t on Shaw. Check the narration.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Since Holocaust is dumbass, there is a high possibility he would forget that too

And Holocaust had his helmet destroyed by Sabretooth. Then Rogue gave him a beat down. Not too much of a threat, in my opinion.

In AOA it seemed like most of his horsemen werent anything special.

Originally posted by redhotrash
In AOA it seemed like most of his horsemen werent anything special.

Except for Mikhail Rasputin who managed to mentally control the vast majority of of the European population and avoid being punished by Apocalypse.

Also, Holocaust was only impressive in AOA since he obliterated all of the American West and Japan. Holocaust is extremely unimpressive when fighting other mutants.

Mr. Sinister was definitely something special since he managed to betray Apoc. and create a mutant powerful enough to defeat Apoc.

Mikhail did well against humans, not so hard really. As for Mr. Sinister, yeah he kind of rocks in most continuities, but his AOA version seemed too cuddly. Also Magneto defeated Apocaylpse, not X-Man

Originally posted by redhotrash
Mikhail did well against humans, not so hard really. As for Mr. Sinister, yeah he kind of rocks in most continuities, but his AOA version seemed too cuddly. Also Magneto defeated Apocaylpse, not X-Man

Sinister was not so cuddly when he murdered Forge, and lots of X-Man's others friends. Don't forget that Mr. Sinister also oversaw the Breeding Pens as well, and commanded Dark Beast to do his bidding. Apocalypse should have been able to transmute Magneto. Magneto can't counter that.

I don't get what parts of the world have not actually been conquered by Apocalypse's regime. Do you happen to know? He controlled all of North America, Japan and...?

Wasn't that impressive

Overseeing isn't impressive by itself, though being superior genetist to Dark Beast kinda is

Apocalypse should have been able to crush Magneto's head into pulp or tear it off, but was prevented by PIS from doing so

Originally posted by Survivor19
Wasn't that impressive

Overseeing isn't impressive by itself, though being superior genetist to Dark Beast kinda is

Apocalypse should have been able to crush Magneto's head into pulp or tear it off, but was prevented by PIS from doing so

Was Apocalypse losing to Magneto PIS? How could Apoc. defeat Magneto or vice versa?

Actually, I remember Donald Pierce being able to cut Sebastian Shaw open. Not so tough to hurt then.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Actually, I remember Donald Pierce being able to cut Sebastian Shaw open. Not so tough to hurt then.

so shaw shows the ability to get cut and all of a sudden he is not tough to hurt?

Logan slices shaw up all the time and he still manhandles Logan.

Anyway shaw FTW.

Sure it was. Instead of killing Mags like he could, he preferred to hold him tenderly why asking, why he doesn't fight, giving Mags time to rip him.
Poccy could kill Magneto by beating the sh%t outta him. Like he did when he caught him.

His durability and strength vary

Originally posted by Survivor19
Sure it was. Instead of killing Mags like he could, he preferred to hold him tenderly why asking, why he doesn't fight, giving Mags time to rip him.
Poccy could kill Magneto by beating the sh%t outta him. Like he did when he caught him.

His durability and strength vary

And how would Apocalypse go about defeating Magneto?

Originally posted by pinksushi1
And how would Apocalypse go about defeating Magneto?

By removing all of the tech in his body or making it biological!
Becoming bigger than a skyscraper and wrapping himself around Mags an go to town.

Originally posted by the ninjak
By removing all of the tech in his body or making it biological!
Becoming bigger than a skyscraper and wrapping himself around Mags an go to town.

Via diamagnetism, Magneto can manipulate anything, including biological matter.

Magneto effortlessly lifted Asteroid M. Can Apoc. get larger or heavier than Asteroid M?

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Via diamagnetism, Magneto can manipulate anything, including biological matter.

Magneto effortlessly lifted Asteroid M. Can Apoc. get larger or heavier than Asteroid M?

He can get pretty big!
But you want a realistic way that Apoc can beat any mutant! Sweet.
Apoc gets his hands on that Genoshan tech that negated mutant powers from his days on the island. And bonds it with Celestrial tech!
Or gets that mutant cure from Whedon's run and puts them in nanites.
Depowered Mags is dead!

Originally posted by the ninjak
He can get pretty big!
But you want a realistic way that Apoc can beat any mutant! Sweet.
Apoc gets his hands on that Genoshan tech that negated mutant powers from his days on the island. And bonds it with Celestrial tech!
Or gets that mutant cure from Whedon's run and puts them in nanites.
Depowered Mags is dead!

Magneto has manipulated all of that tech, nanites, and such.

He didn't notice them recently in uncanny!
And for arguments sakes he makes them in a plastics bio alloy!
Filling the air around him with them. + creates the Cure in gaseous form and vomits it around the air around the floating Mags.
Mags' magnetic shield will supply some oxygen and if he tries to escape the bigger than Galcactus Apoc will swat him down into the earth. Then proceed to HAMMER down on the bubble overwhelming Mags until either he dies from the punches with arms the size of buildings or the gas or the nanites take effect where he becomes mush.

Oh, come on, away with that Magneto hype.
Poccy can manipulate properties of is body, making it impossible to affect it with magnetism. As in, changing the properties and not allowing Mags to adapt his powers to them.
So, he blasts at Mags, forcing him on defensive while he walks to him. And pounds him into submission.

Seriously, you should read the Age of Apocalypse.
What was this thread about again?

Originally posted by Survivor19
Oh, come on, away with that Magneto hype.
Poccy can manipulate properties of is body, making it impossible to affect it with magnetism. As in, changing the properties and not allowing Mags to adapt his powers to them.
So, he blasts at Mags, forcing him on defensive while he walks to him. And pounds him into submission.

Seriously, you should read the Age of Apocalypse.
What was this thread about again?

AOA was unfortunately a poor showing of Apoc, especially at Endgame where Mags tore him in half. But granted Apoc could have been over confident due to holding his son prisoner. But Apoc should have altered his biology to counter the eventuality of Mags not caring any more!
Great series but PIS.

Sorry for running off topic.

I say Holocaust wins eventually. Draining him after realising attacking doesn't work.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Oh, come on, away with that Magneto hype.
Poccy can manipulate properties of is body, making it impossible to affect it with magnetism. As in, changing the properties and not allowing Mags to adapt his powers to them.
So, he blasts at Mags, forcing him on defensive while he walks to him. And pounds him into submission.

Seriously, you should read the Age of Apocalypse.
What was this thread about again?

Why don't you explain fully how Apoc. can resist being controlled by Magneto? You can't. You know what diamagnetism is, right? Magneto can affect any material and can overpower Apocalypse's own molecular control.

Originally posted by the ninjak
AOA was unfortunately a poor showing of Apoc, especially at Endgame where Mags tore him in half. But granted Apoc could have been over confident due to holding his son prisoner. But Apoc should have altered his biology to counter the eventuality of Mags not caring any more!
Great series but PIS.

Sorry for running off topic.

I say Holocaust wins eventually. Draining him after realising attacking doesn't work.

AOA was a poor showing of Apocalypse? Especially since the only part of the world that was not conquered by him were parts of Africa and Europe? Especially since Apocalypse would have been able to accomplish his goals were Magneto not there?

Originally posted by pinksushi1
AOA was a poor showing of Apocalypse? Especially since the only part of the world that was not conquered by him were parts of Africa and Europe? Especially since Apocalypse would have been able to accomplish his goals were Magneto not there?

Oh I agree Apoc could rule the world and more. I consider him to be comparable to Thanos. Who was so impressed by him took him on a tour of the cosmos. Son I gave you scenarios back to Topic please.

Like. I said. Already.
Changing magnetic properties of his material in quick succession, ever adapting to applied magnetic fields by causing the forces generated by them change direction randomly, rather then be coherent. It can be done quicker then Magneto changes applied magnetic fields.

Alternatively, creating a forcefield cutting outside electromagnetic influences, however that can work.

O RLY?

And Poccy can overpower his defences and crush his head in half of the time.

When talking about AoA, people tend to forget how exactly fight between Mags and Poccy went, especially the first one.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Like. I said. Already.
Changing magnetic properties of his material in quick succession, ever adapting to applied magnetic fields by causing the forces generated by them change direction randomly, rather then be coherent. It can be done quicker then Magneto changes applied magnetic fields.

Alternatively, creating a forcefield cutting outside electromagnetic influences, however that can work.

O RLY?

And Poccy can overpower his defences and crush his head in half of the time.

When talking about AoA, people tend to forget how exactly fight between Mags and Poccy went, especially the first one.

Yes. In the first fight, Magneto stood down because Apocalypse told him that they had his son.

How does Apoc. crush Magneto's head, considering the fact that Apocalypse's armor is partially metallic? Oh, and how can Apoc. resist being manipulated by Magneto considering the fact that diamagnetism is an ability of Magneto's?
And how can Apoc. overpower Magneto, considering that he effortlessly lifted Asteroid M into outer space, yanked satellites out from outer orbit, withstood several nuclear detonations, withstood Thor's blasts, and can draw more power and energy and power from Earth's magnetic field? Oh, and Magneto has the faster reaction time, giving another advantage to Magneto. Are you saying that Apocalypse can do what Dr. Doom and Iron Man did to Magneto by nullifying their powers? An interesting point, but we have never seen him doing such a thing.

You are glossing over the fact that Mags was knocked down by a single blast of Poccy and it took him about a minute to gather himself together.

With his hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism
Make your homework on the definitions of the words, please.

With blasts and fists.
True, Mags powers are really incredible, but:
1) it takes a lot of time and strain for him to properly channel the energies of the athmosphere
2) he burned himself out many times by trying to do so
3) while he IS able to manipulate pretty much ny material, it takes him time to properly align his powers to unusual energy or matter. Time that, if PIS wasn't in effect, he wouldn't have.

What was the thread about again?