Batdude's Tourney Final

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batdude123
Team Leo/Galan:

Thor: Leonidas
Nate Grey: Both
Beta Ray Bill: Galan007

vs.

Team Id/KK:

Silver Surfer: KK
Onslaught: Id
Photon: Both

The battle will take place on Hoth.

Prep Time:
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).

Here's a link to the rules of the tourney:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t522335.html

Judges:

Badabing
Illadelph
Bentley
Digi
Enyalus

batdude123
Team Id/KK's Opening Prep Post Part 1:

batdude123
Team Id/KK's Opening Prep Post Part 2:

batdude123
Team Leo/Galan's Opening Prep Post Part 1 (because of the length of their opening post, 1 post will be docked from their 10 post total):

batdude123
Team Leo/Galan's Opening Prep Post Part 3:

batdude123
Team Leo/Galan's Opening Prep Post Part 3:

batdude123
Good luck to both teams. smile

"Id"
Unofficial Post.
Not a big deal, but If you look at our opening prep, this is the proper debating priorities._


Onslaught (Shared)
Photon (Id)
Silver Surfer (King Kandy)_

"Id"

leonidas

"Id"
zip

King Kandy

batdude123
So is this gonna pick up any time soon?

leonidas
unknot your panties, it's coming.

Galan007

"Id"

leonidas

Enyalus
Edit.

Badabing
Don't post on the tourny thread unless it's a judging question. Thanks.

King Kandy

"Id"

leonidas

"Id"

leonidas

King Kandy

leonidas
lol if you thought THAT was belligerent . . . heheh



and i'm curious--what magneto feats did he SHOW? and while you're at it, show me mags literally PULLING the hammer out of thor's hand, as opposed to sending it away after he threw it. and while you're at it, how bout proving you can mount ANY attack from behind that 'cloak'. now, if you CAN, prove you can use the magnetic power from behind your tk shield. and then . . . just when DO you try this?? is this before or after the shunt and EMP? and you can do it WHILE shielding the others with tk, shielding them FROM nate's tp and from behind the cloak?? and do you pull BOTH hammers from us, despite our amped strength, at the same time right THROUGH OUR SHIELDS??

yeah, i see nothing wrong with that strategy.

and judges, please note--they have mentioned in previous matches how UBER their amalgams are, how perfectly they mesh. how ironic then that their best offensive option is relying on the most basic power of regular old magneto! and of course, that fails too.



yet you've seen rulk do it, you've seen ss do it to his EQUAL, you've seen quasar do it. you've seen doom do it and IM in his OLD, classic armor. ignore much?


except for the above mentioned, right? and you're not arguing it very stridently--i know it's because even YOU aren't convinced of your stance. others can see it too. and if you fire a blast (as you have REPEATEDLY said you will), what's to keep us from (as we've ALREADY SAID) simply PULLING the energy from you like thor did to the presence in our OP? you have repeatedly said you are RELEASING energy at us. perfect. we just keep draining once it's released though again, there are numerous examples of him getting drained "through his glaze" WITHOUT the release of any energy at all.



lol read what i posted--i said it was another example of the PC being ABSORBED, not ss being drained. let's review:

thor CAN drain (shown repeatedly)
thor CAN absorb (shown repeatedly)
ss HAS been drained (shown repeatedly)
PC HAS been absorbed (shown repeatedly)
THOR HAS absorbed PC (shown)
thor CANNOT drain ss though many others have done so with and without lesser equipment than MJOLNIR??

sounds like a perfectly reasonable conclusion to me. smile



ignoring? i said that ONE scan doesn't refute all the others to the contrary. i also said he CAN resist, but as your OWN SCANS show, he has to actively fight it off. and if he's engaged in fighting off a drain, successful OR unsuccessful, he's an easy target. and yet I'M the one doing the ignoring. remarkable.



show me where or gtfo with this line of reasoning. smile



are you listening to yourself? the blast stopped a skyfather level enchantment. and the outcome of that meeting was undecided, btw. does onslaught have a skyfather level forcefield lying around somewhere that you're waiting to spring on us?



good lord . . .



like you have anything more? YOU said he was using "gravitational lensing" and compared it to sue storm! your partner said he IS folding/warping space, and isn't even sure the environment was left intact! yet i should drop it? how about if you guys work as a team and get your story straight. or better yet, just use a power that is actually within the rules. smile



the majestrix HEAVILY implied he warped space/time. genis did not gainsay her. if such is the case, it is illegal. simple as.



now onslaught has access to infinite energy too? and he is going to be drawing power from genis (because onslaught himself certainly won't have infinite power) behind the cloak, and through all the shielding you guys have thrown up? and you're STILL going to remain undetectable to us somehow?

are you guys actually thinking these things through?



that's not an insult, it's fact. it's what happens when you blatantly ignore piece after piece of on-panel proof.



rulk? quasar? ss vs himself? IM. doom. yeh, hardly any support at all. maybe the names just don't show up on your screen? should i change the colour of the font?



storm's LIGHTNING has severely harmed ss on a COUPLE occasions. i know you guys generally label anything shown multiple times as pis, but the rest of the world would consider this PROOF. so, unless you now want to say storm's lighting>GB, i feel safe in assuming GB>>>>silver skin . . . not to mention it is magic, and my earlier scan where ss gets gutted by a magic dagger shows how well he does against high level magic.



i've been saying the same since we put in our OP's . . .
but, to your point--did you even READ what i said? we can't USE anything from current nate. we don't know his level of power and anything regarding him was banned. again, more slowly?

show . . . us . . . something . . . from . . . the character we . . . drafted . . .



lol amazing . . . . btw, you've yet to show these ka-zar vs thanos scans. i'd love to see the h2h battle between those 2 colossi.



and i'll just ignore all the scans that show the contrary. kk strikes again. and i think ka-zar>thanos!!1! kk strikes twice while the iron is hot! big grin



and we've proven they CAN be drained, either completely, partially or in such a manner as they need to actively resist the attack.



actually you've proven that you will continually pursue the worst line of reasoning ever exhibited in a finals match. but well done anyway! lol



you showed an inadmissible scan and STILL have shown nothing regarding the character we drafted! but we wait eagerly. smile and even if anyone DOES feel like believing that banned scan, once onslaught is ko'd, it's still 3-2 and genis and ss can't harm us at all. nate can still use his TK to MASSIVE effect, slowing them down so thor and bill can ko them physically. again, no proof whatsoever to say the psi-armor would stop the effects of TK, since charles is a telepath and the armor was designed to counter charles's talent.



they've proven they can't communicate with each other and have no idea how genis did what he did, whether he could do it to all of them or whether they could attack from behind this 'cloak'. or even if it's legal.

and one more time . . . . . . is there any offense in their future? i don't even know who kk is USING! not a single mention of offense in this entire post aside from the all powerful--we pull your hammer from your hands through our shields, our cloak, your shields and your amped strength! honestly, i've not seen anything like it in any tourney i've ever been in . . .

we win because they . . . can't attack us at all?
nwoot

King Kandy

Galan007

"Id"

Galan007

"Id"

batdude123
Battle is over.

Congratulations to both on a hard fought match.

"Id"

batdude123
Just to bring this to all the judges' attention:

All the feats for Nate in Dark X-Men have been deemed illegal/inadmissible for this match.

Any scans from Dark X-Men should be disregarded.

Thanks.

leonidas

King Kandy
You know, a decision was posted and that was that. You really didn't need to take the opportunity for another sarcastic one-liner.

leonidas
Originally posted by King Kandy
You know, a decision was posted and that was that. You really didn't need to take the opportunity for another sarcastic one-liner.

aww. sad

perhaps had he left well enough alone after the match was done i wouldn't have. smile

and i somehow i think id at least knows i was clowning.

Bentley
Ok, I'll be brief this time since I rest assured other judges are there to give a deep and significant evaluation. Me, I'll just go ahead and throw my impressions left and right.

The mallet shatters. "you're no Exitar" is an affirmation in my (very personal and punctual) book. Thor thus, dies.

I rule the interference on the psychic plane as illegal by this rule:

- Matter Manipulation: Banned on opponents and environment-large scale (ie no turning the entire planet into swiss cheese) otherwise allowed.

Disrupting the phychic plane is an environment-large manipulation in every way that matters (I follow the spirit of the rule, not its letter). As such, Onslaught comes into the battle with no particular plan.

... And then he gets killed by a godblast. The rest of the battle really goes like its proposed: BRB is trying to keep his hammer while Nate mind nukes the opposition. The armors are Kaazar-level, not that it matters and of course Surfer can be drained.

But I think that for the first time EVER the meshings actually come into play, Photon has been drained to no effect and this version has the virtue of being stable (not in past nor future). For me, this shifts the balance.

Despite the bad matchup they got themselves into I give this to team ID and KK. Congratulations.

Well played guys, well played.

"Id"
Originally posted by batdude123
Just to bring this to all the judges' attention:

All the feats for Nate in Dark X-Men have been deemed illegal/inadmissible for this match.

Any scans from Dark X-Men should be disregarded.

Thanks.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4092/fffffz.png

Originally posted by leonidas
aww. sad

perhaps had he left well enough alone after the match was done i wouldn't have. smile

and i somehow i think id at least knows i was clowning.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7687/ragem.png

That just about sums up my reaction. awesrug

King Kandy
What's over is done. Just get over it.

Meanwhile, thanks Bentley!

Enyalus
Enyalus' Evaluation on the Finals:

A few things I feel need addressing right at the beginning:

Id/Kandy's "anti-psi armors" certainly don't appear to be at all like the psychic construct type that Galanidas' team is using via Shaman .

1. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8827/excalibur10016.jpg

That being said, I'm ruling it illegal under the "Constructs/Summoning: No summoning and only constructs similar to a Green Lantern's are allowable" clause for this match, and thus Team Id/Kandy do not have Anti-Psi armor under their silver coating to begin the match.

I'd also like to point out my observation that, while I might be convinced of Id/Kandy's cloaking being undetectable to Team Galanidas in and of itself, they chose to overlap each other with shielding during their prep and for their assault. If it's Genis' shielding, that's photonic energy shields. If its Surfer, its Power Cosmic shielding, and if Onslaught, psionic energy in nature. Any three ways you cut it, that's energy which isn't going to be cloaked from Nate and BRB/Thor . Meaning Galanidas would in fact be able to follow you and/or absorb such shielding.

1. http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6091/seepowerflow.jpg
2. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9031/billtrack1.jpg

Regarding the strength of Genis' shielding and surviving 'galaxy destroying explosions', I'm skeptical to say the least. The evidence presented flatly states that Genis had spatial apertures open at the time, so how much energy did Genis take as opposed to how much was released into the negative zone? Genis' shield has been busted by a Mjolnir throw from King Thor, afterall.

1. http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5365/captainmarvelv20108.jpg
2. http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/993/captainmarvelv20116.jpg
3. http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5910/captainmarvelv20119.jpg
4. http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7981/captainmarvelv2012021.jpg

As for Onslaught's EMP at the outset of the match, the meaning of the acronym - electromagnetic pulse - should make it pretty clear that Mjolnir and/or Stormbreaker will be capable of absorbing it, especially since it has already absorbed Magneto's electromagnetics before Even if they chose not to absorb it, the combination of psi-armor and shielding would be enough to overcome it.

1. http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1223/natemodt2.jpg
2. http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1769/natemodt3.jpg
3. http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3174/natemodt4.jpg

Which brings me to the Godblast argument and Mjolnir breaking. I don't think Galanidas ever argued that "the Exitar Godblast is the exact same one we are going to use on Onslaught!" Especially considering that they showed more than just that incident. Like his Godblast chasing off Galactus, and pushing back Juggernaut (they could've also went with his one-shotting the Dark Gods amalgam, but hey, no one's perfect.) That being said, it strains credulity to think the Godblast will break Mjolnir when they presented more than one example of the Godblast not breaking Mjolnir.

All of this is just a longwinded way of agreeing with Team Galanidas when they said that Onslaught dies at the virtual outset of the match. Id/Kandy's shields allow them to be tracked even if not visible, and they are probably in the process of being absorbed . The Godblast does have enough power to kill Onslaught (at least for the purposes of this tournament under Batdude's rules), and thus Id/Kandy is down 2 players to Galanidas' 3 players.

1. http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir34-Magnetism.jpg

As for the psi-hurricane and astral interference, I don't see anything illegal about it. I do question it's effectiveness, however. In Id/Kandy's astral interference scan it specifically states that Nate overcame it 'with an ease that borders on frightening'. This was a weaker version than the Shaman Team Galanidas is using, and furthermore, Shaman is prepared and ready during this battle.

1. http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6900/theuncannyxmen33515.jpg

Additionally (and I admit somewhat sarcastically), I'm wondering even if Id/Kandy wins this, how much of a universe will be left to enjoy their victory . I mean, they posted two separate versions of the way his power works: pre-Zemo tampering and post-Zemo tampering. Post-Zemo tampering is Photon, which is apparently who they are using. Given that his every breath was killing Eternity, I have to wonder what this battle would do given the excessive amount of power he'd be using and/or sharing.

1. http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5248/thunderbolts100page26.jpg

Continued next post...

Enyalus
Enyalus' Evaluation on the Finals: Continued...

I know it seems like I've been completely against Id/Kandy during this analysis, but there were points in Galanidas' arguments that I'm not buying, either. Silver Surfer being drained through his skin, for example. While I am aware that it has happened before, against Rulk and Quasar most noticeably without assistance from tech, Id/Kandy defended themselves well with multiple instances where SS has fought it off, including the Enslavers incident . That holds a lot of weight with me personally due to it being written by Silver Surfer's creator, Stan Lee. It doesn't get more canonical than that.

1. http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2181/ssenslavers64.jpg

I also wasn't sold on Shaman being able to mindrape either SS or Genis, even without anti-psi armor as I've ruled here. The Power Cosmic gives SS phenomenal resistance to telepathic assault, as evidenced by him being the first one to shake off the Goddess's mental influence as well as besting Thanos on the astral plane, for example. And Genis is an omniversal telepath, afterall. What was posted to suggest Shaman could turn off Genis' power doesn't take into account that Genis wasn't aware of Purple Man being his enemy/opponent nor that he was even near the battlefield at that time, plus that Purple Man's abilities were being amplified by Baron Zemo with his moonstones. In the case of this conflict, of course, Photon knows who he is fighting.

1. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9318/genistp2.jpg

I toss this in almost as an afterthought, but the illusions which Galanidas have Shaman project are also useless in my opinion, as Id/Kandy have shown . And by his statement Genis has given regarding the definition of his Cosmic Awareness to Moondragon (posted somewhere in the mess, probably.)

1. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4084/avengersforever10p02and.jpg
2. http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6729/avengersforever10p04.jpg

This being said, Id/Kandy's offensive gameplan was very seriously lacking. Blasting was really one of the only viable things I read, and I am unconvinced Genis can attack behind his cloaking field. Even if he did, such an energy discharge could be tracked back to the source. Given that, I'd give the newly downsized Id/Kandy team of SS and Genis one free shot each before the cloaking tactic would be rendered useless. And one-shot isn't enough to drop either of the three. If they persisted in attacking via blasts, I see the following as a very real possibility:

1. http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir50-EnergyAbsorptionSS04.jpg
2. http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2735/thorabsorb2.jpg
3. http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2458/thorabsorb3.jpg
4. http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4271/thorabsorb4.jpg
5. http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4271/thorabsorb4.jpg
6. http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8774/drain3.jpg

Now, Id/Kandy brought up the fact that, as energy manipulators themselves, they could possibility drain BRB and Thor (citing two previous examples.) However, that's all they did. "Possibly." "Maybe." "If we choose." "What's stopping us from..." They never once put that forward as a viable tactic and expanded upon it. Which is disappointing, because who knows, it could have very well worked. Then they argued for using the Power Cosmic to snatch the hammers out of BRB and Thor's hands, but the scan they posted of a Loki-amped Surfer attempting to do that very same thing failed . Ergo, I'm unconvinced of that route, by their own evidence.

1. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4600/fm198000433.jpg

One of the only other (viable) tactics they "suggested" was encasing the hammers in grade A adamantium. That is, to me, a violation of the construct/summoning clause, as I cited it at the beginning of my evaluation. I stress the word 'suggested' because that's what it seemed like Id/Kandy did for the most part. They suggested possible offenses, without actually arguing for them or stating that they would attempt them. And I have 'viable' in parenthesis because one of the 'possible' attacks suggested by Id/Kandy was mindrape by Genis...but when Galanidas' team is protected by the Watcher's favorite that seems exceedingly unlikely.

1. http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6452/mostpowerful.jpg

Overall, Team Galanidas had a great defense and beautiful anticipation of Team Id/Kandy's tactics. They also kept their offense simple and effective as well as doing things that were well within their means to do. Id/Kandy was very inventive and, before the match started, I believe they had the more powerful characters. That being said, for all of their inventiveness and novelty, they showed a lack of imagination for the offensive side of the battle. Lacking Anti-Psi armor, having Onslaught taken out at the outset of the match, and using primarily energy blasts as the main offense against a team whose special is absorbing and redirecting that energy bodes incredibly unfortunate for Id/Kandy. Even with their speed advantage, the omnidirectional blasts of Thor and BRB and the fact that Mjolnir/Stormbreaker can draw those blasts to the hammers for absorption render it almost entirely ineffectual.

Based on the arguments set forth, the rules of the tourny, and to an extent, the powersets of the combatants involved even...My vote for winning Batdude's Tourney Final goes to Team Galanidas!

Both sides made some great points, but Leo and Galan, yours had me hooked more so than your opponents. Well done.

leonidas
Originally posted by "Id"
That just about sums up my reaction. awesrug

lol

i get it. it was actually a rather shrewd attempt ya bastich. wink

illadelph12
Due to work and a social engagement (wedding) that I'm about to head to in a about 20 minutes, my time is limited for the next week or so, so I'm going to have to make my judgment now, and very, very brief. I've been following this match since the onset and it was very well played. Though normally I'm a bit verbose, this is gonna be quick.

I have to give the win to id/Kandy. I felt they covered all bases very well and, given the unwitting blind Thor/Godblast kamikaze attack coupled with Nate being disabled out the gate (which I considered fair play on Onslaught's part), it put Leo and Galan in a hole I don't think they had the tools to pull themselves out of.

This being the Finals point allotments and the like are unnecessary, so, as stated above, and as much as it pains me to say because Leo is the real, real homie,

Delph's Vote:

id/Kandy

"Id"
Man [email protected] the tournament, congratulations on your wedding. coot

Digi
As I usually do, my judgement will first be a series of observations as I read through the thread, with no rhyme or reason to the order.

- My first thought is that I was curious what was to be done with two seemingly redundant power sets in BRB and Thor. But obviously I know better than to underestimate leo in tourneys, and he and Galan didn't disappoint. Genuine creativity points for A. Believably granting Bill full knowledge of hammer-use, and B. Giving Nate Thor's physical attributes. I didn't know that scan existed with Masterson, and that's saying something.

- Godblast, eh? While you could have thrown yourselves a bone by cropping the scan to where it didn't shown Mjolnir being broken, leo and Galan seemed to leave themselves open to that possibility. Still, even at the cost of Mjolnir, a Godblast is a Godblast. It might be an even trade in terms of fight usefulness. There's also the GB scan where it doesn't break and he isn't physically drained, so I'll throw those two outcomes into quantum superposition temporarily until I decide which I think is more likely.

- I remain convinced that Onslaught's psi is better than Nate's, and the trap for Nate is a clever one. Galanidas threw the whole astral pwnage thing into some question, but it doesn't change my estimation of psi skill in this fight. The Godblast is being unleashed as soon as the battle starts however, and I believe it would provide sufficient distraction to place the various psi-strats for both teams on the backburner. Nate wouldn't be psi-pwned in fractions of a second. A longer battle favors Onslaught, however, provided both are still standing after some time.

- No less than 4 separate instances posted means I'm going to believe Surfer can be drained. The infinite-source anti-drainage Photon scan, however, makes me believe he'd be immune to such tactics. The Mrrungo-Mu scan where he can't drain Surfer is a fun rebuttal, but a panel after saying the silver coating blocks him, he cracks the silver coating with a single energy blast. Weird showing for Surfer. I'll grant that a skin-coating block is possible, but even in the Mu scan they seemed to leave the possibility not too hard to attain.

- I let Kandy break the GB hammer-break tie. He posted a 3rd instance of it where it doesn't break. Sorry bud. A fluky showing that's outweighed by a larger body of contradicting evidence isn't enough for me to pull the trigger on such an assumption.

- Kandy backed the Surfer-can't-be-drained argument with a few more scans. One involves a far-different soul suck and another is just an attack from Mephisto, not an energy drain. There's the Mu incident and one involving Rogue that seem credible to the point. He can resist some drains but not all, is the conclusion I came to. Because when you have multiple scans on either side, neither side can simply be thrown out (as, of course, both teams wanted to do). The draining scans that I can count as credible outnumber the non-draining scans though, and the hammers are basically comics' Alpha Male of absorption.

- Id finally brought some offense to the forefront. I haven't seen a bad scan for Genis yet.

- Galan's "our characters know the limitations of the hammers" was enough for me to shunt aside the idea that the hammer would break. Yeah, it broke during the Exitar thing, but there's more than 1 refuting scan as well as the general battle awareness that Thor would undoubtedly have about mjolnir's limits and his own life-binding to the hammer.

- What was the controversy about, the psi-blockers in the current Dark X-Men series? If that's it, I'm not sure what the fuss was about. In any case, I believed from the start that Kandy/Id's team was psi-blocked sufficiently against Nate, even before those scans. I always figured Nate's primary function was some basic defenses against Kandy/Id's superior psi, and the psi-armor to amp the Hammer Bros.

- Lots of "Point A" "Well point B" "Well sure, but Point A" "Which is refuted by Point B".....you guys ran out of things to say after a little while. The Leo/Kandy back and forth became particularly tiresome. Make a point, establish that you believe what you do and why, then ignore the same point being made again. Not a match comment, just a debating one. I lol'd once or twice though.

- Surfer beat Bill, yes. Both teams are amped though. I can't glean much from that fight.

- Surfer sharing some of his power cosmic means that he himself is slightly under-powered. There's only 100% of his power to go around. Other amps were in place, yes, but the Surfer feats/rebuttals had to take that into consideration.

- Illusions, as they have ALWAYS been, are useless. Thanks for the lulz though.

....


I think Surfer can be drained, I think Thor and Mjolnir will survive the Godblast. I think the EMP will be absorbed. I think Kandy/Id didn't have enough offense. I don't know what to make of Photon, who had the best defenses of anyone here, but I'd have to believe he's far beyond the tourney limit to overcome his team's shortcomings. I was honestly somewhat rooting for the underdogs here....leo's got enough titles. But I have to be fair, and Galan and leo cleaned this one up. Good job both sides, and excellent creativity with making great use of what essentially became 2 Thors.

Vote: Leo and Galan.

King Kandy
Hmm... one vote left as the tiebreaker...

Badabing
Team ID/KK Prep:
I believed most of their prep. Mind links, memory tranfers, power sharing, EMP, PSI hurricane, PSI shunt, anti PSI shields, forcefields, recharging, refueling, etc.


Team Leo/Galan Prep:
I believed most of their prep. Mind links, memory transfers, PSI armor, Nate's boost, GB charging, shieldingreadied power draining, shield draining, hammer tracking, illusions, etc.


The battle:
To me, this match was mostly won/lost in the prep.

The illusions were almost a moot point for me. Didn't really see them playing much more than a mild distraction.

Mjolnir won't break.

Onslaught>>>Nate, imo.

I thought any speed advantage was there for Team ID/KK .

I was a bit skeptical on the whole cloaking while scouting and sniping.

I also wasn't totally convinced of Team Leo/Galan mind raping SS & Photon, at least with Onslaught around.

Onslaught gets GBed at the get go. That would take away from the PSI hurricane, which I believe Team Leo/Galan could handle.

A weakened/KOed Onslaight leaves Photon & SS much more vulnerable than Thor, BRB & Nate.

Spatial apertures, "in one door, out the other" seems teetering on self BFR.

I also believe that Photon and SS would be open to power draining attacks.


These comments were clinchers for me:






I believe team Leo/Galan was prepared for what Team ID/KK and countered almost everything in the prep round. Team ID/KK fought hard but never were able to counter team Leo/Galan's prep.

Onslaught get stunned/KOed via GB. That takes away the PSI hurricane and leaves Photon & SS open for Nate's PSI attacks. While I don't think it would be a mind raping, it sure would be enough of a distraction to open up other attacks from Thor & BRB.

With Onslaught incapacitated, Thor & BRB can focus on finding the PSI distracted Photon & SS.

Photon & SS eventually fall due to simultaneous PSI attacks, power draining and offensive attacks.

My vote goes to Team Leo/Galan

King Kandy
Oh well. Great match, and at least I got a higher showing than ever before.

Digi
Congrats to both sides. Kandy, Id, I can relate to 1-vote losses better than most. Even though I was part of the reason you lost, you guys did great, and congrats on making it this far. Kandy in particular, whose tourney skill and success has steadily improved.

Leo, you didn't need another tourney win ( stick out tongue ) but you earned it as always. Galan, was this your debut? Either way, good job.

Galan007
Originally posted by Digi
Leo, you didn't need another tourney win ( stick out tongue ) but you earned it as always. Galan, was this your debut? Either way, good job. Yeah, it was my first.

King Kandy
You know I think I currently hold the record for most tourneys joined without any wins, actually.

Digi
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it was my first.

Then as of right now you're 1 of 3 people in tourney history to be completely undefeated. The other two (TheKahn and Jinzin) won the only tourney they ever entered.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You know I think I currently hold the record for most tourneys joined without any wins, actually.

Really? Interesting. Points for persistence then.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it was my first.
That's pretty surprising to me, since I consider you and ODG the two best debaters in the vs. currently. And certainly near the top in comics knowledge.

Congrats on the win.

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