Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Thanos (w/ HOTU) vs. The One Above All

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pinksushi1
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Mindset
The One Above All

Mshinu
eraser ftw

pinksushi1
Originally posted by Mindset
The One Above All

And what about between the first two?

Mindset
Stalemate

pinksushi1
In other words it would come down to who is the smarter combatant of the two.

Slaanesh
The One Above All(writer) >>>>>> Pre-Retcon Beyonder = Thanos (w/ HOTU)

Mindset
Originally posted by pinksushi1
In other words it would come down to who is the smarter combatant of the two. No.

pinksushi1
Originally posted by Mindset
No.

Then what would it come down to?

Mindset
Nothing.

pinksushi1
LOL

Mshinu
Both Beyonder and Thanos got TOAA`s power here so it`s pointless.
TOAA is still TOAA however.

galactusischere
Beyonder=TOAA>HOTI

janus77
Originally posted by galactusischere
Beyonder=TOAA>HOTI
Beyonder=TOAA>HOTI WHERE HOTI - SQGRL = 1/SPIDERMAN yes

Black bolt z
The order of power in this is One-Above-All then Thanos with HOTU then beyonder.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by janus77
Beyonder=TOAA>HOTI WHERE HOTI - SQGRL = 1/SPIDERMAN yes What does TOAA stand for?

JakeTheBank
The One Above All

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mindset
The One Above All

Mindset
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thanos with HOTU then beyonder. Based on absolutely nothing, I assume.

ares834
TOAA wins.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by Mindset
Based on absolutely nothing, I assume. Based on what I have read of both.

Mindset
What did you read that put Thanos w/ HOTU over Beyonder?

Black bolt z
Originally posted by Mindset
What did you read that put Thanos w/ HOTU over Beyonder? He killed the most powerful entities in the marvel universe including the LT,Galactus,Eternity and at least one celestial.I haven't acctually read the comics about the HOTU but I'm looking for them and I have read a lot about the series.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Black bolt z
He killed the most powerful entities in the marvel universe including the LT,Galactus,Eternity and at least one celestial.I haven't acctually read the comics about the HOTU but I'm looking for them and I have read a lot about the series.

Then you're looking for "Marvel: The End"


and big B could have accomplished those feats mentioned with ease.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by galactusischere
Then you're looking for "Marvel: The End"


and big B could have accomplished those feats mentioned with ease. I know what the title of the series is and I know the beyonder is extremely powerful but so is the HOTU.TOAA wins either way though.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by galactusischere
Then you're looking for "Marvel: The End"


and big B could have accomplished those feats mentioned with ease.



It goes... TOAA, THOTI, Pre-Beyonder.

Enyalus
^ He said "Big B" as in Beyonder, Kurupt.

Mr Master
TOAA ... then classic Beyonder & THOTI stalemate.

TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

They were both supreme powers above the LT.

So ... stalemate. smile

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Enyalus
^ He said "Big B" as in Beyonder, Kurupt.

Thanks my fine feathered friend big grin

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Mr Master
TOAA ... then classic Beyonder & THOTI stalemate.

TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

They were both supreme powers above the LT.

So ... stalemate. smile

I agree to an extent. The only problem with this line of reasoning is this.... THOTI was the POWER of TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) the beyonder was never the power of TOAA. Thus, in a battle imo.. the one backed by the TOAA overall omnipotent power would prevail. .

Mindset
Beyonder had the power of Starlin/Milgrom.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Mindset
Beyonder had the power of Starlin/Milgrom.

how is this? The THOTI was the direct power of TOAA. The Beyonder wasn't the power of TOAA.. he was from a totally seperate place all his own.

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by Mr Master
TOAA ... then classic Beyonder & THOTI stalemate.

TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

They were both supreme powers above the LT.

So ... stalemate. smile
Ok, so...

PR Beyonder (before the MM fight)
PR Molecule Man
HoM Wanda
THOTI
Infinity Being
Alien Entity
FP Sise-Neg

.. are all equals? And only TOAA is above them

Mindset
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
how is this? The THOTI was the direct power of TOAA. The Beyonder wasn't the power of TOAA.. he was from a totally seperate place all his own. Because he had the power of plot, which was Shooter, who was TOAA. smile

Btw, I meant Shooter.

Mr Master
^^ thumb up Which is why this ends in stalemate.

That aside ...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

how is this? The THOTI was the direct power of TOAA.

The Beyonder wasn't the power of TOAA..

he was from a totally seperate place all his own.
According to Shooter, the Beyonder was above TOAA (himself/Milgrom) laughing out loud

I always enjoy your stuff KT, there's no doubt you're a true debater,
but we'll go nuts discussing this particular subject,
believe me it's been dissected in several threads.

So instead,
I found a thread from 08' where this debate went the full mile,
it was basically myself and like one or two others
vs everyone ... concerning THOTI vs classic Beyonder.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=477511&highlight=thotu+vs+forumid:77

I think this explains every possibility when differentiating both sides.

galactusischere
Did the Infinity being really create the LT?

http://img48.imageshack.us/i/bornee5.jpg/

Mr Master
^^ ... not officially ...

... but according to logic
after we set the historical cosmological Marvel stage in place?

Yes.

The Infinity Being was TOAA's tool to create eveything.

Remember, TOAA can't actually show us their pencil doing the job,
so they use in-comic fictional characters to do their work.

TOOA gave us a glimpse of how they operate, (FF#511)
but to give the cosmological genre an interesting substance,
they use this method to create reality/stories. (which is the way it should be)
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Ok, so...

PR Beyonder (before the MM fight)
PR Molecule Man
HoM Wanda
THOTI
Infinity Being
Alien Entity
FP Sise-Neg

.. are all equals? And only TOAA is above them
1. TOAA
2. PR Beyonder/THOTI (Supreme powers above "Gods"wink
3. PR Molecule Man (ultimate potential, reached Mankind's final stage of evolution)
4. Infinity Being/Alien Entity/FP Sis-Neg/HOM Wanda (Gods)

guy222
I wonder when TOAA will appear next

galactusischere
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... not officially ...

... but according to logic
after we set the historical cosmological Marvel stage in place?

Yes.

1. TOAA
2. PR Beyonder/THOTI (Supreme powers above "Gods"wink
3. PR Molecule Man (ultimate potential, reached Mankind's final stage of evolution)
4. Infinity Being/Alien Entity/FP Sis-Neg/HOM Wanda (Gods)

I thought that IYO LT was > HoM Scarlet Witch?
Marvel hierarchy is getting confusing.

guy222
LT>HOM Wanda IMO

Mr Master
Originally posted by galactusischere

I thought that IYo LT was > HoM Scarlet Witch?
Marvel hierarchy is getting confusing.
Wanda's "God" status was a limited affair,
so the LT is still officially second to TOAA.

This seldom un-natural setting has occurred before,
like when Protege surpassed the LT in power,
and then Scathan was depicted as being above them both.

Interestingly enough, even in the LT's own bio,
he is stated to be second to TOAA,
while also being below Protege who nearly usurped his position
after he copied the LT's power and then some.

In Humanity's final stage of evolution (what PR Owen was)
the LT and all the abstracts will bow to Humans,
who will all be Gods, and each will be their own Eternity/Reality.

(on panel)

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by Mr Master

In Humanity's final stage of evolution (what PR Owen was)
the LT and all the abstracts will bow to Humans,
who will all be Gods, and each will be their own Eternity/Reality.

(on panel)
Yeah, I remember that..

That was when Eternity shown Jean Grey a glimpse of the future of humanity.

Man become Eternity themselves.

Xplosive
Originally posted by galactusischere
and big B could have accomplished those feats mentioned with ease.

You think he would be able to defeat LT and others (with ease) like THOTI did? smile

TOAA
THOTI
PR Beyonder

Mindset
Originally posted by Xplosive
You think he would be able to defeat LT and others (with ease) like THOTI did? smile

Yea

Xplosive
I am not sure if you really mean it, but anyone genuinely thinking that is a joke.

Mindset
Why is that?

Xplosive
Originally posted by Mindset
Why is that?

Figure it out.

Mindset
Concession accepted.

King Kandy
1. TOAA
2. THOTU
3. Beyonder

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mr Master

TOAA ... then classic Beyonder & THOTI stalemate.

TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel.

They were both supreme powers above the LT.

So ... stalemate. smile
Why?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=477511&highlight=thotu+vs+forumid:77

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