Harley Quin vs Black Cat

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SamZED
no weapons, no tricks, no claws. H2H only. CIS on. They're wearing masks, other than that completely naked... cause i can... Who wins?

Konton
CIS on Harley w/o tricks?

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DarthDaniel1001
Sans weapons and tricks...I think I have to go with Black Cat.

redhotrash
Harley is out of her league.

Konton
Is Black Cat strong enough?
Harley knocked Supergirl a few good yards away... PIS as it may be, it happened.

DarthDaniel1001
Harley so much as hurting Supergirl is major PIS, never mind knocking her back

Konton
Then she also manhandled Killer Crock while dazed.

And was so fast that she escaped Nightwing, Batgirl, and Robin with relative ease...

Q99
I'll note that Black Cat normally wears a costume that gives her powers. Without that Harley can put up a fight, otherwise it'd be a total stomp. Still, Felicia wins.

Of course in the past when BC had innate powers it'd also be a stomp (she once beat Sabertooth in hand to hand).

DarthDaniel1001
Harley doing anything to Croc and then escaping several Bat-Family members is all major PIS all to make Harley seem more impressive then she really is. Next thing you'll you know, she'll be able to go toe-to-toe with the Flash...

Konton
You're crazy if you think every good showing she has is PIS. I'll assume you aren't aware Harley is a metahuman physically enhanced by one Ivy's antidotes to her toxins.

Unlike Cat here, she's actually got a powerset.

Black bolt z
Quinn win.

DarthDaniel1001
Originally posted by Konton
You're crazy if you think every good showing she has is PIS. I'll assume you aren't aware Harley is a metahuman physically enhanced by one Ivy's antidotes to her toxins.

Unlike Cat here, she's actually got a powerset.

Metahuman eh? Not based on what I've seen. When was she enhanced by Poison Ivy's toxins?

Konton
Not based on what you've seen?
I just spelled out what she's capable of and done on panel. lol


When was she upgraded... eh hold on let me find out.

DarthDaniel1001
What I've SEEN is her not being able to beat Catwoman without a gun. That's kind of damning feat-wise.

redhotrash
Shes a doctor who never fought a day in her life before meeting the Joker... but now shes a expert martial artist? Wow.

Konton
Plays games with the bat family.

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Messes around with Killer Kroc.

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Knocks Supergirl on her ass before getting speed pwnd.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/harley.jpg
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Originally posted by redhotrash
Shes a doctor who never fought a day in her life before meeting the Joker... but now shes a expert martial artist? Wow.

In Countdown (#43-ish I think) Harley was brought to Themischyra by Athena (actually Granny Goodness in disguise) and spent tons of time training with Amazons. This was AFTER working for a while as an Amazonian shelter assistant.

753
They were both metas, but black cat might have lost the physical enhancements? I dont really follow the charcter

Konton
It's BC's equipment that gives her pseudo enhanced physical powers and assorted abilities.

Q99
Black Cat lost the inherent physical enhancements and got technological replacements. She's still just as skilled, though.

I'm pretty sure that's not a normal hammer Harls is swinging.

Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001
What I've SEEN is her not being able to beat Catwoman without a gun. That's kind of damning feat-wise.

Catwoman's pretty good in a fight, but yea.

753
Originally posted by Konton
It's BC's equipment that gives her pseudo enhanced physical powers and assorted abilities.

Originally it was a version of supersoldier serum

Q99
Originally posted by 753
Originally it was a version of supersoldier serum

Iirc, that was just in the animated series.


In the comics, started out with none, then 'bought' powers from, I think, the Kingpin, which gave her bad luck abilities. She got rid of them because they were harming Peter, and Dr. Strange morphed them into physical cat abilities (which was when she beat Sabertooth). They lasted for awhile, but eventually left, and she bought replaces in the form of gear/outfit from the Tinkerer.

redhotrash
lol, Super Soldier serum was only in the cartoon I believe. BC still wins this every time.

Konton
How? In this scenario Harley has super strength and super agility and BC doesn't. Skill wise they'd be around even based on average showings, so I'd say Harley should stomp by being all around tougher.

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Harley.

SamZED
Well Black Cat did beat Sabertooth (pre HF) and held her own against Carnage and Venom several times. She was also there when Parker fought sinister 12 and was beating a bunch of super villains before getting attacked by Electro. I think she should take it. Also she has her luck powers back and its no the costume that enables her to do everything she does imo it was supposed to be so but was forgotten a long time ago, now it's just her natural abilities and skills.

Prep-Man
I'll take Quinn. She also has some good showings in her new series with Catwoman and Poison Ivy.

Konton
Beating Sabertooth was a lulzy retcon error, wasn't it?

SamZED
Wasn't retconned. BC mentioned it not a long time ago.

manx422
Black Cat coz she is more sexy

753
Originally posted by Q99
Iirc, that was just in the animated series.


In the comics, started out with none, then 'bought' powers from, I think, the Kingpin, which gave her bad luck abilities. She got rid of them because they were harming Peter, and Dr. Strange morphed them into physical cat abilities (which was when she beat Sabertooth). They lasted for awhile, but eventually left, and she bought replaces in the form of gear/outfit from the Tinkerer.

Shows you how little I know about her, but she lost all the powers she had? That crossover with wolverine, wat was her powerset then?

Original Smurph
Harley

TheTyrant
Felicia.

SamZED
Did I mention they're fighting naked? NAKED!

JakeTheBank
Harley

redhotrash
Explain to me how Harley has ANY fighting ability, let alone enough to compete with a world class athlete who has given people league's above her trouble.

Konton
She's stronger, faster, more durable, and has more stamina. At least in the scenario given. That's why she wins.

darthgoober
Depends on the version of BC being used. With her bad luck powers she wins almost by default. When her powers mutated and she lost the bad luck thing but gained better superhuman attributes and natural claws she'd probably win. Sans both bad luck and superhuman stats she'd probably lose after a good fight...

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