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These duos are at their canon strongest.

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Ultimecia asorbs the universe.

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Canon strongest includes Triforce?

If at a point Ganon had the Triforce AND use it in canon, then...yes.Originally posted by iChaos
Ultimecia asorbs the universe.

/thread

And how long will that take?

The triforce is a fraction of the power of three gods that made a single land. It's not going to do anything against a universe ender. Ultimecia solos this thread.

Ultimecia wins.

End of thread.

This fight aint as clear cut as everyone's makin it seem, that's why I made it.

Don't see what's stoppin' Ganondorf from destroyin' Ellone's Machine. By

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Lul wut?

Time Compressed Ultimecia, her strongest form, doesn't use nor need Ellone's machine.

Dunno what's stopping Ultimecia from absorbing all time and space within a few lightyears radius.

Originally posted by NemeBro
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Lul wut?

Time Compressed Ultimecia, her strongest form, doesn't use nor need Ellone's machine.

Dunno what's stopping Ultimecia from absorbing all time and space within a few lightyears radius.

So your sayin' that she didn't use the machine in order to send her mind back in time from the future to get what she needed in order to initiate Time Compression? Is that what you are sayin'?

Ganon or Link use the Trueforce to wish that Squall and Ultimecia live the rest of their lives making raunchy porn movies with bad acting.

/Thread, for realz.

Originally posted by No End N Site
So your sayin' that she didn't use the machine in order to send her mind back in time from the future to get what she needed in order to initiate Time Compression? Is that what you are sayin'?

Originally posted by No End N Site
These duos are at their canon strongest.

Begin!

"Canon strongest."

Ultimecia's canon strongest is when she compressed time and was absorbing all reality.

She does not need to initiate it because your thread clearly states it has already occurred.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"Canon strongest."

Ultimecia's canon strongest is when she compressed time and was absorbing all reality.

She does not need to initiate it because your thread clearly states it has already occurred. You got a point there, pal.

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Ganon and Link share a handshake, despite their rocky past, and the gesture of pure love and friendship destroys Ultimecia, then they gangrape Squall.
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Yeah seriously. There are two Trueforce users in this thread.

The Trueforce is nothing to Ultimecia

uhuh

Trueforce amped love and friendship >>>>>>> Ultimecia. haermm

Ultmecia wins.
Ganondorf isn't going to instantly like Link just because there is someone stronger than him.

Psh. The fact that their past is rocky only makes their friendship that much more powerful.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Psh. The fact that their past is rocky only makes their friendship that much more powerful. You mean the past where He tried everything in his power to kill Link? Link might as well team up with Kratos since he has a better chance of having friendship power.

Actually, in WW Ganon tells Link flat out he isn't going to kill him, just take his piece of the triforce. That's besides the point though.

This thread assumes they've already teamed up. By this definition, they've already beaten Ultimecia 131 She just can't stand up to the power of friendship. Especially not if they wish to be the best friends evar!

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Triforce amped friendship > Ultimecia.

The whole triforce couldn't even help Ganon against Link. It's shown time and time again to be of no use in a battle.

Except that it grants Link one wish.

So what, the plot of whatever game ultimecia was in was that friendship and love conquers all?

in FF8, Ultimecia loses to the power of love and friendship haermm

Link and Ganon wish to be best friends EVAR. Instant win.

Edit: after that they just turn Squall into a fish and send him to a dimension without water, but make him immortal. Really cruel BFR.

I doubt that's what Ganondorf is going to wish for.

They don't really even have to, but I do find that option hilarious. Besides, they both have the full triforce, one of them wishes for that, the other one wishes for a clown filled with candy.

Yet Link couldn't even keep Ganon down with it.

Ganon might not even get a wish from the Trueforce. It's been a while since I played the game but I think it only granted the wishes of a person with a pure heart. So for Ganon it just amp'd his power.

Doesn't matter, really. One wish is enough.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Except that it grants Link one wish.

So what, the plot of whatever game ultimecia was in was that friendship and love conquers all?

Actually, it grants wishes, as in, more than one. This isn't Dragonball where the Triforce splits after a wish, guys. Also, 2 Trueforce users?

Spite thread is spite.

Jeez, you guys. It was already bad to begin with, but you've pushed it so far, I need to re-stamp this thing.

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Triforce can only grant one wish, and it can't even be used in a battle or else the fight in LttP wouldn't have happened. It's power doesn't even extend from the golden land into Hyrule, meaning it's a joke to planet busters, much less universe enders. Ultimecia solos, lollinkfans.

Pleez people, the Triforce has it's limits it's not omnipotent and I know TC takes time. Ultimecia can't absorb the universe instantly or even close to it and she can be stopped in the middle of it.

This is a total fail, because Link had the master sword. Which is stated directly in the game you're trying to use as evidence to be a failsafe for the triforce.

Fact 1. Friendship > Ultimecia.
Fact 2. Link could easily wish for friendship. haermm
Faxt 3. Game over.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Actually, it grants wishes, as in, more than one. This isn't Dragonball where the Triforce splits after a wish, guys. Also, 2 Trueforce users?

Spite thread is spite.

Aside from obvious PIS, you do realize Ultimecia is far superior to the entire LoZ universe and everything in it, right?

That's actually a pretty debatable point, but a moot one.

It's not important. Wish for friendship -------> win.

Obvious PIS is obvious.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Pleez people, the Triforce has it's limits it's not omnipotent and I know TC takes time. Ultimecia can't absorb the universe instantly or even close to it and she can be stopped in the middle of it.

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According to the Essence of the Triforce itself, Ganon made one wish, but due to poor wording the Triforce decided to screw him over. Link then goes on to make 16 freaking wishes.

@FA:
Cop out.

It's not PIS, because the plot didn't make her do something stupid to preserve the plot, the plot itself is just stupid. But it's canon, the POWAH OF LUV AND FWENDSHIPZ.

It's just as viable a way to beat Ultimecia as the master sword is to beat Ganon.

Edit: Scenario does work.

Edit MOAR: One of Link's wishes was already for friendship, GG Ultimecia.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@FA:
Cop out.

It's not PIS, because the plot didn't make her do something stupid to preserve the plot, the plot itself is just stupid. But it's canon, the POWAH OF LUV AND FWENDSHIPZ.

It's just as viable a way to beat Ultimecia as the master sword is to beat Ganon.

For one thing, destiny stopped Ultimecia from destroying Squall and co.

Two, do you honestly think a simple emotion is capable of killing a being powerful enough to compress all of time and absorb a universe? Love and Friendship is a blatant plot device.

According to her own game, yes. And the master sword is a blatant plot device too, what's your point? They're both canon.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is a total fail, because Link had the master sword. Which is stated directly in the game you're trying to use as evidence to be a failsafe for the triforce.

Fact 1. Friendship > Ultimecia.
Fact 2. Link could easily wish for friendship. haermm
Faxt 3. Game over.

And Link will instantly know that thats what he has to wish for? And he'll be able to do this before Ultimacia absorbs the universe? And even then he and Ganon will be able to deal with base Ultimacia who can still stop time with a word (or not) and a bullet-timing gesture, right?

Ok, so I don't know much about Ganon, so he might be able to do the third one, but I really doubt that Link will A: know exactly what to do right at the start of the fight as and do it as fast as he can and B: be able to do it beore Ultimacia absorbs him and the entire planet in about 1 second.

The triforce grants the one who possesses it whatever he desires. Link, as shown in the video Scenario posted, already desires friendship, he wins as soon as the fight starts because the triforce is already granting it without Link having to do squat. Even if neither side knows about the other, Link alone wins by virtue of already wishing for friendship in aLttP. This actually weakens the case for Ultimecia who;ll have no idea about her enemies and the threat they are if you play it that way.

Ok, Link MAAYBE survives Time Compression, but Ganon's a goner and team 2 thus proceed to kick the shit out of Link.

/thread.

But friendship beats Ultimecia. So what kills Ganon? It sure as hell isn't Squall.

Originally posted by The Scenario
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According to the Essence of the Triforce itself, Ganon made one wish, but due to poor wording the Triforce decided to screw him over. Link then goes on to make 16 freaking wishes.

What am I supposed to be gettin' out of this? I never said the Triforce wasn't powerful or that it couldn't grant more than 1 wish, It just can't grant ANY wish for ANYONE, EXACTLY how they ask it. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a Link to The Past, because Ganon would instantly rule the world and could not be defeated all with one wish. It just gives you a power boost that helps you make your wishes come true on your own

And the parts where it is said to be omniscient and omnipotent is stated to be just legend. Not to mention the Triforce is an object that can be taken away and used by who ever has it. Anyone in this thread can take the Triforce and use it.

And I swear I'm not gonna debate this any further, I just basically paraphrased that whole endin'. So what I say can't be wrong cuz the endin' just said it. So I'm not sayin' what you say is not true, just that it's not to the extreme degree it's being taken to.

Triforce does not = God, or wishing people dead, or wishing people to be weak, or wishing people away. It just helps IMMENSELY towards your heart's wish.

WAAAAAIT wait, how do they intend to "kick the shit" out of Link?

For one: Both Ganon and Link in this thread are high end reality warpers, and Ultimecia's screwed by Link's triforce powered friendship. (aLttP Link appears to be some kind of hippy.)

But uh, Squall's the least powerful character here, even without time compression and the triforces factored in, and Ultimecia's defeated by friendship. =|

How do they kick the shit out of Link?

Friendship > Ultimecia, and Squall can't fight them.


Technicly, as of WW, Triforce = 3 gods. One of which created the universe. This isn't that important though. Team 1 doesn't need power, really. Just friendship. Stock Link or Stock Ganon could easily take Squall after Ultimecia's out of the picture.

Originally posted by No End N Site
What am I supposed to be gettin' out of this? I never said the Triforce wasn't powerful or that it couldn't grant more than 1 wish, It just can't grant ANY wish for ANYONE, EXACTLY how they ask it. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a Link to The Past, because Ganon would instantly rule the world and could not be defeated all with one wish. It just gives you a power boost that helps you make your wishes come true on your own

And the parts where it is said to be omniscient and omnipotent is stated to be just legend. Not to mention the Triforce is an object that can be taken away and used by who ever has it. Anyone in this thread can take the Triforce and use it.

The Master Sword is stated to be a failsafe for the Trueforce. And it's been a while, but I think that it can only grant wishes for a pure hearted person.

This has never been proven. So far the only way we know of to take the Triforce from someone is to kill them or gather the three people who have the pieces.

Ultimacia stops time and shoves the Triforce up Links crack.

You appear to be confused about teh whole Friendship> Ultimecia Time Compression thing, it doesn't make her spontaneously combust or anything, it just means she can't intantkill you. I mean, she still can instantkill you, just.... not that way.



It doesn't matter how high-end Ganon is, he's outmatched here.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste


Technicly, as of WW, Triforce = 3 gods. One of which created the universe. This isn't that important though. Team 1 doesn't need power, really. Just friendship. Stock Link or Stock Ganon could easily take Squall after Ultimecia's out of the picture.

It equals 3 Gods who are VERY POWERFUL, but are not like God, God. They are not the know everything do everything logically possible type of god. They are just almighty, all powerful. Which is still good.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The Master Sword is stated to be a failsafe for the Trueforce. And it's been a while, but I think that it can only grant wishes for a pure hearted person.

This has never been proven. So far the only way we know of to take the Triforce from someone is to kill them or gather the three people who have the pieces.

The endin' said it can be used for evil as well.

And why can't the Triforce just be snatched from the one who holds it?

Time Compression. This doesn't sound like Time stopping.

There's actually a huge can of worms to be openned there.

Shame the triforce has the power of the goddess who created time.

They can literally turn her into a frog if they wish, no time compressing them = need new plan.

No, they're not the almighty make a rock so heavy he can't even lift it, and then lift it anyway God. They /are/ very powerful, though, and imho, the three of 'em >>>> Ultimecia. Now each Ganon and Link have their power, and Link has a sword powered by them as well.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
According to her own game, yes. And the master sword is a blatant plot device too, what's your point? They're both canon.

Except the MS is a weapon designed to kill Ganon.

Love is an emotion

And it was fate that kept Squall and co. alive.


I win.

She does it in Dissidia, when shes quite a bit weaker than when she compressed time. I assume Dissidia's still considered canon, right?

Nope, the only one who ever argued it was canon was FascistCrusader, that I remember.

Even if it was, her own power without time compression would never compete with Nayru's.
Which in canon defeated Ultimecia.

I don't think Dissidia is canon. It's like Brawl, only with Final Fantasy.

I'd like to point out, the mastersword isn't designed to kill Ganon, either, it just excels in that area.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste


No, they're not the almighty make a rock so heavy he can't even lift it, and then lift it anyway God. They /are/ very powerful, though, and imho, the three of 'em >>>> Ultimecia. Now each Ganon and Link have their power, and Link has a sword powered by them as well. And I will not dispute that. You may be right, although, clearly some of your fellow KMC members disagree.



Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't think Dissidia is canon.

It is NOT! NOT canon! I hate when people say that.

Damn, and here I forgot my giant tin-opener.



Thats..... nice?

.....How does this help Link? I thought the Triforce just granted wishes.



To quote the Spartan's, 'If'

Eh, there's always people who disagree. Sometimes I'm that guy who disagrees :P

That's what makes it a debate. It'd be no fun if we all agreed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Which in canon defeated Ultimecia.

Nah. Fate did.

Nope. Even the individual pieces of the tirforce grant the wielder power, but nothing approaching the scale of the whole thing.

Well, the option is there.

Why has this reached 4 pages? Ultimecia solos. She has controls time much better than any Link and can toss planets at her foes much faster than Majora can with his 3 day moon collision.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Why has this reached 4 pages? Ultimecia solos. She has controls time much better than any Link and can toss planets at her foes much faster than Majora can with his 3 day moon collision.

Because the lollovelinkclub are a bunch of 'tards

uhuh

I don't think four pages of reading is too much to ask. Especially when we have threads that go for 20+.

So we all agree that team 1 loses, yes?

You confused Team 1 with Team 2.

Nah.

Originally posted by No End N Site
What am I supposed to be gettin' out of this? I never said the Triforce wasn't powerful or that it couldn't grant more than 1 wish, It just can't grant ANY wish for ANYONE, EXACTLY how they ask it. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a Link to The Past, because Ganon would instantly rule the world and could not be defeated all with one wish. It just gives you a power boost that helps you make your wishes come true on your own


Ganon wished to rule the world. Unfortunately for him, he was standing in the Sacred Realm at the time. His wished was granted, exactly as he asked it, but just got the wrong world because he did it wrong.




Yes, it's a Legend, as told by the Legend of Zelda, so it can't possibly be true because it's just a Legend.



Link made several wishe, including reviving the King, reviving his uncle, reviving some other people, etc. Link pretty much pulled a Dragonball Z on everyone.

Also,
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Oh, so I was wrong about the pure hearted thing.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh, so I was wrong about the pure hearted thing.

I think it was that you need to have Power, Wisdom, and Courage in balance to get more than one wish. If you're not in balance, stuff happens.

That's not what the game said. The game said he used the Trifocre and stayed in the Sacred Realm to build his power up.



Still Legend, not fact. If that were the case Belial Aensland from Darkstalkers is God because DS legend says Makai was made from the body of God and he is Makai.



I don't remember that, show me this and show me the Triforce killin' someone. Also, I never played the Wind Waker, so what was that vid supposed to be about? Ganon pretty much said what all the other games say. And I also think its foolish to assume wishes can be granted that are outside the power of the 3 Gods.

Originally posted by iChaos
So we all agree that team 1 loses, yes?

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One of those gods would kick Ultimecia's ass.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Because the lollovelinkclub are a bunch of 'tards

uhuh

link-rape

Ha ha no.

The three goddesses are planetary.

Ultimecia was absorbing all of time and space.

Ultimecia > Zeldaverse

Actually no. The origin of the triforce cutscene specificly describes an empty void before time started.

Nayru created time itself. She alone > Ultimecia.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually no. The origin of the triforce cutscene specificly describes an empty void before time started.

Nayru created time itself. She alone > Ultimecia.

Scans

She created time on a single planet.

Ultimecia compressed all of time into a single moment.

Wowzerz.

LOL, the goddesses haven't done anything but make one land on a single planet. They can't stop a lone human from taking the triforce, much less a universal threat.

Please explain how this is possible.

Kool. Nayru wasn't there to actively pull back in that little tug of war.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Please explain how this is possible.

Kool. Nayru wasn't there to actively pull back in that little tug of war.

Waffles.


It's too bad Ultimecia's power over time >

Creating all time in an instant > Compressing all time into one moment eventually.

Ultimecia wouldn't have been able to do that if Nayru were there to intervene.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Creating all time in an instant > Compressing all time into one moment eventually.

Ultimecia wouldn't have been able to do that if Nayru were there to intervene.

Nah. Scans

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
One of those gods would kick Ultimecia's ass.


Because I made this thread I feel like it's not my place to say who wins and who wont. I was just makin' a point that the Triforce is not separate from the Goddesses. Scenario is tryin' to make it sound like the Triforce is an instant win against ANYONE in fiction, period. The Triforce is not infinite in power and ability, that's all I'm sayin'. Just like Time Compression is not instant, and Ultimecia is not God and that love and friendship is an undeniable weapon against her...as lame as it sounds.

I agree, they're directly linked.

Which was the point of the Wind Waker video. Ganondorf outright says that it causes the gods to come down and grant your wish. If you're balanced, you can get more than one wish.

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Nayru not only created time, but the laws of physics themselves. Her essence is part of the Triforce.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Nayru not only created time, but the laws of physics themselves.

Only on a planetary level though

Is there any evidence Hyrule is a planet?

When Link went to Termina, another dimension, it was the same. The Sacred Realm, too, is very similar. And, of course, the Twilight Realm. In Zelda, the universe as a whole may not even exist. Or, there is a universe and the goddesses created it, too. For instance, go play any Zelda game with day/night and look up. Do you see stars? Or, simpler, is there a sun? They're there, so you could say that the goddesses created them, too. And BAM no longer planetary.

It's not even possible to create time on a planetary level.

The ignorance in this thread pains me.

1) The 3 Goddesses created EVERYTHING from nothing, no questions asked. Start at 0:36
Also, note that Nayru at a mere pass created time, order and the sun .This is proof that Nayru alone created other celestial bodies (aka the universe) besides Hyrule.

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(I stole your vid example, Scenario )



2) The Trueforce's only limit is the will of the one making the wish. "The stronger the wish, the more powerful the Triforce's expression of that wish."

3) It is a fallacy to assume that Ultimecia's time powers would override that of Link's. If we assume she could, then this would be true:
The Ocarina of Time houses the power of the Goddess of Time (Nayru) as seen in MM. Nayru > Time Compression.
Alternatively, the Master Sword has the ability to seal the road between times, effectively nulling any time manipulation.

Allowing the Trueforce in any thread is instant spite.

Go play a Zelda game, its made very clear that the goddesses made Hyrule, nothing more. They had nothing to do with Termina, Koholint or any other land on the LoZ planet. They arn't even planetary level.

Termina is a paralell dimension (and the stone tower has the triforce symbol everywhere) and Koholint is the dream world of the Wind Fish.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Go play a Zelda game, its made very clear that the goddesses made Hyrule, nothing more. They had nothing to do with Termina, Koholint or any other land on the LoZ planet. They arn't even planetary level.
You.....make pretty bold claims for being so lacking in Zelda knowledge, you know that? I just proved that Nayru alone created the sun with a pinnacle cutscene from Zelda lore. That alone debunks your claim that the goddesses only created Hyrule.

Sorry champ, Nayru only let the sun shine on Hyrule, the games state very clearly that all they made was one land. For such crazed fanboys you guys sure are ignorant when it comes to the series...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon and Link share a handshake, despite their rocky past, and the gesture of pure love and friendship destroys Ultimecia, then they gangrape Squall.
link-rape

That handshake would turn into a beatdown for the past defeats

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sorry champ, Nayru only let the sun shine on Hyrule, the games state very clearly that all they made was one land. For such crazed fanboys you guys sure are ignorant when it comes to the series...

No, you are errent here. Din (1 goddess, not 3) CULTIVATED Hyrule. This means she took special care in creating the land that was meant for the race "closest to the gods", the Hylians.
Also she created the red earth, meaning she created the rest, minus the special treatment.
Perhaps you should get an argument where the evidence isn't stacked against you.

Ultimecia and Squall (you are useless here, sorry buddy) get defiled and shamed by Link and G-dorf.

LOL, this is just great. I've never seen fanboys as in love with a character as much as you guys, going so far as to ignore the entire series to make your fave look better. The sad truth is that Squall would stomp Link and Ultimecia solos the field here. : (

I dare you to make a Squall v.s. Link thread.
link-rape

But yeah, seriously. Friendship > Ultimecia.
Link or Ganon > Squall.

Feel free to "LOL" all you like.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I dare you to make a Squall v.s. Link thread.
link-rape

But yeah, seriously. Friendship > Ultimecia.
Link or Ganon > Squall.

Feel free to "LOL" all you like.

Squall's Limit Breaks outshine anything Link has ever done. And Link being friends with Ganon? That's never gonna happen.

Link already wished for friendship in aLttP, he's already got triforce ampted friendship and love on his side, even without wishing for Ganon to be his friend to.

And no they don't.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Is there any evidence Hyrule is a planet?

When Link went to Termina, another dimension, it was the same. The Sacred Realm, too, is very similar. And, of course, the Twilight Realm. In Zelda, the universe as a whole may not even exist. Or, there is a universe and the goddesses created it, too. For instance, go play any Zelda game with day/night and look up. Do you see stars? Or, simpler, is there a sun? They're there, so you could say that the goddesses created them, too. And BAM no longer planetary.

Prove they are celestial bodies similsr to IRL suns


Lord of the Rings has stars, and a sun and a moon, but guess what? They are not the burning balls of gas or giant hunk of rock they appear to be. LotR is essentially just a planet, even though there are visible stars.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Allowing the Trueforce in any thread is instant spite.

O RLY?

So if I created a "Link with Trueforce vs Preretcon Beyonder" thread, or a "Link with Trueforce vs Chaos" it would be spite in Link's favor?

Moot point, and not important to the thread.

Link wished for friendship in aLttP. He's already beaten Ultimecia with that, and Squall's got nothing on Link with the entire Triforce.

Nah.

You're wrong.

Ultimecia kills Ganondorf and Link before they can state their wish.

****ing idiots.

Friendship > Ultimecia.

Link already made his wish in aLttP.

Link didn't wish for Ganondorf to be his friendship **** buddy.

Ultimecia could destroy the LoZ verse in its entirety, the weak planetary goddesses includeded.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link already wished for friendship in aLttP, he's already got triforce ampted friendship and love on his side, even without wishing for Ganon to be his friend to.

And no they don't.

Link didn't wish for any friendship in LttP and besides, Ultimecia losing to the power of friendship is nothing but PIS which should've been obvious.

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Squall's Limit Breaks >>> Link's swordplay, spells, and Final Smash

Wished for friendship for the bully in aLttP. > Ultimecia. It worked on her in her own game, I don't see why everyone jumps on ignoring that.


No, it's a plot /device/ as much as any weapon used to beat any villain. It's canon.

The bully is not in this thread.

Does not apply.

It was their faggy "Bonds of Friendship" that allowed them to survive Time Compression.

Technically, Ganondorf and Link cannot even exist in a Time Compressed world unless they start out being friends.

No seriously, in a few seconds Ultimecia absorbed EVERYTHING that was visible, her castle, and every star. She stomps.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wished for friendship for the bully in aLttP. > Ultimecia. It worked on her in her own game, I don't see why everyone jumps on ignoring that.


No, it's a plot /device/ as much as any weapon required to beat any villain. It's canon.

Obvious plot device.

Squall and co. are far more powerful than Link and Ganondorf. The bully would get absorbed by Ultimecia with the rest of Hyrule with him. The sorceress would kill Triforce trio across time.

Does apply, Link already made the wish. Just because the bully isn't present doesn't negate that.

Canon.
False. with Ultimecia's ridiculous weakness, Squall can't do anything in this thread.

Edit: I started out trolling this thread for the lulz, and yet here we are.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Does apply, Link already made the wish. Just because the bully isn't present doesn't negate that. You've never played the game, do not tell me what does and does not apply in this thread.

Squall and friend's ability to survive Time Compression was due to their bonds of friendship that allowed them to exist, they all had to be present within the Time Compressed world, the bully is not present, being outside of the TCed universe and having friends does not harm Ultimecia.

Just showered.

Anyway, I started out trolling this for lulz, but let me explain my stance, because it seems the opposing side can't appreciate the humour in it.

I have not argued the power of the triforce for several reasons, the first being that it's not relevant to my argument.

Here's the deal: In canon Ultimecia was defeated by friendship. To ignore that would be as fallacious as me ignoring Ganon's weakness to holy weapons in a thread he were involved in. The triforce doesn't even need to be argued to be > Squall and co. As much of a plot device and even I'll say, a stupid weakness as it is, it is canon.

Another aspect of this, let's use final Answer's own logic against him:


Squall is larger than some stars on screen in FF8. Just sayin'. Debating universes in this way means the only logical possibility is a stalemate due to unknowns. Even though I personally believe Nayru alone > Ultimecia, when we get to comparing universes, there are too many things neither side can prove beyond doubt. So even if this does carry over to "who's more powerful", in this event, Nayru v.s. Ultimecia is a stalemate. .. But so is the entire trinity v.s. Ultimecia because there's an assload of unknowns. In a proper debate, anyway.

Until it carries to that point, I'm of the belief friendship > Ultimecia. If that's what Link's heart desires that's what the triforce is already granting him, and evne did so in aLttP. Hell, just having Ganon and Link on the same team seems to force the idea their old enmity is gone. Under these circumstances for Link to want them to be friends is actually more than likely. And if he wants it, the triforce grants it.

There's also no indication Ultimecia can compress the triforce or it's holders, and the triforce contains the power of Nayru, creator of time, who in proper debate of who's stronger, wopuld stalemate Ultimecia based on unknowns.

Who has greater control of time, the one who created it, or the one who compressed it? Impossible to answer.


TL;DR version: Ignoring a canon weakness is badz. I r not comparing their powah.

The power of the triforce > Squall = unquestioned.
Friendship can stop Ultimecia = true.

I knew you were trolling the moment you said "Link and Ganon use love to beat Ultimecia".

For the record, I haven't even played FF8.

Have a nice day.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I knew you were trolling the moment you said "Link and Ganon use love to beat Ultimecia".

For the record, I haven't even played FF8.

Have a nice day.
Good thing someone did. haermm

Let's be friends. 131

The more they post on here the more I'm sure that the lollovelink club has never actually played a Zelda game, they probably just saw a youtube vid and became obsessive, explaining their ignorance of LoZ canon and ridiculous fanwank.

No, you can't be a member, FC. We have standards.

Apparently not if you let 5L join...

Hey, every organization needs a mascot. Besides, 5L had a recent winning streak.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The more they post on here the more I'm sure that the lollovelink club has never actually played a Zelda game, they probably just saw a youtube vid and became obsessive, explaining their ignorance of LoZ canon and ridiculous fanwank.

You know, with what you're basing this on, I could say the exact same about you.

Isn't forcing Ganondorf to be Links friend isn't true friendship? Besides friendship is what allowed squall to exist in Ultimecia's world and he had friends from the start.

Nemebro, don't be jealous of me. "laugh:

Scream is right, the Triforce isn't even needed in this thread. As for the whole "Ganon and Link would never join sides, EVER, RAWR!" argument, I'd like to point out that apparently the bigwigs at Nintendo didn't mind when it happened at the end of Brawl. If you are going to be that ornery about it, then Ultimecia and Squall lose instantly because they would never join forces. At least Ganon and Link have the Triforce in common.

I'd like all the FF fans to quit being butthurt because their Ultimecia fetish got pwned by Love and Friendship.

http://goodbrendan.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/barney-and-friends.jpg

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.videogamegirlsdb.com/gamegirl/Images/Final_Fantasy/Ultimecia/Ultimecia__DFF__portrait_01.jpg


*edit* darned website wouldn't allow hotlinking, lol.

Bart Simpson is > Ultimecia. Gasp. I never knew.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Nemebro, don't be jealous of me. "laugh: Ignorance and stupidity can be envious traits at times.

I believe there's a part of the wiki that mentions the club occasionally turning on one another, and here we are. mmm I'm psychic.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ignorance and stupidity can be envious traits at times.

Really? I'm sorry, I don't agree with you there. But hey, you're entitled to your own opinion.

*edit* fixed the picture.

Oh no. Stop it. Can't you two see that your constant fighting is tearing us all apart.

THEEEEEEESE FOOLISH GAAAAA-AAAAMES ARE-.........

That never happened.

Actually it happened at 1:38 PM.

It. Never. Happened.

No, look at it, it's right there. 1:38 PM on Sunday, March 07, 2010.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh no. Stop it. Can't you two see that your constant fighting is tearing us all apart.

I knew when he came back it was only a matter of time. I'm psychic too, Shin.

Lollovelinkcub has a weakness that I can exploit.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Lollovelinkcub has a weakness that I can exploit.

Half of its members are short?

Everyone's shorter than me with a broken leg, 5L. >=|

Heh, my legs believe it is better to give breaks rather than to recieve them.

We'll see. 131

You should be aware that I have 3 legs.

Just makes the third break more painful.

link-rape

What an interesting turn this thread has taken.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Half of its members are short? That and your internal strife.

Naw, naw. I get the urge to use that pic, but I don't want to encroach on your fun.

Originally posted by The Scenario
What an interesting turn this thread has taken. This is KMC for ya!

Hey, I made a pretty legit post a couple pages ago.

Me too. I did work.

Also, internal strife is a form of love in this circle.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Me too. I did work.

Also, internal strife is a form of love in this circle. Very interesting...

Originally posted by Phanteros
Very interesting...

Some show a little too much love around here... <_< >_>

So how about that King Hyrule wishing for Hope for Link, to give him a future? That could be important.