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League of Supermen are invading Marvel's earth to take some of it's resources. The top tiers that are on the front line are:

Thor
Hyperion
Blackbolt
Gladiator
Beta Ray Bill
Pre-siege Sentry
Extremis Iron Man
Hulk

vs

Kingdom Come Superman
All-Star Superman
Red Son Superman
Ultraman
Earth 2 Superman
Bizarro
Mr. Majestic
Apollo

How does the Frontline do?

Team 2

supermen

Team 2. Hard.

Team 2 wins easily.

it would be a fight but team 1 wins

Originally posted by codyt333
it would be a fight but team 1 wins

Nah.

The other team.

DC's Superman own here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Team 2. Hard.

Supermen

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Team 2. Hard.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
League of Supermen are invading Marvel's earth to take some of it's resources. The top tiers that are on the front line are:

Thor
Hyperion
Blackbolt
Gladiator
Beta Ray Bill
Pre-siege Sentry
Extremis Iron Man
Hulk

vs

Kingdom Come Superman
All-Star Superman
Red Son Superman
Ultraman
Earth 2 Superman
Bizarro
Mr. Majestic
Apollo

How does the Frontline do?

Team two wins only because you put the strongest versions of Superman against regular Marvel people. Only Superman who would die would probably be bizzaro, apollo and ultraman the rest would make it out and kill. On the marvel side Hulk, Sentry and Ironman would die first I'm guessing your using the weakest version of hyperion sohe dies first as well.

team 1 stomps, WWH Can solo

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
team 1 stomps, WWH Can solo
If loeb writes it................

Originally posted by kakuzu
If loeb writes it................ mmm

Team 2 wht out working too hard. Team Marvel is hardly a top tier team

I dunno. Team 2 has the edge in power output probably, but Team 1 is ridiculously more versatile, and many of them have a greater history of working together than the Supermen.

I'm not so sure it would be a stomp.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
but Team 1 is ridiculously more versatile no they're not.

Originally posted by kakuzu
If loeb writes it................ Superman would most likely solo.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no they're not. Yes, yes they are.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Yes, yes they are. no they aren't

most of them are just superman clones. thor adds some versatility but then hulk's lack of versatility drags down their overall versatility.

but overall the two teams are pretty damn close in versatility.

Masterbruce is slapping some logic into Smurph.

Har har har.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no they aren't

most of them are just superman clones. thor adds some versatility but then hulk's lack of versatility drags down their overall versatility.

but overall the two teams are pretty damn close in versatility. Most of them? Which 5 are Superman clones exactly?

Hulk is 1 of 8 characters. Meanwhile, on the same team, we have Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Extremis Ironman, Sentry....

The other team is actually mostly (or, really, entirely) Superman clones. This doesn't make them close in versatility at all.

BRB momentarily teleports the others away as Black Bolt focuses a scream into Mjolnir, which Thor in turn amplifies and unleashes omnidirectionally. The others then port back in an battle the staggered Supermen to gain an advantage.

From that point forward I'm not sure who'd win, but both sides would have casualties. Particularly Ironman. Leaning more towards the Kryptonians in a war of attrition.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Particularly Ironman. Takes place on Marvel Earth. Does Stark still have those anti-Hulk satellites set up?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Most of them? Which 5 are Superman clones exactly?

Hulk is 1 of 8 characters. Meanwhile, on the same team, we have Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Extremis Ironman, Sentry....

The other team is actually mostly (or, really, entirely) Superman clones. This doesn't make them close in versatility at all.

More versatile than superman: Thor

About same level of versatility: BRB, Blackbolt

Superman clones: gladiator, sentry, hyperion

Less versatile than Superman: Iron Man, Hulk


it seems like overall, team 1 isn't a great deal more versatile by any means.

Originally posted by Starscream M
More versatile than superman: Thor

About same level of versatility: BRB, Blackbolt

Superman clones: gladiator, sentry, hyperion

Less versatile than Superman: Iron Man, Hulk


it seems like overall, team 1 isn't a great deal more versatile by any means.

That's because you underestimate the versality of the fist...

Originally posted by Starscream M
About same level of versatility: Blackbolt

Less versatile than Superman: Iron Man crylaugh

Well, if we're taking use of equipment on the battlefield into consideration, there are a lot more options for Team Marvel given knowledge of the locations of various resources and armaments all over Marvel Earth. The assault doesn't necessarily have to be direct on their part. Typically though, I believe most here simply assume that the opponents just leap into eachother swinging.

Originally posted by Starscream M
More versatile than superman: Thor

About same level of versatility: BRB, Blackbolt

Superman clones: gladiator, sentry, hyperion

Less versatile than Superman: Iron Man, Hulk


it seems like overall, team 1 isn't a great deal more versatile by any means.

Smh...

Originally posted by Original Smurph
crylaugh um...superman is more versatile than either of those

sigh. I guess most assume superman is just a big strong guy who flies and shoots red beams.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, if we're taking use of equipment on the battlefield into consideration, there are a lot more options for Team Marvel given knowledge of the locations of various resources and armaments all over Marvel Earth. The assault doesn't necessarily have to be direct on their part. Typically though, I believe most here simply assume that the opponents just leap into eachother swinging. yeah but how much would that matter when the other team could pretty much render the battlefield into ashes in moments?

Originally posted by Starscream M
um...superman is more versatile than either of those Do you even know Black Bolt's power set?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Do you even know Black Bolt's power set? yes. do you know superman's?

And I assume we're also talking applied versatility, as opposed to theoretical versatility.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes. do you know superman's?

And I assume we're also talking applied versatility, as opposed to theoretical versatility. So, you believe Superman to be more versatile than somebody who can manipulate matter (which in and of itself is more versatile than Superman), make energy constructs, control minds, control black holes, create anti-matter, amp physical stats, drain/control energy, along with all the standard physical abilities and his scream?

There's probably more as well, I'm just listing off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
So, you believe Superman to be more versatile than somebody who can manipulate matter (which in and of itself is more versatile than Superman), make energy constructs, control minds, control black holes, create anti-matter, amp physical stats, drain/control energy, along with all the standard physical abilities and his scream?

There's probably more as well, I'm just listing off the top of my head.

And too add to the list Mjolnir and stormbreaker have more wtf powers then almost any Superman could dream about.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
And too add to the list Mjolnir and stormbreaker have more wtf powers then almost any Superman could dream about. As does Tony's armor.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
So, you believe Superman to be more versatile than somebody who can manipulate matter (which in and of itself is more versatile than Superman), make energy constructs, control minds, control black holes, create anti-matter, amp physical stats, drain/control energy, along with all the standard physical abilities and his scream?

There's probably more as well, I'm just listing off the top of my head. yes, I believe someone who can do the following to be on par in versatitliy with black bolt.

- freeze living beings
- burn hotter than the sun
- seal reality warpholes
- build cities in seconds
- can escape even black holes
- read and absorb information faster than a supercomputer
- visually perceive things in slow motion
- super hearing
- micro vision, soul vision, xray vision, spectral vision
- mind as fast as a computer
- can control vibration movements to achieve various tasks
- tvo telekinetic abilities

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, I believe someone who can do the following to be on par in versatitliy with black bolt.

- freeze living beings
- burn hotter than the sun
- seal reality warpholes
- build cities in seconds
- can escape even black holes
- read and absorb information faster than a supercomputer
- visually perceive things in slow motion
- super hearing
- micro vision, soul vision, xray vision, spectral vision
- mind as fast as a computer
-

All that you've written down is Superman's senses and different instances of super-speed.

That's wonderful and all, but Black Bolt can use his control over electrons to make any construct he can imagine and to alter states of matter or manipulate matter at an atomic level. Those powers alone trump what you've stated in versatility. Additionally acknowledging Black Bolt's energy control/absorption, physical amping, and all the more exotic uses of his energy control (mind control, his voice's destructive capabilities, anti-matter, black hole control, etc), if you're seriously going to hold up the claim that Superman remains on par in versatility, you're stubborn, retarded or some unfortunate combination of the two.

smurph, i respect you too much to continue this discourse any further.

k

lol

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, I believe someone who can do the following to be on par in versatitliy with black bolt.

- freeze living beings
- burn hotter than the sun
- seal reality warpholes
- build cities in seconds
- can escape even black holes
- read and absorb information faster than a supercomputer
- visually perceive things in slow motion
- super hearing
- micro vision, soul vision, xray vision, spectral vision
- mind as fast as a computer
- can control vibration movements to achieve various tasks
- tvo telekinetic abilities

This list was a utter failure in comparison.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- freeze living beings
Black Bolt could do that through matter manipulation. He could also do things like instantly create a full blown ice sculpture...

Originally posted by Starscream M
- burn hotter than the sun
Thermal energy manipulation... yeah BB's got that. Only instead of being limited to things like blasts of HV, BB can do things like create constructs out of energy.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- seal reality warpholes
With super speed you mean, right? BB's got Super speed too, though not as fast as Supes. Of course unlike Supes, BB can do things like create black holes on the fly without having to use super speed.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- build cities in seconds
More super speed... this doesn't really add to Supes's versatility. Also, you do realize that Supes was amped by a blue sun when he pulled that feat off, so it's not really a valid feat for his "standard" self, right? On the other hand, BB's could likely create buildings out of thin air without needing to do any manual labor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- can escape even black holes
So he's super fast and durable, so is Black Bolt.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- read and absorb information faster than a supercomputer
- visually perceive things in slow motion
So he's got super speed... again so does Black Bolt. WTF is it with you that makes you think every aspect of speed constitutes an increase in perceived versatility? Doing something "super fast" doesn't make you any more versatile than someone who does it at regular speed because you're doing the same thing, it just means you're faster.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- super hearing
- micro vision, soul vision, xray vision, spectral vision
Super senses, yeah BB's got that. Don't get me wrong cause Supes's senses are definately the more impressive of the two and he'd definately have the edge in this department, I'm just pointing out that even this category isn't a sweep for him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- mind as fast as a computer
Just more super speed and not even all that impressive a display of it. Hell Dr. Doom's mind is as fast as a computer...

Originally posted by Starscream M
- can control vibration movements to achieve various tasks
See above.

Originally posted by Starscream M
- tvo telekinetic abilities
BB's energy manipulation can easily simulate TK, and he's also got a form of mind control if I'm not mistaken.




Now here's a couple for you, could Supes...

-Create solid matter on the fly.

-Transmute one form of energy to another.

-Create force fields and other energy constructs.





Point is, BB's more versatile than Supes. ANY matter/energy manipulator is...

Originally posted by darthgoober

Point is, BB's more versatile than Supes. ANY matter/energy manipulator is...