Abraxas vs. Lord chaos and Master Order

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Black bolt z
The floating heads vs. the green guy.

galactusischere
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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/675287-the_valley_of_galactus_super.jpg


This isn't spite, its SUPER spite.

Black bolt z
I know he is more powerful then galatus but isn't the floating head team stronger too?

galactusischere
No.

Black bolt z
That comic doesn't seem to have very good graphics....

galactusischere
Ok...?

Black bolt z
Just saying

Colossus-Big C
Lord Chaos+Master Order>>>Galactus

galactusischere
^ no.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by galactusischere
^ no. yes smile

Inbetweener=Galactus (Galactus maybe be slighty more powerful)
but Inbetweener is like a mere child to these guys and they pwn him easily

galactusischere
No.

Eternity = Death = Infinity = Oblivion = Galactus >> MO = LC >= IB > Love & Hate

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by galactusischere
No.

Galactus >>> MO = LC >= IB NO.

LC+MO>>>>Galactus=Inbetweener yes

galactusischere
Yea if you're talking about a starving Galactus.

Mindset
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yes smile

Inbetweener=Galactus (Galactus maybe be slighty more powerful)
but Inbetweener is like a mere child to these guys and they pwn him easily Nope

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mindset
Nope Yes

Mindset
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Yes I'm glad you agree.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm glad you agree. I disagree

Mindset
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I disagree You don't want me to be glad?

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mindset
You don't want me to be glad? Be Mad

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by galactusischere
No.

Eternity = Death = Infinity = Oblivion = Galactus >> MO = LC >= IB > Love & Hate galactus and inbetweener are equals

galactus is the balance between Eternity and death
while inbetweener is the balance between LC and MO

Eternity/Death/Oblivion/Infinity>LC/MO>Inbetweener=Galactus
if you dont believe me ask Mr. Master

Mindset
It'll be hard to be mad with someone who agrees with me, but I'll try.

Black bolt z
Galactus and IB have fought,it was a stalemate then LC + MO intervened and pwned IB's ass

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Galactus and IB have fought,it was a stalemate then LC + MO intervened and pwned IB's ass so you agree with me right?

Mindset
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so you agree with me right? That Galactus is stronger than IB, yes.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mindset
That Galactus is stronger than IB, yes. im not talk to you

Mindset
BBZ is my other account.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by Mindset
BBZ is my other account. He's right.Mindset and I are one and the same.Meaning we sleep in the same bed.I'm like his shadow except i'm not black.Yes Galactus is stronger but only barley.

Black bolt z
Yes awkward but true

galactusischere
Secret Wars Galactus would have killed IB along with order and chaos. Same goes for the Galactus that fought Tyrant.

Mr Master
Abraxas ftw in a stomp!

That aside ...

Normal Galactus & In-Betweener are equals. (they fought on panel already)

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas ftw in a stomp!

That aside ...

Normal Galactus & In-Betweener are equals. (they fought on panel already) yes but LC+MO>>>>Galactus right?

galactusischere
BCA G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O and C
SW G >>>>>>>> O and C
Galactus that fought big T >> O and C

Galactus family > order and chaos family.
that simple.

thanos-prime
Abraxas

Colossus-Big C
galactus has is not a true abstract true abstracts have no form , they are mbodys, while galactus have a physical body, anyways normal galactus equals normal ib.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
galactus has is not a true abstract true abstracts have no form , they are mbodys, while galactus have a physical body, anyways normal galactus equals normal ib.

How did you come to that conclusion? Or was it stated before? I know Maelstrom said some shit but im not going to take his word.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
galactus has is not a true abstract true abstracts have no form , they are mbodys, while galactus have a physical body, anyways normal galactus equals normal ib.
Galactus' true form is...energy.

He takes whatever form is most familiar to the civilization he goes to.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Enyalus
Galactus' true form is...energy.

while abstracts have no "true form" whats so ever, thier just ideas/concepts

he may be as powerful as them though.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
while abstracts have no "true" form whats so ever, there just ideas/concepts

he may be as powerful as them though.
laughing out loud Abstracts have no true physical bodies. They have to get one made from the Dimension of Manifestations.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Enyalus
laughing out loud Abstracts have no true physical bodies. They have to get one made from the Dimension of Manifestations. this is what i said.....

galactus doesnt go to the dimension of manifestations, he has a true body...

galactusischere
Galactus according to an issue that I recently read and have no idea whether it's canon or not has no boundaries or dimensions at all.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
this is what i said.....
No. You said his true form is a physical body. It is not. His true form is energy. He appears in a physical body for the sake of those he visits, so they're better able to comprehend him.

Galactus is an abstract.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Enyalus
No. You said his true form is a physical body. It is not. His true form is energy. He appears in a physical body for the sake of those he visits, so they're better able to comprehend him.

Galactus is an abstract. abstracts are not even energy.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
abstracts are not even energy.
erm If they weren't energy, they'd have zero power.

Look at the Phoenix Force.

galactusischere
http://www.comicvine.com/anthropomorpho/29-59373/

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Enyalus
erm If they weren't energy, they'd have zero power.

Look at the Phoenix Force.
there not energy

eternity is the embodiment of life/space time, thats not energy
death is the embodiment of physical deat, still not energy
oblivion is the embodiment of pure nothingness, he still has power......

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by galactusischere
http://www.comicvine.com/anthropomorpho/29-59373/ he acts as a physical body for abstracts, unless he is the one who acts as galactus physical self then im right.

galactusischere
Infinity is space. Eternity is time.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he acts as a physical body for abstracts, unless he is the one who acts as galactus physical self then im right.

He doesn't "act" for them. He just creates M-Bodies for them.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by galactusischere
He doesn't "act" for them. He just creates M-Bodies for them. i thought he "IS" the physical body of them?

galactusischere
No.
"Anthropomorpho is The Prime Manifester of The Dimension of Manifestations, nearly every being in existence, primarily entities such as Eternity or The Living Tribunal, use his services constantly to create M-Bodies for themselves which allows them to be in many places and sometimes all places at once. Since he considers himself a neutral party he has opened services to everyone be they good or evil, it should be noted that he does not always appear in a physical form, most people don't even realize he is there when they enter The Dimension of Manifestations but whether you know it or not Anthropomorpho is always there for you."

Enyalus
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
there not energy

eternity is the embodiment of life/space time, thats not energy
death is the embodiment of physical deat, still not energy
oblivion is the embodiment of pure nothingness, he still has power......
Eternity contains all the energy/power throughout time, in the entire universe. Dr. Strange said so.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Enyalus
Eternity contains all the energy/power throughout time, in the entire universe. Dr. Strange said so.

pff, I really thought you knew better then to trust Doctor Strange Enyalus... can never trust a doctor...

Enyalus
Originally posted by Utrigita
pff, I really thought you knew better then to trust Doctor Strange Enyalus... can never trust a doctor...
But he performs surgery on teh universe!!! I only don't trust them when they tell me to turn my head and cough.

753
Originally posted by Enyalus
No. You said his true form is a physical body. It is not. His true form is energy. He appears in a physical body for the sake of those he visits, so they're better able to comprehend him.

Galactus is an abstract.

I think it's the microbes that interpret him as they want, he doesnt really care one way or the other.

Still chaos and order are above galactus, this may be somewhat difficult to prove with feats because they dont really do anything, but they should be on par with the other big abstracts as big chunks of reality.

Enyalus
Originally posted by 753
Still chaos and order are above galactus, this may be somewhat difficult to prove with feats because they dont really do anything, but they should be on par with the other big abstracts as big chunks of reality.
Yeah, unless it was retconned the explanation I was familiar with was that in their realm, Chaos and Order are the mystical universe's equivalent to Eternity and Death, while In-Betweener was their universe's equal of Galactus.


Still, Abraxas wins.

galactusischere
@ 753

Chaos and Order are the weakest abstracts after Love and hate. Galactus at his best would the most powerful.

Eternity and Infinity were the last to be absorbed by Thanos, Oblivion wasn't present and THOTI had no power over mistress death. IB, Chaos, Order, Galactus, etc were absorbed with less resistence.

753
Originally posted by galactusischere
@ 753

Chaos and Order are the weakest abstracts after Love and hate. Galactus at his best would the most powerful.

Eternity and Infinity were the last to be absorbed by Thanos, Oblivion wasn't present and THOTI had no power over mistress death.

Where are you getting that from?

Anyway, thotu had no power over death because thanos did not want to exercise any power over her, if he wanted her gone from the cosmos and eternity/infinity/eon preserved as a cancerverse like the one at the other end of the fault, that would happen in a heartbeat. He just had the hots for her.

Another explanation is that death and oblivion represent the absence of existence, so as thanos swallowed existance, they may have been left. It says nothing about power levels.

That art was just allegorical anyway, all the heroe floating in space etc

Galactus apparently has no upperlimit though, but in this thread we are talking about a normal level like the one that stalemated IB, not BCA. Even then, I have my doubts that multieternity, multichaos so on and so forth, couldn't have stopped BCA G if they actually went all out with an objective. They are just very passive, maybe because they know these things sort themselves out.

753
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Enyalus
BCA Galactus was augmented by Tiamut's tech, anyway, so you can't use that as a typical showing of 'peak Galactus.'

galactusischere
Originally posted by 753
Where are you getting that from?

Anyway, thotu had no power over death because thanos did not want to exercise any power over her, if he wanted her gone from the cosmos and eternity/infinity/eon preserved as a cancerverse like the one at the other end of the fault, that would happen in a heartbeat. He just had the hots for her.
Ok..


Their concept remained, while Chaos and Order's concept was destroyed/absorbed.




Galactus' brother, Eternity of 616 IS multi-eternity...

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,

I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the Universes"

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/721892/etpf1.jpg.html


and there is no "multi-chaos" or "multi-order" as far as I know.

kgkg
Originally posted by galactusischere
Galactus' brother, Eternity of 616 IS multi-eternity...
Who is the father?

galactusischere
Originally posted by Enyalus
BCA Galactus was augmented by Tiamut's tech, anyway, so you can't use that as a typical showing of 'peak Galactus.'

Galactus's power wasn't augmented. Tiamut only made Galactus' hunger go insatiable in future of the 616 universe.

galactusischere
Originally posted by kgkg
Who is the father?

IDK, the Infinity being perhaps? Though she would be their mother.

753
Originally posted by galactusischere
Ok..


Their concept remained, while Chaos and Order's concept was destroyed/absorbed.




Galactus' brother, Eternity of 616 IS multi-eternity...

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,

I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the Universes"

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/721892/etpf1.jpg.html


and there is no "multi-chaos" or "multi-order" as far as I know.

She 'survives' because he was hot for her, or as a mere illustration of the non-existance that remained: death/oblivion. If he wanted to, he could have done it the other way arround, removing death/oblivion and letting eternity/infinty rule unchallenged. LT was absorbed too, does that mean death is above LT?

Yes eternity is one and all, all the big abstracts are. They exist in every single conceivable reality that was, is or will be - x-men forever IIRC.

But when their avatars interact with people its usually the representation of a single universe not of the whole omniverse. If a universe is destroyed, then 'that particular eternity' is destroyed, but there are other universes. I believe the principle applies to all of them. The representations of chaos and order in the whole omniverse not just in 616, etc.

Enyalus
Originally posted by galactusischere
Galactus's power wasn't augmented. Tiamut only made Galactus' hunger go insatiable in future of the 616 universe.
As I said, Galactus was augmented by Celestial tech.

Mindset
He wasn't, though, altered is a better word.

Tiamut didn't make him stronger.

TheTyrant
^ what he said.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Mindset
He wasn't, though, altered is a better word.
Galactus' hunger was augmented by Celestial tech.

stick out tongue

Mindset
I'll augment your face.

Enyalus
You can't diminish perfection.

kgkg
Originally posted by galactusischere
IDK, the Infinity being perhaps? Though she would be their mother. We are not talking about blood relations are we?

Enyalus
Originally posted by galactusischere
IDK, the Infinity being perhaps? Though she would be their mother.
Galan was transformed into Galactus by the universe itself. So, Eternity's like his brother and his father, in a way.

Mindset
Incest.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Mindset
Incest.
Is best. Put your sister to the test.

Mindset
While you're fantasizing about your mothers chest.

kgkg
Originally posted by Enyalus
Is best. Put your sister to the test. laughing out loud

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Enyalus
Is best. Put your sister to the test. funniest thing ive ever heard here laughing out loud

Mr Master
Originally posted by Enyalus

Chaos and Order are the mystical universe's equivalent to Eternity and Death, while In-Betweener was their universe's equal of Galactus.

While normal Galactus and In-Betweener are equals,
Lord Chaos & Master Order are below Eternity/Infinity, in power and authority.
Originally posted by galactusischere

Chaos and Order are the weakest abstracts after Love and hate.
1. Abraxas
2. Eternity/Infinity/Entropy ... Oblivion/Death
3. Lord Chaos & Master Order
4. Mistress Love & Master Hate
5. Galactus/In-Betweener
6. Kronos/Epoch/Phoenix Force
Originally posted by Enyalus

THOTI had no power over mistress death.
Thanos wasn't concerned with the realm outside of space-time,
this is why Death survived,
everything within space-time was absorbed.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Mr Master
While normal Galactus and In-Betweener are equals,
Lord Chaos & Master Order are below Eternity/Infinity, in power and authority.
Yeah, I was going strictly off of what was suggested in the SS issue where Galactus and IB fight. I knew that at least powerwise, LC and MO were inferior.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos wasn't concerned with the realm outside of space-time,
this is why Death survived,
everything within space-time was absorbed.
Quick correction here, I didn't see that. lol

Y'know me. I'd never diss HOTU.

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