Originally posted by dvampire
It's was never shown in the manga that Freeza survived a the planet explosion, that was filler in the show. In his fight with Goku he even states that they both won't survived the explosion. When he returned in his cyborg form, he just states that he was stronger. They never tell how he survived but I'm going to assume that he use the last remaining strength to escape off the planet. When ever a DBZ character was faced with the planet being destroyed they died.
Ki doesn't = Retsu/spiritual pressure. They serve different purposes. DBZ ki doesn't allow them to see, hear, sense, or touch spiritual beings. The only thing that's similar is the fact that both universes use their energy to get stronger. And I fail to understand how messing up the environment by powering up has to do with fighting. Vegeta powered up and still got his arm broken by 18.
Raditz and Piccolo both died by lesser blasts that weren't mountain/Island destroying blasts. Raditz died by basically a piercing type ki blast and Piccolo died by a ki blast that was less than even mountain destruction. Obviously I've already stated that DBZ characters are more destructive with thier blasts but that doesn't mean that they couldn't be killed by lesser blasts or any other kinds of attacks (especially if it ki blasts wasn't the only thing shown to hurt them).
Goku in his fight with Freeza proved again that ki blasts isn't the only way to harm.
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Freeza used his ki to toss rocks at Goku, Goku responded by doding the attacks. Someone said that Goku and Freeza were punching each through Islands. Where in the manga was this shown? Because I've never seen that. They were only shown hitting each other back on the different Islands (never through it), in the water, and they'll get hit hard that their bodies would slid across the pavement, but not once did they hit each other through the Island.
Gohan was doding rocks from Goten (again none ki base).
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he was also shown dodging Dabura's sword attacks, fire breath, and stone spit.
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That (Freeza vs. Goku) fight doesn't prove that they're physically stronger than Bleach characters. The best strength feats in DBZ has already been accomplished by Bleach characters. Goku back on King Kai's planet struggled with 10x normal gravity.
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If we multiply his weight (I just assuming he's 6' and around 230lbs) times 10x gravity his carrying around a ton. Most Bleach characters in their shikai form can toss that around a 1 ton with little effort.
Later they started training at 100x gravity. Goku did it during the Freeza saga and Vegeta during the Buu saga.
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If we multiply Goku's weight times 100x normal gravity, that would mean they walk around with 11 tons, which again most Bleach characters accomplished that easily. Goku later was struggling with 40 tons in base form (10 tons on each limb, not 40 on each limb).
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He had to go ssj to handle that much weight. Bleach characters were tossing around hollow creatures that weighed around 40tons and more, and since Goku wasn't shown to carry around 40 tons (7 years later) until Buu saga, years later before the android saga, I think Trunks is physically stronger than Ichigo. Also, when Goku was blocking Trunks sword, he used ki around his hand to block the attacks.
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I don't think Trunks is stronger than Ichigo or his sword being hard as Ichigo's soul cutter. What feat has Trunks shown to be greater than Bleach characters? What has he cut with his sword that was was better than what Ichigo has shown cutting? He failed to cut through the androids, that were also machines.
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Trunks cut cyborg Freeza up, who had a metal like body, but Ichigo has been shown to cut through metal easily at the begining of Bleach. Now I don't know what type of metal Freeza or the Androids are, but Trunks cut Freeza with a earthly type of metal sword. The androids were able to take his strikes, but they are still metal and Trunks did have the strength to cut them.
Ichigo has been up against characters at the begining of Bleach shown to be able to not be cut by his soul cutter without using more of his (adding more retsu) strength, and he was already shown to cut down building size hollow.
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Kisuke cut hill like nothing and with just a little pressure cut through Ichigo's sould cutter. Obviously a an average metal weapon won't fare well against a soul cutter.
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Ken sliced a skyscraper with no strain at all.
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To say that Ichigo can't cut Trunks is biased, ichigo has shown way more dense objects than Trunks. Also I posted scans so people won't think that I'm lying and start accusing me of making things up. The facts are in the manga's. And to see the scans just copy and paste the link.
I can't believe how much of a newb you are.
I haven't laughed that hard since I saw Nemebro's dick.
Anyway, dude, we can't see what's on your local C drive sitting on your computer at home. To be more clear: your local drive on your computer, at home, would have to actually be a server and everyone is on the same LAN running active directory, and all of us would have to have to belong to the proper group in order to access the drive.
Sorry if me laughing at you hurt your feelings. You should laugh at yourself for doing that, too. We all make mistakes and are ignorant of SOMETHING out there.