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Namor has just had a quick soak in the water.

Who wins?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Namor has just had a quick soak in the water.

Who wins? Orion Soloes....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Orion Soloes.... stop that!

Originally posted by Black bolt z
stop that! ....Ok sadwalk

Namor should lose everytime

Namor wins. Fresh outta water he gets 7/10

SS

SS and quite easily.

Even if they were in water he'd probably win.

Super Skrull, imo.

Namor for the majority

beats me

Originally posted by rotiart
Namor wins. Fresh outta water he gets 7/10

How so? I'm just curious. The more I think about it the less chance I give Namor. Theres really nothing he can do here. Super Skrull has way to many options.

Namor wins because he already has........

If Namor keeps his mouth shut he should take the majority.

Superskrull has many variety of ways to win, but highly noted, is mind bubble.

SS should win

Originally posted by namorsubby
Namor wins because he already has........

pics or it didn't happen awesome

Namor is a beast. He took a predator x on solo while in the same issue it took rogue with the powers of numerous xmen. Magneto. Or an entire team of xmen including their 100 tonner colossus to take down the last one...

Super skrull despite his powers is still gonna fight with his normal fighting style... Which does not include a preemptive brain bubble.
Imperious Rex!
He's basically a 100 tonner fresh outta water
Namor is gonna having the durability, strength and fighting ability.

Actually he did use a brain bubble trick once.

Namor only took on a Predator solo very briefly and he didn't beat it or come close to it. Two dozen "of the finest Warriors Atlantis ever bred" arrived and helped him. One spear throw from one of the soliders did more damage then Namor did.

Yes, SS did do the brain trick in the Nova series during a Secret Invasion tie-in

Originally posted by namorsubby
Namor wins because he already has........

Super Skrull

Brain bubble ftw.

Invisibility, rubber form, brain bubbles and force fileds, fire, just as strong or damn close,,,,the Super Skrull rolls.

SS stomps.
Namor couldn't even put up a fight against jobberclypse

Superskrull for the comfortable win

SS has absorbed and liberated the equivalent energy of a star going nova and his shields have tanked an identical explosion. He has crushed a brain with his force field and manipulated it with very fine control. His pyrokinesis can heat up and dry out the air to dehydrate namor and he has anti-matter blasts. He's got the combined durabilties of thing and RR, a healing factor and skrull shapeshifting. He's also a class 100 with rubber reach and invisibilty ,and has used RR's powers (the most useles of them all) to cut platoons of soldiers to pieces by turning himself into superstrong barbed wire. Oh, he can also control the minds of others.

He will stomp Namor in the back of the head.

Can one of you unquestionably accurate comic book officianados please explain to Namor that he should not be wailing on SS, but should indeed commense to being "stomped in the back of the head" immediately? lol
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorTheSub-Mariner018-16.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorTheSub-Mariner018-17.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorTheSub-Mariner018-18.jpg


Thing Durability? Koing Thing's Strongest incarnation with one shot(I don't even have to prove he can overcome Reed Richard's Durability. I mean, seriously? lol):
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorAnn1-50NastyNat.jpg

Johnny Storm Flame? Well Toro Seems to believe Namor's skin in Fireproof.....and Jim Hammond(a stronger torch who goes way back with Namor) confirms it(also, it took 3 torches to take him down, by overheating his spinal fluid, not dehydrating or charring him to a crisp):
http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/?action=view&current=The_Torch_005_010.jpg

Invisibilty? well, if anyone was paying attention earlier, they wouldn't noticed that in one of the scans from his fight with SS, he was stated to have a radar sense that negates invisibility.

I would stick around to see and respond to the undoubtedly compelling arguments from the inevitable responses to my post(probably just declaring PIS), but......I climb mountains.....and I've got to climb a large one this afternoon....it'll take me all day....yeah, that's it.


that is all.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Superskrull for the comfortable win

*sighs, shruggs shoulders* Ah well........what can ya do? lol


carry on.

Originally posted by namorsubby
*sighs, shruggs shoulders* Ah well........what can ya do? lol


carry on. If SS didn't have mind bubble ability, Namor for comfortable win.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Can one of you unquestionably accurate comic book officianados please explain to Namor that he should not be wailing on SS, but should indeed commense to being "stomped in the back of the head" immediately? lol
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorTheSub-Mariner018-16.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorTheSub-Mariner018-17.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorTheSub-Mariner018-18.jpg


Thing Durability? Koing Thing's Strongest incarnation with one shot(I don't even have to prove he can overcome Reed Richard's Durability. I mean, seriously? lol):
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_NamorAnn1-50NastyNat.jpg

Johnny Storm Flame? Well Toro Seems to believe Namor's skin in Fireproof.....and Jim Hammond(a stronger torch who goes way back with Namor) confirms it(also, it took 3 torches to take him down, by overheating his spinal fluid, not dehydrating or charring him to a crisp):
http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/?action=view&current=The_Torch_005_010.jpg

Invisibilty? well, if anyone was paying attention earlier, they wouldn't noticed that in one of the scans from his fight with SS, he was stated to have a radar sense that negates invisibility.

I would stick around to see and respond to the undoubtedly compelling arguments from the inevitable responses to my post(probably just declaring PIS), but......I climb mountains.....and I've got to climb a large one this afternoon....it'll take me all day....yeah, that's it.


that is all.

That fight is PIS/very low showing for a CIS crippled SS. His current encarnation since the annihilation would wreck Namor.

The environmental effect of heat can accelerate namor's dehydration, it'll just take longer to put him down. If we area assuming namor could swim inside the sun, then it's reaonable to assume it would take a group of human torches going all out to put him down, but their higher end showings demonstrate otherwise. Any one of them could do it alone.

IW's power is enough to put him down for good, regardless of namor sensing his position and that of the force constructs. I also doubt Namor would punch through them in any reasonabe ammount of time.

SS has soaked far more damage than punches from Namor and has displayed creative use of RR and Thing's power in very effective ways.

1.Declaration of PIS-endence.......figured. and since when does SS have a conscious?

2.You heard it straight from the mouth of the original, more powerful torch......Namor's skin is fireproof.it was actually stated in one of the older handbooks. The explanation was that namor's skin is nigh-invulnerable to temp extremes as an adaptation to temp extremes underwater(ie, underwater volcanoes, artic water).SS only has johnny's firepower. You think SS can match the flame of 3 torches?(one of whom's power is superior to his)

3. I agree......IW's power seemed to work out great for him in their fight.....

4. Clarify this for me:

SS has Thing durability(or even slightly below) right? Now, Namor Koed an amped incarnation of Thing with One-shot, as shown in the scan, Right? So, How can SS withstand more than Namor can dish out? Also, RR's Durability is not even worth mentioning IMO. Even if SS can somehow combine the two, why does it matter?

5.If anything, I'd say Namor is getting more powerful(surviving Void sentry unscathed, 3 torches to KO, Besting his younger self, who took wonderman/Ares Simultaneuosly, etc)

Nobody told us this fight included the radar sense of the blind cave fish.

(My lord, whats next?)

Originally posted by namorsubby
SS only has johnny's firepower.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10e.jpg

He also has a hypnotic glare

Namor throws a table and wins

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.Declaration of PIS-endence.......figured. and since when does SS have a conscious?

2.You heard it straight from the mouth of the original, more powerful torch......Namor's skin is fireproof.it was actually stated in one of the older handbooks. The explanation was that namor's skin is nigh-invulnerable to temp extremes as an adaptation to temp extremes underwater(ie, underwater volcanoes, artic water).SS only has johnny's firepower. You think SS can match the flame of 3 torches?(one of whom's power is superior to his)

3. I agree......IW's power seemed to work out great for him in their fight.....

4. Clarify this for me:

SS has Thing durability(or even slightly below) right? Now, Namor Koed an amped incarnation of Thing with One-shot, as shown in the scan, Right? So, How can SS withstand more than Namor can dish out? Also, RR's Durability is not even worth mentioning IMO. Even if SS can somehow combine the two, why does it matter?

5.If anything, I'd say Namor is getting more powerful(surviving Void sentry unscathed, 3 torches to KO, Besting his younger self, who took wonderman/Ares Simultaneuosly, etc)

1 yeah it's pis and what is this about SS conscience?

2 take a look at their high end showings and you'll see the temperatures they can reach, did they even bother going nova on him? Even if his skin is absolutely heatproof and survives intact, wich is unlikely, any of them could cook him alive inside it. SS has assimilated and released a star worth of energy and fired mountain crushing anti-matter blasts

3 lots more of the good old pis and cis, sometimes the author also gives namor plot device electric powers (which he looses right after the fight) that somehow interfere with sue, although it has also been suggested by namor that it is her emotions that cripple her. With the SS's mentality, skrull physiology and no PIS, namor is done for. How long will it take him to punch through those shields? SS kills him with a thought.

4 The SS has soaked and pushed through more damage than punches like that on panel during annihilation conquest. And thing has better showings than that too. RR durability is significant, he can absorb lots of shock and impact, stretching instead of breaking.

5. sentry let him live and so did the torches

Can Super Skrull still use hypnosis or is that a long forgotten power?

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Can Super Skrull still use hypnosis or is that a long forgotten power?

can still do it

Namor wins this. People really do think his some pointy eared Aquaman on here. His basically a slightly stronger (At peak his stronger in my opinion. Nothing really noticeable though.), faster, more agile, more versatile version of Hercules who can fly and has better recuperative powers. Going strictly by high showings, Super Skrull could take the majority. His malleability and Susan Storm's powers would be the sole reason but it's not a sure thing or easy.

No matter how you look at it, Namor beating the Super Skrull in their only fight really hurts Kl'rt chances here.

Where is that Namor vs. Pineapple Thing incident from, Subby? That's a pretty damn uber showing for Namor. I haven't seen it in a while. I believe it is from an annual though.

Since battling Namor, Kl'rt's proficiency in using and combining his powers has become a lot more impressive. He's an entirely different character now, and far more dangerous.

He wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His basically a slightly stronger (At peak his stronger in my opinion. Nothing really noticeable though.), faster, more agile, more versatile version of Hercules who can fly and has better recuperative powers.

Namor admitted that Hercules is stronger already. Just saying.



Same here. When I saw that I said damn.

Originally posted by tkitna
Namor admitted that Hercules is stronger already. Just saying.

When? The closest incident I can think off is the time Hercules pushed through a beam underwater that Namor said he could not or something similar. I recall it vaguely and it's been a while so I'm hesitant as to whether this was what you were talking about.

In their first fight Hercules seemed to have the advantage on land but Namor had the advantage underwater. In the end though it seemed that they were equal when both are at full power. In another incident, Namor definitely had the strength edge against Hercules underwater.

In my opinion, Hercules would have the edge on land but Namor would have the edge underwater. Although I think Namor has the greater strength advantage underwater than Hercules has above land (If Namor is hydrated of course.).

Originally posted by tkitna
Same here. When I saw that I said damn.

Yea. I would have said "no" to even Thor, Superman or Hulk being able to do that unless they were high end. It's rather impressive.

i love namor but couldn't SS just blind him, or pop his brain?....

Originally posted by 753
1 yeah it's pis and what is this about SS conscience?

2 take a look at their high end showings and you'll see the temperatures they can reach, did they even bother going nova on him? Even if his skin is absolutely heatproof and survives intact, wich is unlikely, any of them could cook him alive inside it. SS has assimilated and released a star worth of energy and fired mountain crushing anti-matter blasts

3 lots more of the good old pis and cis, sometimes the author also gives namor plot device electric powers (which he looses right after the fight) that somehow interfere with sue, although it has also been suggested by namor that it is her emotions that cripple her. With the SS's mentality, skrull physiology and no PIS, namor is done for. How long will it take him to punch through those shields? SS kills him with a thought.

4 The SS has soaked and pushed through more damage than punches like that on panel during annihilation conquest. And thing has better showings than that too. RR durability is significant, he can absorb lots of shock and impact, stretching instead of breaking.

5. sentry let him live and so did the torches


1.Sure

2.Sure

3.Fine

4.Whatever

5. Yeah, his feats mean nothing.....

we done?


kidding.........agree to disagree



edit:

oh, and the Pineapple thing one-shot feat is from The Submariner Annual #1(1991)

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Since battling Namor, Kl'rt's proficiency in using and combining his powers has become a lot more impressive. He's an entirely different character now, and far more dangerous.

He wins. How so? Proof please.......

Originally posted by namorsubby
How so? Proof please.......

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t446514.html

So do you guys want me to just skim through the whole thing, or would you all mind posting the scans you feel pertains directly to whatever your specific argument for this match is? or in Smurph's Case, scans that emphasize "Kl'rt's proficiency in using and combining his powers", which I've heard has become a lot more impressive.lol

SS wrecks Namor.

Originally posted by namorsubby
How so? Proof please....... http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpg

He states there that he's learned to use his powers a lot more creatively than the FF. Modern Kl'rt is a different beast. He's recently used his flame powers to blind via incandescence, he's used bubble-in-brain tactics, he actually uses the shields and shapeshifting with some intelligence...

Kl'rt takes it.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpg

He states there that he's learned to use his powers a lot more creatively than the FF. Modern Kl'rt is a different beast. He's recently used his flame powers to blind via incandescence, he's used bubble-in-brain tactics, he actually uses the shields and shapeshifting with some intelligence... That scan is a one page origin that has him saying he uses his powers "more creatively" than the F4.

1. I'm pretty sure when he said "more creatively" he was implying that he uses the F4's powers to deadly effect, which they do not.(ie them showing him decapitating opponents)

2. How does that say to you that he has learned or improved upon anything ability-wise? If he's re-explaining his origin then shouldn't that mean he's been using his power "more creatively" than the F4 since the beginning? So again, how, since his fight with namor, has he imrpoved upon or honed his skill concerning the use of his powers?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpg

He states there that he's learned to use his powers a lot more creatively than the FF. Modern Kl'rt is a different beast. He's recently used his flame powers to blind via incandescence, he's used bubble-in-brain tactics, he actually uses the shields and shapeshifting with some intelligence...

creatively... is an word klrt is using to express the fact that klrt will and can use his powers to kill...

except this is against cannon fodder.. and when has he used those same techniques against first stringers... everyone has their "hand ninja" for which they show great prowess against throwaway characters.

Originally posted by namorsubby
How so? Proof please.......

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Uses his invisibility
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2448/shehulk013.th.jpghttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4339/shehulk014.th.jpg

Followed by a flame on attack that flash blinds her
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9501/shehulk015.th.jpghttp://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3901/shehulk019.th.jpghttp://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3840/shehulk020.th.jpg

She-Hulk reasons with Kl'rt instead.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5397/shehulk021.th.jpghttp://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5531/shehulk022.th.jpghttp://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8289/shehulk023.th.jpg

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Annihilation5-020.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When? The closest incident I can think off is the time Hercules pushed through a beam underwater that Namor said he could not or something similar. I recall it vaguely and it's been a while so I'm hesitant as to whether this was what you were talking about.


Yeah, I think thats it.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/308/herculesunderwater2eu.jpg

The fact that it was indeed underwater and Namor himself was humbled causes it to be a good feat in my eyes.

Originally posted by namorsubby
That scan is a one page origin that has him saying he uses his powers "more creatively" than the F4.
That wasn't an origin retelling. That was taking place during Annihilation. He describes himself in the following page (iirc) as having been fighting for far too long. Hardly characteristic of a origin story.

His feats of recent time show him using his powers with greater effectiveness, through said creativity. He doesn't just show them off one at a time while the narration boasts about how he has all the F4 powers before being taken out by the hero, like the old days. Now that he's a semi-protagonist, he's allowed to be effective. Which has been demonstrated.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, I think thats it.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/308/herculesunderwater2eu.jpg

The fact that it was indeed underwater and Namor himself was humbled causes it to be a good feat in my eyes. that was from 1960 something.....


since then namor has had far more recent displays of superior strength to herc underwater.He's stated he's stronger underwater several times since then, and even was shown manhandling Herc underwater......I believe I've posted the examples many times, as I've had this discussion with more than one poster.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
That wasn't an origin retelling. That was taking place during Annihilation. He describes himself in the following page (iirc) as having been fighting for far too long. Hardly characteristic of a origin story.

His feats of recent time show him using his powers with greater effectiveness, through said creativity. He doesn't just show them off one at a time while the narration boasts about how he has all the F4 powers before being taken out by the hero, like the old days. Now that he's a semi-protagonist, he's allowed to be effective. Which has been demonstrated.

So you're telling me just then that he wasn't explaining his origin? He told how he was created and what powers his creators gave him.

flash blinding with flame(which I'm sure johnny has done), and uses invisibility(which I'm 100% sue has done) are not examples of SS using his powers more effectively and in a more skilled way than back when he faced namor.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, I think thats it.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/308/herculesunderwater2eu.jpg

The fact that it was indeed underwater and Namor himself was humbled causes it to be a good feat in my eyes.

I always assumed that the footing had something to do with it. Maybe Hercules has better leg muscles? I don't know but it's been made evident at least in my opinion who is stronger underwater. Or you can take it even straight up and say that that instance proved Namor to be inferior to Hercules underwater more evidence stacks up on the opposite being true.

Since that issue with Herc from the silver age, Namor has been shown and stated himself as the stronger underwater

Namor manhandles Herc underwater(puts him in a headlock with one arm then locks in). He says, "On land, you and I are evenly matched, Son of Zues, But you are in my element now". Herc(who is unable to break namor's hold) responds "If thou art truly the strongest in the sea, then I shall bring the ground up to meet thee(attempting to undo namor's hold by shattering the earth below, causing him to lose his footing)
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Namor_The_Sub-Mariner_058_p13.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Namor_The_Sub-Mariner_058_p16.jpg

Namor claims He's stronger than Herc underwater(Incredible Hulk #107)
http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk107-013.jpg

Namor claims once more that he is stronger than Herc underwater(Incredibles Hercules #122)
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/IncredibleHercules122c.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
So you're telling me just then that he wasn't explaining his origin? That was his Annihilation intro.

He's been shown recently with greater proficiency over his powers.

Your attempt to claim that he's held that proficiency all along, while humorous, is completely baseless.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
That was his Annihilation intro.

He's been shown recently with greater proficiency over his powers.

Your attempt to claim that he's held that proficiency all along, while humorous, is completely baseless. lol, You haven't provided anything but you own words to suggest that SS has gained any greater level of proficiency over his powers than the day he came across the avenging son.

I was simply saying that since he was indeed narrating his own origin in the one irrelevant scan you provided, that he should've possessed greater creativity with his powers than the F4 from day one, but that's only assuming that he was actually using the term "more creatively" in the way you implied, which he wasn't at all. He simply used to term as a way of saying he uses the F4's powers to kill and they don't. That scan in no way, shape, or form implies he's gained any greater level of proficiency in his abilities over time, and especially not since his encounter with namor(Don't you think it'd be oddly specific if it did?)

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, You haven't provided anything but you own words to suggest that SS has gained any greater level of proficiency over his powers than the day he came across the avenging son.

I was simply saying that since he was indeed narrating his own origin in the one irrelevant scan you provided, that he should've possessed greater creativity with his powers than the F4 from day one, but that's only assuming that he was actually using the term "more creatively" in the way you implied, which he wasn't at all. He simply used to term as a way of saying he uses the F4's powers to kill and they don't. That scan in no way, shape, or form implies he's gained any greater level of proficiency in his abilities over time, and especially not since his encounter with namor(Don't you think it'd be oddly specific if it did?) I understand that your only recourse at this point is blatant belligerence, as well as what must be purposeful scan misinterpretation, so I'll just go ahead and assume that you've conceded the point if you just continue to ignore previous posts. srug

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I understand that your only recourse at this point is blatant belligerence, as well as what must be purposeful scan misinterpretation, so I'll just go ahead and assume that you've conceded the point if you just continue to ignore previous posts. srug

lol,please, stop it. Your grammar sounds very well-educated, yes, but that means nothing if what you're saying is absolute gibberish.lol


You know you've provided no evidence whatsoever to support your argument. The only thing that one useless scan proves and/or supports is that SS is willing to use his powers to kill, and the F4 aren't(I think we all knew that).It in no way implies that SS has learned or gained proficiency in the use of his powers over time.

Also, attempting to claim I'm simply in denial because you can't find any examples to directly support your cause is....well, childish.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Since battling Namor, Kl'rt's proficiency in using and combining his powers has become a lot more impressive. He's an entirely different character now, and far more dangerous.


here's your statement. I understand it just fine, probably because you simply keep repeating it one way or another, but you have yet to give anyone a reason to believe it. It could theoritically even be true, but you're not doing anything to prove so.

You could just do like many posters and simply leave a "SS stomps" or "SS FTW" without engaging in discussion. That'd be just fine and acceptable but this.....this is not the way to go.....not at all.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
Since that issue with Herc from the silver age, Namor has been shown and stated himself as the stronger underwater

Namor manhandles Herc underwater(puts him in a headlock with one arm then locks in). He says, "On land, you and I are evenly matched, Son of Zues, But you are in my element now". Herc(who is unable to break namor's hold) responds "If thou art truly the strongest in the sea, then I shall bring the ground up to meet thee(attempting to undo namor's hold by shattering the earth below, causing him to lose his footing)
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Namor_The_Sub-Mariner_058_p13.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Namor_The_Sub-Mariner_058_p16.jpg

Namor claims He's stronger than Herc underwater(Incredible Hulk #107)
http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk107-013.jpg

Namor claims once more that he is stronger than Herc underwater(Incredibles Hercules #122)
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/IncredibleHercules122c.jpg

I really couldnt care either way who's stronger, but your scans dont hold much clout in my opinion. You posted three scans of Namor boasting how strong he is, but none of them have Hercules agreeing. The first scan has Hercules being sarcastic while breaking Namors hold. The other two are Namor just running his mouth again. Hell, Hercules even stated in the third scan that he's beaten Namor already and Namor agreed.

Once again though, I dont care enough to go on about it and if you feel those scans equate to Namor being Hercules superior then thats fine by me.

Originally posted by tkitna
I really couldnt care either way who's stronger, but your scans dont hold much clout in my opinion. You posted three scans of Namor boasting how strong he is, but none of them have Hercules agreeing. The first scan has Hercules being sarcastic while breaking Namors hold. The other two are Namor just running his mouth again. Hell, Hercules even stated in the third scan that he's beaten Namor already and Namor agreed.

Once again though, I dont care enough to go on about it and if you feel those scans equate to Namor being Hercules superior then thats fine by me. So, Namor holding him in a chokehold he fails to escape while boasting that he's stronger means nothing? Also, Herc wasn't being sarcastic. It was simply his way of saying, "okay, you can hold me, so what? I've got other ways of getting loose" then he proceeds to break the ground namor stands on.It's impossible to be sure, but I basically saw that as Herc conceding to namor's claim. oh, and where did they depict Herc breaking Namor's hold?it still apparently didn't get him lose. Idk really, the next page is just enchantress putting everyone in a maelstrom. He wasn't freed of Namor's grip in any scan I posted though, I know that much.

that statement from herc 122 threw me for a loop........because all of namor and herc's depicted fights have been stalemates, even on land, and even the fight they were engaged in in that issue. Perplexing......

Originally posted by namorsubby
So, Namor holding him in a chokehold he fails to escape while boasting that he's stronger means nothing? Also, Herc wasn't being sarcastic. It was simply his way of saying, "okay, you can hold me, so what? I've got other ways of getting loose" then he proceeds to break the ground namor stands on. oh, and where did they depict Herc breaking Namor's hold?it still apparently didn't get him lose. Idk really, the next page is just enchantress putting everyone in a maelstrom. He wasn't freed of Namor's grip in any scan I posted though, I know that much.

Ok, thats cool. I took it as Herc saying something on the lines of 'If your so strong then why can I do this?', but maybe i'm reading into it wrong. No worries.



Off panel stuff no doubt. Anyways I would say its pretty damn close either way. Peace.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Also, attempting to claim I'm simply in denial because you can't find any examples to directly support your cause is....well, childish.
Nein. I gave you examples when you asked. The scan also shows him using powers with a greater degree of creativity than he showed previous to Annihilation, a standard that was kept and increased as the event progressed. The change in personality and proficiency has been maintained since (hence why we see Super Skrull using clever bubble-in-brain tactics post-Annihilation).

He also shows clever shield manipulation when trapping the escaping scientist/warden's ship. He combines Reed and Thing's powers in manners previously unseen, he uses Johnny's flames to go incandescent and blind (which he hadn't done before), and he uses his shields with a greater degree of intelligence- partial or total instant shield blocks for incoming fire, minor shields + flight to simulate Cannonball-style-attacks, etc. I'm just pulling from the top of my head, his recent history is chalk full of such examples.

His creative power meshing hadn't become an emphasized element of his character until around Annihilation, and continues to be emphasized since. He's become significantly more impressive, and would pose a greater threat to Namor (though really, he should have beat Namor before).

I'm assuming that, having already touched on this, and having seen you previously choose to ignore evidence blindly, this post will also be greeted with little in the way of refutation. Like I said, be that the case, I'll just interpret it as a concession that you have no logical argument that a meta-level brick can overcome Kl'rt.

Even without being dehydrated by flames, how does namor deal with an invisible class 100?
If you dont have a way to see invisible enemies and he's fighting even remotely smart the superskrull is pretty deadly.

Originally posted by khazra
Even without being dehydrated by flames, how does namor deal with an invisible class 100?
If you dont have a way to see invisible enemies and he's fighting even remotely smart the superskrull is pretty deadly.

not just invisible, he can stretch his body for more than a hundred miles and punch with the thing's strengh.

Originally posted by Nihilist
SS wrecks Namor.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Since that issue with Herc from the silver age, Namor has been shown and stated himself as the stronger underwater

Namor manhandles Herc underwater(puts him in a headlock with one arm then locks in). He says, "On land, you and I are evenly matched, Son of Zues, But you are in my element now". Herc(who is unable to break namor's hold) responds "If thou art truly the strongest in the sea, then I shall bring the ground up to meet thee(attempting to undo namor's hold by shattering the earth below, causing him to lose his footing)
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Namor_The_Sub-Mariner_058_p13.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Namor_The_Sub-Mariner_058_p16.jpg
Looks like Mortal Herc.
BTW, a choke hold is not proof of someone being stronger.

Namor wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Super Skrull wins.

What he said.

SS flash fries his eyes... pops his brain...

Hrm good arguments I change my vote
from 7 out of ten for namor...
To 6 out of ten for namor...

Let's take this another way
both ss and namor have taken on the ff an to my recollection it's namor that generally has the better showings not klrt...

So while klrt has some more recent higher showings against random noname aliens... Namor has the better track against the heavy hitters

Super skrull

Originally posted by namorsubby
So, Namor holding him in a chokehold he fails to escape while boasting that he's stronger means nothing? Also, Herc wasn't being sarcastic. It was simply his way of saying, "okay, you can hold me, so what? I've got other ways of getting loose" then he proceeds to break the ground namor stands on.It's impossible to be sure, but I basically saw that as Herc conceding to namor's claim. oh, and where did they depict Herc breaking Namor's hold?it still apparently didn't get him lose. Idk really, the next page is just enchantress putting everyone in a maelstrom. He wasn't freed of Namor's grip in any scan I posted though, I know that much.

that statement from herc 122 threw me for a loop........because all of namor and herc's depicted fights have been stalemates, even on land, and even the fight they were engaged in in that issue. Perplexing......

Okay, but he's not fighting Hercules. He is he going to hit an invisible opponent?

Super Skrull puts a force field around Namor and light the inside on fire. SS takes the majority.

Originally posted by rotiart
Hrm good arguments I change my vote
from 7 out of ten for namor...
To 6 out of ten for namor...

Let's take this another way
both ss and namor have taken on the ff an to my recollection it's namor that generally has the better showings not klrt...

So while klrt has some more recent higher showings against random noname aliens... Namor has the better track against the heavy hitters

but krlt is 'evil', alien and green while namor is an anti-hero. now that SS's role has been expanded and his character has received a more simpathetic portrayal, he can finally win something

Originally posted by khazra
Even without being dehydrated by flames, how does namor deal with an invisible class 100?

If you dont have a way to see invisible enemies and he's fighting even remotely smart the superskrull is pretty deadly. Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Okay, but he's not fighting Hercules. He is he going to hit an invisible opponent? He uses the radar sense of the blind cave fish.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He uses the radar sense of the blind cave fish.

Damn that trump card. Aquaman only wishes he could call upon the powers of the blind cave fish.

(Seriously, thats so stupid they even had to have a box within the panel explaining it)

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Nein. I gave you examples when you asked. The scan also shows him using powers with a greater degree of creativity than he showed previous to Annihilation, a standard that was kept and increased as the event progressed. The change in personality and proficiency has been maintained since (hence why we see Super Skrull using clever bubble-in-brain tactics post-Annihilation).

He also shows clever shield manipulation when trapping the escaping scientist/warden's ship. He combines Reed and Thing's powers in manners previously unseen, he uses Johnny's flames to go incandescent and blind (which he hadn't done before), and he uses his shields with a greater degree of intelligence- partial or total instant shield blocks for incoming fire, minor shields + flight to simulate Cannonball-style-attacks, etc. I'm just pulling from the top of my head, his recent history is chalk full of such examples.

His creative power meshing hadn't become an emphasized element of his character until around Annihilation, and continues to be emphasized since. He's become significantly more impressive, and would pose a greater threat to Namor (though really, he should have beat Namor before).

I'm assuming that, having already touched on this, and having seen you previously choose to ignore evidence blindly, this post will also be greeted with little in the way of refutation. Like I said, be that the case, I'll just interpret it as a concession that you have no logical argument that a meta-level brick can overcome Kl'rt. Okay, I heard "he shoud've beat namor before"(declaration of PIS-endence) and more details on how he's learned to use his powers more effeciently, simply written by you, with no examples or scans to support it.

I believe someone made a nice thread for you to use........demostrate for me something that shows the contrast skill-wise between when he fought namor and now. If he has been doing more impressive things with his powers since their encounter, just give me a reason to belive so(besides your own words). That's all I ask.

Also, are you still saying that in that scan SS was indeed using the term "more creatively" literally? Literallly, and not as an implication meant to say "I will kill, they won't"? I suppose that's just fine either way......

Originally posted by Blanket
Looks like Mortal Herc.
BTW, a choke hold is not proof of someone being stronger.


In that issue(Namor the Submariner #58), Herc ran up and suckered Namor along with the avengers....I believe herc, vision, thor(with his hammer), and entrantress all took a shot at him before he knew what was going on........namor still had the strength to snatch Herc up with one hand and keep him contained(he did not wish to fight)

then there are the other two examples of Namor simply stating his superior strength underwater......all three of these examples are much, much more recent than that silver age scan, but if they are all somehow insufficient, how about this?:

Avengers V1 #40:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Avengers04018.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Avengers04019.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_Avengers04020.jpg

Herc shows Namor up on land, overpowering him and tossing him to the ground(Namor's obviously losing strength though from being on land, as he mentions so). So Namor decides to use the cosmic cube to evelope them both in water.......Namor quickly proceeds to manhandle herc, grabbing either an arm or his head(can't tell) and a leg and bending him. Herc apparently even starts to lose stamina fighting against namor's hold(check text). Anyway, Namor decides it's not fair to use the cube and returns them to dry land.When properly hydrated, Namor and Herc stalemate on land(wasp even says "neither can defeat the other)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He uses the radar sense of the blind cave fish.

these fish powers of his are inconsistant though, he used to have a thousand of them, now they come and go and he forgets most all the time

SS

Originally posted by 753
these fish powers of his are inconsistant though, he used to have a thousand of them, now they come and go and he forgets most all the time Namor seldom even utilizes flight in battle. He's a brawler, but he's smart enough to know when he has to expand his formmidability with others parts of his arsenal in order to stand a chance.

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