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This battle is a real big one as from what i have read this tyrant was almost as powerful as galactus but we all know that the full force of the phoenix force as the white crown phoenix is able to defeat even a fully fed galactus.

Originally posted by marius1982
This battle is a real big one as from what i have read this tyrant was almost as powerful as galactus
Galactus was more powerful.


No, well know that Galactus > any Phoenix.



Phoenix wins this thread.

Absolutely false because we all know that watcher even eternity said that she could kill them all if she wanted as she doesn't need them to exist whereas they do.

Phoenix is said to be only below the above all and the the living tribunal.

No.

Eternity has never directly spoken to Phoenix as far as I know.

And there are sooo many people more powerful than Phoenix in marvel. Goblin Force for instance.

Originally posted by marius1982
Phoenix is said to be only below the above all and the the living tribunal.

What?

Originally posted by marius1982
Absolutely false because we all know that watcher even eternity said that she could kill them all if she wanted as she doesn't need them to exist whereas they do.

Phoenix is said to be only below the above all and the the living tribunal.


And hotu.


Although, this is spite... Especially if you already knew that she was more powerful.

MJJ, Jamie Braddock, Abraxas, Goblin Force, Oblivion, Infinity, Death, Eternity, Beyonder, Molecule Man, Alien Entity, Infinity Being, Sise-Neg, Zom, and HoM Scarlet Witch are all more powerful than Phoenix.

There are quite alot more, but I can't think of anybody else right now.

Originally posted by galactusischere

No, well know that Galactus > any Phoenix.


I don think this is true. G at his average isnt above her and even bca G hasnt done and wouldnt do anything that isnt in phoenixforce's cosmic destiny to do eventually. She will devour the omniverse and give birth to a new one.

Originally posted by 753
I don think this is true. G at his average isnt above her and even bca G hasnt done and wouldnt do anything that isnt in phoenixforce's cosmic destiny to do eventually. She will devour the omniverse and give birth to a new one.

Galactus in BCA(FF 337-339) was going to eat THAT universe and everything beyond. Phoenix doesn't have feats that can compete with that.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Galactus in BCA(FF 337-339) was going to eat THAT universe and everything beyond. Phoenix doesn't have feats that can compete with that.

According to x-men forever, she is going to eat the omniverse sooner or later. white phoenix jean held a universe in her hands and she was just one of infinite avatars of the force as it exists in every reality.

No that feat isn't legit. It was already addressed to by Mr Master.

And according to the last galactus story, it would be Galactus that destroys and recreates the marvel omniverse.

Originally posted by galactusischere
No that feat isn't legit. It was already addressed to by Mr Master.

And according to the last galactus story, it would be Galactus that destroys and recreates the marvel omniverse.

how so?

I suppose there is more than one possible way for the omniverse to be consumed and recreated into another encarnation, entropy is another candidate, but the cosmology of x-men forever states it is the phoenix's role in the universe

She is the one that gave birth to all as she is the one that created the big bang and galactus wasn't going to survive in the other world so he is indeed alive because of her.

Galactus need the nullifier to do a lot of his damages whereas phoenix is the most resourceful being in the marvel along with the living tribunal and the above all.

Hold on, let me see what I can do.

Originally posted by 753
how so?

I suppose there is more than one possible way for the omniverse to be consumed and recreated into another encarnation, entropy is another candidate, but the cosmology of x-men forever states it is the phoenix's role in the universe
Don't question Mr Master...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix is a bug next to Eternity.

And Jean never held an entire Universe in her hands either.

Jean held the visualization of a Universe in her hands,
this is why she was able to flare up her flame within said visualization
with out damaging said visualized reality.

On the other hand,
the Phoenix Force can destroy an alternate reality,
which is an infinitesimal fraction of Eternity.
Unfortunately the Phoenix Force's durability is next to pultry.


Originally posted by marius1982
She is the one that gave birth to all as she is the one that created the big bang and galactus wasn't going to survive in the other world so he is indeed alive because of her.

Galactus need the nullifier to do a lot of his damages whereas phoenix is the most resourceful being in the marvel along with the living tribunal and the above all.

Galactus wasn't created by Phoenix...

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http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3084/69384702.th.jpg
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Galactus eats Phoenix.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Don't question Mr Master...





Galactus wasn't created by Phoenix...

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8268/68406393.th.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3084/69384702.th.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9254/88143606.th.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8759/42532854.th.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/157/40874068.th.jpg

Galactus eats Phoenix.

To me that proves our point more than it does yours.

Originally posted by 753
To me that proves our point more than it does yours.

How so? marius was claiming that Phoenix created Galactus/big bang, which clearly isn't true according to those scans that I posted.

You were claiming that Jean held an entire universe in her hands while she was in the white hot room, which was also proven wrong.

Originally posted by galactusischere
How so? marius was claiming that Phoenix created Galactus/big bang, which clearly isn't true according to those scans that I posted.

You were claiming that Jean held an entire universe in her hands while she was in the white hot room, which was also proven wrong.

Wasn't she the phoenix force behind the resetting of the universe? Galactus was incubated and transformed into what he is, while the cosmos itself was likewise generated befor exploding in the bigbang. If I'm not mistaken, it is within the phoenix that hese things happen, but I dont recall for sure.

The thing about her holding a universe or its visual representation is up for interpreation, seen as she was outside of spacetime in the mikran I think she really did hold the 616 reality.

WPOTC

Tyrant loses here

Originally posted by 753
Wasn't she the phoenix force behind the resetting of the universe? Galactus was incubated and transformed into what he is, while the cosmos itself was likewise generated befor exploding in the bigbang. If I'm not mistaken, it is within the phoenix that hese things happen, but I dont recall for sure.
Nah, unless you have undisputable proof of Phoenix being the force behind the big bang.



I doubt it.