Xel'lotath vs Sheogorath

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LLLLLink
This is MADNESS!

Win, lose or draw?

FinalAnswer
Sheogorath is a cosmic warping god, is he not?

General Kaliero
Xel'lotath wins so unbelievably hard. Sheogorath's head explodes and she just laughs.

LLLLLink
Yeah, but this is MADNESS.

FinalAnswer
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Xel'lotath wins so unbelievably hard. Sheogorath's head explodes and she just laughs.

I have seen nothing impressive from Xel'lotath.

General Kaliero
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I have seen nothing impressive from Xel'lotath.
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FinalAnswer
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And Sheogorath can apparently warp the cosmos. That > That vid.

ScreamPaste
Losing to Chattur'Gha doesn't discredit Xel' at all. Chattur'Gha is crazy powerful.

Besides, the game is specificly set up to go:

Xel' > Ulyaoth > Chat' > Xel'

FinalAnswer
Know that =l

ScreamPaste
So, losing to paper doesn't make rock any less .. rock. no expression

FinalAnswer
Rock losing to paper is the biggest amount of PIS ever

LLLLLink
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Rock losing to paper is the biggest amount of PIS ever

Rock punches a hole through paper.

NemeBro
Yeah, not seeing anything really impressive here. no expression

Sheogorath has pulled a moon from space and sent it crashing on Vivec, if it were not for Vivec, who stopped it, the city would be destroyed. Actually, fun fact, when Vivec lost his power, said moon came crashing down once more and destroyed the city of Vivec and even caused Red Mountain to erupt.

Sheogorath has, as you know, created a pocket dimension the size of a small country, at least, that is how it seems, yet if I recall right the dimension is filled with its own stars and sky, anyone who enters the Shivering Isles seems to be driven mad as well.

Also, did Sheogorath not once drive an entire country insane upon a whim?

General Kaliero
For Xel'lotath, pulling down a moon is completely negligible.

She manipulates time and space on a whim, not just the population of a country.

For most of the game, she inhabits a reality composed entirely for herself, and it takes thousands of years for multiple individuals to gather the tools to summon a different cosmic Ancient to stop her, because no mortal had any ability to do so at all. Like many of Lovecraft's entities, simply seeing Xel'lotath's form is enough to drive men mad.

Sheogoroth is outclassed.

NemeBro
Originally posted by General Kaliero
For Xel'lotath, pulling down a moon is completely negligible.

She manipulates time and space on a whim, not just the population of a country.

For most of the game, she inhabits a reality composed entirely for herself, and it takes thousands of years for multiple individuals to gather the tools to summon a different cosmic Ancient to stop her, because no mortal had any ability to do so at all. Like many of Lovecraft's entities, simply seeing Xel'lotath's form is enough to drive men mad.

Sheogoroth is outclassed. Uh-huh... So did the Aedra. They literally created the universe. The Daedric Princes are just as powerful, with the probably exception of Akatosh. Sheogorath, hell, every Daedric Prince, can create their own reality, Sheogorath's comprises of the Shivering Isles and seemingly other stars. Not one Daedric Prince has been bested by a mortal while it was at its full power, Hircine was just an aspect, noting it will be no challenge if he fought him at full strength (He was fighting the Nerevarine, you know, the guy who took out Dagoth Ur, who was more powerful than the entire Tribunal combined while they were in their prime).

Lovecraft's many entities are often overrated to be perfectly honest. Sheogorath drives you mad when you step into his plane of Oblivion, you do not even need to be in his presence.

Seriously, what has she done? Give me more than just that she can warp time/space, any Daedra or Aedra worth their salt can do that, feats nucka.

XanatosForever
Originally posted by NemeBro
Uh-huh... So did the Aedra. They literally created the universe. The Daedric Princes are just as powerful, with the probably exception of Akatosh. Sheogorath, hell, every Daedric Prince, can create their own reality, Sheogorath's comprises of the Shivering Isles and seemingly other stars. Not one Daedric Prince has been bested by a mortal while it was at its full power, Hircine was just an aspect, noting it will be no challenge if he fought him at full strength (He was fighting the Nerevarine, you know, the guy who took out Dagoth Ur, who was more powerful than the entire Tribunal combined while they were in their prime).


That's nice. No Ancient has been bested by a mortal while at full power, either. Any that would have tried would have ended up gibbering mad or with their heads asploded. A Guardian aspect, almost like a lesser avatar, of Xel'lotath casually popped the head of a mortal who had stumbled upon the lair it was protecting.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Lovecraft's many entities are often overrated to be perfectly honest. Sheogorath drives you mad when you step into his plane of Oblivion, you do not even need to be in his presence.

Xel'lotath does this same thing, only her madness affects the world outside her dimension. People don't need to go to her to be consumed by madness, they just need to go about their daily lives. smile

Originally posted by NemeBro
Seriously, what has she done? Give me more than just that she can warp time/space, any Daedra or Aedra worth their salt can do that, feats nucka.

Converted a hardened Roman Legionnare into a lich of unspeakable mental powers with a simple touch from an artifact containing her essence, a portion of her own unique energy.

Planned the assassination of Charlemagne the Frank, even so far as to have a backup plan when the original failed (have him look at a cursed scroll that would blast him with eldritch power and make him fester alive).

As was shown via the video earlier, defeated the Omniscient Ancient of Magic, Ulyaoth. His intelligence was not match for her psychosis, and she drove him into insanity before destroying him.

That's a few of them. I'm about to get some grub, and I'm too lazy to continue typing, so there. stick out tongue

NemeBro
Originally posted by XanatosForever
That's nice. No Ancient has been bested by a mortal while at full power, either. Any that would have tried would have ended up gibbering mad or with their heads asploded. A Guardian aspect, almost like a lesser avatar, of Xel'lotath casually popped the head of a mortal who had stumbled upon the lair it was protecting.



Xel'lotath does this same thing, only her madness affects the world outside her dimension. People don't need to go to her to be consumed by madness, they just need to go about their daily lives. smile



Converted a hardened Roman Legionnare into a lich of unspeakable mental powers with a simple touch from an artifact containing her essence, a portion of her own unique energy.

Planned the assassination of Charlemagne the Frank, even so far as to have a backup plan when the original failed (have him look at a cursed scroll that would blast him with eldritch power and make him fester alive).

As was shown via the video earlier, defeated the Omniscient Ancient of Magic, Ulyaoth. His intelligence was not match for her psychosis, and she drove him into insanity before destroying him.

That's a few of them. I'm about to get some grub, and I'm too lazy to continue typing, so there. stick out tongue 1. Wow, that's so interesting. And absolutely none of it points to Xel being as powerful as an Aedra or Daedra. Attack Sheogorath in Oblivion. You end up thousands of feet in the air, falling into a pit of spikes. An avatar of Mehrunes Dagon destroyed the city of Mournhold and required Sotha Sil and Almalexia of the Tribunal to stop him, a single one of the Tribunal has flooded continents and stopped the descent of crashing cataclysmic moons with a gesture.

2. The only thing that keeps the Daedra from wrecking havoc upon the world is the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Aedra. And even then, the Daedric Princes can affect the world in various ways, Sheogorath in particular would often inspire the Dunmer of Morrowind with madness to make them fight amongst eachother, for lulz I assume.

3. Lorkhan, who was either an Aedra or Daedra, can remember, had his heart severed. The Heart of Lorkhan was able to empower the Tribunal with immense, seemingly godlike power, Vivec has flooded countries as I have said, and Dagoth Ur, who also had the power of the Heart, was stronger than all three combined.

4. Kay, that's cool. Has no bearing in a fight, but pretty kewl. Sheogorath managed to not only mastermind a plan to stop his plane of Oblivion from being destroyed, but was able to return to his original form of Jyggalag and pass the mantle of Sheogorath onto another.

5. I am gonna call hyperbole on this. erm Because an omniscient being is not capable of having their mind altered, they know all. Not like driving Sheogorath mad would do anything... That would be rather redundant, would it not?

LLLLLink
Wasn't Jyggalag one of the most powerful deadric princes? Isn't the reason why all of the other deadric princes joined up and split Sheogorath from Jyggalag because he was offending them with his orderly ways or something?

NemeBro
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Wasn't Jyggalag one of the most powerful deadric princes? Isn't the reason why all of the other deadric princes joined up and split Sheogorath from Jyggalag because he was offending them with his orderly ways or something? Jyggalag was indeed growing too powerful for the other Daedric Prince's likings, so he was turned into the thing he hated most. Although it should be noted it is not elaborated on what they meant by too powerful, it is possible they meant he exerted too much influence over Mundus, it was too "orderly."

LLLLLink
Also, Jyggalag knows exactly what actions a being will take thanks to the Formula of Jyggalag.

"The great library was the height of logic and deduction. Contained within its walls were the logical prediction of every action ever taken by any creature, mortal or Daedric. Every birth. Every death. The rise of Tiber Septim. The Numidium. Everything. All predicted with the formulae found within Jyggalag's library. When Sheogorath discovered the library he had it burned, insisting that it was an abomination and that personal choice defied logical prediction. I am all that remains of the knowledge contained within the great library of Jyggalag." - Dyus

NemeBro
Said library is destroyed, and this is Sheogorath, not Jyggalag. Jyggalag is a being of absolute logic and order, Sheogorath is one of insanity and freedom I guess you could say.

LLLLLink
The library, yes, but Dyus has the formula and therefore preserves the knowledge. Plus, he exists in Sheogorath's realm as Sheogorath's property.

NemeBro
Sheogorath would never use him though.

He viewed the library as an abomination for a reason, and denied its powah.

LLLLLink
Just saying.

Side note: The formula does not apply to the Champion of Cyrodiil; his actions defy the formula.

NemeBro
Well that is kinda what Sheogorath was saying, personal choice overrides logic.

LLLLLink
I love that damn game...

NemeBro
Due to recent discussions here I recently made a new file. no expression

Always play as a Nord.

ScreamPaste
Originally posted by NemeBro
Due to recent discussions here I recently made a new file. no expression

Always play as a Nord. Dark Elf > Nord

NemeBro
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dark Elf > Nord Incorrect.

Of all the attributes in the game, the two most important (The ones which should be maxed first) are Endurance and Luck.

The Nord has Endurance in spades. The Dunmer has a resistance to fire, but that Nord also has a resistance to Frost, and the Ancester Ghost power is nothing special.

And I can guarantee that my character is more powerful than your's, because my character is literally as powerful as you can get excluding mods, and even WITH mods, my character is still probably able to better survive.

Phanteros
Nords are awesome.

NemeBro
Indeed they are.

Nords are Vikings. Everybody loves Vikings.

Phanteros
They are the easily the most accessible race in Elder Scrolls. Better than High Elves that die too quickly and more tougher than Imperials.

ScreamPaste
Nords are merely second best. Their primary source of awesome comes from being Vikings. Dunmer make good assassin characters, and thus, are moar win.

Nemesis X
I'm starting to think that Sheogorath is a being not to be messed with. I just whacked him with one of my swords and he froze me. After that, I got teleported to the skies. I was up so high, I saw everyplace on the Shivering Isles and next thing I knew, I fell down hard and died a horrible death. Word of advice: Don't piss off Sheogorath.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nords are merely second best. Their primary source of awesome comes from being Vikings. Dunmer make good assassin characters, and thus, are moar win. My Nord is a combat, magic, and stealth based character. no expression

If you know what you are doing it is not hard to play as anything, Nords are just one of the better choices in the game.

Phanteros
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nords are merely second best. Their primary source of awesome comes from being Vikings. Dunmer make good assassin characters, and thus, are moar win. So is an Nord. My Nord can sneak in heavy armor and has some of the most deadliest magic in the game. They have more health than Dunmers and are the most durable ones. Bretons are the second best for me.

Phanteros
Originally posted by Nemesis X
I'm starting to think that Sheogorath is a being not to be messed with. I just whacked him with one of my swords and he froze me. After that, I got teleported to the skies. I was up so high, I saw everyplace on the Shivering Isles and next thing I knew, I fell down hard and died a horrible death. Word of advice: Don't piss off Sheogorath. I tried that and almost escape.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by Phanteros
I tried that and almost escape.

How did you almost escape? It only took one second for Sheogorath to freeze me after I attacked him.

Phanteros
Originally posted by Nemesis X
How did you almost escape? It only took one second for Sheogorath to freeze me after I attacked him. The game glitched on me and thus allowing me to at least run from him.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by Phanteros
The game glitched on me and thus allowing me to at least run from him.

It would seem that glitces >>> Daedric prince powers

That would be funny actually.

NemeBro
It would have to be a glitch, that is a scripted event.

LLLLLink
All of you are full of sh*t. The Breton is by far the best class. Here's why:



Bretons are the only class in the game game that can become completely invincible. They start off with a 50% resistance to magic that the other classes do not get. Once you obtain the Mundane Ring (50% resist magic; 35% reflect magic) from Mankar Camoran's son (or a random deadra) then your Breton is invincible to ALL magic. From there, you can assemble armor with the "Shield" attribute until you get 100%, but any character can do that.

Darkstorm Zero
Specialised powers negate magical defences, such as the Minotaurs headbutt, And enchanted weaponry plows through magical defences as well as shield spells as well, You'd need not only shield and magical resistances, but also every elemental shield and reflect spells as well for complete immunity, and to top it off, it does nothing to enviro damage like bonfires and guilotines.

Invincible my foot, sturdier than your average mortal mook sure, but unkillable? certainly not.

NemeBro
And they are not even the only ones who can do it. no expression

My best Nord file has 100% Damage Reflection and 100% Spell Absorption, and if anything DOES bypass those defenses, who ****ing cares, I'm a friggin Nord son!

LLLLLink
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Specialised powers negate magical defences, such as the Minotaurs headbutt, And enchanted weaponry plows through magical defences as well as shield spells as well, You'd need not only shield and magical resistances, but also every elemental shield and reflect spells as well for complete immunity, and to top it off, it does nothing to enviro damage like bonfires and guilotines.

Invincible my foot, sturdier than your average mortal mook sure, but unkillable? certainly not.

This is wrong, I'm afraid. Enchanted weapons and spells like "Dispel are all negated. I know, I do it all the time.

Resist Magic 100% + Shield 100% = perfect immunity. The only way to get damaged with this stuff equipped is from a long fall or punching Sheogorath.

What equipment do you have on your perfect Nord to get those abilities, NemeBro?

NemeBro
Originally posted by LLLLLink
This is wrong, I'm afraid. Enchanted weapons and spells like "Dispel are all negated. I know, I do it all the time.

Resist Magic 100% + Shield 100% = perfect immunity. The only way to get damaged with this stuff equipped is from a long fall or punching Sheogorath.

What equipment do you have on your perfect Nord to get those abilities, NemeBro? Well to start I give him the Atronach birthsign, to start off the magick immunity.

I then enchant two pieces of equipment with 15% spell absorption each via Sigil Stones, giving me a total of 80% Spell Absorption. I can then equip a set of Greaves called Magebane Greaves for the remaining 20, and if I cannot find those I will just need to enchant like two moar items or so. Magick immunity, and immunity that replenishes my magicka at that.

To get my physical immunity, I get the Escutcheon of Chorrol, Necklace of Swords, and the Ring of the Iron Fist to give me 101% Reflect Damage, I am immune to damage and kill my opponents without even attacking.

So yeah.

LLLLLink
You kinda copied my tactic, lol. Cheers.

NemeBro
Nah.

Copied it straight from the Elder Scrolls wiki actually. no expression

LLLLLink
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah.

Copied it straight from the Elder Scrolls wiki actually. no expression

Aw. I ballered up and discovered the way myself.

NemeBro
I did however make my sword by myself, only to discover the wiki had how to make it to. no expression

LLLLLink
Which house do you usually use to store you stuff?

NemeBro
Dun't need to store my shit generally.

But when I do, I generally store it in the house you can buy in the Waterfront, or in the free one in Anvil.

LLLLLink
Originally posted by NemeBro
Dun't need to store my shit generally.

But when I do, I generally store it in the house you can buy in the Waterfront, or in the free one in Anvil.

The one in Anvil costs 5000G.

I keep every piece of magic equipment I find (even multiples), as well as any items there are only one of in the game (i.e. the Fork of Horripilation, Mothers head, Arnora's Amulet, etc.)

NemeBro
Originally posted by LLLLLink
The one in Anvil costs 5000G.

I keep every piece of magic equipment I find (even multiples), as well as any items there are only one of in the game (i.e. the Fork of Horripilation, Mothers head, Arnora's Amulet, etc.) Oh yeah, I guess you do have to pay the ******* at the start of the quest.

LLLLLink
Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh yeah, I guess you do have to pay the ******* at the start of the quest.

Yeah, the dingleberry tries to pawn it off on you and skip town.

Utrigita
Originally posted by NemeBro
Incorrect.

Of all the attributes in the game, the two most important (The ones which should be maxed first) are Endurance and Luck.

The Nord has Endurance in spades. The Dunmer has a resistance to fire, but that Nord also has a resistance to Frost, and the Ancester Ghost power is nothing special.

And I can guarantee that my character is more powerful than your's, because my character is literally as powerful as you can get excluding mods, and even WITH mods, my character is still probably able to better survive.

Dark Elf are according to the lore very good battlemages also the Tribunal was Dumner not Nord theirfore Dumner > Nord 131

p.s. my character will kill you character and with mods absolutely destroy him, Midas Magic and Overlord Armor for the win.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Utrigita
Dark Elf are according to the lore very good battlemages also the Tribunal was Dumner not Nord theirfore Dumner > Nord

p.s. my character will kill you character and with mods absolutely destroy him, Midas Magic and Overlord Armor for the win.

1. It took both the Dunmer and the Dwemer races combined to quell the Nord invasion of Morrowind. Militarily, the Nords are far superior despite their relative lack of magical talent, their naturally powerful physiques and love of battle made these two former enemies unite, led by Dumac Dwarfking and Indoril Nerevar, whom as you may recall was able to stalemate a divined Dagoth Ur. Also, to be technical, the Tribunal were not Dunmer, they were Chimer. 131

Also, my Nord kicked their and Dagoth Ur's ass, and do not forget that Vivec practically bent over for the Empire, to be honest the Imperials are the only true dominant race in the world (Although due to events in Oblivion and based on some info on the next game, that has likely changed).

You could make an argument that there are Dunmer individuals possessing greater power than any one Nord seen, in particular the ancient and powerful magicians of Telvanni, Divayth Fyr in particular (Though I think he may be dead, which is really craptastic).

Nah. Unless there is a mod to get past 100% spell absorption and reflect damage, it is quite literally impossible. The power of your spells is irrelevant, it will only fuel my own Magicka, and the strength of your blows will only be repelled back to you.

FinalAnswer
EDIT: Nvm, page screwed up for a sec

NemeBro
Actually I fixed it.

For some reason Ult's "131" emote ****ed up the quote.

Utrigita
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. It took both the Dunmer and the Dwemer races combined to quell the Nord invasion of Morrowind. Militarily, the Nords are far superior despite their relative lack of magical talent, their naturally powerful physiques and love of battle made these two former enemies unite, led by Dumac Dwarfking and Indoril Nerevar, whom as you may recall was able to stalemate a divined Dagoth Ur. Also, to be technical, the Tribunal were not Dunmer, they were Chimer. 131

Also, my Nord kicked their and Dagoth Ur's ass, and do not forget that Vivec practically bent over for the Empire, to be honest the Imperials are the only true dominant race in the world (Although due to events in Oblivion and based on some info on the next game, that has likely changed).

You could make an argument that there are Dunmer individuals possessing greater power than any one Nord seen, in particular the ancient and powerful magicians of Telvanni, Divayth Fyr in particular (Though I think he may be dead, which is really craptastic).

Nah. Unless there is a mod to get past 100% spell absorption and reflect damage, it is quite literally impossible. The power of your spells is irrelevant, it will only fuel my own Magicka, and the strength of your blows will only be repelled back to you.

As the last surviving dwarf clearly showed that the Dwermer is something strongly alike to the Dumner. They was cursed into Dumner by Azura so I'll call the Tribunal Dumner if you don't mind stick out tongue

Also it should be mentioned that Vivec (along with the rest of the Tribunal) had at that point of time lost his connection with the heart and could no longer because of Dagoth Ur presence refill his godly powers. So Imperial > Nord? I have a strong feeling that somehow the alliance between the eigth (that became nine when Tiber Septim became a God) and the Imperials had alot to do with their success.

It's very easy to make that argument, and Divayth Fyr is still alive and well, he is essential to the questline and if you kill him or he dies in some fashion the quest is over.

It's a mod that amongst other things have spells that are undefendable and a spell that (if I could get it to work) will literally oneshot you, resistance, absorb etc won't help you, because the spell removes you from the plane of existance and dumps you somewhere between the dimensions, killing you in the process. So.. come get some :P

On another note you wouldn't be alot better of yourself wink but I bet we can use a year to bet on each other stick out tongue

edit no idea why it added 131 in the last csm string

NemeBro
Originally posted by Utrigita
As the last surviving dwarf clearly showed that the Dwermer is something strongly alike to the Dumner. They was cursed into Dumner by Azura so I'll call the Tribunal Dumner if you don't mind stick out tongue

Also it should be mentioned that Vivec (along with the rest of the Tribunal) had at that point of time lost his connection with the heart and could no longer because of Dagoth Ur presence refill his godly powers. So Imperial > Nord? I have a strong feeling that somehow the alliance between the eigth (that became nine when Tiber Septim became a God) and the Imperials had alot to do with their success.

It's very easy to make that argument, and Divayth Fyr is still alive and well, he is essential to the questline and if you kill him or he dies in some fashion the quest is over.

It's a mod that amongst other things have spells that are undefendable and a spell that (if I could get it to work) will literally oneshot you, resistance, absorb etc won't help you, because the spell removes you from the plane of existance and dumps you somewhere between the dimensions, killing you in the process. So.. come get some :P

On another note you wouldn't be alot better of yourself wink but I bet we can use a year to bet on each other stick out tongue

edit no idea why it added 131 in the last csm string 1. ... Huh? They are light-skinned, short, and the one you meet is a bloated Corprus creature. no expression They are elves, but are very different, especially in regards to technological power, this was pretty much the same Dwarven race that created Numidium, a mechanical psuedo-deity. They're still Chimer, notice the gold skin... Not counting half of Vivec's body, for whatever reason.

2. Sure about that? Tiber Septim came to Morrowind a long ass time ago. Yes, in terms of overall power, the Imperial race is stronger than the Nords of Skyrim or any other race, or rather, they were. Also, apparently the Nords have recently started several wars for land, and have increased the size of Skyrim considerably. The next game may very well take place within Skyrim so I find it likely the Nords will be the new dominant race. It very well might have... Or maybe not, considering that the Eight/Nine rarely ever DO anything, it took Mehrunes Dagon coming to Cyrodill and attacking the Imperial City to make Akatosh act. Also, the Dunmer had a Tribunal of powerful Demigods to aid them, without them and the Imperial Army the Akaviri invasion would have been successful.

3. You misunderstand, I have heard that he died when the moon Sheogorath sent plummetting on Vivec finally fell.

4. Nah.

5. Nah.

Utrigita
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. ... Huh? They are light-skinned, short, and the one you meet is a bloated Corprus creature. no expression They are elves, but are very different, especially in regards to technological power, this was pretty much the same Dwarven race that created Numidium, a mechanical psuedo-deity. They're still Chimer, notice the gold skin... Not counting half of Vivec's body, for whatever reason.

2. Sure about that? Tiber Septim came to Morrowind a long ass time ago. Yes, in terms of overall power, the Imperial race is stronger than the Nords of Skyrim or any other race, or rather, they were. Also, apparently the Nords have recently started several wars for land, and have increased the size of Skyrim considerably. The next game may very well take place within Skyrim so I find it likely the Nords will be the new dominant race. It very well might have... Or maybe not, considering that the Eight/Nine rarely ever DO anything, it took Mehrunes Dagon coming to Cyrodill and attacking the Imperial City to make Akatosh act. Also, the Dunmer had a Tribunal of powerful Demigods to aid them, without them and the Imperial Army the Akaviri invasion would have been successful.

3. You misunderstand, I have heard that he died when the moon Sheogorath sent plummetting on Vivec finally fell.

4. Nah.

5. Nah.

You can still see that he was once a elf though, neither does it really change the circumstances surrounding the structure of the old houses in Morrowind where the Dwermer was regarded to be a house equal to the Telvanni, Redoran, Hlolu etc. there is no logical reason for this if it wasn't because they shared certain physical aspects between them. After all Dwemer simply means Deep Elves. Sotha Sil however iirc had under his armor the skincolor accustom to the Dumner.


So not exactly conquering Morrowind... I'm not sure how reliable the source is though because the rest of it is just rubbish imo.
http://oblivion.wikia.com/wiki/Morrowind

The question is if there will be another game within a near future considering what it'll center about it'll imo be quite massive and take a shitload of time to make.

From where did you hear that?

Yes. smile

Yes. smile

NemeBro
Originally posted by Utrigita
You can still see that he was once a elf though, neither does it really change the circumstances surrounding the structure of the old houses in Morrowind where the Dwermer was regarded to be a house equal to the Telvanni, Redoran, Hlolu etc. there is no logical reason for this if it wasn't because they shared certain physical aspects between them. After all Dwemer simply means Deep Elves. Sotha Sil however iirc had under his armor the skincolor accustom to the Dumner.


So not exactly conquering Morrowind... I'm not sure how reliable the source is though because the rest of it is just rubbish imo.
http://oblivion.wikia.com/wiki/Morrowind

The question is if there will be another game within a near future considering what it'll center about it'll imo be quite massive and take a shitload of time to make.

From where did you hear that?

Yes. smile

Yes. smile 1. Yeah, and the Altmer are elves too and do not resemble the Dunmer that much and are considered to be more powerful spellcasters (Generally). What certain physical characteristics would those be, srsly? We know what they looked like, generally possessing large beards, relatively short, and fair skinned. They resemble Bosmer more than Dunmer, and the Dunmer were nowhere near as technologically advanced as the Dwemer were. I am not disputing the Dwemer were elves, but they have no more in common with the Dunmer than the Bosmer. They were considered equal due to a truce between Lord Indoril Nerevar of Dunmer and King Dumac of Dwemer, the truce they made when they warded off the Nord invasion. Indoril and Dumac were apparently comerades, friends, only turning against eachother due to insistence from Kagrenac and the Tribunal not to trust eachother.

2. That information is mostly true, yeah, but the Dunmer were not happy with Imperial rule over Morrowind, and you cannot dispute that the Imperials were the dominant force in the nation.

3. Not necessarily in the near future, I think they are making a new Fallout game first.

4. Second-hand information, not sure if it is correct, might be in a book somewhere.

I_Cheat_U_LOSE
Sheogorath wins this one.
If Sheogorath is in his own realm he wins this one easy.

Sheogorath has near omnipotence within his own realm.

Sheogorath has the power to recreate his realm every time it is destroy. His realm is destroyed cycle after cycle from the Graymarch. Even if Xel'lotath destroys everything in Sheogorath's realm, he can just recreate it.

Sheogorath can kill you even with god mode on in the elder scrolls oblivion. Its a scripted death and cannot be avoided unless you use the console to stop the script and teleport out.

Sheogorath's daedric weapon is the wabbajack, which can turn any enemy into another random creature. Thus if Sheogorath uses this against Xel'lotath then Xel'lotath can be turned into a harmless deer.

Also Sheogorath's personality is amazing, he laughs and gets a kick out of every little thing. Even if Sheogorath cannot defeat Xel'lotath in terms of powers, his personality and madness is persuasive enough to make Xel'lotath become a Sheogorath worshiper, which is an instant win for Sheo.

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Originally posted by I_Cheat_U_LOSE
Sheogorath wins this one.
If Sheogorath is in his own realm he wins this one easy.

Sheogorath has near omnipotence within his own realm.

Sheogorath has the power to recreate his realm every time it is destroy. His realm is destroyed cycle after cycle from the Graymarch. Even if Xel'lotath destroys everything in Sheogorath's realm, he can just recreate it.

Sheogorath can kill you even with god mode on in the elder scrolls oblivion. Its a scripted death and cannot be avoided unless you use the console to stop the script and teleport out.

Sheogorath's daedric weapon is the wabbajack, which can turn any enemy into another random creature. Thus if Sheogorath uses this against Xel'lotath then Xel'lotath can be turned into a harmless deer.

Also Sheogorath's personality is amazing, he laughs and gets a kick out of every little thing. Even if Sheogorath cannot defeat Xel'lotath in terms of powers, his personality and madness is persuasive enough to make Xel'lotath become a Sheogorath worshiper, which is an instant win for Sheo. This is actually a pretty good post, but you don't sound like you're very familiar with Xel'Lotath? I highly suggest you play Eternal Darkness, was a great game. Xel'Lotath is probably one of the few entities in fiction crazier than Sheogorath.

FinalAnswer
Lies.

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Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Lies.

Xel'lotath is now a deer. Your argument is invalid.

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Originally posted by LLLLLink
Xel'lotath is now a deer. Your argument is invalid. mariofacepalm

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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
mariofacepalm

I was just kidding, man...

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