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Who wins?

Photon by alot

but then again i havent seen ss since his latest upgrade

Which photon are we talking about? Because the one I'm thinking of doesn't stand a chance against the silver surfer.

Genis.

Oh. Yeah, he wins.

Photon wins.

photon

Implied power says photon wins this. (as he didnt actually display that much on panel to give him the decisive win over SS.imo)

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Photon by alot

but then again i havent seen ss since his latest upgrade

Surfer treated Nova like an annoyance. And the last guy who had the entire Nova force was Garthan Saal, a.k.a. Super Nova/Nova Omega, who wiped the floor with Firelord and Starfox, than took on a combined force of the Avengers, Quasar, and the Fantastic Four, and did well against them.

And yet Nova, with a similar power set, was just an annoyance to Surfer.

And here's some scans of Surfers fight with Beta Ray Bill from God Hunter:


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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/915782-brbgh_02_007_super.jpg

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From the looks of it, Surfer was knocked back but unharmed. And considering Surfer wasn't even fighting seriously, yet bloodied up Bill pretty easily...?

Surfers a beast now.

And I'm going with Photon.

Insane genis stomps.. the thunderbolt relatively sane one i say loses

Wow surfer got a hell of an upgrade

he really gives photon a fight

Surfer, unless it's insane Genis.

Wow. Photon getting a majority descision over Norrin on KMC?! I've got to read up on this guy.

It depends. Are we talking about Photon Genis from the Thunderbolts? That would be an awesome fight, and he would win against classic Surfer IMO. But after the upgrade in Annihilation? I don't think it's an easy decision...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer, unless it's insane Genis. There's no difference in power.

Plot device kept Photon from properly wielding his abilities.

Originally posted by Mindset
There's no difference in power.

Maybe comparing regular to insane, pre Photon. But I don't remember Genis-Vell having the ability to shunt/teleport before the Thunderbolts.

I "think" Captain Marvel and Photon have similar power sets though, except the teleporting...

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe comparing regular to insane, pre Photon. But I don't remember Genis-Vell having the ability to shunt/teleport before the Thunderbolts.

I "think" Captain Marvel and Photon have similar power sets though, except the teleporting... They have the same power sets and im pretty sure CM has teleported.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe comparing regular to insane, pre Photon. But I don't remember Genis-Vell having the ability to shunt/teleport before the Thunderbolts.

I "think" Captain Marvel and Photon have similar power sets though, except the teleporting... He did.

Photon 9/10

Originally posted by Mindset
There's no difference in power.

i wasn't talking about powerset.

Originally posted by cdtm

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/915782-brbgh_02_007_super.jpg

The definition of a cheap shot.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The definition of a cheap shot. Part of his powerset.

I'm sure we wouldn't be calling a speedblitz against an opponent knowing he's fighting a cheapshot... so why should we call this one one?

Originally posted by Blanket
Part of his powerset.

I'm sure we wouldn't be calling a speedblitz against an opponent knowing he's fighting a cheapshot... so why should we call this one one?
Board hits BRB's back whilst unawares.

Cheap shot at its finest.

Toe-to-toe, stalemate or BRB eventually overpowers SS if you consider him equal to Thor.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Board hits BRB's back whilst unawares.

Cheap shot at its finest.

Toe-to-toe, stalemate or BRB eventually overpowers SS if you consider him equal to Thor. Which is well within his abilities.

Again, acknowledge this; if an opponent fights using regular speed, but then completely overwhelms another opponent using super speed, would we call that a cheapshot?
Certainly the opponent cannot defend against this sort of attack, but it is well within the speedblitzer's powerset.

I certainly wouldn't base this on anything, because that didn't seem to end well for Bill...

Originally posted by Blanket
Which is well within his abilities.

Again, acknowledge this; if an opponent fights using regular speed, but then completely overwhelms another opponent using super speed, would we call that a cheapshot?
Certainly the opponent cannot defend against this sort of attack, but it is well within the speedblitzer's powerset.

I certainly wouldn't base this on anything, because that didn't seem to end well for Bill...
I know. But the thing is BRB doesn't even have cosmic awareness.

Well, I too think that BRB < Thor. Fight was a mismatch since SS has cosmic awareness and just faster.
PS: Thor would beat SS to a pulp, though.

Or ignore it.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I know. But the thing is BRB doesn't even have cosmic awareness.

Well, I too think that BRB < Thor. Fight was a mismatch since SS has cosmic awareness and just faster.
PS: Thor would beat SS to a pulp, though. K.

I never said I thought BRB < Thor. That's a little contradictory to all of their history.

Is this based on anything current, and not Warrior Madnes-sy?
Also, Thor doesn't have cosmic awareness, and Surfer is just faster than him.

Thor's stronger
And hammer > surfboard ahah

Originally posted by Blanket
Part of his powerset.

I'm sure we wouldn't be calling a speedblitz against an opponent knowing he's fighting a cheapshot... so why should we call this one one?

Agreed.

And I'm not so sure Bill would've eventually beaten Surfer down without the back attack, looking at how much damage Bill's shots actually did, compared to Surfer's fists.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Thor's stronger
And hammer > surfboard ahah

They usually look dead even whenever they fight. In the old Simonson run, their second fight would've ended in a double KO if not for the lava reviving Bill.

And Bill managed to absorb some tremendous punishment, and still gets his licks in, in Blood and Thunder.

Thor over Surfer and Surfer over Bill likely has a lot to do with pecking order in terms of value of the characters as well.
The interesting thing is that Bill was winning the direct confrontation part of the match prior to that.
Do you believe he'd fall to the same tactic again?

Photon easy

Originally posted by Juntai
Thor over Surfer and Surfer over Bill likely has a lot to do with pecking order in terms of value of the characters as well.
The interesting thing is that Bill was winning the direct confrontation part of the match prior to that.
Do you believe he'd fall to the same tactic again?

I find it completely (pardon the expression) comical that people can actually define what was happening in the first few pages of that fight as "winning" for BRB...

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I find it completely (pardon the expression) comical that people can actually define what was happening in the first few pages of that fight as "winning" for BRB...

I wouldn't phrase it so critically, but the only reason Bill landed his attacks is because Surfer was telling him he just wanted to talk and got in close.

Which is really what makes this showing so impressive for him. It's not just that he beat Bill down, it's that he really wasn't even taking the fight seriously...