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ko, kill cis on morality on..

fight takes place in an empty warehouse h2h only..

Shang goes down hard.

no way.

close fight very close fight

what does punisher have as standard equip? or is it going to be strictly H2h?

whoopps nvm didn't read.. IMO Team then. but they are gona have some broken bones.

its h2h

And while I think Shang beats either one on one he is defintely not winning against both.

if guns are involved frank wins..


if pure h2h, it comes down to wildcat v. shang with shang taking slight majority methinks.. 6/10 ftw


edit, reread OP... Team 7/10 providing they actually work together

so a bad@$$ fighter like shang cant take on an aged boxer and a veteran marine in h2h?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so a bad@$$ fighter like shang cant take on an aged boxer and a veteran marine in h2h?

Neither of them are slouches in hand to hand. And a one really skilled pereson is gonna ahve trouble with two skilled people. I think aslong as they dont just wait till he beat one of them up to coem in that they will win.

if hes a master of kung fu, he should have no problem fighting two people at once; especially since kung fu is a defensive martial art overall

no brainer.......

2 skilled MA's > 1 skilled MA

Originally posted by namorsubby
no brainer.......

2 skilled MA's > 1 skilled MA no its not, shang-chi is more skilled than both of them put together.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
no its not, shang-chi is more skilled than both of them put together. lol.....no.


Grant has been stated several times to be the best fighter on the Justice society's earth(usually by JSA members).

The Punisher may not be considered a top teir MA, but he has proven through feats that he can take on very skilled grade A MA's and even formiddable metas h2h.

No way shang's more skilled than them collectively or taking this even once against them both.

6/10 Shang Chi

Frank going down first with strict H2H rule on.

Wildcat is experienced street fighting brute, but his one way skill ain't taking Shang Chi down.

Team. Punisher and Wildcat might not be as skilled as Shang Chi separately, but combined and working together it's enough for them to win.

Originally posted by vansonbee
6/10 Shang Chi

Frank going down first with strict H2H rule on.

Wildcat is experienced street fighting brute, but his one way skill ain't taking Shang Chi down. "one way skill" ? as in, just boxing?

Ted's a master of several other MA's......besides being "the finest boxer who ever lived"
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Punisher no slouch either. this team is more than capable of taking shang.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Team. Punisher and Wildcat might not be as skilled as Shang Chi separately, but combined and working together it's enough for them to win.

Shang Chi and Wildcat are both "masters" of individual forms of martial combat. Shang in Kung Fu/Wushu and Wildcat in boxing. Though both are also cross trained in other arts. Frank may not have as focused training in a particular art, but over and over again he has proven himself a beast in H2H combat.

I figure Frank or Ted alone would be a fair match for Shang. Together they demolish him.

Originally posted by Nightstick
Shang Chi and Wildcat are both "masters" of individual forms of martial combat. Shang in Kung Fu/Wushu and Wildcat in boxing. Though both are also cross trained in other arts. Frank may not have as focused training in a particular art, but over and over again he has proven himself a beast in H2H combat.

I figure Frank or Ted alone would be a fair match for Shang. Together they demolish him.

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Ahhhh.... wrong.

Shang-Chi under went (more or less), the same training has his father. Now, to my recollection its never been expressly stated that Shang-Chi is a master of every martial art but it has been stated that his father is, so its pretty easy to infer that Shang-Chi has a vast amount of training out side of the Kung-fu qualifier. Not to mention he once solo'd half a dozen monks at once who where all stated as being masters of every known fighting style.

As someone who has read every single appearance of Shang-Chi I will say this, not only would Shang-Chi beat the two of these guys at once in h2h but he would utterly destroy them. Shang-Chi for tha high majority.

joking right?

wildcat alone would be a big problem, but then you add one if not the most dirtiest fighters in the game to wildcat's team.... 6/10 would be borderline miraculous.

beating N amount of X's is a trait all these guys have, frank twice beat down several groups of magical science monk type dudes while trying to flee a building

I don't want to get into a debate about which fodder is more deadly, but I'm inclinded to believe that a group of MA's who know every MA are more of a handful then the Sholin Scientist Squad.

Shang-chi has koed people with chi screams, walked on ceilings, danced between bullets and been punched into orbit without being ko-ed. He is Karate-Kid lite. Neither of these two are on his level, and to suggest they are is absurd and means you need to take a trip to your LCS and hit up the back issues.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Ahhhh.... wrong.

Shang-Chi under went (more or less), the same training has his father. Now, to my recollection its never been expressly stated that Shang-Chi is a master of every martial art but it has been stated that his father is, so its pretty easy to infer that Shang-Chi has a vast amount of training out side of the Kung-fu qualifier. Not to mention he once solo'd half a dozen monks at once who where all stated as being masters of every known fighting style.


What are you on about. I said he had training outside of Kung Fu/Wushu, but I'd say that its fairly obvious from his moniker "The Master of Kung Fu"(Kung Fu in this instance used to refer to the martial arts style(s) of Wushu) that said martial art is his primary focus or would you disagree? Lets expand on the idea of cross training more though. Grant is versed in several forms outside of boxing as well. Including kickboxing, capoeira, and Hapkeido. As for the Punisher besides military h2h training he is also versed in half a dozen martial arts.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Shang-chi has..... been punched into orbit without being ko-ed.

This one I want to see. Do you have a scan or issue number? Not saying it didn't happen just not a Shang-Chi feat I am familiar with.

Originally posted by Nightstick
This one I want to see. Do you have a scan or issue number? Not saying it didn't happen just not a Shang-Chi feat I am familiar with. Originally posted by Alfheim
Shang Chi Vs The Red Dragon. Shang loses but its a damn good showing because he takes on his men as well, there is also a very impressive durability feat.


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Shang Chi smashes up a Doombot with his bare hands.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't want to get into a debate about which fodder is more deadly, but I'm inclinded to believe that a group of MA's who know every MA are more of a handful then the Sholin Scientist Squad.

What kind of BS logic is that, just because its stated they do doesn't mean shit at all. I think thats been said about The Hand as well and Frank Castle defintely doesnt know every MA style. Who do you think wins in a fight between 1Hand operative and Frank?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Shang-chi has koed people with chi screams, walked on ceilings, danced between bullets and been punched into orbit without being ko-ed. He is Karate-Kid lite. Neither of these two are on his level, and to suggest they are is absurd and means you need to take a trip to your LCS and hit up the back issues.

Except your selecting what feats you like. There are lots of other feats that are relatively normal as well. What you need to do is start using your head instead of inventing your own logic.


Originally posted by Nightstick
As for the Punisher besides military h2h training he is also versed in half a dozen martial arts.

He actually knows more I just couldn't find the scans.

i think a lot of ppl are forgetting how skilled shang is and the exotic skills he can pull out his MA @$$..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i think a lot of ppl are forgetting how skilled shang is and the exotic skills he can pull out his MA @$$.. THANK YOU.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i think a lot of ppl are forgetting how skilled shang is and the exotic skills he can pull out his MA @$$..

No ones forgetting anything. You are blowing this chi thing out of proportion.

Originally posted by Deadline
What kind of BS logic is that, just because its stated they do doesn't mean shit at all. I think thats been said about The Hand as well and Frank Castle defintely doesnt know every MA style. Who do you think wins in a fight between 1Hand operative and Frank?



Except your selecting what feats you like. There are lots of other feats that are relatively normal as well. What you need to do is start using your head instead of inventing your own logic.




He actually knows more I just couldn't find the scans.

The only logic that make sense? It's not as though each group of canon fodder is automatically equal or something, so if you are a part of a small and prestigious group of characters stated to know every MA, you are likely vastly superior the rest of the fodder dregs.

Hand Ninja's have never been stated to know every MA. They where once stated as each being worth 12 men, but thats it. Would you like the list of every earth bound character who has been stated on panel to know every "known" MA? Captain America, Dragon Fly, Fu Manchu, Mr. X and the previously mentioned random monks Shang Chi beat.

.Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only logic that make sense? It's not as though each group of canon fodder is automatically equal or something, so if you are a part of a small and prestigious group of characters stated to know every MA, you are likely vastly superior the rest of the fodder dregs.

Actually that makes no sense at all. Just because they are stated to know ever single martial arts isn't enough. They need to have feats to back it up.


Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Hand Ninja's have never been stated to know every MA. They where once stated as each being worth 12 men, but thats it. /B]


According to your boy jinzin they do.

Originally posted by jinzin


Off the top of my head he's shown some outstanding proffeciency in paqua, karate, judo, escrima, chin na, the same form as that of the Hand,and they're stated to be proficient in all forms of martial arts.



Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Would you like the list of every earth bound character who has been stated on panel to know every "known" MA? Captain America, Dragon Fly, Fu Manchu, Mr. X and the previously mentioned random monks Shang Chi beat.

Are you seriously trying to argue that those monks were as skilled as Cap and MrX when they don't have any feats? Just because it states that they know all martial arts don't mean much unless there is something to back it up. Hell im pretty sure there are martial artists that don't know every martial art that could beat those monks. MK for starters actually did better against Zaran than Shang did.

once over a decade ago the hand had far less losses and some what impressive showing but that was b4 the new staff at marvel...

and one monk or master from the hand would demolish a lot of guys above cap with his shield without breaking a sweat.. the iron monk comes to mind.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
once over a decade ago the hand had far less losses and some what impressive showing but that was b4 the new staff at marvel...

Prove it. They might have also had less appearances as well.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

and one monk or master from the hand would demolish a lot of guys above cap with his shield without breaking a sweat.. the iron monk comes to mind.

Prove it. Oh no you can't all you're doing is just talking.

also ur boy Cap got his @$$ handed to him by a small group of 5 to 10 hand ninjas and he didnt even manage to put up a fight and was nearly decapitated had logan not saved him and interfered...
why do i have to prove anything to you? this isnt some other crappy site where you are required to post scans in order to validate ur post.

take that sh$%@y response and type of behavior over to comicvine if i eventually have to find the scans for other posters i will but i dont feel you warrant such a response

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
also ur boy Cap got his @$$ handed to him by a small group of 5 to 10 hand ninjas and he didnt even manage to put up a fight and was nearly decapitated had logan not saved him and interfered...

Thats when he first started his career, next. Punisher has held his own against Hand ninjas h2h as well. Next!


Originally posted by Wild Shadow

why do i have to prove anything to you? this isnt some other crappy site where you are required to post scans in order to validate ur post.

take that sh$%@y response and type of behavior over to comicvine if i eventually have to find the scans for other posters i will but i dont feel you warrant such a response


You don't have to but there are two reason why you in particular need to provide proof.

a) You consistently make excuses.
b) Its the logical thing to do. What most people do in vs threads when they want to make a logical point is actually provide proof. Hell sometimes even if you can't provide scans you at least tell posters what they can do. But you can't even do that because they don't have any feats.

I will tell you this the SSS may not know every martial art but they are superhuman.

in a wolverine annual logan fought a handful of hand cannon fodder they put up an above decent fight then what has now become standard.

the few hand ninjas manage to reach their mystic masters which were about 4 or 5 and they were levitating logan made some smart@$$ remark about them and how he could easily take them down. while in a meditative sitting position they summoned a large mystic dragon which would have killed anyone without adamantium a healing factor and a high dose of superhuman attributes .

the iron monk was a hand master who was a drunk old man who also happen to be a smart@$$ he was able to easily rip the entire prison cell doors and pull logan out as well as manhandle him and laugh at logan the whole time. he was called the iron monk b/c he studied one particlar MA style which granted him mystical invulnerability to all physical non mystic harm.. able to take all forms of bludgeoning attacks as well as logan's piercing damage with no harm and would have also bn able to take adamantium claws if logan was packing them at the time...

another group of Hand Ninjas are called the cyborg Cult cybernetic ninjas with upgrades which some possessed technological symbiote suits.. they have also bn seen in the x-men comics as also possessing power dampners and exotic technological powers that simulates certain nature aspects. like lightning shock wave earth quakes .. super strength.. invisibility.. the one's logan fought individually had laser guns, tech swords and the sym tech suit ones had morphing capabilities with automatic weapons..

Shang is being seriously underestimated here. This is a pure h2h match. Shang may be superior even to Iron Fist in h2h, First class bs aside.

the only ones being underestimated here are the two opposing Shang Chi.

Every MA street-leveler has their share of obscene, high end feats, but Shang is no next level MA like gamora,KK, Temugin, etc. His feats aren't overly impressive in comparison with the high end MA feats of other h2h street-levelers, including Ted and Frank.And No, he's not even Karate Kid lite........

what shang is is a top teir marvel MA. Grade A material certainly, but saying he runs through these two, who are also extremely skilled h2h combatants is taking away from them and what they've proven in their own feats