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Bane has venom

I would think Daredevil would probably take it, but it'd be a solid fight. Give Bane venom and he might win.

Daredevil lacks fear, is street smart in ways Bane isn't, and can "see" everywhere...I think he takes it after not too long.

Originally posted by hulkgoalie
Daredevil lacks fear, is street smart in ways Bane isn't, and can "see" everywhere...I think he takes it after not too long.

Bane's not exactly known for fear himself, is a tactical genius when not on venom, and is a very dangerous fighter.

Originally posted by Q99
Bane's not exactly known for fear himself, is a tactical genius when not on venom, and is a very dangerous fighter. The brute hasn't shown much of it in "secret six" (writer fault maybe).

Daredevil reserve fighter, taking his time analyzing, and is way faster than Bane.

Bane's far from slow though, he can score hits on Batman.

As for intellect, he's involved in mission planning fairly often. Like remember the issue when he and Catman were going after a bunch of kidnappers in Gotham trying to take advantage of Batman's death? I'm pretty sure he did most of the brain work in that.

Six definitely portrays him as far from dumb.

Originally posted by Q99
Bane's not exactly known for fear himself, is a tactical genius when not on venom, and is a very dangerous fighter. So basically a less vicious, but faster and more skilled Mr. Hyde?

Daredevil.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So basically a less vicious, but faster and more skilled Mr. Hyde? Duly noted* Venom amp Bane isn't close or comparable to Mr. Hyde strength.

dd takes this. dd evades bullseye all the time, so i dont think bane would pose too much of a problem. eventually bane will take enough hits and go down

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Bane loses once again

Bane wins. Venom would be too much.

What is bane's best feat?

Bane is highly intelligent and a great strategist. He's not as a good of a fighter as Matt, but his intelligence and strength make up for it.

BTW, breaking judomaster is a nice feat.

no way, matt has been able to hang with faster, stronger people; i dont think bane would be his downfall here

Like who?

Spiderman
Iron Fist

DD has beaten Spidey and IF? I remember him getting beaten by Black Tarantula.

BT raped Parker...

Yeah, but BT isn't as formidable as he once was.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
DD has beaten Spidey and IF? I remember him getting beaten by Black Tarantula. he had the flu

And that was a cheap shot. Anyway Bane is not as strong as BT.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
no way, matt has been able to hang with faster, stronger people Originally posted by Prep-Man
Like who? Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman
Iron Fist
...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
DD has beaten Spidey and IF? ?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And that was a cheap shot. Anyway Bane is not as strong as BT.

I think BT would school Matt one on one. His stats are far beyond DD's.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think BT would school Matt one on one. His stats are far beyond DD's.

He'd pwn Bane, too.

I'm sure he will, but Bane has done well against top tier MA's. Judomaster for one.

"Matt, Now is not the time for panic, that comes later."

I'd have to go with bane for the majority.

Bane has Matt's permission to die...

DCnU Bane would win in a hth fight.

Matt would flip a limo on him and whack him with his billy club

Bane would hit Daredevil out of the area with the limo. And punch his face in with his fists!

Originally posted by Golgo13
DCnU Bane would win in a hth fight. Considering Batman(on DCnU Venom) made Superman's lip bleed with a few punches, I'd tend to agree.

Bane just owned like a few Talons and tore off their heads. Most of the Talons gave Bruce and the BOP a run for their money, yet Bane owned them.

He also casually broke Talon (Calvin) in his own solo series.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/BN_zps5af2cb1d.jpg

Daredevil just owned Silver Surfer

Surfer sucks.

dd for a slight majority.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Surfer sucks. You suck poop off of bumhair

Originally posted by leonidas
dd for a slight majority.

Matt breaks Bane.

Ill go with Bane to win more than not, but it would be very close.

DD

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You suck poop off of bumhair

Double D wins.

For those who are voting for DD, how does he win? Bane is stronger, faster, and more durable. DD has the agility edge, but that's about it.

DD never had issues taking out stronger and more durable opponents in the past. his sences allow him to track and attack weak spots in his opponents body and give him a form of body reading making his reflexes superhuman. Now while Bane is stronger and more durable (I am not sure about faster) he certainly isn't invulnerable or anything for Matt to take out. not to mention the skill gap. DD can take a slight majority

Originally posted by Warlord
DD never had issues taking out stronger and more durable opponents in the past. his sences allow him to track and attack weak spots in his opponents body and give him a form of body reading making his reflexes superhuman. Now while Bane is stronger and more durable (I am not sure about faster) he certainly isn't invulnerable or anything for Matt to take out. not to mention the skill gap. DD can take a slight majority

Bane is quite above super human. He owned Batman, Calvin, and a bunch of Talons that gave Batman a run for his money one on one. I'm sure DD can win some battles, but not the majority.

The new venom Bane is on is even stronger than before. Batman on the same venom made Superman bleed with a few punches.

Bane has a great track record for a villain.
He has defeated/stalemated Batman on multiple occasions.
Defeated KGBeast in prison death match after detoxicating, Beat the hell out of Killer Croc twice breaking his arm, one shotted man-bat, beat Azreal Jean, easily defeated Ubu and Nightwing twice, stalemated Hourman 1 & 2, and stalemated Ra's Al Ghul in a sword battle, pwned Cat man and killed Judomaster and Talon Calvin.

Bane is very skilled and agile and he will break DD.

Bane for a majority

Originally posted by Supermutant
He has defeated/stalemated Batman on multiple occasions. How many times?

Bane just humiliated Batman he was about to throw him off a cliff but Flash saved him.

Originally posted by ODG
How many times?

1st time in Knightfall where Bane broke his back.
Bane 1 Batman 0

2nd time during Legacy where Bane is taking his time drowning Batman, then Batman remembers the death of his parents and in true hero fashion able to fight back and overcome Bane.
Bane 1 Batman 1

3rd time in No Man's Land where Batman and Bane trading blowing until Bane reveals he has a hidden bomb. So, Batman leaves to find it.
Bane 1 Batman 1 Stalemate 1

4th time New 52 Bane beats the crap out of Batman and is only saved by the Flash interfering.
Bane 2 Batman 1 Stalemate 1

^ Wasn't Batman affected by toxins in the latest fight?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Bane is quite above super human. He owned Batman, Calvin, and a bunch of Talons that gave Batman a run for his money one on one. I'm sure DD can win some battles, but not the majority.

The new venom Bane is on is even stronger than before. Batman on the same venom made Superman bleed with a few punches.

Dude, DD has brought down people who are a LOT more superhuman than bane. Namor for one with nerve strikes and he's stronger, faster and more durable than Bane by several orders of magnitude. DD has also fought the avengers line up of Cap, Giantman, Iron Man and Herc and come out looking apples and taken on several Xmen.

Now i know it's not canon but Bat's and DD in a Marvel DC cross over also assessed each other as too damn good to face off.

Originally posted by beatboks
Dude, DD has brought down people who are a LOT more superhuman than bane. Namor for one with nerve strikes and he's stronger, faster and more durable than Bane by several orders of magnitude. DD has also fought the avengers line up of Cap, Giantman, Iron Man and Herc and come out looking apples and taken on several Xmen.

Now i know it's not canon but Bat's and DD in a Marvel DC cross over also assessed each other as too damn good to face off.

Kingpin has also given DD a good fight in the past. Bane has also given super humans who are above him good fights as well. Bane is actually a good strategist/fighter just like Kingpin and currently stronger, more ruthless.

Originally posted by beatboks
Dude, DD has brought down people who are a LOT more superhuman than bane. Namor for one with nerve strikes and he's stronger, faster and more durable than Bane by several orders of magnitude. DD has also fought the avengers line up of Cap, Giantman, Iron Man and Herc and come out looking apples and taken on several Xmen.

Now i know it's not canon but Bat's and DD in a Marvel DC cross over also assessed each other as too damn good to face off. When did DD ever bring down Namor?????

As far as I know he's been knocked out like 3 times against Namor. Which is terrible, but it happens. Didn't do too bad though

DD pulls the old Wolverine killer and smashes a dumbbell in Bane's face. Bane naturally falls on a sword.

What fts does DCNU Barman have that puts him on DD level?

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbt2weCL1g1rtrx1ho1_400.gif

Originally posted by ODG
When did DD ever bring down Namor?????

DD issue #'s 7,63, and 77 ( though IIRC this one was more of a stalemate). Also in either a crossover in a Spidey mag or marvel team up with BP ( this one being the best feat)

from 2 of the battles with Namor
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor6.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor5.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor4.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor2.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor3.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982934-ddvsnamor64og.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982935-ddvsnamor75tn.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982936-ddvsnamor87ep.jpg.html
Last one was the stalemate from 77.
So he's fought him for about 8 pages where at the end Namor got up before DD after a mutual KO but retreated out of respect for DD's courage. been put down by DD who then tactically withdrew before namor cam back up. Been delayed by DD until he reasoned with him. and put down by a nerve point strike ( the team up one I can't find just now)
Vs Cap
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd5ne9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd4zv7.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd1bt7.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd6ly9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151006-daredevil_v1_156cbr___page_5.jpg.html

Vs Avengers
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151004-daredevil_v1_155cbr___page_17.jpg.html

Vs Wolvie
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982867-dd73nf.jpg.html
Vs others a LOT tougher than bane
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/daredevilv20617zm1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork180zt.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork197xi.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork167bu.jpg.html

Kingpin has also given DD a good fight in the past. Bane has also given super humans who are above him good fights as well. Bane is actually a good strategist/fighter just like Kingpin and currently stronger, more ruthless.

Your point??? Kingpin is stronger than Bane, he's out muscled Spiderman. he's also faster my a shite load. Fisk doesn't worry about ANY of NY's masked heroes except DD.

Originally posted by beatboks
DD issue #'s 7,63, and 77 ( though IIRC this one was more of a stalemate). Also in either a crossover in a Spidey mag or marvel team up with BP ( this one being the best feat)

from 2 of the battles with Namor
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor6.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor5.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor4.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor2.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor3.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982934-ddvsnamor64og.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982935-ddvsnamor75tn.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982936-ddvsnamor87ep.jpg.html
Last one was the stalemate from 77.
So he's fought him for about 8 pages where at the end Namor got up before DD after a mutual KO but retreated out of respect for DD's courage. been put down by DD who then tactically withdrew before namor cam back up. Been delayed by DD until he reasoned with him. and put down by a nerve point strike ( the team up one I can't find just now)
Vs Cap
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd5ne9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd4zv7.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd1bt7.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/capdd6ly9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151006-daredevil_v1_156cbr___page_5.jpg.html

Vs Avengers
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1151004-daredevil_v1_155cbr___page_17.jpg.html

Vs Wolvie
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982867-dd73nf.jpg.html
Vs others a LOT tougher than bane
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/daredevilv20617zm1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork180zt.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork197xi.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/swork167bu.jpg.html

Kingpin has also given DD a good fight in the past. Bane has also given super humans who are above him good fights as well. Bane is actually a good strategist/fighter just like Kingpin and currently stronger, more ruthless.

Your point??? Kingpin is stronger than Bane, he's out muscled Spiderman. he's also faster my a shite load. Fisk doesn't worry about ANY of NY's masked heroes except DD.

Not stronger than DCnU Bane. Hell, even without Venom, Pre-Flashpoint Bane was tanking blows from Catman with no problem.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Your point??? Kingpin is stronger than Bane, he's out muscled Spiderman. he's also faster my a shite load. Fisk doesn't worry about ANY of NY's masked heroes except DD.

Not stronger than DCnU Bane. Hell, even without Venom, Pre-Flashpoint Bane was tanking blows from Catman with no problem.

you've GOT o be kidding. I show you scans of DD putting down Beast, Hercules, Namor and guy's blockbuster and solomon Grundy level and you offer Catman as a counter ? pull your head out of your proverbial. Catman isn't even Cap America level.

Originally posted by beatboks
Not stronger than DCnU Bane. Hell, even without Venom, Pre-Flashpoint Bane was tanking blows from Catman with no problem.

you've GOT o be kidding. I show you scans of DD putting down Beast, Hercules, Namor and guy's blockbuster and solomon Grundy level and you offer Catman as a counter ? pull your head out of your proverbial. Catman isn't even Cap America level.

I said dcnu bane. Catman encounter was pre flashpoint. Batman on the same venom drew blood from superman.

DCNu Superman has varying power levels and his early years are like GA action comics 1 level ( in other words barely spidey level). Batman on any amp taking blood from any other level Superman is pure and utter PIS. No feats produced by bane in DCNu put him at even a 40 tonner let alone a 90 or class 100 as i've shown. so unless you can put up a feat for Bane at over 100 tons I fail to see hiw DD putting down Herc or Namor isn't dealing with someone above Bane by several orders of magnitude.

This wasnt an early year superman.

Originally posted by Golgo13
This wasnt an early year superman.
the. it has to be PIS. it is also completely irelivant for this discussion any way. it wasnt Bane. A feat for batman isnt a feat for bane. Venom is an enhancing drug. we have seen bats do shit loads that is superhuman without venom. enhancing that level is not the same as enhancing a character we have FA knowledge on off the drug.

Dd going against namor is pis too. Half of batmans feats are pis.

Originally posted by beatboks
DD issue #'s 7,63, and 77 ( though IIRC this one was more of a stalemate). Also in either a crossover in a Spidey mag or marvel team up with BP ( this one being the best feat)

from 2 of the battles with Namor
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor1.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor6.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor5.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor4.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor2.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/ddnamor3.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982934-ddvsnamor64og.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982935-ddvsnamor75tn.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/daredevil/1982936-ddvsnamor87ep.jpg.html
Last one was the stalemate from 77.
So he's fought him for about 8 pages where at the end Namor got up before DD after a mutual KO but retreated out of respect for DD's courage. been put down by DD who then tactically withdrew before namor cam back up. Been delayed by DD until he reasoned with him. and put down by a nerve point strike ( the team up one I can't find just now) All I see are scans of Namor curbstomping Daredevil, no-selling Daredevil's direct attacks as mere nuisances,and Daredevil running away for life.

Where in any of those scans is Daredevil bringing Namor down, much less putting down Namor with nerve strikes as you previously stated?

best part of that namor battle: "unpardonable, while i boasted, he acted!"

That DD/Namor fight is great.

But tbh, Matt getting a reaction with punches against a guy who goes head on with Hulk is ridiculous.

Bane tears his head off

Originally posted by ODG
Daredevil's direct attacks as mere nuisances,and Daredevil running away for life.

That's about the size of it.

Golden Guardian's done the same thing against Superman. Ditto Deathstroke vs Wonder Woman, or Cassandra Cain vs Supergirl.

Of course, even using judo tosses and head scissors take-downs on someone as durable and strong as Namor or Superman is total PIS, but not the "Spiderman just knocked Firelord out" variety..

Daredevil is a physically weaker but more agile version of batman .... Bane wins.

Daredevil is way more ruthless than Batman. I can see Bane getting nerve-pinched the fcuk out and having an arm or something broken once matt sees/knows that he's dealing with someone who is a legitimate threat.

Originally posted by cdtm
That DD/Namor fight is great.

But tbh, Matt getting a reaction with punches against a guy who goes head on with Hulk is ridiculous.

most of the battles they have had (5 from memory) have only been delaying actions from matt where he dodges until he gets a luck shot in. the one and only time he did put him down ( which I havent found yet after going through a few dozen DD issues after work the last few days) was basicall a surpise attack nerve strike. Namor was flying away and DD swung up to him. I've also PM'd four members of three forums who I've seen use the scan to give me a link. As soon as I have it I'll post it. Of course Matt would go down in a straight on battle against Namor would be plot. Just like him taking down Herc and IM in his battle with the Avengers was. Golio trying to compare that to Batman drawing blood from someone who is inmervious is like comparing the speed of an arrow to the light of a laser. especially when it wasnt even a feat for the combatant in this fight. Matt has defeated plenty of character easily Bane's equal and superior that are certainly NOT PIS.

Batman has done things similar as well. It's all PIS.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Batman has done things similar as well. It's all PIS.
Batamn taking down the likes of Block Buster, and missure malah isn't PIS because of how it was done (i.e. presure points, weak points, use strength and mass of opponent against them, speed/reflex/skill difference). Anything with Bats vs the likes of Supes is massive PIS. the difference is a massive one.

also as i said Batman has no part in this. it's Bane v DD, Bane doesn't have the feats

Agree to disagree then.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Agree to disagree then.

I see a need to clarify. Blockbuster, Mallah, Namor, Grundy etc are incredibly strong and because of their strength have durability because of their muscle structure. The thing is it's still only muscles, if the muscles can't flex they can't actually do the work muscles do. Strikes to those muscles in the right way or the points between where nerves would be exposed or unprotected joints are exposed by not having incredibly dense muscle to protect them are still able to be damaged by those of much lower strength levels who simply know how to strike correctly. If the tissue of the muscle can flex to allow the person to use it for strength it has to also be susceptible to damage. Will it require greater force? yes, but still doable. Others like Luke Cage have an outer level of durability but not the same high level of muscle density so can be harmed because their muscles are more susceptible but their flesh less.

When you take that level of strength to an even higher level and start adding other layers of protection this vulnerability raises significantly. Superman absorbs solar radiation and as a result generates a force field around his cells from the energy. The idea that you can cause harm to someone with even greater density of tissue COMBINED with impervious skin AND a force field that actually prevents you from even making direct contact

It's like comparing an apple to a coconut. One is very much a harder nut to crack

Daredevil took down guys as strong and as durable as bane indeed, however the thing is bane has also a high degree of fighting skills and speed, something guys like MR HYDE or hammer head dont have.
daredevil is good but i dont see him bypassing someone physically superior to him and also skilled as bane.
bane without the venom would be a good fight for him and eventually daredevil would win.
however bane with venom is too much for daredevil, he is just physically too weak to make any real damage to that bane.
Cap could pull it off thought.

Daredevil has also lost to Crossbones and Punisher, so its not like he routinely beat characters above Bane.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Crossbones/vsDD1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Crossbones/vsDD2.jpg

Originally posted by Supermutant
Daredevil has also lost to Crossbones and Punisher, so its not like he routinely beat characters above Bane.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Crossbones/vsDD1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ebar0159/Crossbones/vsDD2.jpg

to be fair towards daredevil, most of the times he beats up frank, he got a solid win over crossbones(maybe more that i dont know about).
in this fight crossbones did not beat him just ran away while daredevil was under the table.
daredevil has feats such as beating up sabretooth H2H alone.
when he is more serious he demolishes guys like those with lethal techniques of pressure points, and has a fair chance of beating up even guys such as bane on venom due to his skills.