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if you were the president of the united states?

or at the least, improve the situation in the middle east?

what do you mean by the war on terror?

EDIT: one of the best things, imho, that could be done in the middle east would be America ending its support for regiemes like the Saudis and the Egyptians. This support does a lot to polorize more moderate members of the populace, and really tarnishes the image America needs if it wants to be a major player in the regions diplomacy.

yeah, when i wrote that i wasnt sure that was the best way to put it.

by "war on terror" im referring to the US's attempts to combat terrorism, I.E., going after terrorist organizations.

do you mean Muslim terrorism or terrorism in general

I only ask, because the most typical profile for a "terrorist" in America is a white, male, Christian. People don't often talk about invading the cities where abortion doctors are killed though.

muslim terrorism

when i get home later ill think of a better way to phrase tmy question.

****, again, I'm just going to seem like a crazy pedant, but are you interested in what America could do to reduce how often they are targeted? or like, eliminate terrorism in general?

I could see the first being possible, and America has had, and in some ways continues to have, a very strong relationship with moderate elements in the Muslim world. The problem is, military security of resources has prompted a lot of policy decisions that have been good for America's economic and short term security interests, but generally bad for the human rights situation in the middle east. I honestly think one of the best things they could do would be to allow some of the political reform that is begging to happen occur. It might see some nations become less friendly to exploitation by American corporate interests, but maybe that is the cost of not having the citizens of that nation feel like they want to attack America.

The second option I think is entirely out of America's hands. Sure, they could take a harsher stance against Israel, but ultimatley, Hamas isn't going to negotiate peace terms with America.

However, I sort of question this whole interpretation. A lot of the international terrorism, rather than nationalist acts seen in Palestine, is motivated by young Muslim men feeling that there is little for them in the world, feeling alientated in foreign countries, and an overall crisis of masculanity vs modernity that is playing out differently in different parts of the world. It might not even be that they need better role models, and there is nothing America could do about it, but if these young men felt some sort of universal belonging that, imho, is what draws them to these extremeist organizations in the first place, maybe they wouldn't feel that violence is a form of self affirmation.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if you were the president of the united states?

or at the least, improve the situation in the middle east? id say everyone stay on their damn side of the border and there would be no wars.

Originally posted by chomperx9
id say everyone stay on their damn side of the border and there would be no wars.

yes, especially given the international nature of Al Qaeda

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, especially given the international nature of Al Qaeda

he asked i answered. everyone stays where they are citizens there would be no problems.

the longest you can visit another country is for one week. at imigration you get an electric wrist band that has a timer. if your not back in your country before the timer goes off you get a big electic shock that puts you in a coma but doesnt kill you. then from there they find your body and see your imigration showing where your from and send your body back to where you came from.

if you try to remove the wristband imigration is notified by satelite and you have to pay a huge fine and they send you back and you are no longer allowed to visit another country again for breaking the rules.

Originally posted by inimalist
do you mean Muslim terrorism or terrorism in general

I only ask, because the most typical profile for a "terrorist" in America is a white, male, Christian. People don't often talk about invading the cities where abortion doctors are killed though. naw the french whites & blacks in canada have the #1 military terrorists

wow...

Originally posted by inimalist
wow... i quit playing WOW

Originally posted by chomperx9
i quit playing WOW
First intelligent thing you've ever posted on here.

I don't know about now, but I had a pretty solid (IMO) idea for the US dominating political events after 9/11 happened. Mmkay, after 9/11 we had the entire world's sympathy, right? So, we invade Afghanistan (the only thing we managed to do right.) Kick their asses nice and thoroughly.

Now then, Saddam's felt our military might before firsthand. And he's pissed at us, true. But he'd also be nervous as hell, seeing as we're right there next to him. Thus, we talk...he's entered into alliances with us before, we've even given him missiles and money. We do again and induce him to attack Iran. Iraq and Iran hate each other anyway, it wouldn't take much provocation.

Now, either Iraq wins, or Iran wins, or they both destroy each other. It doesn't matter, really, because whichever side is left will be so weak that we sweep in from Afghanistan and finish them off.

At the same time, we have North Korea to deal with, and that small-dicked Jong Il bastard. China was downright pissed off to find out that they had nuclear missiles. Japan is our ally. So is South Korea. We cut a deal with China and Japan to organize a Chinese-led invasion of NK then and rid ourselves of them. To convince China, we'd offer economic incentives and a few of our divisions. No big deal. Again, China wants to stop North Korea, and we'd have good rapport at this point with the world.

Now, we've got Egypt and Syria to deal with - but that's incredibly easy to solve. Iraq and Iran are either gone or in our hands. As is Afghanistan. Pakistan and India are our allies. The UAE is, too. They have absolutely zero immediate allies save for Saudi Arabia, who are too frightened to come to anyone's aid. Completely isolated, they could be forced into giving us oil, disarming, or doing whatever else we want. And if all else fails - we give Israel the Green Light to invade. They've wanted to for ages and our policies have kept them back.

Our only "non" friendly threats at this point would be China and Russia. China doesn't want us to fall. They make up 26% of our investments. They need us like we need them. Besides that, we'd have just made an alliance with them. We use our now immensely more powerful influence (through the masterful game of playing nation against nation) to keep Russia weak and under our influence, and thus all of our major threats are dealt with and under control, without us coming off as looking "bad" in the least.

It would've been awesome, if Bush had half of a brain and knew the meaning of subtlety.

Nuke afghanistan, pakistan and anyone else, then nuke'em again and again until their is nothing left

Originally posted by chomperx9
he asked i answered. everyone stays where they are citizens there would be no problems.

the longest you can visit another country is for one week. at imigration you get an electric wrist band that has a timer. if your not back in your country before the timer goes off you get a big electic shock that puts you in a coma but doesnt kill you. then from there they find your body and see your imigration showing where your from and send your body back to where you came from.

if you try to remove the wristband imigration is notified by satelite and you have to pay a huge fine and they send you back and you are no longer allowed to visit another country again for breaking the rules.

That would only work if all terrorists came from outside a country and if terrorism always took more than one week to pull off and if terrorists were highly respectful of the laws nations they intended to attack.

Call Batman.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if you were the president of the united states?

or at the least, improve the situation in the middle east?

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speed racer looks a little cross eyed in your avatar

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
speed racer looks a little cross eyed in your avatar You look a little cross eyed.

aw.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
aw.


Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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I'd stay out of it. Anger them enough and they'll be ready to come back and lay us out again, because in my opinion we shouldn't have even went over there. When the troops were sent over to Iraq, they took their concentration off of Afghanistan and the terrorist groups started getting stronger. That's the reason why they're sending marines to Afghanistan now.

The war is about these terrorist groups and nuclear weapons. Even if the weapon issue is concluded, this is something that can't be solved unless the terrorist are completely wiped out, but I don't see that happening.

Leave the area, let 'em attack again. Nuke 'em. Problem solved.

If it was that simple don't you think it would have been done by now? They don't want to risk another attack and they don't want to blow innocent people to oblivion.

place equal value on life and business ethics and laws..

if we start taking some of their claims seriously and start investigating corporate irresponsibility on pressing criminal charges it might solve some problems..

we would also need to stop supporting tyrannical governments just to get a decent price on oil or keep them from selling to others..

basically we get what we put in and we have ourselves caused their disdain toward us.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That would only work if all terrorists came from outside a country and if terrorism always took more than one week to pull off and if terrorists were highly respectful of the laws nations they intended to attack. they usually do come from outside the country.

it all started with Jews. It'll end with Jews.

umm thats hollywood and world banks

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
umm thats hollywood and world banks

aswell as..

Originally posted by Juk3n
it all started with Jews. It'll end with Jews. the terrorism started with the jews ?

it was the muslims that started it all and sitll goes on today. war over their gods. they take that religion stuff way to damn serious. trey parker and matt strone got some threats from some muslims because of the muhammad episode. was a little humor big deal. theres abunch of jesus episodes where they put him down. you dont see jews or christians making terrorist threats over that

actually i would agree constantly trying to over throw governments like the romans all the way back thousands of yrs..

jeez, sorry ms marvel...

what? o.o

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
actually i would agree constantly trying to over throw governments like the romans all the way back thousands of yrs..

No no, violence was invented by Islam. Don't you know anything about history?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No no, violence was invented by Islam. Don't you know anything about history? no one invented violence. its been around since the 1st day there was life on earth

This is a difficult question to answer. I've heard a few solutions.

1. Just get out of the middle east!! We're keeping the radicals united!
The problem with this is us being that it's not exactly accurate. While some factions ARE united, as a whole, the middle east fundamentalism is largely divided, and our presence is causing that division. If we leave, they will slowly unite against us and Israel. Our foreign policy has always been the ardent support of Israel, so we would not allow this.

2. Keep doing what we are doing.
This isn't working either. Rather, it's showing some progress but it's been 8-9 years, and thousands of our troops have died needlessly. If the mighty Soviets couldn't do anything in the Middle East in the 70s, what exactly are we going to accomplish? We're fighting in a land with thousands of miles of mountains and plenty of hiding spots. We're not going to find what we want.

The reason I don't really post my opinion, is because it can be considered quite radical even by conservatives, while "bloodlust" by the Liberals. I believe in the eye for an eye concept to an extent. They suicide bomb innocent civilians, we round up the captured prisoners and execute them. They blow up a building, we blow up one of their complexes. I don't believe in the "moral high ground" argument because sooner or later, there won't be anyone alive to take the "moral high ground". Anyways, that's just a run down version of what I think.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
actually i would agree constantly trying to over throw governments like the romans all the way back thousands of yrs..
What were you agreeing with? Jews trying to overthrow the Romans, Christians trying to overthrow the Romans, or...Islam?

Originally posted by Enyalus
What were you agreeing with? Jews trying to overthrow the Romans, Christians trying to overthrow the Romans, or...Islam? The Jews tried to overthrow the Roman Government? Lol

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The Jews tried to overthrow the Roman Government? Lol
To an extent...yes. Never heard of the fall of Masada in 72-3 AD?

Originally posted by Enyalus
To an extent...yes. Never heard of the fall of Masada in 72-3 AD?

I'm Jewish with an extended knowledge of my people, and I've been to Masada. It's called "The Last Stand" for a reason, so when you say to an extent, you're REALLY reaching.

Originally posted by Enyalus
What were you agreeing with? Jews trying to overthrow the Romans, Christians trying to overthrow the Romans, or...Islam? its all the same... a rose is still a rose by any other name..

anyways i dont care what happens to them as long as they leave a few of them alone like my natalie portman..

i also said "trying"...

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm Jewish with an extended knowledge of my people, and I've been to Masada. It's called "The Last Stand" for a reason, so when you say to an extent, you're REALLY reaching.
Awesome. So you know that Masada was part of the the first Great Revolt, followed later by the Kitos War and then the Bar Kokhba's revolt. All three involved them attempting to overthrow the Roman government in their region like WS seemed to indicate.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Awesome. So you know that Masada was part of the the first Great Revolt, followed later by the Kitos War and then the Bar Kokhba's revolt. All three involved them attempting to overthrow the Roman government in their region like WS seemed to indicate.

Yes, I'm aware of the Judeo-Roman War and it's three stages. I'm glad you're finally using Wikipedia. And there's a difference between "revolting against conversion to another religion and destruction of one's own religion" and "trying to overthrow a government."

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Yes, I'm aware of the Judeo-Roman War and it's three stages. I'm glad you're finally using Wikipedia.
Only because I forgot how to spell 'Bar Kokhba.'
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
And there's a difference between "revolting against conversion to another religion and destruction of one's own religion" and "trying to overthrow a government."
My understanding of it was that they attempted to overthrow the Roman government in the Syria/Jerusalem region because of the religious aspect and persecution. Which would still qualify to me. *shrug*

Originally posted by chomperx9
he asked i answered. everyone stays where they are citizens there would be no problems.

the longest you can visit another country is for one week. at imigration you get an electric wrist band that has a timer. if your not back in your country before the timer goes off you get a big electic shock that puts you in a coma but doesnt kill you. then from there they find your body and see your imigration showing where your from and send your body back to where you came from.

if you try to remove the wristband imigration is notified by satelite and you have to pay a huge fine and they send you back and you are no longer allowed to visit another country again for breaking the rules. Oh dear God...

Shrinking everyone! It makes sense, if we're all super small, it would make using huge ass objects really hard, so therefore terrorism would have to wait, and thus take such a loooooong time to come due to everyone tryin' to survive under a new size.

/non-realistic thought

Originally posted by Scythe
Shrinking everyone! It makes sense, if we're all super small, it would make using huge ass objects really hard, so therefore terrorism would have to wait, and thus take such a loooooong time to come due to everyone tryin' to survive under a new size.

/non-realistic thought

It'd solve global warming. We could all run on solar, as the technology is now. Food problems solved.


Etc.

1- Stop giving that much support to Israel
2- Talk them down, showing respect
3- Keeping my cool
4- Show the world how much USA roxx, and how I'm cool and patient and totally awesome

and
5- discredit non cool dudes, but in any time, I'd make war


Obama was on a good track in his first months, but he seems to have ****ed it all. Still, there's hope.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
what? o.o

it seems like a thread you were serious about quickly took a turn to the absurd...

oh. well thats just how kmc works

i knew the risks

I'd bring the Islamites the following:

-Jesus

-Second Amendment of the United States Constitution

-McDonalds

-Coca-Cola

This would appease them and turn them civilized, problem fixed.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It'd solve global warming.
Global warming is a lie. awesome

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if you were the president of the united states?

or at the least, improve the situation in the middle east? Stop invading other countries, to not piss the people there off to become terrorists.

just roll a giant k3 doobie and pass it to the terrorists...that stuff is good incense ..lol

treat it like a domestic threat.

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, especially given the international nature of Al Qaeda



Yes, we are all inclined to believe 5 men with a printer and a camera in a cave run an internationally based terrorist organisation that will destroy USA, SO efficiently and SO discreetly that even USA cannot find and destroy them, possessing the best technology world has ever known.

Well, I'm convinced.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes, we are all inclined to believe 5 men with a printer and a camera in a cave run an internationally based terrorist organisation that will destroy USA, SO efficiently and SO discreetly that even USA cannot find and destroy them, possessing the best technology world has ever known.

Well, I'm convinced.

...?

shutting down all boarders wouldn't stop al qaeda because in many cases they recruit people who are born within that nation.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if you were the president of the united states?

or at the least, improve the situation in the middle east? Hand over the Bush family.

i would seriously have bush anwser to a world court for some of his blatant disregards of international laws also charge him with violation of american laws...

next withdraw troops from the saudi arabia kingdom prior to this tell the ppl of the middle east we will no longer suppress a people in order to get a good deal on oil. that it is criminal to do so and no army will be used as an economical leverage.. also although we will no longer interfere with politics of the region will not stand by and allow state sponsored terrorism and if we find out terrorist are given shelter and aid in ones country we will declare war on the country and will not help pay for the rebuilding.. ppl of said country need to keep their government from causing such attacks...

lots of things we can do..

Originally posted by Bicnarok
For example if the world banks decided to take over everything and squash the average person like a grape with financial pressure, internment camps and SS style police. And these "average" people got a bit upset and decided to kick ass, then would you support attacking these "Terrorists".

If you wanna start something like that just call I'm in

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The word "Terrorist" is used too often nowadays, as a branding iron to make an excuse for attacking certain groups.

Anther problem is certain "terrorist" states are tolerated othes are not, take Israel for example, what they are doing and are allowed to get away with is beyond belief imo.

Originally posted by inimalist
...?

shutting down all boarders wouldn't stop al qaeda because in many cases they recruit people who are born within that nation.

From a cave?!

If Al qa'idah is an international organisation than someone must be running it, from somewhere. It must have a common purpose, common goals and common targets, and people who are answering to SOMEBODY.
And if those people are answering to some old dude, with kidney failure in a cave - well than that has got to beat every single ridiculous conspiracy theory. David Icke, move over.

This whole Al qu'aidah explanation sounds like some kind of conspiracy between few Arab countries and a secret organisation.

In order to run an INTERNATIONAL network of terrorists, one must have some good contacts, some goddamned discreet-stealth-super-ninja people who can infiltrate every goddamned place and with that be able to brief people from every enemy country in the world on the goals and activities without being detected by the West and other anti-terrorism governments.

The point is, existence of such thing as al qu'aidah is just so ridiculous to me.
It's just a name that is thrown about here and there to make people shit themselves and beg for protection.

The whole idea of ''war on terror'' is just ridiculous in itself, and everyone knows this, but if you give it a name, such as al qu-aidah, then you're fighting a specific thing, and it works better for people to go ''aaaah, yes, al qu-aidah, yes war on terror, makes sense''.

Just lots of ridiculous crap. War on terror is a ridiculous concept - but not if you give it a name and make it a ultra secret organisation status - THEY COULD BE WATCHING YOU NOW, AND BLOWING YOU UP TOMORROW!!!! ZOMyGoodness!!

If that isn't scaremongering, I don't know what is.

??

what is it that you think I'm saying?

Originally posted by inimalist
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what is it that you think I'm saying?

I understood as - that ''war on terror'' is the war against this al qu'aidah, an organisation I very much doubt exists.

Terrorism of course exists, but I don't think global terrorism is something called al qu'aida and I don't think it is an international organisation.
Every generation has a bogeyman - it was the Russians, then communism, then drugs, then global warming, now terrorism.

ok, my point was that closing international boarders to travel and immigration was not going to stop terrorism

Other solution is for people to stop overreacting.

k3 would werk...

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
Other solution is for people to stop overreacting. And who in your opinion is over reacting?

Originally posted by Bicnarok

The word "Terrorist" is used too often nowadays, as a branding iron to make an excuse for attacking certain groups.

Anther problem is certain "terrorist" states are tolerated othes are not, take Israel for example, what they are doing and are allowed to get away with is beyond belief imo.
As Parmaniac said -

the war on terror is bullshit. its fake. its unreal. its bogus.

open your goddamn eyes.

The Antichrist is here.

run for the hills!! ppl!! the sky is falling..

by the way we know that "the war on terror" is asinine and lil bitchiness already gave good reasons for. no one to convince here and unsubstantiated comments and simple soundbite quotes is why ppl ignore certain ppl both on a forum and on tv..

ppl need to do more then ramble like a conspiracy theorist and be professional if they want their point of view respected and given credibility

so if you know the truth then why do u stand for it?

yo, the war on terror is fake, how dare you address the OP's question instead of self-indungant egotistical chest thumping!

Originally posted by inimalist
yo, the war on terror is fake, how dare you address the OP's question instead of self-indungant egotistical chest thumping!

Oh, I'm sorry!

Btw, it's sucks hard that the Habs were eliminated. DAMN YOU, FLYERS!

ya, but seriously, seeing any of the original 6 (except detroit) in the finals is always a good time

Originally posted by Deano
so if you know the truth then why do u stand for it? what do you recommend i do?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
And who in your opinion is over reacting?


The US citizens, going after terrorists is one thing, invading countryes is an another and lets not forget 3000 people died during 911 and the thing got more publicity worldwide then the Haiti catastrophe.

what about Haiti? thats where voodoo comes from right?

So?

You think they made a pact with the devil?

These terrorists exist due to Western exploitation.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what do you recommend i do?

inform others of the deceit. wake others up.

do what you think is right for humanity's future !

There is only one way to deal with terrorism...,




"Nuke the site and head for orbit"

-LT corporal Hicks. (Aliens)



If that one was to nerdy for you liberals, how about...,"fight fire with fire"



Look at history. Any time terrorism has been combated using peaceful tactics. The result was seen by the terrorists succeeding.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There is only one way to deal with terrorism...,




"Nuke the site and head for orbit"

-LT corporal Hicks. (Aliens)



If that one was to nerdy for you liberals, how about...,"fight fire with fire"



Look at history. Any time terrorism has been combated using peaceful tactics. The result was seen by the terrorists succeeding.

Swear to god, I came into this thread, jut now, purely with the intent to make that Aliens reference.

jinXed posted:

"
Look at history. Any time terrorism has been combated using peaceful tactics. The result was seen by the terrorists succeeding."

Why are there no bombings in Norther Irealand then?


Sometimes terrorists just give up realising they cannot really gain anything like in Western Europe.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There is only one way to deal with terrorism...,




"Nuke the site and head for orbit"

-LT corporal Hicks. (Aliens)



If that one was to nerdy for you liberals, how about...,"fight fire with fire"



Look at history. Any time terrorism has been combated using peaceful tactics. The result was seen by the terrorists succeeding.


That creates martyrs and more terrorists.

Originally posted by Liberator
These terrorists exist due to Western exploitation.
Yes.

I am sure in the near future you'll be hearing a lot of a new global threat called Jundullah.
This may be used to screw about with Iran.

Jundullah - coming soon to a news cast near you.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes.

I am sure in the near future you'll be hearing a lot of a new global threat called Jundullah.
This may be used to screw about with Iran.

Jundullah - coming soon to a news cast near you.

I read up on them a little bit, it seems they are funded by the US, what do you mean it will be used a scapegoat to invade Iran?

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There is only one way to deal with terrorism...,




"Nuke the site and head for orbit"

-LT corporal Hicks. (Aliens)



If that one was to nerdy for you liberals, how about...,"fight fire with fire"



Look at history. Any time terrorism has been combated using peaceful tactics. The result was seen by the terrorists succeeding.

Can you gives some exemple?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Can you gives some exemple?

Agreed.

Originally posted by Liberator
I read up on them a little bit, it seems they are funded by the US, what do you mean it will be used a scapegoat to invade Iran?

No, I meant they will be used to destabilise Iran via USA training/help akin to Taliban (not the same scenario, but the same idea), then USA will come in to 'save the day', and Iran is now Afghaniraq.

You are very clever, that makes complete sense to me. Only fools make the same mistake twice, let's see how true that statement becomes.

n4H_E8b-qmo

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZd3iCknZU&feature=related
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRWAyM26YV8&feature=related
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ9Amuri6G8&feature=related
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ullkbVCL8&feature=related

Just to prove my point

I like his first reference about the president in Chile. Very true, people forget all to easily about the past.

Originally posted by Liberator
I like his first reference about the president in Chile. Very true, people forget all to easily about the past. I liked that he "mentions" that the united states have a connection to Osama bin Laden, nowadays he's treated like an antichrist that just showed up all of the sudden to fight america...

I would impregnate all their women.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if you were the president of the united states?

or at the least, improve the situation in the middle east?

first I would clean up our own corrupt government first-we need to fix america first,of course kennedy tried and he died for that.Then I would worry about that after our own government got cleaned up which they havent been able to do for the past 60 years or so and counting.

Exactly great point.