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The most badass 100+ old fictitious human I've ever come across, and the most badass girl in the series, square off.

Fight takes place in the courtyard of the Royal Palace of Ba Sing Se.

Who wins?

I think, *right now*, Bumi is the more powerful, though Toph has metal bending and tremorsense in her favor.

It'd be an epic fight but due to there not being much metal around, probably goes to Bumi. In 10 years, though, Toph'll be even better than he is.

I'd have to agree with you. Bumi has much more experience and while Toph may give him a hard time, he'll win.

bhumi has more eccentric moves also, hard to keep up with if he's being serious

bumi isnt the best earthbender ever for nothing. while toph is good and damn good at that, unless its a metal bending competition, shes going down, but after an awesome fight.

They don't just hand the King title to anyone. Bumi wins, but Toph would give him some go. Bumi can bend with his nose, which wouldn't create a tremor...

btw, Azula and Katara would both like to have a word with you about this "most badass girl" thing.

This has been done in the comics btw, and it was a tie, but personally I think Toph has the edge via tremorsense.

I need to check out those comics.

Originally posted by marwash22
They don't just hand the King title to anyone. Bumi wins, but Toph would give him some go. Bumi can bend with his nose, which wouldn't create a tremor...

btw, Azula and Katara would both like to have a word with you about this "most badass girl" thing.

Interesting how all three have advanced forms of bending- Azula has her lightning, the strongest offensive move of the three, Katara can beat *anyone* on a full moon, and Toph's metal bending is the more flexible, letting her use some really nice bending material. Of course if one counts tremorsense, then that's two advanced bending abilities. And Toph *invented* both of hers.... so yep, Toph's the most badass

Originally posted by marwash22
They don't just hand the King title to anyone. Bumi wins, but Toph would give him some go. Bumi can bend with his nose, which wouldn't create a tremor...

btw, Azula and Katara would both like to have a word with you about this "most badass girl" thing.

Azula is just a paranoid psychopath. The only reason I'd consider her to be badass is because of her Blue Flames.

Katara could be badass, but she's nowhere near the level of Toph, who in addition to being one of the best benders in the series, is blind and can bend something no-one else can; very well at that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This has been done in the comics btw, and it was a tie, but personally I think Toph has the edge via tremorsense.

Damn, really? Were either of them serious?

Bumi was able to bend while he wasn't even in contact with the earth, and he was casually chucking houses. Not to mention, he lifted a huge metal statue from like a mile away.

& He eats rocks

Originally posted by Q99
Interesting how all three have advanced forms of bending- Azula has her lightning, the strongest offensive move of the three, Katara can beat *anyone* on a full moon, and Toph's metal bending is the more flexible, letting her use some really nice bending material. Of course if one counts tremorsense, then that's two advanced bending abilities. And Toph *invented* both of hers.... so yep, Toph's the most badass

Azula also has Blue Fire.

As serious as you can get without actually trying to kill or majorly wound the other. They wanted to see which was the better Earthbender and neither could beat the other before the Gaang broke them up.

Toph held up that entire library remember, and that thing was huge.

Also, Azula took over an entire country basically by herself, basically through sheer awesomeness. Thats more badass than either of the other two.

where do i find these comics OMFG O_O

I just flicked through it in WHSmith's. *shrugs* It really wasn't that great.

poopy.

*edit* I think I found it! This?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Katara could be badass, but she's nowhere near the level of Toph, who in addition to being one of the best benders in the series, is blind and can bend something no-one else can; very well at that.

I'd say she's pretty close- that Azula fight was awesome.





True, but that's really pretty minor. It seems to make the impact of the flames a bit more, but it doesn't make the attacks particularly harder to defend against by the looks of it.

I think it's more a sign of her emotional state than anything else.

Originally posted by Q99

I'd say she's pretty close- that Azula fight was awesome.


True, but that's really pretty minor. It seems to make the impact of the flames a bit more, but it doesn't make the attacks particularly harder to defend against by the looks of it.

I think it's more a sign of her emotional state than anything else.

EDIT: Doesn't the first scan say Round 1?

Perhaps, but IMO, Toph also has the more badass personality between herself and Katara.

I thought her Blue Fire was hotter than the normal Red Fire as well? It's more powerful (concussive) as well.
Typically, it's Zuko who has no trouble blocking her fire in Book 3. I think others have found it harder to block her flames.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As serious as you can get without actually trying to kill or majorly wound the other. They wanted to see which was the better Earthbender and neither could beat the other before the Gaang broke them up.

Toph held up that entire library remember, and that thing was huge.

Also, Azula took over an entire country basically by herself, basically through sheer awesomeness. Thats more badass than either of the other two.

Ahh, yeah, forgot she did that. It did take everything she had though; sure the sand was a factor...
(Oh yeah, she can sand-bend as well, but I don't think there is any sand in the palace of Ba Sing Se)

And Azula became deranged a month or two later. Totally badass amirite 313

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Perhaps, but IMO, Toph also has the more badass personality between herself and Katara.

I thought her Blue Fire was hotter than the normal Red Fire as well? It's more powerful (concussive) as well.
Typically, it's Zuko who has no trouble blocking her fire in Book 3. I think others have found it harder to block her flames.

It has more concussive force, but that doesn't make it noticeably harder to counter-bend against from what I've seen, it just makes it do more damage to what it hits.

Katara pretty much always did well against Azula- in the "Crossroads of Destiny," she did better against her than she did against Zuko.

Originally posted by Q99
It has more concussive force, but that doesn't make it noticeably harder to counter-bend against from what I've seen, it just makes it do more damage to what it hits.

Katara pretty much always did well against Azula- in the "Crossroads of Destiny," she did better against her than she did against Zuko.

Not unless someone defends against it with a wall or something like Aang usually does, instead of dissipating it like Zuko does.
She does manage to evaporate Katara's water though, I don't think Zuko did that.

I always thought Azula wasn't fighting to defeat Katara in that ep, rather, she was waiting for Zuko to join her.
Fair enough though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

I always thought Azula wasn't fighting to defeat Katara in that ep, rather, she was waiting for Zuko to join her.
Fair enough though.

There was a part where they we facing in bending and Katara really got the best of her, trapping two limbs in water and was about to slam her into the ground, and only a last minute save from Zuko prevented serious damage.


It might be Azula's just not as good against water style as she is against fire/ Katara's better against Azula's style than Zuko's.

zuko has more real-world experience against other benders than azula.

Are we forgetting how dominant Azula is in combat? The only time she has ever been bested is when she had that psychological meltdown.

Toph > Azula > Katara

But the Toph vs Azula thing is debatable. I honestly believe that Azula would win a fight against Toph because she is entirely more clever and ruthless.

Also, i don't care what happened in comics... that are made for children. If Bumi and Toph fought in all seriousness, with their lives on the line, Bumi wins!

Toph got more potential. She learnt bending at such an early age and figured out how to bend metal so fast that I think in few years she'd beat Bumi. But at this point he'd win. Too experienced.

Also yeah Azula would beat Toph more times than not. And she's only badass because she's a crazy b!tch, if the show was made for adults only she'd be murdering people for the heck of it.

PS: An interesting question- can Aang bend metal, redirrect lightnings and do the blood thing (like Katara) in avatar state? I mean we've never seen him do that but itd be crazy to assume that the previous avatars didnt know how to do that.

No, each of those things were invented by people with no way the Avatars could know about. Toph invented Metalbending and I don't recall her teaching it too Aang, Iroh invented Lightning redirection and he certainly never taught it to him and Hama invented Bloodbending, taught it to Katara and like Toph, its never mentioned about whether she taught it to Aang. But probably not.

Whaaaaa?

We've seen Aang use lightning redirection in the show. Iroh taught Zuko, Zuko taught Aang. He used it in his fight against Ozai.

Considering Aang has used seismicsense in his fight versus Ozai, i would think he can also see the particles in metal and bend them.

Theoretically, all high level waterbenders can bloodbend.

he doesn't need the avatar state to do any of these.

Originally posted by marwash22
Are we forgetting how dominant Azula is in combat? The only time she has ever been bested is when she had that psychological meltdown.

Toph > Azula > Katara

No, in the Crossroads of Destiny, Katara was beating Azula, head-on. Azula at full.




Especially water benders, which is probably a tricky style for Fire to fight.

Azula can find Fire benders to practice with but I can't see when she'd have any opportunity to face one before Katara, a master, while Zuko's been fighting Katara and Aang (who for a long time only had water and air) constantly.

Errr...... *runs away really fast* I knew that!

edit: Though I still really doubt he can metal or bloodbend.

hes got the potential, but he doesnt know how at the end of the show.

Originally posted by Q99
No, in the Crossroads of Destiny, Katara was beating Azula, head-on. Azula at full. Azula at full? is that a joke?

Azula was fighting under the worst possible circumstances.

She was about a mile underground, where there was no sun and she was fighting against a person who uses the element in which her own element is naturally weak against. All that and Katara was barely beating her. The one moment Katara caught her off guard with the warter arms doesn't count as a win, there's no evidence that Azula would have lost without Zuko's interference.

You're missing my point guys. I dont know if Aang was TOUGHT to do that. But he doesnt need to. I was talking about his avtar state, like when he gets experience of ALL previous avatars. Its just I find it hard to believe that Toph figured out how to bend metal while hundreds of generations of avatars didnt. Or that noone of them figured out the bloodbending. Aang himself might not know how to do that but imo he should definitely be able to do that in AS, since if at least one of the avatars knew how to do it Aang in AS should know as well.

Oh, ok. So basically you're asking how it's possible that none of the previous Avatar's knew how to blood and metal bend.

I think it's more of a question of perception, than it is skill. I'm sure that, let's say, Kyoshi, was skilled enough to metalbend, it's just that, she never perceived the possiblity of doing so. The only reason Toph ever discovered it is because of he unique circumstance. So, I'm sure if there had ever been a blind earthbender/avatar, they would have created Metalbending first.

As for Bloodbending, it came about in much the same way Toph's metalbending did. The unique circumstances that no one before her had ever been in, is what led her to the realization of bending the water inside of people.

Blood bending has a tradtion behind it
Im sure one of the avatars could do it at some point

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Blood bending has a tradtion behind it
Im sure one of the avatars could do it at some point where was there ever mention of a bloodbending tradition?

Blood bending was something Hama came up with.
Katara's the only person that Hama taught. Outside of those two, no other person is known to bloodbend.

Unless Hama somehow catches an Avatar, or one of the Avatars is smart enough to realize that they can bend the water inside a person's body, the Avatars will not learn it.
Katara will certainly not teach it to Aang, given her view of the technique. Heck, I doubt she'd even use it, unless someone has royally pissed her off.

I'll go with Bumi to be honest. Not really looking at feats here but going straight from the fact that, the members of the white lotus seem stronger than the main group. Then again, I think I prefer Toph more.

Did hama come up with it?

I thought she learned it from someone

Nah, it was while she was imprisoned in the Fire nation. She practiced on rats iirc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, it was while she was imprisoned in the Fire nation. She practiced on rats iirc.

yup.

if anyone else knew bloodbending, they clearly kept their mouths shut.

Originally posted by marwash22
Azula at full? is that a joke?

Azula was fighting under the worst possible circumstances.

She was about a mile underground, where there was no sun and she was fighting against a person who uses the element in which her own element is naturally weak against. All that and Katara was barely beating her. The one moment Katara caught her off guard with the warter arms doesn't count as a win, there's no evidence that Azula would have lost without Zuko's interference.

Firebenders don't get weaker just because they're underground that we've seen, but with the day-night cycle.

And I'll note that Zuko was doing noticeably better than Katara in the same circumstances. Katara was on the offensive against Azula but made no progress against Zuko.

I'm not saying they're solar powered, but I'm fairly certain that their firebending is stronger while directly under the sun.

pfft! You're taking the Zuko vs Katara scene a little too far. They were fighting equally only because they were both doing the thing were they wrap their arms in fire/water... kinda like whips. Like i said before, Katara caught Azula off gaurd with that move, but could have easily done the same thing Zuko did to counter it. Azula switched to fighting Aang and we never truly get to see another fight between the two girls.

I dunno how this turned into Azula vs. Katara, we're supposed to be debating Bumi v Toph, lol.

Bumi has more raw power because of his age and experience, but Toph is more versatile because she actually learned Earthbending from Badger Moles, and her blindness gives her a really good edge against other Earthbenders.

The only way I see an Azula/Katara fight ending is in a passionate, tangle of sweaty body parts after a let's make love, not war session. Aang of course is over in the corner with his mouth stuck on the floor from the awesomeness of the Avatar's luck.

http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/images/win_button.jpg

For all we know blood and metal bending have been discovered by some avatars centuries ago but were forgotten and not used ever since and Hama and Toph simply rediscovered it, it doesnt mean they're the only ones who knew how to do it. Are you guys saying that in full moon Katara can beat the crap outta bloodlusted Aang in avatar state using bloodbending? I doubt it.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, assuming he can't bend while being blood-bent, which since, iirc, he completely failed to use bending on Hama, he probably can't.

But he wasnt in avatar state when he fought Hama so bloodbending was out of question. Are you saying that if it was Katara instead of Ozai who fought Aang and it was full moon she'd sh!tstomp him?

If you can think of a way he can get around bloodbending, I'm all ears.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If you can think of a way he can get around bloodbending, I'm all ears. I cant think of anythink tbh. That's the reason I asked that question about bloodbending. I think that in avatar state Aang should be able to bloodbend as well, because its unlikely that hundreds of generations of avatars never discovered that ability. But im not gonna insist since there's no proof of that. Its just I have a hard time believing that Katara is THE MOST powerful being in avatar universe. If that was the case Hama would've murdered Ozai years ago. Who needs that stupid avatar to keep world at peace.

katara was able to stop hama from controlling her body, so the avatar state should be able to do that easily. anyone else besides waterbenders would be complete pawns in her hands tho


hamas an old woman and she cant bloodbend all of ozais guards at once.

bloodbending can be countered by a waterbender as katara did vs hama before she learned how to use it.

Originally posted by KingD19
The only way I see an Azula/Katara fight ending is in a passionate, tangle of sweaty body parts after a let's make love, not war session. Aang of course is over in the corner with his mouth stuck on the floor from the awesomeness of the Avatar's luck.

hmm

I think you won the threadz.

Because imagining a 14 year old girl & a 15 year old girl being lesboz is fun?

Its not pedo if they're just cartoons. smurph

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Because imagining a 14 year old girl & a 15 year old girl being lesboz is fun?

They'd be closer to 18, now.+


Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not pedo if they're just cartoons. smurph



It isn't Pedo at all since those two characters were shown to be pubescent.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not pedo if they're just cartoons. smurph

In Australia, cartoon child porn = child porn ha-son

Originally posted by dadudemon
They'd be closer to 18, now.+


That really has no weight, since we only see them when they are 14 & 15.

Also, the entire series was aired for a period of over 3 years, and yet the events in the series only take place over a period of one year (i.e. from Aang's awakening to the defeat of Ozai, there's only an ~1 year gap).

Conclusion: Time passes differently in the Avatar-verse. There's no way they'd be anywhere near 18 now 313

why in the blue spirit fVck are we talking about child porn and pedophilia? this thread has gone to hell.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
In Australia, cartoon child porn = child porn ha-son



That really has no weight, since we only see them when they are 14 & 15.

Also, the entire series was aired for a period of over 3 years, and yet the events in the series only take place over a period of one year (i.e. from Aang's awakening to the defeat of Ozai, there's only an ~1 year gap).

Conclusion: Time passes differently in the Avatar-verse. There's no way they'd be anywhere near 18 now 313
So if I think that this pic is kinda hot im a pedo?

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1610/tyleebydanigunz.jpg

Originally posted by SamZED
So if I think that this pic is kinda hot im a pedo?

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1610/tyleebydanigunz.jpg No!

that doesn't really qualify with what is being discussed... still dont know why it's being discussed though. That picture isn't canon to the series, it's a fan drawing of what she'd look like as an adult, not what she actually looks like... completely different.

It would make you a pedo, or at least someone with pedophilic tendencies, if you were to think Pan, from DBGT was hot.... but not if you imagine her as an adult.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
In Australia, cartoon child porn = child porn ha-son



That really has no weight, since we only see them when they are 14 & 15.

Also, the entire series was aired for a period of over 3 years, and yet the events in the series only take place over a period of one year (i.e. from Aang's awakening to the defeat of Ozai, there's only an ~1 year gap).

Conclusion: Time passes differently in the Avatar-verse. There's no way they'd be anywhere near 18 now 313

Could be true, but I'm not too worried about. I was just going along with the joke.

Should Aang be concidered a pedo since he's a 112 year old dude who's making out with a 14 year old girl?

Originally posted by SamZED
Should Aang be concidered a pedo since he's a 112 year old dude who's making out with a 14 year old girl?

Naaaah, chronologically he's 112, but being in suspended animation stopped the aging process, he's still 12 in body, mind, spirit, etc... If anything, when Katara hits 18, she'll be a pedo because is only 16.

Originally posted by KingD19
Naaaah, chronologically he's 112, but being in suspended animation stopped the aging process, he's still 12 in body, mind, spirit, etc... If anything, when Katara hits 18, she'll be a pedo because is only 16. that's just awesome for Aang, not pedophilia.

You guys toss around "pedophilia" on anything.

Did you guys know that a 40 year old man having sex with a 13 year old girl could NOT be pedophilia? Depends on the sexual maturity of that female.

On the same token, did you guys know that a 20 year old man having sex with a 25 year old woman could be pedophilia? Again, it's based on the sexual maturity. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to sexually immature people. If a lady hasn't sexually matured, looks..say...10 or 11, but is over 18, a man having sex with her would still be a pedophile if he was attracted to that type of body because it's a state of mind.



On the same token, a 40 year old woman having sex with a 13 year old male, if he is fully sexually mature and looks like a man, she is NOT a pedophile. Not even close.

Again, it is the sexual attraction to perceived age, that constitutes pedophilia or not pedophilia.

Also, in Katara's case, if she is not fully sexually mature, adults being attracted to her would not be pedophilia, it would be ephebophilia or hebephilia.

/psychology lesson.

semantics! you knew exactly what the point was; flexing your knowledge on the subject of sex with minors is not impressive... it's creepy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Could be true, but I'm not too worried about. I was just going along with the joke.

I know.
I was just pointing out their ages, but then this whole pedo thing started.
Interesting how a Bumi vs. Toph thread went to a bending battle between Katara & Azula, to Katara bending over to Azula, to a discussion on Pedophilia.

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~ That said, Bumi wins. Comics are not counted in my thread 313.

I'm pretty sure the term is Ephebophile anyways....

Originally posted by marwash22
semantics! you knew exactly what the point was; flexing your knowledge on the subject of sex with minors is not impressive... it's creepy.

You didn't pay attention to anything I said.

At no point in my post is there any sort of justification.

Also, the JOKE was never about being nasty with minors, it was about those two getting it on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure the term is Ephebophile anyways....

You are correct. If we go by DP's guestimate, they would be 17 and 15, respectively. If we go by actual time, they'd be 19 and 17-18.




Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Interesting how a Bumi vs. Toph thread went to a bending battle between Katara & Azula, to Katara bending over to Azula, to a discussion on Pedophilia.

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~ That said, Bumi wins. Comics are not counted in my thread 313.

crylaugh Indeed...the thread did.


And, yes, I agree: no damn comics. Stick to the canon cartoons.

Bumo had plenty of time to learn metal bending when he spend a month (several?) locked into that stupid metal coffin.

The underage teen girls talk in this thread pleases me.

Bumi wins.

Originally posted by SamZED
Bumo had plenty of time to learn metal bending when he spend a month (several?) locked into that stupid metal coffin. But he didn't. He broke out of the metal restraints using standard earthbending... via his nose. Which should be evidence of just how strong he is.

Actually it was his facial muscles, not his nose per say.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You guys toss around "pedophilia" on anything.

Did you guys know that a 40 year old man having sex with a 13 year old girl could NOT be pedophilia? Depends on the sexual maturity of that female.

On the same token, did you guys know that a 20 year old man having sex with a 25 year old woman could be pedophilia? Again, it's based on the sexual maturity. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to sexually immature people. If a lady hasn't sexually matured, looks..say...10 or 11, but is over 18, a man having sex with her would still be a pedophile if he was attracted to that type of body because it's a state of mind.



On the same token, a 40 year old woman having sex with a 13 year old male, if he is fully sexually mature and looks like a man, she is NOT a pedophile. Not even close.

Again, it is the sexual attraction to perceived age, that constitutes pedophilia or not pedophilia.

Also, in Katara's case, if she is not fully sexually mature, adults being attracted to her would not be pedophilia, it would be ephebophilia or hebephilia.

/psychology lesson. "pedophilia" is actually derived from pedo (child). therefore child pubescence is natural and independent of law and social norms even if lust for prepubescent children is legal and considered "normal" in some nations, it's still pedophilia to covet them.

bhumi stomps

Originally posted by psycho gundam
"pedophilia" is actually derived from pedo (child). therefore child pubescence is natural and independent of law and social norms even if lust for prepubescent children is legal and considered "normal" in some nations, it's still pedophilia to covet them.

bhumi stomps

I have no idea what you just tried to say, but pedophilia is the sexual attraction towards prepubescent humans. That's it...nothing else needs to be added to it.


If the human APPEARS prepubescent to the person attracted to that prepubescent human, than it is pedophilia because they don't know the wiser. If you try to justify your "lust" for that prepubescent looking person and they are over 18, it doesn't change the psychological value: it's still pedophilia.

So if you look at a 17 year old chick that looks hotter than lotsa 18+ pornstars you're a pedo? That doesnt make sense, only according to law maybe. And we're talking about animation. Sometimes it hard to tell which characters are 14 and which are 20 in cartoons, especially drawn in "japanese style". For example I think Azula is hot and she was said to be 14 so im a pedo, but if she was said to be 18 but looked exactly the same that'd be just fine?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have no idea what you just tried to say, but pedophilia is the sexual attraction towards prepubescent humans. That's it...nothing else needs to be added to it.


If the human APPEARS prepubescent to the person attracted to that prepubescent human, than it is pedophilia because they don't know the wiser. If you try to justify your "lust" for that prepubescent looking person and they are over 18, it doesn't change the psychological value: it's still pedophilia. no, that would be a loophole to get out of being a pedophile, but it's not pedophilia.

pubescence is not about looks, it's sexual maturity of the organs. i know what you're aiming for cause i feel the same way, but in a court of law that person isn't a pedophile as long as the person they are with is of legal age. again, it's like a loophole

can someone please close this thread.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no, that would be a loophole to get out of being a pedophile, but it's not pedophilia.

pubescence is not about looks, it's sexual maturity of the organs. i know what you're aiming for cause i feel the same way, but in a court of law that person isn't a pedophile as long as the person they are with is of legal age. again, it's like a loophole

Pubescence is about the looks, the smell, and the perception of the person's mental maturity (there are average reactions that age groups have to specific data and it is measurable. You can percieve someone's maturity/age based off of these reactions. Also, the brain itself can be mapped to an age because it literally changes as you get older.) Humans evolved to pick up on these cues so that we would know, without having to really think about it, who was ready to breed and who was not. Most people mix concurrent societal norms with biology and they shouldn't.

The average lifespan of early man was 18. Guess what? Lots of breeding occurred before 18. Lots of babies were had before 18. What did they have to go off of? Sexual maturity which includes menstruation, armpit hair, pubic hair, fat placement (wider hips, breasts, fuller lips, and fuller face) and body odor. These are the biological markers needed to figure out who is ready to breed and who isn't.

You are correct...people figure out loopholes. That's because there are laws based off of concurrent norms. I don't fault those people for it...unless they are into what I've come to know as "toddlercon"...which is just sick shit and I think it should be illegal. Not even 100 years ago, 13 and 14 year old girls would be given away in marriage to 30-year-old men. What happened? Society happened. Early man...that would be a very good idea, IF the girl was sexually mature and could bare children as a 30-year-old male will be fully physically mature, have developed hunting and protection skills sufficient enough to raise children, etc. etc. etc. That's not pedophilia, that's survival of the fittest at it's best. We don't scoff at 18-year-old male lions breeding with 2-year-old females, do we? Of course not. For some reason, humans have double standards and they make up strange rules and love to enforce those reasons for self-righteous reasons.

My personal preference, however, is voluptuous, full, women. That's something that many young ladies cannot achieve until their late teens early 20s. I just don't like the self-righteous attitudes that I read in here, earlier. It's stupid.

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