Originally posted by No End N Site
Twelve is under Urien's control, and it is officially stated that only the "higher ups" in the Illuminati are aware of the Tentei (Gill). I need proof on 'anything' about Q.
Since 12 was meant as a replacement for Necro, and (if memory serves) wasn't uriens intent to have 12 kill Gill?
And I think Q was intentionally annonymous, there is very little known about him.
Originally posted by No End N Site
No, we don't have to take 'all' the contents of an ending for the ability to work, we take the 'ability' its self, because we 'should' have the sense to know the creators used this event (canon or not) to demonstrate what could be done by the character, the boss, if he or she got their way. If you don't agree wit this, somethin' that should be very clear, then fine, but I aint gonna argue wit you about it cuz we're never gonna agree. I'm not gonna just start makin' up Rules of Logic to suit my needs and not apply it to other things.
No, we never take things out of context in such a manner, otherwise everything can be used as canon in that sense, nothing gets restricted or moderated. As I have said before, that opens the doors for all kinds of non-canon filler to flood in, such as the CFJ/CFE stuff, all the MVC stuff, EX, CVS, Gem Fighter, the Puzzle Fighter crap... Everything even remotely related to Street Fighter then has a say, and it becomes an ergonomic nightmare to sort the real deal from the filler crap. Nobody wants that.
Originally posted by No End N Site
It does not matter. He attacked'em before they could do anything. He came in and SGSed'em when their attention was clearly elsewhere. If he didn't sneak up, then it's a clear cheap shot.
So, from your interpretation, he blindsided them despite being in line of sight, and cheapshotted them? I'm sorry, but the only instance of a cheapshot or "From behind" instance I can think of was his intro into CVS1 where he split Bison in two.
Originally posted by No End N Site
Gill's abilities were very powerful as befit the Final Boss of the series
And the rest of that quote I posted clearly gives the impression that if he is not stronger than them, he is at the very least equal to any of them. The man can close his hand and make a meteor shower.
As strong as I can buy. But by feats alone, Gouki can pretty much just about solo the cast, yet we knowthis is not the case.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He was cheap, but nowhere near the broken-ness of his SSF2T counterpart.
TS Gill was plain broken. Not SSF2T S.Akuma broken, but broken nonetheless.
Broken being a term for computer cheapness, which DI S.Akuma had in spades unless you exploited the AI's horrid reaction to air projectiles. They always try to jump in, which made them fodder. It's what made Player controled Akuma players uber against the CPU.
All that aside, CPU S.Gouki was very VERY much faster than any version of Gill, and damage output was enormous.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Problem is, hitting Gill out of S.Wing leaves him with his SA bar intact, unlike hitting S.Gouki out of SGS.
To date, I've never avoided S.Wing, so I don't think it is avoidable, unlike SGS.
Also, I know I've had more trouble with TS Gill than I did with S.Gouki >__>.
The only difference bitween DI Gill and TS Gill was the Seraphic Wing and that palette changing aura, and the Seraphic Wing was highly anticipatable if you know what to look for. He floats to the miffle of the screen, very very dead giveaway, can't be comboed exept in stun either. The Meteor Shower was far more deadly than the SW due to it's setups.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You are using a gameplay restriction there. He was already broken. Giving him the ability to use Super arts after being resurrected would make him idiotically overpowered in the game. It'd be the same as having to win 4 rounds instead of the default 2.
If Gill's resurrection disables his other Super Arts, Shin Gouki will only have access to 3 or 4 Super arts (KKG, Shun Goku Satsu & Messatsu Gou Rasen/MG Shoryuken/MG Hadou + Tenma Gou Zankuu) per fight.
While I can believe the "Once a Day" bit, I don't know if there is any official statement on this limit. If you do, then by all means, enlighten me.
Granted, I still think S.Gouki has the better odds, since Gill doesn't have very many feats.
The difference is that S.Gouki could keep charging hsi meter after any of his SA's, Gill once Resurrection was used can't do this. Plus, resurrection is interuptable.