ban mido & vs supernovas
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amano uchiha
can ban take all the supernovas?
scenario1: ban fight gauntlet style
scenario2 they all fight at the same time
bloodlust is on for both scenarios...who wins?
i personally think ban takes both scenarios
Q99
The Supernovas from One Piece?
As-of where I've gotten in Get Backers (the US releases), no one has yet shown the kind of power I think they'd need to take on powerful OP types like the Supernovas.
amano uchiha
what chapter are you on in getbackers?
Gecko4lif
It doesnt bother you that ban is in the area of hundreds of times faster than light at the end of the series?
Q99
Originally posted by amano uchiha
what chapter are you on in getbackers?
I don't know the chapter number, but two volumes after the bug clan arc.
I have heard that at the end of the series things get significantly more powerful, but in the first 20-30 chapters they are not that strong.
Kento
Does anybody in One Piece have any kind of defense against the Evil Eye? If not round 2 is taken without breaking a sweat. Round 1 will be the only round he has to actually fight.
draxx_tOfU
Originally posted by Kento
Does anybody in One Piece have any kind of defense against the Evil Eye? If not round 2 is taken without breaking a sweat. Round 1 will be the only round he has to actually fight.
Not sure if haki can prevent it but for now I agree that Ban takes this with little to no difficulty...
Kento
Eh, even without it Ban could take them all. Dude's beaten a guy who can see the future two or three times. lol
Q99
A guy who can see the future who was slower than Ban.
Luffy'd easily beat said guy just by blitzing him like Mido did and/or throwing too many attacks to avoid. The OP characters were way stronger and faster than any of the foes in the first Infinity Fortress arc. The snakebite is nothing to write home about compared to the damage some of them dish out.
Originally posted by Kento
Does anybody in One Piece have any kind of defense against the Evil Eye? If not round 2 is taken without breaking a sweat. Round 1 will be the only round he has to actually fight.
The Evil Eye doesn't necessarily take people out, though admittedly it is a massive edge for one minute.
It would be useless against some of them, like the guy who's power is to carry his entire crew inside his body. In other cases they have their own insta-win techniques anyway.
dw6xl
Originally posted by Q99
A guy who can see the future who was slower than Ban.
Luffy'd easily beat said guy just by blitzing him like Mido did and/or throwing too many attacks to avoid. The OP characters were way stronger and faster than any of the foes in the first Infinity Fortress arc. The snakebite is nothing to write home about compared to the damage some of them dish out.
The Evil Eye doesn't necessarily take people out, though admittedly it is a massive edge for one minute.
It would be useless against some of them, like the guy who's power is to carry his entire crew inside his body. In other cases they have their own insta-win techniques anyway.
it doesnt take ppl out? he used it on one person and in the illusion the person died and in return died in real life so ban can make it take ppl out if he wanted... and if you read the whole bug arc you would know that ban's speed is on a whole different level as you saw when he attacked the bee lady 12 times in 12 different vital spots in a tenth of a second
Q99
Originally posted by dw6xl
it doesnt take ppl out? he used it on one person and in the illusion the person died and in return died in real life so ban can make it take ppl out if he wanted... and if you read the whole bug arc you would know that ban's speed is on a whole different level as you saw when he attacked the bee lady 12 times in 12 different vital spots in a tenth of a second
When did he kill someone with it? The only time I can remember people dying after it is when they were mortally wounded before, like the Divine Design guy.
And twelve times in a tenth of a second isn't that exceptional to OP (especially post-CP9 arc), who has some nice speed feats of it's own, plus they hit with a lot more force. Like, far far more.
Q99
Or to put it another way, if any of the Eleven Supernovae were hit with those 12 snakebites, I'm pretty sure they'd just keep coming.
We don't know *that* much about how most of them fight, but Luffy'd hit him in return, Jewelry Bonney'd de-age him into a kid, etc..
amano uchiha
can i see a feat from op thats faster than attacking someone 12 times in less than a tenth of a second and then 32 more times in a instant? and thats nowhere near end of the series ban thats not even mid series its still volume 23 ban...nowhere near as powerful or as fast as he is at the end of the series...and even if the evil eye doesnt kill em it gives ban a whole minute to either use his deconstruction spell or his devil arm or angel arm ...but yeah show me a feat better than 12-32 different attacks in all different areas in less than a tenth of a second
Q99
Originally posted by amano uchiha
can i see a feat from op thats faster than attacking someone 12 times in less than a tenth of a second and then 32 more times in a instant? and thats nowhere near end of the series ban thats not even mid series its still volume 23 ban...nowhere near as powerful or as fast as he is at the end of the series...and even if the evil eye doesnt kill em it gives ban a whole minute to either use his deconstruction spell or his devil arm or angel arm ...but yeah show me a feat better than 12-32 different attacks in all different areas in less than a tenth of a second
This is a pretty standard series of attacks for Luffy being serious around vol 20, and it was hard enough to life up buildings and break through the ground.
Which in turn, is noticeably less than the jet gatling version (which I don't think necessarily has *that* many more hits... but the speed and power of each hit increasing significantly).
There's also plenty of attacks where it's hard to tell how rapid they are- like Zoro who has attacks where he just moves past and the slices appear after in a delayed reaction. And he does this in Asura mode, where he moves in a way so that he appears to have 9 swords at once.
Ban might or might not actually be able to squeeze more attacks into a smaller time frame, but they're a lot weaker, and the speed of Luffy's individual attacks is plenty to hit. OP people I think have better movement speed (though Ban's not too bad either), and as-of Mido through the lion's share of the manga, orders of magnitude more hitting power and durability.
amano uchiha
ban was easily able to tank multiple attacks from raitei who's lightning was easily able to atomize ppl and his devil arm was able to easily destroy a lance made of diamond and break him out of 9 ft of diamond...he also has his turning effect spell in which whatever damage is done to him is done to the user instead..then theirs his deconstruction spell that deconstructs things into nothing
Q99
Originally posted by amano uchiha
ban was easily able to tank multiple attacks from raitei who's lightning was easily able to atomize ppl and his devil arm was able to easily destroy a lance made of diamond and break him out of 9 ft of diamond...he also has his turning effect spell in which whatever damage is done to him is done to the user instead..then theirs his deconstruction spell that deconstructs things into nothing
All the really uber stuff was things he gained in the last story arc or so. 3/4ths of the manga, he's got nothing on them.
He's been badly hurt on many occasions by levels of attack that'd barely annoy Luffy, Zoro, and presumably the other supernova (like future-sight guy's robot arm and blades).
amano uchiha
Originally posted by Q99
All the really uber stuff was things he gained in the last story arc or so. 3/4ths of the manga, he's got nothing on them.
He's been badly hurt on many occasions by levels of attack that'd barely annoy Luffy, Zoro, and presumably the other supernova (like future-sight guy's robot arm and blades).
true but its still his abilities
Q99
Majority series Ban < each of the Supernovas < End-series Ban, I think.
dw6xl
Originally posted by Q99
Majority series Ban < each of the Supernovas < End-series Ban, I think. i stil think during and after the bug arc ban takes this
Q99
Originally posted by dw6xl
i stil think during and after the bug arc ban takes this
He simply doesn't have the damage output to win. These guys take hits a lot stronger than Ban's snakebites and in large number. Heck, they take cannon ball hits and keep coming no prob.
Zoro can block shots from a guy who slices big buildings in half without problem, and he's not one of the stronger supernovas.
He and Luffy punched through a tidal wave this big with a sword slash and literal punching.
Ban's snakebite is often stated to have a strength of 200 kgf. It gets stronger over time, sure, but not massively until the end. What the OP characters did there is *probably* thousands of times stronger than that.
amano uchiha
his arm's strength can lead to many misconceptions. His base gripping strength without even using his snake-arm chant or calling upon the true power of his Asclepius-curse is immense. Ban stopped a truck from running into him at considerable speed with just his hand and the front of that lorry driver in upon itself. Assuming that your average truck weighs around 7 to 12 tons and moving at the maximum allowed speed on an open road (lets assume 50 miles per hour), that far exceeds a force of only 200 Kilograms, especially since Ban effortlessly stopped the lorry flat in its tracks
dw6xl
here's a testament to ban's speed
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/33.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/34.html
he speedblitzes a guy atleast 10 meters away so fast that it doesnt look like he moved a inch at all nor could the guy see him moving or tell when did he move
amano uchiha
Originally posted by dw6xl
here's a testament to ban's speed
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/33.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/34.html
he speedblitzes a guy atleast 10 meters away so fast that it doesnt look like he moved a inch at all nor could the guy see him moving or tell when did he move
this is proof enough that he speedblitzs
Q99
Yea, the truck thing's a lot less strength than some of the examples I linked. Hundreds to thousands of tons, not dozens.
Originally posted by amano uchiha
this is proof enough that he speedblitzs
Plenty of OP characters have 'disappear from sight' speed over that kind of distance, that won't blitz them.
amano uchiha
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, the truck thing's a lot less strength than some of the examples I linked. Hundreds to thousands of tons, not dozens.
Plenty of OP characters have 'disappear from sight' speed over that kind of distance, that won't blitz them.
lets see some scans bcuz i highly doubt that
dw6xl
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, the truck thing's a lot less strength than some of the examples I linked. Hundreds to thousands of tons, not dozens.
Plenty of OP characters have 'disappear from sight' speed over that kind of distance, that won't blitz them.
he did far more than disappear..matterfact he didnt disappear he blitzes a guy and it looks like he didnt move at all....show me somethin similar from OP
Q99
Originally posted by amano uchiha
lets see some scans bcuz i highly doubt that
You really don't know much One Piece do you? Here's Captain Kuro's, ultimate technique, whereup he moves so fast and slices opponents and objects apart left and right (so fast he can't control it, slicing at random), farther apart than the Infinity Fortress guy Ban took out (the first guy and the rock wall are, what, maybe 60 feet apart? More total distance than Ban's move). In his technique, he moves continuously and never becomes visible.
Note the chapter number- 38. He is the third opponent they face and not a significant threat, the fight doesn't last too long and the good guys aren't seriously injured or pushed very hard. Luffy is fast enough to catch and KO him.
Around chapter 380, Luffy gets his *own* super speed technique, a fair bit faster than that one, only with full control.
Ok. Something to note about the target of this one, he too has super speed (and has the offensive technique to piece with his finger as fast as a bullet), and Luffy attacks him there, then from behind at similar distance.
So Luffy hit the guy and circled around him faster than he could tell what's going on to appear at the same distance behind him and strike again.
And he's an example of the opponent's speed and power, briefly disappearing from sight and then hitting the ground hard enough to create a huge crater, and Luffy was fast enough to avoid it without using his own superspeed technique.
At the least Luffy is clearly fast enough to not be blitzed by Ban's speed.
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I think you two aren't very familiar with One Piece's power level.
Superspeed techniques are dead common in OP, and as for strength, well, here's a character throwing an iron ball bigger than a ship. Probably tens of thousands of tons. And here's one who punches most of an island in half (and Luffy beat up that character).
If a strong OP character punched a truck, there wouldn't be a truck any more.
Kento
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/44.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v06/c001.1/45.html
Unbreakable harnesses broken.
lol
dw6xl
what are you serious? in each of those scans they all disappeared from sight showing you that they attacked while ban moved so fast you couldnt tell when or where he was attacking from all it looked like was he was sittin on a wall but in reality he was moving so fast to attack and back to his original spot that he didnt disappear...and that not even midway through the series its volume 10
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v29/c005/16.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/get_backers/v29/c005/17.html
here you see akabane blitzing a guy to pieces so fast that his enemy didnt even kno he was already cut to pieces
When Ban fought Fudo , Fudo saw Ban on the ground cut up and dead through his precognition . 3 seconds later , Ban was on the ground in that exact same way.
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol09_168%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol09_188%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
However, it's a bit more complicated than that and pay attention to what had happened in that fight. This means, within the time frame of 2 seconds, Raitei and Akabane had a heated battle to the death. Because Fudo 's precognition has no blind spots, that means that the estimated time that they fought was around 2 to 3 seconds.Once Ban caught Raitei's punch, and Jackal stabbed him, Ban was on the ground in the exact way that Fudo pictured in his vision! Which means, Ban kicked Fudo 's butt so damn fast that it was uncomprehending.
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol10_040-041%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/lionel818/undefined/GetBackers_vol10_043%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
Nephthys
The thing is, Oda has stated (in a roundabout way) that Luffy is as fast normally (just running around) as Captain Kuro, who moves so fast he's invisible. Gear 2nd then takes him up to being so fast he can appear invisible to someone as fast as Kuro. Thats hell'a fast.
Kento
Should use after Ban gets stabbed. He moves away from that spot fast enough everybody in the room including Akabane assume he used the evil eye to make it look like he was stabbed, and laying on the ground.
Q99
Originally posted by dw6xl
what are you serious? in each of those scans they all disappeared from sight showing you that they attacked while ban moved so fast you couldnt tell when or where he was attacking from all it looked like was he was sittin on a wall but in reality he was moving so fast to attack and back to his original spot that he didnt disappear...and that not even midway through the series its volume 10
Yea, the Captain Kuro thing was incredibly early on too, and yet Luffy was fast enough to catch him when he was moving so fast no-one could see him.
Yes, yes I have.
That's one of the signature moves of Brook, who's slower than Luffy. He attacks an enemy or group of enemies, and three seconds later, they all fall over sliced open.
Fudo simply didn't have the physical ability to defend against Ban's snakebite attack.
Everyone else in that battle was faster and stronger than he was, and IMO could do the same. Fudo's physical abilities were a fair bit lesser, the foresight simply let him keep up with stronger people... to a point.
Btw, Luffy has also beaten up people who can sense the future by outspeeding and outpowering them.
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There's something you're missing in the argument.
You've got half the picture, that is, "Ban Mido is fast," which I know and agree with, Ban Mido is indeed fast.
But the other half is, "Luffy and One Piece characters are also fast."
Posting more Ban speed feats doesn't suddenly make Luffy or other OP characters slower.
Luffy and the others are at a high speed level as well, enough that they won't be overwhelmed, which combined with high strength, toughness, and devil fruit powers, puts them in a pretty good spot in this fight.
You're assuming I don't know what Ban Mido can do, but I'm saying I agree with your assessment of his powers, it's just the OP speed is at least in the same general league.
dw6xl
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, the Captain Kuro thing was incredibly early on too, and yet Luffy was fast enough to catch him when he was moving so fast no-one could see him.
Yes, yes I have.
That's one of the signature moves of Brook, who's slower than Luffy. He attacks an enemy or group of enemies, and three seconds later, they all fall over sliced open.
Fudo simply didn't have the physical ability to defend against Ban's snakebite attack.
Everyone else in that battle was faster and stronger than he was, and IMO could do the same. Fudo's physical abilities were a fair bit lesser, the foresight simply let him keep up with stronger people... to a point.
Btw, Luffy has also beaten up people who can sense the future by outspeeding and outpowering them.
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There's something you're missing in the argument.
You've got half the picture, that is, "Ban Mido is fast," which I know and agree with, Ban Mido is indeed fast.
But the other half is, "Luffy and One Piece characters are also fast."
Posting more Ban speed feats doesn't suddenly make Luffy or other OP characters slower.
Luffy and the others are at a high speed level as well, enough that they won't be overwhelmed, which combined with high strength, toughness, and devil fruit powers, puts them in a pretty good spot in this fight.
You're assuming I don't know what Ban Mido can do, but I'm saying I agree with your assessment of his powers, it's just the OP speed is at least in the same general league.
your not understanding, yeah that was very fast speed by the captain but he still disappeared from sight meaning they saw him move from where he was where as nobody but shido saw ban move from his position
can i see scans of brook doing the same to an opponent?
and by powerscailing that monster that akabane was far from weak..he was able to force kazuki and his friends to retreat from battle
its not the point of fudo's abilities its the fact that within 3 seconds ban blitz someone who could see in the future and made it in time to stop akabane and ginji's attacks (and they are very fast) who was on another floor and then got up, cleaned his wounds off, pull a cigarette out and leaned on the wall all in a instant making even akabane believe that he used the jagan...their speed is not on the same level.....oh there was also a speed calc for getbackers i can post the link to it if you want
Q99
Originally posted by dw6xl
your not understanding, yeah that was very fast speed by the captain but he still disappeared from sight meaning they saw him move from where he was where as nobody but shido saw ban move from his position
So? What's more impressive about moving forward and back 10 meters without being seen in between than moving 30 meters without being seen in between? It's not the exact same situation but the speed's comparable.
Regardless of who's faster, OP characters definitely have the speed to react to that kind of speed in any case.
The clearest case is actually Brook's zombie, Ryuuma:
The attack, The effect, The explanation
Ryuuma's made from Brook's shadows and skills, and Zoro beat him.
No, I ment Fudo was weak, with only his foresight letting him put up a fight at all.
Luffy'd stomp Fudo.
It is of a level to not have to worry about being blitz. only the 'fool Akabane and Ginji' feat is something that OP doesn't either have or have a better version of with more distance travelled in the same time.
amano uchiha
http://lionel818.webs.com/undefined/GetBackers_vol13_176%5BBYAAAH%5D.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/139/l_e825953def354c2fa8b8a48f87d2c972.jpg
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/139/l_91390a64948047dcb2f11c1a4f9c2260.jpg
not too sure if this proves they are ftl but it proves that ppl's attacks are lightspeed
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/139/l_4c491ca7fa2d4f5683d12f3c770180fc.jpg
as you see, he was about to swing his blade at the speed of light to use another black hole
but
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/130/l_14d035b461c4444f88d95d9c0782fe56.jpg
these two used willpower to become unparalyzed and blitzed over there to stop the swing of the blade and the attack... They could not have intercepted the swing if they werent faster that light or atleast lightspeed
Q99
While they say 'lightspeed' it's obviously moving anything but.
Manga writers seem to have this odd impression that lightspeed is around 200mph from the way they use it.
amano uchiha
why isnt it lightspeed? and where did you come up with the calculation of 200 mph?....smh i hate it when someone explains how his attack works it gets downplayed....can you prove that it isnt lightspeed?....all though i do understand what you mean
dw6xl
this is very interesting.....
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