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Who wins?

Darkseid

Darkseid.

Darkseid

Gladiator should be able to pull a few off.

Darkseid wins 6/10

I'd link you to a scan of DS getting owned by street thugs, but I'm not allowed yet.

Originally posted by Dr. Tyrant
Gladiator should be able to pull a few off.

Darkseid wins 6/10

I'd link you to a scan of DS getting owned by street thugs, but I'm not allowed yet.

Oh mai, welcome back.

Darkseid.

Worst case scenario he battle field removes Gladiator.

DS

Darkseid.

How the hell did this myth that High Heralds can beat DS based on two instances of jobbing/shit writing get spread?

DARKSEID.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid.

How the hell did this myth that High Heralds can beat DS based on two instances of jobbing/shit writing get spread?

Two instances? I can count about 10 off the top of my head. Needless to say he's been retconned more times than I can count due to his lack of being badass.

If Mary Marvel can deflect the OE with her hand, and Superman stacks up physically to him...what is he going to do? Gladiator could just fly to the Baxter building, grab a flight of stairs and have DS fall down them for the win.

He's done some badass stuff, but in all honesty the character really is a joke. He only wins 6/10 fights against Gladiator IMO.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid.

How the hell did this myth that High Heralds can beat DS based on two instances of jobbing/shit writing get spread?

Maybe because their have been more than 2 instances when a certain High Herald has looked superior to him?

Originally posted by Dr. Tyrant
Two instances? I can count about 10 off the top of my head. Needless to say he's been retconned more times than I can count due to his lack of being badass.

If Mary Marvel can deflect the OE with her hand, and Superman stacks up physically to him...what is he going to do? Gladiator could just fly to the Baxter building, grab a flight of stairs and have DS fall down them for the win.

He's done some badass stuff, but in all honesty the character really is a joke. He only wins 6/10 fights against Gladiator IMO.
Elaborate please. Where are these 10 instances?

Right Amped Mary Marvel who Darkseid was trying to restrain, not kill/incapacitate.

Someone is butthurt that Apoc is a loser so he's going to try and badmouth Darkseid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe because their have been more than 2 instances when a certain High Herald has looked superior to him?
If you ignore context maybe. He has only two concrete losses to Superman. Both of which are pretty clearly cases of writers forgetting DS's powerlevel to make Superman look good.

Jobbing is jobbing no matter how often it happens, and in DS's case he doesn't job nearly as much as some would lead you to believe.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you ignore context maybe. He has only two concrete losses to Superman. Both of which are pretty clearly cases of writers forgetting DS's powerlevel to make Superman look good.

Jobbing is jobbing no matter how often it happens, and in DS's case he doesn't job nearly as much as some would lead you to believe.

What context? Superman defeated him.

I count 4 losses for Darkseid. Two where he gets put down. In the others, he resorts to running away with his tail between his legs, and in the last one, he resorts to battle field removing Clark.

That's not counting Final Crisis. There's another sixth fight where Superman clearly looked superior.

Gladiator has a symbol in his chest. Logic dictates that he folds in this fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What context? Superman defeated him.

I count 4 losses for Darkseid. Two where he gets put down. In the others, he resorts to running away with his tail between his legs, and in the last one, he resorts to battle field removing Clark.

That's not counting Final Crisis. There's another sixth fight where Superman clearly looked superior.

Gladiator has a symbol in his chest. Logic dictates that he folds in this fight.
Okay there's AN and S/B.

The other two instances I'm curious about. Darkseid has walked away from fights without actually retreating. A lot of their encounters actually end with Superman in rough but mostly good shape and Darkseid walking away rather than pursuing a pointless struggle.

They didn't fight in Final Crisis.

Superman's jobber aura aside Darkseid has a solid record of defeating High Heralds that casts his defeats at Superman's hand in a very dubious light.

DS takes it. Omega beams FTW

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you ignore context maybe. He has only two concrete losses to Superman. Both of which are pretty clearly cases of writers forgetting DS's powerlevel to make Superman look good.

Jobbing is jobbing no matter how often it happens, and in DS's case he doesn't job nearly as much as some would lead you to believe. can you make a case for rhino's jobbing and ignore it completely for a forum fight?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
can you make a case for rhino's jobbing and ignore it completely for a forum fight?
If CIS is off? Yes you can ignore it for the most part. CIS off Rhino actually did rather well against Grey Hulk, proving that running jokes aside he's not a complete loser.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Okay there's AN and S/B.

The other two instances I'm curious about. Darkseid has walked away from fights without actually retreating. A lot of their encounters actually end with Superman in rough but mostly good shape and Darkseid walking away rather than pursuing a pointless struggle.

They didn't fight in Final Crisis.

Superman's jobber aura aside Darkseid has a solid record of defeating High Heralds that casts his defeats at Superman's hand in a very dubious light.

Superman beat Darkseid in Apokolips Now #1, and Superman/Batman #13. In Action Comics #586 he resorted to battle field removal after Superman outmaneuvered him and beat his ass down. In Superman/Batman #72 he resorted to running away after Superman beat his ass down because he was scared Superman was going to put him back into the Source Wall or something similar *snicker*

He also looked noticeably superior against Darkseid in Countdown To Final Crisis Week #49.

Oh that's my bad. I meant fifth fight and not sixth fight. Superman kills him in Final Crisis by singing.

Superman rises above all other High Heralds from DC when work needs to be done. He is DC's No. 1 hero and Darkseid's bane..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman beat Darkseid in Apokolips Now #1, and Superman/Batman #13. In Action Comics #586 he resorted to battle field removal after Superman outmaneuvered him and beat his ass down. In Superman/Batman #72 he resorted to running away after Superman beat his ass down because he was scared Superman was going to put him back into the Source Wall or something similar *snicker*

He also looked noticeably superior against Darkseid in Countdown To Final Crisis Week #49.

Oh that's my bad. I meant fifth fight and not sixth fight. Superman kills him in Final Crisis by singing.

Superman rises above all other High Heralds from DC when work needs to be done.
AC 586? Lol. That was crap, Darkseid was weakened by an incredibly PISy attack: being hit with his own OE even though the finder beams are really just the equivalent of a laser pointer and Darkseid controls when the actual Omega Effect takes place which is just an out of character tard moment.

Darkseid didn't appear in S/B 72. Check your facts lol.

Countdown 49? At the very most Superman was shown to be DS's peer. A blast of the OE made Superman bleed and DS didn't want to waste any more time scuffling with Superman when he could just kill him with Kryptonite.

He didn't kill DS by singing, he helped shatter DS's final hold over the Multiverse by singing his counter-vibration, an attack that used up pretty much all of Superman's power btw.

I can agree on that, his jobber aura would mean Thor's ass on the floor if they fought.

Darkseid, 6 out of 10.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid, 6 out of 10.
How do you see Gladiator taking those 4 wins?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
AC 586? Lol. That was crap, Darkseid was weakened by an incredibly PISy attack: being hit with his own OE even though the finder beams are really just the equivalent of a laser pointer and Darkseid controls when the actual Omega Effect takes place which is just an out of character tard moment.

Darkseid didn't appear in S/B 72. Check your facts lol.

Countdown 49? At the very most Superman was shown to be DS's peer. A blast of the OE made Superman bleed and DS didn't want to waste any more time scuffling with Superman when he could just kill him with Kryptonite.

He didn't kill DS by singing, he helped shatter DS's final hold over the Multiverse by singing his counter-vibration, an attack that used up pretty much all of Superman's power btw.

I can agree on that, his jobber aura would mean Thor's ass on the floor if they fought.


Uhuh.

My bad. Superman/Batman #42. He has had his ass handed to him by Clark so many times I lost track.

At most his peer? Superman obviously had the edge physically in that fight. A direct blast of Omega Effect in Superman's face drew some blood. Yay? If Darkeid has been reduced to the point his trump card making Superman bleed is impressive, it's...well...sad.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg
Thanks to Liam. Too lazy to scan my own.

Ha. Whatever helps you and Darkseid sleep at night. Dude knew he was outclassed in a brawl and resorted to Kryptonite. Pussying out is pussying out no matter how he tries to justify it.

If by losing most of his power you mean made his vocal cords a little sore, then yes.

A Superman who used his heat vision, flight and speed beat a Thor who fought like a brick. Superman not only barely beat him he also called Thor perhaps the toughest opponent he had fought. Superman and Thor are peers. Darkseid is well....below them both.

Also notice how in the third scan Superman walks through the Omega Beams as if there nonexistent.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you see Gladiator taking those 4 wins? Beating his face in. DD did so in a few panels, Superman had him tap out which is one of the worst showings for someone of Seid's caliber ever, and Orion tearing his heart out, on top of Raker humiliating him in battle.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you see Gladiator taking those 4 wins?

By physically over powering him. Take away Darkseids eye beams and Gladiator would outright stomp him 8 or possibly 9/10.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uhuh.

My bad. Superman/Batman #42. He has had his ass handed to him by Clark so many times I lost track.

At most his peer? Superman clearly had the edge physically in that fight. A direct blast of Omega Effect in Superman's face drew some blood. Yay? If Darkeid has been reduced to the point his trump card making Superman bleed is impressive, it's...well...sad.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg
Thanks to Liam. Too lazy to scan my own.

Ha. Whatever helps you and Darkseid sleep at night. Dude knew he was outclassed in a brawl and resorted to Kryptonite. Pussying out is pussying out no matter how he tries to justify it.

If by losing most of his power you mean made his vocal cords a little sore, then yes.

A Superman who used his heat vision, flight and speed beat a Thor who fought like a brick. Superman not only barely beat him he also called Thor perhaps the toughest opponent he had fought. Superman and Thor are peers. Darkseid is well....below them both. I have to agree that using k-nite to defeat Superman is him outright admitting I can't best you in battle by using my powers. This is closer than I thought.

Darkseid isnt Thanos; hes not walking all over high heralds like you think omega.

Originally posted by carver9
By physically over powering him. Take away Darkseids eye beams and Gladiator would outright stomp him 8 or possibly 9/10. I agree that withoutu the omega beams Glads beats him for a high majority.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have to agree that using k-nite to defeat Superman is him outright admitting I can't best you in battle by using my powers. This is closer than I thought.

I agree.

Also I edited my post to further humiliate Darkseid so quote the new version.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I agree.

Also I edited my post to further humiliate Darkseid so quote the new version. Upon further review I give Glads the slightest of edges due to the omega effect not being the deciding factor it used to be years back.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uhuh.

My bad. Superman/Batman #42. He has had his ass handed to him by Clark so many times I lost track.

At most his peer? Superman clearly had the edge physically in that fight. A direct blast of Omega Effect in Superman's face drew some blood. Yay? If Darkeid has been reduced to the point his trump card making Superman bleed is impressive, it's...well...sad.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg
Thanks to Liam. Too lazy to scan my own.

Ha. Whatever helps you and Darkseid sleep at night. Dude knew he was outclassed in a brawl and resorted to Kryptonite. Pussying out is pussying out no matter how he tries to justify it.

If by losing most of his power you mean made his vocal cords a little sore, then yes.

A Superman who used his heat vision, flight and speed beat a Thor who fought like a brick. Superman not only barely beat him he also called Thor perhaps the toughest opponent he had fought. Superman and Thor are peers. Darkseid is well....below them both.
The Countdown fight really didn't show either as being unequivocally superior. We saw a pissed, not-holding back Superman's heat vision doing absolutely shit at point blank range. I don'light blast of the OE drew blood from Superman, not the most impressive showing sure but still better than you make it out to be.

If you only go by a few crappy combat showings and ignore...well pretty much the rest of DS's history, then yes I suppose you could make the argument that Darkseid is a High Herald. Basic logic would throw this out.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The Countdown fight really didn't show either as being unequivocally superior. We saw a pissed, not-holding back Superman's heat vision doing absolutely shit at point blank range. I don'light blast of the OE drew blood from Superman, not the most impressive showing sure but still better than you make it out to be.

If you only go by a few crappy combat showings and ignore...well pretty much the rest of DS's history, then yes I suppose you could make the argument that Darkseid is a High Herald. Basic logic would throw this out. No, based on the last 20 years or so Superman is superior against ds in combat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uhuh.

My bad. Superman/Batman #42. He has had his ass handed to him by Clark so many times I lost track.

At most his peer? Superman obviously had the edge physically in that fight. A direct blast of Omega Effect in Superman's face drew some blood. Yay? If Darkeid has been reduced to the point his trump card making Superman bleed is impressive, it's...well...sad.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/CountdownWeek49h.jpg
Thanks to Liam. Too lazy to scan my own.

Ha. Whatever helps you and Darkseid sleep at night. Dude knew he was outclassed in a brawl and resorted to Kryptonite. Pussying out is pussying out no matter how he tries to justify it.

If by losing most of his power you mean made his vocal cords a little sore, then yes.

A Superman who used his heat vision, flight and speed beat a Thor who fought like a brick. Superman not only barely beat him he also called Thor perhaps the toughest opponent he had fought. Superman and Thor are peers. Darkseid is well....below them both.

Also notice how in the third scan Superman walks through the Omega Beams as if there nonexistent.

Damn, did they reduce darkseid power to mid herald level?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The Countdown fight really didn't show either as being unequivocally superior. We saw a pissed, not-holding back Superman's heat vision doing absolutely shit at point blank range. I don'light blast of the OE drew blood from Superman, not the most impressive showing sure but still better than you make it out to be.

If you only go by a few crappy combat showings and ignore...well pretty much the rest of DS's history, then yes I suppose you could make the argument that Darkseid is a High Herald. Basic logic would throw this out.

Superman obviously had the physical edge in that fight like his had in 4 other fights. I think it kind of balances out since Darkseid's Omega Beams didn't do shit to Clark. His face was a bit singed though.

What makes you think it was light? He sure as hell looked pissed and didn't seem to be in the mood to take it easy.

Uhuh. Nothing short of severe retconning will restore Darkseid's reputation and power status in my eyes.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you only go by a few crappy combat showings and ignore...well pretty much the rest of DS's history, then yes I suppose you could make the argument that Darkseid is a High Herald. Basic logic would throw this out.

Dont you do this with Sentry and Thor ALL THE TIME?

Darkseid has always been Herald level since after PC/Kirby Darkseid

Originally posted by Dr. Tyrant
Darkseid has always been Herald level since after PC/Kirby Darkseid Pretty much.

Originally posted by Dr. Tyrant
Darkseid has always been Herald level since after PC/Kirby Darkseid

He looks more mid herald if you ask me. Superman was STOMPING him and easily at that.

darkseid

Originally posted by carver9
He looks more mid herald if you ask me. Superman was STOMPING him and easily at that.

You think that's bad?

His had Darkseid outright beg for mercy.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/ApokolipsNowj.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/ApokolipsNowk.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/ApokolipsNowl.jpg
Thanks to Liam.

Hell, Clark has had Darkseid run away with his tail between his legs.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman42a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman42b.jpg
Thanks to Liam.

you should use the fan manipulated one where he switched supes for gladiator with some semi impressive skills..
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/ApokolipsNowk.jpg

just for laughs

Gladiator for the majority, seeing as how he's Marvel's Superman and all...

Superman is who Gladiator wants to be when he grows up.

*facepalm*

Oh bother!

Originally posted by brownqk
Gladiator for the majority, seeing as how he's Marvel's Superman and all... Not quite, in my opinion. Gladiator is more ruthless and military oriented. Plus, Kallark doesn't get nearly the amount of appearances as Superman gets. Two totally different characters with identical power sets.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/8017/179505-278_super.jpg

Oh come on. DS would make Odin his *****, what chance do gladiator have?

Originally posted by amnesia
Oh come on. DS would make Odin his *****, what chance do gladiator have?

Lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.

Could Odin resist the omega effect? I doubt it.

Originally posted by amnesia
Could Odin resist the omega effect? I doubt it.

You mean the Omega Effect that doesn't seem to be more effective than a blast of fire on Superman at this point?

Originally posted by amnesia
Could Odin resist the omega effect? I doubt it.

Superman has deflected the OE with Heat vision and Mary Marvel has done so as well with the palm of her hand. Odin would be able to deflect the OE by simply exhaling.

i have a question did supes always bn drawn with chest hair or was that something they took from another hero and gave to supes to macho him up a bit.. i mean it seems no one can have anything without supes having it 1st or claiming his ability is better..http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/ApokolipsNowk.jpg

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i have a question did supes always bn drawn with chest hair or was that something they took from another hero and gave to supes to macho him up a bit.. i mean it seems no one can have anything without supes having it 1st or claiming his ability is better..http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/ApokolipsNowk.jpg I'm not a huge fan of Superman, but I think I've seen him with a beard before hahahaha

Originally posted by amnesia
Oh come on. DS would make Odin his *****, what chance do gladiator have? You can't be serious.

LMAO at DS making Odin his *****.

Darkseid > Gladiator
6.5/10

Darkseid's detractors can't even tell the difference between the Omega Beams and the Omega Effect.

Must be a coincidence. vin

OE for the win.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
LMAO at DS making Odin his *****.
LMAO at Carver saying DS is a Mid Herald.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
LMAO at Carver saying DS is a Mid Herald.

That is pretty LMAO worthy.

Darkseid wins.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Darkseid wins. How many out of ten?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That is pretty LMAO worthy.
Almost as LMAO worthy as him claiming to know "everything about Superman"

Darkseid. He's just too powerful imo.

Action 814 was lolworthy, though.

Darkseid

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Almost as LMAO worthy as him claiming to know "everything about Superman"


I seem to call out a lot of things that goes on in a Superman comic before it is introduced on this forum and I have done this NUMEROUS of times.

Like I said before, Darkseid got that ass whipped like he was a mid to low herald. Dont blame me for the scans, I didnt put them up.

Originally posted by carver9
I seem to call out a lot of things that goes on in a Superman comic before it is introduced on this forum and I have done this NUMEROUS of times.

Like I said before, Darkseid got that ass whipped like he was a mid to low herald. Dont blame me for the scans, I didnt put them up.

you did interpret them wrong, though. same as with those other "things".

Originally posted by -Pr-
you did interpret them wrong, though. same as with those other "things".

LOL, I knew this was coming. I dont think I interpret it wrong, I just think we see things different.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, I knew this was coming. I dont think I interpret it wrong, I just think we see things different.

see? wrong again.

biscuits

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Darkseid's detractors can't even tell the difference between the Omega Beams and the Omega Effect.

Must be a coincidence. vin What's the difference?

Originally posted by Blanket
What's the difference?

The Beams are just beams of concussive force and heat. When Superman resists or shows little damage to the Beams, it's only the Beams at work. The Omega Effect is used in conjunction with the Beams, and Superman has no defense against them. Darkseid can use the OE to do anything he wants to his intended target. He can strip people of their powers, teleport them, disintegrate individuals and resurrect them from the dead, manipulate matter and energy, and send people through time. And he can enact the Omega Sanction as an extension of the OE.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The Beams are just beams of concussive force and heat. When Superman resists or shows little damage to the Beams, it's only the Beams at work. The Omega Effect is used in conjunction with the Beams, and Superman has no defense against them. Darkseid can use the OE to do anything he wants to his intended target. He can strip people of their powers, teleport them, disintegrate individuals and resurrect them from the dead, manipulate matter and energy, and send people through time. And he can enact the Omega Sanction as an extension of the OE.

Well, this begs the question of why DS didn't use the OE against Superman when he (DS) was getting beat like a redheaded step child? What's your take?

Originally posted by brownqk
Well, this begs the question of why DS didn't use the OE against Superman when he (DS) was getting beat like a redheaded step child? What's your take?

He likes pain.

Originally posted by brownqk
Well, this begs the question of why DS didn't use the OE against Superman when he (DS) was getting beat like a redheaded step child? What's your take?

It'd be really boring if Darkseid beat Superman like a red-headed step child. Which usually happens when any writer worth their salt is writing DS. For some reason writers are writing Darkseid like he's a peer of Superman.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He likes pain.

That could be it! I'm sympathetic to the PIS/CIS argument, considering this is Superman after all. I'm just curious how DS defenders imagine DS beating a mercenary version of Superman when, it seems, DS hasn't managed to beat the boy in blue for quite some time.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The Beams are just beams of concussive force and heat. When Superman resists or shows little damage to the Beams, it's only the Beams at work. The Omega Effect is used in conjunction with the Beams, and Superman has no defense against them. Darkseid can use the OE to do anything he wants to his intended target. He can strip people of their powers, teleport them, disintegrate individuals and resurrect them from the dead, manipulate matter and energy, and send people through time. And he can enact the Omega Sanction as an extension of the OE.
According to Kirby at least the visible beams were just "finder beams", laser pointers that can go around corners and through dimensional boundaries to seek out their target, once they hit their target Darkseid would activate the true Omega Effect.

The Omega Sanction has only been used twice but both times it successfully trapped its targets. I see no reason why Gladiator wouldn't fall before the OS.

Originally posted by brownqk
Well, this begs the question of why DS didn't use the OE against Superman when he (DS) was getting beat like a redheaded step child? What's your take?
Its called bad writing and Superman's jobber aura.

DS 10/10

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Its called bad writing and Superman's jobber aura. No, it's called Superman is more formidable than Darkseid. In hunter and prey the writer said Superman was more powerful than darkseid and even at 95 percent more formidable than Seid who can't beat DD without prep and strategy.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
According to Kirby at least the visible beams were just "finder beams", laser pointers that can go around corners and through dimensional boundaries to seek out their target, once they hit their target Darkseid would activate the true Omega Effect.

The Omega Sanction has only been used twice but both times it successfully trapped its targets. I see no reason why Gladiator wouldn't fall before the OS.

When Kirby was writing Darkseid that's how the Beams operated. More recently, they're shown to be similar to Superman's heat vision without any obvious OE results.

He's disintegrated people worse than Gladiator with the OE, no need to bust out the Sanction here.

I think DS is being low-ball'd in this thread. He's on a different level than Glads and it's really that simple. Sure he's not the best at h2h combat and if it was strictly only h2h..I would give Glads some wins and maybe even a majority. However, both using all their powers.. IMO DS beats Glads and with little difficulty