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IM with hulkbster armor. apocalyse is fully powered.

who wins?

Stop making Apocalypse threads. You pit him against nobodies such as Storm and frankly your threads are disgraceful to the character.

Apocalypse shitstomps by growing to be 100ft and flicking IM into core of te planet.

IM wins.

IM wins, with ease.

Apocalypse with ease.

Apoc could actually win this one, but Iron Man is the strongest there is...

He already beat Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Hulk/Juggernaut, Black Bolt, Vulcan, etc but then again, that was before the rise of Apoc haters.

Hulkbuster armor?

Iron Man beats the utter living shit out of Apocalypse in anything resembling a brawl.

couldn't apocalypse morph into an exact (probably still blue) replica of his armour?

HB also just shows to posses beams and higher physical stats = cake walk for nur (tech interrfacing notwithstanding)

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He already beat Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Hulk/Juggernaut, Black Bolt, Vulcan, etc but then again, that was before the rise of Apoc haters.

No, some of those threads came down in the foe's favor solidly, like WW.


That said, he does beat Iron Man.

He lost the one that was made by Zeuodin. He won the one that was made by redhotrash.

Poccy beats Hulkbuster the same way he took Hulk himself down. Who also beat the Hulkbuster armor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulkbuster armor?

Iron Man beats the utter living shit out of Apocalypse in anything resembling a brawl.

apoc... seriously

Since when did versus thread victories (which are for the most part subjective) become equivalent to comic book showings?

Believe it or not, Apocalypse's consistet showings are better than Diana's.

Wow. A thread where Apocalypse can actually win for a change. haw-som

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulkbuster armor?

Iron Man beats the utter living shit out of Apocalypse in anything resembling a brawl.



really?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Since when did versus thread victories (which are for the most part subjective) become equivalent to comic book showings?

I actually would take most of them over actual comic books as at least PIS is off for the most part of them.







Apocalypse wins, don't kid yourselves.

When the hell did he beat Black Bolt? O_O

Apoc wins this, tho.

apoc trips over the xmen. he loses

Apocalypse wins.

Apoc shapechanges into a keg of beer. Tony leaves the armor for a drink and gets poisoned.

Apoc has beaten Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Juggernaut? When did that happen?

Wonder Woman(the first few pages most people back WW, but not after KB posts....)- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=523453&highlight=titleapocalypse+vs+wonder+woman)

Supergirl- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=454376&highlight=titleapocalypse+vs+supergirl)

Juggernaut AND Savage Hulk- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=523150& amp;highlight=titleapocalypse+vs+hulk+and+jugger
naut)

and consider that there are tons of Apoc haters on this site, if there weren't any, Apocalypse would have defeated Superman and Black Adam too.

Oh.. misunderstood you. thought you meant they fought in rossovers.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Wonder Woman(the first few pages most people back WW, but not after KB posts....)- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=523453&highlight=titleapocalypse+vs+wonder+woman)

Supergirl- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=454376&highlight=titleapocalypse+vs+supergirl)

Juggernaut AND Savage Hulk- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=523150& amp;highlight=titleapocalypse+vs+hulk+and+jugger
naut)

and consider that there are tons of Apoc haters on this site, if there weren't any, Apocalypse would have defeated Superman and Black Adam too.
Kris Blaze never proved Apoc can beat WW, just that Apoc can beat an X-Men roster.

Its entirely subjective who wins a debate, after all if you ask Quanchi he thinks he wins all of his debates.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Believe it or not, Apocalypse's consistet showings are better than Diana's.
Consistent? Apocalypse?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Consistent? Apocalypse?



What's funnier is that he considers those threads a "win" for Apocalypse. Biased selection of thread pages ftw.

Poccy has horrible consistency.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Consistent? Apocalypse?



Uh...yea.

He doesn't get tagged by metas in 90% of his appearences... Diana does.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
What's funnier is that he considers those threads a "win" for Apocalypse. Biased selection of thread pages ftw.



He won the Supergirl(against Kara/the fanboys wouldn't give up though) and Juggernaut/Hulk threads by a landslide. He won the Wonder WOman thread as well.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Uh...yea.

He doesn't get tagged by metas in 90% of his appearences... Diana does.



He won the Supergirl(against Kara/the fanboys wouldn't give up though) and Juggernaut/Hulk threads by a landslide. He won the Wonder WOman thread as well.
Define landslide. You're right, the Apoc fanboys just wouldn't quit.

What if Iron-man uses nanites against Apoc?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He won the Supergirl(against Kara/the fanboys wouldn't give up though) and Juggernaut/Hulk threads by a landslide. He won the Wonder WOman thread as well.

I read both threads. It looks more like fanboys (mostly Apoc fanboys) throwing around flawed logic and vague points then insisting on them all day long. No one really won these debates and saying so shows how subjective your interpretations are.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apoc is sub sky-father. He wins.

Here's a funny post I extracted from those threads...

Originally posted by Bentley
What if Iron-man uses nanites against Apoc? in all honestly, no reason it shouldnt work...

His control over his own molecules and bond with celestial technorganic crap can probably handle stark's nanotech.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I read both threads. It looks more like fanboys (mostly Apoc fanboys) throwing around flawed logic and vague points then insisting on them all day long. No one really won these debates and saying so shows how subjective your interpretations are.



Here's a funny post I extracted from those threads...

Uatu considered him his peer.
He stalemated an evolved High Evolutionary
Casually tanked Blac....i'm not going to argue this with you again.

There is no way that Apocalypse lost the Supergirl thread. Only some people said that Matrix SG would defeat Apocalypse, but the rest and the majority of the people that contributed to that thread were backing Apocalypse up. Most of the people that were backing WW in the Apoc-WW thread were DC fanboys or and Apocalypse haters(Omega Vision for one). All the other regulars or and Marvel/Apocalypse fanboys were backing Apocalypse. Again, over 60% of people were backing Apocalypse.
The Hulk/Juggernaut thread Apocalypse also won, but i'm not going to look back.

But Apoc's highest feats put him there and his lowest feats STILL put him at the high herald range.

Diana/SG/Hulk's lowest feats would put them at meta-level.

Originally posted by 753
His control over his own molecules and bond with celestial technorganic crap can probably handle stark's nanotech. each nanite payload is tailored specifically toward the recipient.

apocs lowest feats let him get beaten by a colander.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
apocs lowest feats let him get beaten by a colander.

Apoc is undefeated in one on one combat while at full power. So no.

Originally posted by TheTyrant

lowest feats STILL put him at the high herald range.
I wasn't aware you needed to be High Herald to dodge a table. Hell Alfred Pennyworth could do that.

Hey everyone! Alfred Pennyworth is a High Herald.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
each nanite payload is tailored specifically toward the recipient. Even so, I put more faith in his and his tech's capacity to adapt and overcome than on stark's genius.

Poccy is not above high herald though, most of them would crush him.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wasn't aware you needed to be High Herald to dodge a table. Hell Alfred Pennyworth could do that.

Hey everyone! Alfred Pennyworth is a High Herald.

Can Alfred also one-shot Namor? Can Supergirl whom you were backing in the other thread one-shot Namor? I thought not.

Originally posted by 753
Poccy is not above high herald though, most of them would crush him.

It's debatable he's even at their level, much less above them.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Can Alfred also one-shot Namor? Can Supergirl whom you were backing in the other thread one-shot Namor? I thought not.

Thor can. Just like he'll one shot Apoc.

Originally posted by 753
Poccy is not above high herald though, most of them would crush him.

Supergirl is considered a high herald. She can crush Apocalypse?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Can Alfred also one-shot Namor? yup.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's debatable he's even at their level, much less above them.

Says the guy that thinks Iron Man/Supergirl would defeat Apocalypse.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor can. Just like he'll one shot Apoc.

Thor can win against Apocalype but he would never one-shot Apoc. Nobody below Thanos/Seid can.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Says the guy that thinks Iron Man/Supergirl would defeat Apocalypse.

Iron Man, it depends on the suit and prep time.

Supergirl can and would beat Apoc.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Thor can win against Apocalype but he would never one-shot Apoc. Nobody below Thanos/Seid can.

Lol.

Thor one shots Apoc.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Can Alfred also one-shot Namor? Can Supergirl whom you were backing in the other thread one-shot Namor? I thought not.
I wasn't saying Alfred could, only that your statement that only taking Apoc's low showings into account he's High Herald is total bullshit.

When did he oneshot Namor? Was that 616?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man, it depends on the suit and prep time.

Supergirl can and would beat Apoc.

He wishes.

She wishe.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol.

Thor one shots Apoc.

No. Harbinger of Apocalypse already crushed Thor the second time they fought. Apocalypse > Harbinger.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Supergirl is considered a high herald. She can crush Apocalypse?
She's actually considered to be in the upper crust of Mid Herald.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
She's actually considered to be in the upper crust of Mid Herald.

And Apocalypse > Supergirl. I guess he is a high herald after all.

Even if Supergirl is more powerful than Apoc, Nur can always mindrape her. He hasn't displayed his mind-raping abilities you say? Ok, he reads her mind like that red guy in LOSH was doing.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And Apocalypse > Supergirl. I guess he is a high herald after all.
You've yet to prove he's > Supergirl. And drop this bullshit ABC ranking.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And Apocalypse > Supergirl. I guess he is a high herald after all.

Even if Supergirl is more powerful than Apoc, Nur can always mindrape her. He hasn't displayed his mind-raping abilities you say? Ok, he reads her mind like that red guy in LOSH was doing.
Prove he can mind-rape. Go on. I'm waiting.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Prove he can mind-rape. Go on. I'm waiting.

A red-skinned guy read her mind in a LoSH issue. He was working with Brainiac undercover and was trying to send Supergirl back to her own time-era.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
A red-skinned guy read her mind in a LoSH issue. He was working with Brainiac undercover and was trying to send Supergirl back to her own time-era.
So you're projecting feats again?

That doesn't prove Apoc can mind-rape her. You have no proof Apoc even has baseline telepathy, let alone the ability to mind-rape a Kryptonian.

Also mind reading=/=mind-rape. That's pretty obvious.

i kno its just the wiki page, but it says he has limited tele and teke powers

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Uatu considered him his peer.
He stalemated an evolved High Evolutionary
Casually tanked Blac....i'm not going to argue this with you again.


A character "considering" another character a certain way doesn't really prove anything. Also, Rulk killed a watcher. Guess that makes him skyfather level then.
High Evolutionary cowered against Ultron and hid behind Adam Warlock like a *****.
Yeah. You really didn't do all too well proving your point there, too. :-/

Using 2 vague non-feats and using ANOTHER character with vastly inconsistent showings to "prove" your point. Good job.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
There is no way that Apocalypse lost the Supergirl thread. Only some people said that Matrix SG would defeat Apocalypse, but the rest and the majority of the people that contributed to that thread were backing Apocalypse up. Most of the people that were backing WW in the Apoc-WW thread were DC fanboys or and Apocalypse haters(Omega Vision for one). All the other regulars or and Marvel/Apocalypse fanboys were backing Apocalypse. Again, over 60% of people were backing Apocalypse.

Only in your eyes. To any unbiased observer, the thread was mostly inconclusive. That's the problem with you, you consider ANY kind of inconclusive outcome as favoring Apoc by default. This shows a biased/subjective interpretation of results.


Originally posted by TheTyrant
The Hulk/Juggernaut thread Apocalypse also won, but i'm not going to look back.

Maybe you should.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
But Apoc's highest feats put him there and his lowest feats STILL put him at the high herald range.

Table dodging must be high-high herald level....

PS. STOP MAKING ME AGREE WITH THE DC PPL DAMMIT!!!

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you're projecting feats again?

That doesn't prove Apoc can mind-rape her. You have no proof Apoc even has baseline telepathy, let alone the ability to mind-rape a Kryptonian.

Also mind reading=/=mind-rape. That's pretty obvious.

He hasn't displayed mind-raping abilities, which is why I said "Nur can always mindrape her. He hasn't displayed his mind-raping abilities you say? Ok, he reads her mind like that red guy in LOSH was doing."

can anyone post that table scan.... pleaseeeeeeee!

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He hasn't displayed mind-raping abilities, which is why I said "Nur can always mindrape her. He hasn't displayed his mind-raping abilities you say? Ok, he reads her mind like that red guy in LOSH was doing."
How does mind-reading accomplish anything other than helping him predict which of his orifices Supergirl is going to shove her fist down?

I love how you establish and abandon your mind-rape argument in a single post and then move on to a flimsy tactic that isn't even supported by concrete evidence.

I think we've finally found someone Quanchi could beat in a debate.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
A character "considering" another character a certain way doesn't really prove anything. Also, Rulk killed a watcher. Guess that makes him skyfather level then.
High Evolutionary cowered against Ultron and hid behind Adam Warlock like a *****.
Yeah. You really didn't do all too well proving your point there, too. :-/

Using 2 vague non-feats and using ANOTHER character with vastly inconsistent showings to "prove" your point. Good job.



Only in your eyes. To any unbiased observer, the thread was mostly inconclusive. That's the problem with you, you consider ANY kind of inconclusive outcome as favoring Apoc by default. This shows a biased/subjective interpretation of results.




Maybe you should.



Table dodging must be high-high herald level....

PS. STOP MAKING ME AGREE WITH THE DC PPL DAMMIT!!!

H/E wasn't evolved in Conquest. He was in the Evolutionary Wars. Big difference.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think we've finally found someone Quanchi could beat in a debate.

mmm

ha-jam

Originally posted by TheTyrant
H/E wasn't evolved in Conquest. He was in the Evolutionary Wars. Big difference.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
can anyone post that table scan.... pleaseeeeeeee!

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy35qm.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy49pc.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

It's not that bad considering that he also took down a hydrated Namor.

In his defense he did manage to dodge the thing

Originally posted by TheTyrant
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy35qm.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy49pc.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

It's not that bad considering that he also took down a hydrated Namor.
Looks to me like the chick took down Namor.

Originally posted by 753
In his defense he did manage to dodge the thing
So he's at least Low-Mid Streetleveler.

Originally posted by TheTyrant

It's not that bad considering that he also took down a hydrated Namor.

I read the scans. "He took down a hydrated Namor"....

Apparently, in your interpretations, Apoc running away and having one of his goons take Namor down is proof that Apoc took a hydrated Namor down. I DEARLY HOPE this isn't your "proof" that he can also:

Originally posted by TheTyrant
one-shot Namor

Cuz if it is, then I'm no longer debating with you. You're too far gone...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How does mind-reading accomplish anything other than helping him predict which of his orifices Supergirl is going to shove her fist down?

I love how you establish and abandon your mind-rape argument in a single post and then move on to a flimsy tactic that isn't even supported by concrete evidence.

I think we've finally found someone Quanchi could beat in a debate.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers10.png

He mind read Ozymandias. No context is behind this.
He mind reads Supergirl and predicts her next move(s). Simple.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy35qm.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy49pc.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/namorvspoccy53gj.jpg

It's not that bad considering that he also took down a hydrated Namor. is that 90s? the artists terrible imagining of namor looks like so.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I read the scans. "He took down a hydrated Namor"....

Apparently, in your interpretations, Apoc running away and having one of his goons take Namor down is proof that Apoc took a hydrated Namor down. I DEARLY HOPE this isn't your "proof" that he can also:



Cuz if it is, then I'm no longer debating with you. You're too far gone...

He put Namor down after Namor got a cheap shot in. Namor got up and chucked a table at Apoc which Apocalypse dodged. Then it would have been over, Namor got lucky that one of Apocalypse' horsemen interferred or else he would have had his head knocked off.

If Apoc was ready, that hit would have been fatal for Namor

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Prove it.

I can't find the scans, but if you do find and read all of them issues, you would know.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He put Namor down after Namor got a cheap shot in. Namor got up and chucked a table at Apoc which Apocalypse dodged. Then it would have been over, Namor got lucky that one of Apocalypse' horsemen interferred or else he would have had his head knocked off.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers10.png

He mind read Ozymandias. No context is behind this.
He mind reads Supergirl and predicts her next move(s). Simple.
Predicting moves doesn't matter if he's too slow to react.

Also one feat doesn't prove the ability to read a Kryptonian mind. Even Martian Manhunter has trouble tapping into Kryptonian minds.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He put Namor down after Namor got a cheap shot in. Namor got up and chucked a table at Apoc which Apocalypse dodged. Then it would have been over, Namor got lucky that one of Apocalypse' horsemen interferred or else he would have had his head knocked off.

If Apoc was ready, that hit would have been fatal for Namor
Wow. You're sad.

More accurately Apoc is lucky one of his Horsemen picked up his slack and took care of mean old table-man for him.

Lol at Apoc killing Namor with one blow.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I can't find the scans, but if you do find and read all of them issues, you would know.

You made the claims. You need to prove it. Otherwise, you need to man up and say "I have no proof".

Iron Man drops the helicarrier on Apoc.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wow. You're sad.

More accurately Apoc is lucky one of his Horsemen picked up his slack and took care of mean old table-man for him.

Lol at Apoc killing Namor with one blow.

He's too far gone. Best thing for us to do is back away slowly and tell him that we're not going to hurt him, we're friends and everything's going to be all right...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Predicting moves doesn't matter if he's too slow to react.

Also one feat doesn't prove the ability to read a Kryptonian mind. Even Martian Manhunter has trouble tapping into Kryptonian minds.

Apocalypse =/= Martian Manhunter. Apocalypse is a mutant, J'onn is a martian.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wow. You're sad.

More accurately Apoc is lucky one of his Horsemen picked up his slack and took care of mean old table-man for him.

Lol at Apoc killing Namor with one blow.

Too bad it's true.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse =/= Martian Manhunter. Apocalypse is a mutant, J'onn is a martian.

Which proves what?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse =/= Martian Manhunter. Apocalypse is a mutant, J'onn is a martian.
You're right. MM is way better than Apoc. Thanks for clarifying.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Too bad it's true.
Exactly what strength/battle feats does Apoc have that suggest he can one-shot kill a being who has traded blows with Savage Hulk?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Which proves what?

He said that MM couldn't read kryptonian minds because they are 'different' than human minds. I said that Apocalypse is a mutant and not an alien, which destorys that arguement totally as a mutants telepatical powers =/= an alien's telepathical powers going by OV's logic.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Exactly what strength/battle feats does Apoc have that suggest he can one-shot kill a being who has traded blows with Savage Hulk?

He restrained base Hulk at average size. He pimp smacked Cable down...the same Cable that took down an enraged Hulk in the previous issue(Onslaught saga)

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He said that MM couldn't read kryptonian minds because they are 'different' than human minds. I said that Apocalypse is a mutant and not an alien, which destorys that arguement totally as a mutants telepatical powers =/= an alien's telepathical powers going by OV's logic.
I never said that, only that Kryptonian minds are more difficult for any telepath to work with than human minds.

If Martian Manhunter, one of the best telepaths in comics has some trouble entering a Kryptonian mind then how can Apoc hope to enter it when he has one shaky feat?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He restrained base Hulk at average size. He pimp smacked Cable down...the same Cable that took down an enraged Hulk in the previous issue(Onslaught saga)
None of those would be beyond Namor's abilities.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're right. MM is way better than Apoc. Thanks for clarifying.

In telepathy. In regards of combat, Apoc would crush MM by turning his hands into flame-throwers..

Originally posted by TheTyrant
In telepathy. In regards of combat, Apoc would crush MM by turning his hands into flame-throwers..
Fire isn't an insta-win against MM just like Kryptonite isn't an insta-win against Superman.

MM would shit stomp Apoc in a fight.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I never said that, only that Kryptonian minds are more difficult for any telepath to work with than human minds.

If Martian Manhunter, one of the best telepaths in comics has some trouble entering a Kryptonian mind then how can Apoc hope to enter it when he has one shaky feat?

There are other ones such as mind-blasting Exodus and stuff. I can't find the scans unfortunately.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
None of those would be beyond Namor's abilities.

They are going by Namor and Hulk's previous encounters.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He said that MM couldn't read kryptonian minds because they are 'different' than human minds. I said that Apocalypse is a mutant and not an alien, which destorys that arguement totally as a mutants telepatical powers =/= an alien's telepathical powers going by OV's logic.

He showed that certain aspects of the Kryptonian mind makes them difficult to read unlike humans. Unless it has been proven that MM can only read human minds (based on your reasoning), then you have even less proof than OV that mutants will fare better.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Fire isn't an insta-win against MM just like Kryptonite isn't an insta-win against Superman.

MM would shit stomp Apoc in a fight.

If it helps you sleep better at night.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I can't find the scans unfortunately.
There's a statement that follows you around.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
If it helps you sleep better at night.
Martian Manhunter has all of Apoc's abilities and more. Size manipulation is the one area Apoc truly beats MM but it really doesn't matter.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
If it helps you sleep better at night.

Let me be the first to say that I'm an avid Marvel fan.

That I also hate MM, cuz I think he's lame.

Sadly, MM WILL stomp Apoc.

Stop making me agree with the DC folks. It hurts...! T_T

Originally posted by TheTyrant
There are other ones such as mind-blasting Exodus and stuff. I can't find the scans unfortunately. Scans or it didn't happen.

The only cannon encounters between the two occur in the Black Knight one-shot, in which Apocalypse displays no telepathic abilities.

No one has ever shown anything that would lead one to conclude Apocalypse has telepathic powers, let alone substantive enough abilities to even be considered a red-headed stepchild to MM.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Let me be the first to say that I'm an avid Marvel fan.

That I also hate MM, cuz I think he's lame.

Sadly, MM WILL stomp Apoc.

Stop making me agree with the DC folks. It hurts...! T_T
Trolls tend to have the reverse effect to their intentions, galvanizing their opposition and turning would-be allies into opponents.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's a statement that follows you around.

Martian Manhunter has all of Apoc's abilities and more. Size manipulation is the one area Apoc truly beats MM but it really doesn't matter.

Tell me, can MM create functioning weapons out of himself? Can he turn his body into steel? Can he teleport? Can matter manipulate? Does he have telekenisis(he might have this one)?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Let me be the first to say that I'm an avid Marvel fan.

That I also hate MM, cuz I think he's lame.

Sadly, MM WILL stomp Apoc.

Stop making me agree with the DC folks. It hurts...! T_T

MM is a horrible character. I mean who likes a martian that goes "They do not understand me. But how can they? I am from another WORLD" in 80% of his appearences?

Based on? Apoc is more versatile and has more powers.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Trolls tend to have the reverse effect to their intentions, galvanizing their opposition and turning would-be allies into opponents.

I'm getting out of here before I start waving a Superman flag.

That'll be the end of all I tellz ya! Teh end of all!!

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Can matter manipulate?One-time feat. Storm can matter manipulate with her lightning too then.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Scans or it didn't happen.

The only cannon encounters between the two occur in the Black Knight one-shot, in which Apocalypse displays no telepathic abilities.

No one has ever shown anything that would lead one to conclude Apocalypse has telepathic powers, let alone substantive enough abilities to even be considered a red-headed stepchild to MM.

Apocalypse created a force-field around himself then tanked Exodus' blast and then returned the favour via psi-blast(it might have been telekenisis, but I doubt it).

He read Ozymandias' mind as well. So he does have atleast basic telepathy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One-time feat. Storm can matter manipulate with her lightning too then.

He also created a creature in front of Exodus from distance IIRC.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse created a force-field around himself then tanked Exodus' blast and then returned the favour via psi-blast(it might have been telekenisis, but I doubt it). ORLY

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He also created a creature in front of Exodus from distance IIRC. Creature is already talking before emerging from the ground. Creature emerges from the ground. Note falling sand, from emergence.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
ORLY

Telekenisis then.

looks more like tk, apocalypse can seemingly tk hover as well *shrugs*

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Creature is already talking before emerging from the ground. Creature emerges from the ground. Note falling sand, from emergence.

How did it emerge from there? Also, Apocalypse is talking to Exodus through that creature via telepathy.

could be a shape-shifted apocalypse? (i didn't read the issue)

Originally posted by TheTyrant
How did it emerge from there? Also, Apocalypse is talking to Exodus through that creature via telepathy. Don't care how it emerged, there's no indication of matter manipulation.

Telepathy is depicted with cloud bubbles with dashes. Ergo, not telepathy.

Prove it. Oh you can't. 'Cause it's nothing but wishful thinking.

All of Spider-Man's appearances, are actually Emma Frost talking through him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Don't care how it emerged, there's no indication of matter manipulation.

Telepathy is depicted with cloud bubbles with dashes. Ergo, not telepathy.

Prove it. Oh you can't. 'Cause it's nothing but wishful thinking.

All of Spider-Man's appearances, are actually Emma Frost talking through him.

It actually makes sense that it was matter manipulation. Because if it was tech or whatever, then it would have been indicated or narrated.

Apocalypse telepathically took control over the creature and talked through it. That's what I meant.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
It actually makes sense that it was matter manipulation. Because if it was tech or whatever, then it would have been indicated or narrated.

Apocalypse telepathically took control over the creature and talked through it. That's what I meant. Or it was just a weird-assed Scarab Beast creature that was laying in wait. Occam's Razor.

Or the Scarab Beast was just talking. Occam's Razor.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or it was just a weird-assed Scarab Beast creature that was laying in wait. Occam's Razor.

Or the Scarab Beast was just talking. Occam's Razor.

Then it would have been indicated. It doesn't make sense for a random creature to just appear and start saying things like "your potential is being realized" to Exodus.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Then it would have been indicated.What would have been indicated? If it was just the Scarab Beast emerging from the sand and talking, it would have been indicated that it was just the Scarab Beast emerging from the sand and talking? Oh wait that's exactly what's depicted. Originally posted by TheTyrant
It doesn't make sense for a random creature to just appear and start saying things like "your potential is being realized" to Exodus. It fits perfectly fine within the story to have a minion disciple say crap like that. Moreso than fanboy power spazz.

Additionally, upon further inspection, the effect of the Jewel of Rama-Tut turns Ozymandias to stone, not matter manipulation. So there are no instances whatsoever of matter manipulation, not even crappy one-off incidents.

It's funny how xmarks just tosses scans in Tyrant's face, forcing him to double back on his erroneous and subjective interpretations of feats that he's spurts matter-of-factly with no basis of proof whatsoever... lol.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's funny how xmarks just tosses scans in Tyrant's face, forcing him to double back on his erroneous and subjective interpretations of feats that he's spurts matter-of-factly with no basis of proof whatsoever... lol. aside from the monster rising out of the sand thing, he was pwning

Originally posted by psycho gundam
aside from the monster rising out of the sand thing, he was pwning

Lemme review...

In exactly what part was he pwning at? Or is this all just sarcasm?

well, the monster thing could have been apocalypse just as much as it could have been some minion or whatever.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, the monster thing could have been apocalypse just as much as it could have been some minion or whatever.

Is that the only part you read? O_o

Originally posted by psycho gundam
aside from the monster rising out of the sand thing, he was pwning

Lemme recap the whole debate for you so you can be abreast of the whole thing....

Page 1: Threadstarter gives out the stips on the matchup. Majority of the people agree that IM is more or less below Apocalypse and believe that Apoc will handily take this match.

Page 2: A few disagreements here and there. Suddenly, TheTyrant makes the claim that in the debates here, Apocalypse has beaten Supergirl (solo) as well as Hulk AND Juggernaught combined then makes the claim that Apoc should also beat Superman and Black Adam. Shitstorm begins. It appears that TheTyrant has convinced himself that in those inconclusive debates, Apocalypse won by a landslide. He then goes and tries to back up his previous claim that Apoc is trans-level by stating vague, non-feats that don't prove a damn thing. People facepalm.

Page 3: TheTyrant claims that Apoc one-shot Namor. Goes and presents no proof when called on it. Then claims that Thor can NEVER one-shot Apoc. Presents no proof. Then extrapolates that since his minion "crushed" Thor, then Apoc should be able to. Presents no proof. He then states that Apoc should be able mind-rape Supergirl THEN backs away from his argumentation and states that he should be able to read her mind. He did this all in a single line of text. Got called on it. Presents no proof. People facepalm some more.

Page 4: TheTyrant got called on his little mindrape claim and got ridiculed for it. Avoids many arguments that simply crushed all his claims and simply states that H/E wasn't evolved when he fought Ultron and was evolved when he fought Apoc. Got called on it. Presents no proof. Posts "table" scan and used this fight to state that Apoc destroyed Namor. When asked to present the "one-shot" claim and when asked if this was the fight where he got his claim, he opted to avoid the question. Makes the claim that Apoc destroyed Namor in this fight (to any other that read this fight, they fight and Apoc runs away in the end). People facepalm so hard that some (including me) are knocked unconscious (<--- is this the pwnage you're stating?).

Page 5: TheTyrant claims that Apoc's telepathy should work on Supergirl (even though MM's didn't) because he is a mutant. He states that Apoc would destroy MM in a telepathy fight. He also tries to prove this by stating that Apoc mindblasted Exodus. He is made to prove his many assumptions with scans. He could not. I wake up, read what's happening and start to wonder if it was actually a good idea to be a Marvel fan.

Page 6: TheTyrant starts making claims about Apocalypse's powerset such as force fields and long ranged matter manipulation as well as the ability to create creatures from a distance (the "monster from the sand" remark). Xmarks, no longer able to abide by such rampant butchery of the facts, calls him on it and posts scans in which TheTyrant suddenly backtracks on his force field assumption. Then backtracks on his matter manipulation assumption. THEN backtracks on his telepathy assumption. People who are STILL conscious (or regained consciousness) after this snicker in the background.

Page 7: I state that I find it funny how he was forced to backtrack after Xmarks posted scans. YOU then state that he was pwning til he made the claim of the "monster from the sand"....

I MEAN WTF MAN!!!

lol

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So he's at least Low-Mid Streetleveler.

Yes! At the very least mid-streetlevel, cause namor is strong!

But it could be worse, he could've fallen down some stairs....

Someone please photoshop Superman's face into the guy doing the pushing and the "S" symbol on to his shirt.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Lemme recap the whole debate for you so you can be abreast of the whole thing....

Page 1: Threadstarter gives out the stips on the matchup. Majority of the people agree that IM is more or less below Apocalypse and believe that Apoc will handily take this match.

Page 2: A few disagreements here and there. Suddenly, TheTyrant makes the claim that in the debates here, Apocalypse has beaten Supergirl (solo) as well as Hulk AND Juggernaught combined then makes the claim that Apoc should also beat Superman and Black Adam. Shitstorm begins. It appears that TheTyrant has convinced himself that in those inconclusive debates, Apocalypse won by a landslide. He then goes and tries to back up his previous claim that Apoc is trans-level by stating vague, non-feats that don't prove a damn thing. People facepalm.

Page 3: TheTyrant claims that Apoc one-shot Namor. Goes and presents no proof when called on it. Then claims that Thor can NEVER one-shot Apoc. Presents no proof. Then extrapolates that since his minion "crushed" Thor, then Apoc should be able to. Presents no proof. He then states that Apoc should be able mind-rape Supergirl THEN backs away from his argumentation and states that he should be able to read her mind. He did this all in a single line of text. Got called on it. Presents no proof. People facepalm some more.

Page 4: TheTyrant got called on his little mindrape claim and got ridiculed for it. Avoids many arguments that simply crushed all his claims and simply states that H/E wasn't evolved when he fought Ultron and was evolved when he fought Apoc. Got called on it. Presents no proof. Posts "table" scan and used this fight to state that Apoc destroyed Namor. When asked to present the "one-shot" claim and when asked if this was the fight where he got his claim, he opted to avoid the question. Makes the claim that Apoc destroyed Namor in this fight (to any other that read this fight, they fight and Apoc runs away in the end). People facepalm so hard that some (including me) are knocked unconscious (<--- is this the pwnage you're stating?).

Page 5: TheTyrant claims that Apoc's telepathy should work on Supergirl (even though MM's didn't) because he is a mutant. He states that Apoc would destroy MM in a telepathy fight. He also tries to prove this by stating that Apoc mindblasted Exodus. He is made to prove his many assumptions with scans. He could not. I wake up, read what's happening and start to wonder if it was actually a good idea to be a Marvel fan.

Page 6: TheTyrant starts making claims about Apocalypse's powerset such as force fields and long ranged matter manipulation as well as the ability to create creatures from a distance (the "monster from the sand" remark). Xmarks, no longer able to abide by such rampant butchery of the facts, calls him on it and posts scans in which TheTyrant suddenly backtracks on his force field assumption. Then backtracks on his matter manipulation assumption. THEN backtracks on his telepathy assumption. People who are STILL conscious (or regained consciousness) after this snicker in the background.

Page 7: I state that I find it funny how he was forced to backtrack after Xmarks posted scans. YOU then state that he was pwning til he made the claim of the "monster from the sand"....

I MEAN WTF MAN!!! lulz

i was talking about xmarks....................... facepalm "he was pwning" as in xmarks was on the money aside from the assertion that the monster guy was not apocalypse when it's like a 50% chance.

"YOU then state that he was pwning" whoa, when did i say tyrant was pwning? you assumed that and went all chris beniot n shit.

nobody agrees with tyrant

Originally posted by 753
Yes! At the very least mid-streetlevel, cause namor is strong!

But it could be worse, he could've fallen down some stairs....
Darkseid was powerless when that happened whereas Apoc was at full power when he dodged a table.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid was powerless when that happened whereas Apoc was at full power when he dodged a table.

And Balder was at full-power when he blocked a pie...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Balder was at full-power when he blocked a pie...
Balder is clearly Skyfather then. dur

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lulz

i was talking about xmarks....................... facepalm "he was pwning" as in xmarks was on the money aside from the assertion that the monster guy was not apocalypse when it's like a 50% chance.

"YOU then state that he was pwning" whoa, when did i say tyrant was pwning? you assumed that and went all chris beniot n shit.

nobody agrees with tyrant

Oh... good! LOL.

/hug

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Balder is clearly Skyfather then. dur



Almost abstract lv actually.

uhuh

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid was powerless when that happened whereas Apoc was at full power when he dodged a table.

Why would you actually try to defend that? Now I'll have to mock you and DS everytime there is thread about him.

when was the last time someone posted something about Ironman in this thread ????