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Who wins?

Thanos stomps.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos stomps. Against a being who destroyed one universe right after the other with ease?

Originally posted by lawest9
Against a being who destroyed one universe right after the other with ease? Without a doubt. Once they gathered and fought him im combat he was nowhere as powerful or as versatile as the ig user. Ig user can blink heroes out of existence whereas supergirl almost killed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Without a doubt. Once they gathered and fought him im combat he was nowhere as powerful or as versatile as the ig user. Ig user can blink heroes out of existence whereas supergirl almost killed him. She only destroyed his armored form that maintained his vast energies, Remember he came back more powerful than ever afterwards and not even the omnipotent Spectre could stop him.

Originally posted by lawest9
She only destroyed his armored form that maintained his vast energies, Remember he came back more powerful than ever afterwards and not even the omnipotent Spectre could stop him. The Spectre didn't kill him because he was stealing the powers off the heroes which makes him even more laughable when comparing him to the ig user who can blink the opposition out of existence. Thanos can depower himself and destroy Am with a thought.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Spectre didn't kill him because he was stealing the powers off the heroes which makes him even more laughable when comparing him to the ig user who can blink the opposition out of existence. Thanos can depower himself and destroy Am with a thought. Heroes perhaps, But not a being of the AM caliber....no way.

Originally posted by lawest9
Heroes perhaps, But not a being of the AM caliber....no way. So you admitted he could easily defeat the heroes which he couldn't defeat. The ig blinks him out of existence. You can add the Am to the abstracts who defy him and the result is still the same.

Originally posted by lawest9
Who wins?

Not the current version, probably.

COIE AM could though, at his peak.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not the current version, probably.

COIE AM could though, at his peak. How?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How?

He'd beat the abstracts Thanos defeated, as well.

Beating 616 abstracts isn't the be all, end all, as they're merely universal in nature, while peak COIE Anti-Monitor absorbed the power of every universe he destroyed, and beat a tanked up Spectre.

Originally posted by cdtm
He'd beat the abstracts Thanos defeated, as well.

Beating 616 abstracts isn't the be all, end all, as they're merely universal in nature, while peak COIE Anti-Monitor absorbed the power of every universe he destroyed, and beat a tanked up Spectre. Galactus alone would beat him. If he gets beat up by heroes how is he going to beat Death, 2 celestials, Galactus, etc.? Seriously?

Thanos crushed the abstracts whereas Coie Am got killed by heroes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus alone would beat him. If he gets beat up by heroes how is he going to beat Death, 2 celestials, Galactus, etc.? Seriously?

Thanos crushed the abstracts whereas Coie Am got killed by heroes.

They beat AM through plot devices and weakness exploitation. Adam
Warlock did the same thing to Nebula with the IG, and only didn't get the chance to do the same thing to Thanos because he couldn't hold onto the thing. In a Flash story, we saw how easily AM could've killed the heroes if not for plot devices.

Power for power, AM is waaaaaay above the abstracts of a single universe, as proven by how he defeated Spectre, a being above Galactus (And likely the other abstracts.)

Originally posted by cdtm
They beat AM through plot devices and weakness exploitation. Adam
Warlock did the same thing to Nebula with the IG, and only didn't get the chance to do the same thing to Thanos because he couldn't hold onto the thing. In a Flash story, we saw how easily AM could've killed the heroes if not for plot devices.

Power for power, AM is waaaaaay above the abstracts of a single universe, as proven by how he defeated Spectre, a being above Galactus (And likely the other abstracts.) They got the ig off of her because the tactic would have never worked on Thanos. The Am was beaten down. He was beaten down prior to, leeched power off the heroes, etc. He was nowhere near as impressive as the ig and Thanos or warlock with the gems was above any hero being a threat at all.

Thanos subconsciously allowed himself to be defeated after he stomped all who opposed him. Am was bitter, was a total failure, and was killed by Superman. It's not even close in terms of power, capabilities, etc. Ig rapes any Am. There's nothing he can do to harm an ig user.

Spectre didn't want to kill him so he lived because the heroes fates were tied to his own. Am would have been destroyed had he not leeched off their powers. Context.

Probably AM.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Probably AM. How?

IG wins, as stated mere heroes could fight AM, and he was apparently weak enough that absorbing their power made a huge difference. Meanwhile the only time superheroes came close to Thanos was when he purposefully wanted them to be able too.

Originally posted by King Kandy
IG wins, as stated mere heroes could fight AM, and he was apparently weak enough that absorbing their power made a huge difference. Meanwhile the only time superheroes came close to Thanos was when he purposefully wanted them to be able too.

Funny how mere heroes are what ended up defeating Magus and Nebula when they had the IG.

As for how he could win: By overpowering him?

Also, it's laughable that your biggest argument against AM is that heroes could fight him, than claim Galactus could defeat him who's made a career of being defeated by mere heroes.

Also, the heroes that fought Thanos could be defeated by a mere Cosmic Cube, which is something Galactus is well above, despite the fact that Big G often loses to... heroes.

Originally posted by cdtm
Funny how mere heroes are what ended up defeating Magus and Nebula when they had the IG.

As for how he could win: By overpowering him?

Also, it's laughable that your biggest argument against AM is that heroes could fight him, than claim Galactus could defeat him who's made a career of being defeated by mere heroes.

Also, the heroes that fought Thanos could be defeated by a mere Cosmic Cube, which is something Galactus is well above, despite the fact that Big G often loses to... heroes. Very good points!

Come to think of it, it's odd that Quanchi pushed so hard for the current version of the Anti Life Equation in that Orion with ALE vs Odin thread, yet he's assuming Thanos is using the complete, fully working Infinity Gauntlet despite the fact that the current versions of the gems are forbidden by Eternity from working in unison.

Anti-Monitor.

Originally posted by King Kandy
IG wins, as stated mere heroes could fight AM, and he was apparently weak enough that absorbing their power made a huge difference. Meanwhile the only time superheroes came close to Thanos was when he purposefully wanted them to be able too.

Originally posted by King Kandy
IG wins, as stated mere heroes could fight AM, and he was apparently weak enough that absorbing their power made a huge difference. Meanwhile the only time superheroes came close to Thanos was when he purposefully wanted them to be able too. This was after he broke out of creation, to stand and witness the events the events that proceeded it. A time before time existed. Funny that those heros were providing him enough energy to essentially replace God as the hand that made all creation, making all creation part of his Anti-Matter realm by destroying all that ever was before it even existed which was what he was trying to do there.

Also, you'd have to be ignoring the fact the heros were laying into him with absolutely everything they had. The initial attack alone would have decimated a solar system, and he didn't even budge, flinch, or give a damn. And he was letting them continue to attack for several panels before humbling all of them at once with one move.

He then tells us that this is him AFTER EXPENDING -ALL- OF HIS OWN ENERGY and that he waited for the heros to come so he could use theirs to finish the task!

Anti-Monitor was unapproachable and unbeatable until Spectre stepped onto the battlefield.

And the two unleashed so much sheer energy that the multiverse being born and the time before time and reality even existed shattered. Literally the panels of the comic falling apart into a pale whiteness. Spectre saw universes that would never be, shapes colors and concepts undreamt of even by his omnipotent master, who thoughts created all that existed.

So yeah, I guess if we ignore all that, you could be on to something. Because it's not until the issues that follow that moment were he even gets challenged by anyone less than God's wrath.

Thanos wins. 616 abstracts are more than universal.

Originally posted by cdtm
Come to think of it, it's odd that Quanchi pushed so hard for the current version of the Anti Life Equation in that Orion with ALE vs Odin thread, yet he's assuming Thanos is using the complete, fully working Infinity Gauntlet despite the fact that the current versions of the gems are forbidden by Eternity from working in unison.
Actually they do work in unison. Reed used them in illuminati.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Thanos wins. 616 abstracts are more than universal.

Uhh, no they're not.

That's why they're called the "616 abstracts", because they're abstracts of the 616 universe, like every universe gets their own set of abstracts.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Thanos wins. 616 abstracts are more than universal. No they aren't...

I'd say IG wins this.By how I read it AM was extremely powerful.Powerful enough to beat spectre.However after he did this it seemed his power was very taxed.And thats why he was weakened enough to be beat by the heroes.Thanos on the other hand beat the best the universe could throw at him and it showed nothing that would say he wasn't still at full power.It seems that the AM would need a constant supply of energy(such as the sun the the heroes destroyed so they could kill him)while thanos needs only the gauntlet.I just believe thanos has more impressive feats here and he's not going to weaken.AM would need to be near LT level to win here and I don't believe he is that.

Originally posted by cdtm
Uhh, no they're not.

That's why they're called the "616 abstracts", because they're abstracts of the 616 universe, like every universe gets their own set of abstracts.

Fantastic Four v3 46-49 and FF annual 2001

Originally posted by cdtm
Funny how mere heroes are what ended up defeating Magus and Nebula when they had the IG.

As for how he could win: By overpowering him?

Also, it's laughable that your biggest argument against AM is that heroes could fight him, than claim Galactus could defeat him who's made a career of being defeated by mere heroes.

Also, the heroes that fought Thanos could be defeated by a mere Cosmic Cube, which is something Galactus is well above, despite the fact that Big G often loses to... heroes. Magus wasn't just defeated by mere heroes he was defeated by Infinity and Eternity as well and he didn't even have the whole ig which was the only reason he went down anyways. Context.

Nebula didn't have enough time with the ig and Thanos would have never been caught like she was. This is Thanos with the ig the guy who wiped his asss with the heroes after depowering himself to give them a sporting chance. Thanos wipes his ass with the Am.

Originally posted by cdtm
Come to think of it, it's odd that Quanchi pushed so hard for the current version of the Anti Life Equation in that Orion with ALE vs Odin thread, yet he's assuming Thanos is using the complete, fully working Infinity Gauntlet despite the fact that the current versions of the gems are forbidden by Eternity from working in unison. In a thread here when you have the whole ig it works in unison. Try and use some common sense.

Yo.

the post above mine =

anyways, I think Thanos takes this; saying theyre a universe where they work that is.




Tazer

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Fantastic Four v3 46-49 and FF annual 2001 Scans please.

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Any reason to post that?

The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes. The AM had the power of everything. The Gems would not beat the AM. They would get absorbed since they are essentially just the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616. Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel. AM absorbed the power of artifacts that are as powerful as the IG into himself as well. We are forgetting he was getting the power of everything inside those universes. Like, The Oan Battery. Which itself is a multiversal wrecker. And the power of the Anti-life equation. The Worlogog. Etc. Those were all part of his power.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes. The AM had the power of everything. The Gems would not beat the AM. They would get absorbed since they are essentially just the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616. Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel. AM absorbed the power of artifacts that are as powerful as the IG into himself as well. We are forgetting he was getting the power of everything inside those universes. Like, The Oan Battery. Which itself is a multiversal wrecker. And the power of the Anti-life equation. The Worlogog. Etc. Those were all part of his power.

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Originally posted by lightyeargee

The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat
is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes.
616 Eternity is the center of all reality,
it is from 616 Eternity how Universes are born/die,
in fact, 616 Eternity has the power to re-create all UniverseS:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721892_etpf1.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"


(Infinity is part of this, but sometimes she's depicted, sometimes not, many times Eternity is both)

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This is no surprise, when Dr Strange met 616 Eternity back in the 70's this is what he said:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1582628_etisuni2copysh4.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

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This is why 616 Eternity dies .. the Omniverse dies:


Uatu and the Watchers realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362337_ETR1.jpg

"We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "


..................................................................................


Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362338_ETR2.jpg


"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

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..................................................................................


Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.

..................................................................................


Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6189/616re0.th.jpg

"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"


Originally posted by lightyeargee

the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616.

Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel.
False!

Hello Mr. Master!

Your presense is required in the 'Mxy vs Thanos with IG' thread...

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Originally posted by Mr Master
616 Eternity is the center of all reality,
it is from 616 Eternity how Universes are born/die,
in fact, 616 Eternity has the power to re-create all UniverseS:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721892_etpf1.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"


(Infinity is part of this, but sometimes she's depicted, sometimes not, many times Eternity is both)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


This is no surprise, when Dr Strange met 616 Eternity back in the 70's this is what he said:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1582628_etisuni2copysh4.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


This is why 616 Eternity dies .. the Omniverse dies:


Uatu and the Watchers realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362337_ETR1.jpg

"We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "


..................................................................................


Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362338_ETR2.jpg


"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

..................................................................................


..................................................................................


Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.

..................................................................................


Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6189/616re0.th.jpg

"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"



False!

/thread

Originally posted by Juntai
This was after he broke out of creation, to stand and witness the events the events that proceeded it. A time before time existed. Funny that those heros were providing him enough energy to essentially replace God as the hand that made all creation, making all creation part of his Anti-Matter realm by destroying all that ever was before it even existed which was what he was trying to do there.

Also, you'd have to be ignoring the fact the heros were laying into him with absolutely everything they had. The initial attack alone would have decimated a solar system, and he didn't even budge, flinch, or give a damn. And he was letting them continue to attack for several panels before humbling all of them at once with one move.

He then tells us that this is him AFTER EXPENDING -ALL- OF HIS OWN ENERGY and that he waited for the heros to come so he could use theirs to finish the task!

Anti-Monitor was unapproachable and unbeatable until Spectre stepped onto the battlefield.

And the two unleashed so much sheer energy that the multiverse being born and the time before time and reality even existed shattered. Literally the panels of the comic falling apart into a pale whiteness. Spectre saw universes that would never be, shapes colors and concepts undreamt of even by his omnipotent master, who thoughts created all that existed.

So yeah, I guess if we ignore all that, you could be on to something. Because it's not until the issues that follow that moment were he even gets challenged by anyone less than God's wrath. Nice post.

Originally posted by Blanket
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crylaugh

lol

Anti-Monitor wins.

Thanos

Thanos wins.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes. The AM had the power of everything. The Gems would not beat the AM. They would get absorbed since they are essentially just the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616. Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel. AM absorbed the power of artifacts that are as powerful as the IG into himself as well. We are forgetting he was getting the power of everything inside those universes. Like, The Oan Battery. Which itself is a multiversal wrecker. And the power of the Anti-life equation. The Worlogog. Etc. Those were all part of his power.

You have zero clue what you are talking about. Wasn't even Omnipotent... LOL

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol

Anti-Monitor wins.

Based on what?

Originally posted by Mr Master
616 Eternity is the center of all reality, it is from 616 Eternity how Universes are born/die, in fact, 616 Eternity has the power to re-create all UniverseS:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721892_etpf1.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves, Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin, and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, ll Matter, lies, I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event, Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"Two things: (i) the only thing Dormammu did with this supposed multiversal power at Eternity's core was warp the 616 universe; and (ii) whether that representation of Eternity in the Defenders storyline is multiversal or not, the 616 Eternity that appeared in the Infinity Sagas was not multiversal. Originally posted by Mr Master
This is no surprise, when Dr Strange met 616 Eternity back in the 70's this is what he said:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1582628_etisuni2copysh4.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ... When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it, Past Present and Future"The term universe has been applied to places like Microverse, various realms, etc. It has not been exclusively used to mean "alternate universe." That is undeniable. Accordingly, there are two interpretations. Unfortunately, there is a glaring problem with your's when it comes to 616 Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas. Originally posted by Mr Master
This is why 616 Eternity dies .. the Omniverse dies:

Uatu and the Watchers realized that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies, the Omniverse will die:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362337_ETR1.jpg

"We concluded that the destruction of This Universe, while still bounded by the speed of light, would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would, paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ... we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "616 Galactus' death would precipitate the destruction of the entire Multiverse (and, in fact, did so on-panel during the Abraxas storyline). That does imbue 616 Galactus with multiversal consequence and even multiversal relevance. That does not make 616 Galactus multiversal in scope, i.e., 616 Galactus is every single Galactus across the Multiverse contained in one form. Neither does it make 616 Eternity multiversal in scope either.

616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas? Clearly universal. As were all the Abstracts that were defeated and showed up at the LT's tribunal. 616 Galactus performed surgery on the comatose form of 616 Eternity in Infinity War. He wasn't performing cosmic surgery on the multiverse. Also in Infinity War, Thanos was proposing going to an alternate universe to obtain an alternate IG to become master of that reality, same as anyone who possessed the 616 IG would become master of the 616 universe. Had the 616 IG offered mastery over all alternate universes throughout the Marvel Multiverse, his statement would have made no sense.

There is one Eternity for each one universe. That's been stated on-panel unequivocally. We've even seen them, e.g., the Eternity that showed up in the What If: Impossible Man Gained the Infinity Gauntlet? storyline represented that alternate universe. 616 Eternity represents the 616 universe. A Multi-Eternity would represent the Marvel Multiverse. The Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas? That was only 616 Eternity, representing the 616 universe. This isn't hard.

Accordingly, there is one set of Infinity Gems for each universe. We've seen them. Suggesting that the 616 Infinity Gems represent power over the entire Marvel Multiverse would make all alternate incarnations superfluous. That clearly is not the case.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
The Infinity Gems working in unison best feat is defeating the 616 abstracts and merging two universes. The AM had the power of everything. The Gems would not beat the AM. They would get absorbed since they are essentially just the power of the Infinity being who is just the creator of the 616. Not even the Omnipotent being of Marvel. AM absorbed the power of artifacts that are as powerful as the IG into himself as well. We are forgetting he was getting the power of everything inside those universes. Like, The Oan Battery. Which itself is a multiversal wrecker. And the power of the Anti-life equation. The Worlogog. Etc. Those were all part of his power.
wrong^

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Two things: (i) the only thing Dormammu did with this supposed multiversal power at Eternity's core was warp the 616 universe; and (ii) whether that representation of Eternity in the Defenders storyline is multiversal or not, the 616 Eternity that appeared in the Infinity Sagas was not multiversal. The term universe has been applied to places like Microverse, various realms, etc. It has not been exclusively used to mean "alternate universe." That is undeniable. Accordingly, there are two interpretations. Unfortunately, there is a glaring problem with your's when it comes to 616 Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas. 616 Galactus' death would precipitate the destruction of the entire Multiverse (and, in fact, did so on-panel during the Abraxas storyline). That does imbue 616 Galactus with multiversal consequence and even multiversal relevance. That does not make 616 Galactus multiversal in scope. Neither does it make 616 Eternity either.

616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas? Clearly universal. As were all the Abstracts that were defeated. 616 Galactus performed surgery on the comatose form of 616 Eternity in Infinity War. He wasn't performing cosmic surgery on the multiverse. Thanos was proposing going to an alternate universe to obtain an alternate IG to become master of that reality, same as anyone who possessed the 616 IG would become master of the 616 universe.

There is one Eternity for each one universe. That's been stated on-panel. 616 Eternity represents the 616 universe. The Eternity that showed up in the What If: Impossible Man Gained the Infinity Gauntlet? storyline represented that alternate universe. A Multi-Eternity would represent the Marvel Multiverse. The Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Sagas? That was only 616 Eternity, representing the 616 universe. This isn't hard.

Do you honestly have any proof of this. It is stated in Eternity's bio that the same Eternity in the Abraxas saga is the same as in the IG's saga. Not any different Eternity. One scan makes it clear that 616 Eternity is without a doubt the main Eternity... that gives birth to ALL universes. Of course this logically makes sense because 616 is the cornerstone of everything in Marvel. It goes.. it all goes. That is the positiion Thanos took for himself with absolute ease. You conceded Eternity's bio makes it clear it's the same Eternity yet what to dismiss this. Sorry can't happen. You also want to dismiss the fact that it is stated 616 is THE Eternity.

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Originally posted by Mr Master


I think you're looking at the 616 Eternity's death=Multiversal collapse in a strange, skewed way. I think you're assigning greater scope than is inherent in such a position. 616 Eternity may be the Domino that if knocked over would cause the collapse of all other Universes but its still just a single Domino. Its not ALL Dominoes.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think you're looking at the 616 Eternity's death=Multiversal collapse in a strange, skewed way. I think you're assigning greater scope than is inherent in such a position. 616 Eternity may be the Domino that if knocked over would cause the collapse of all other Universes but its still just a single Domino. Its not ALL Dominoes. clapclap

^ Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you honestly have any proof of this. It is stated in Eternity's bio that the same Eternity in the Abraxas saga is the same as in the IG's saga. Not any different Eternity. One scan makes it clear that 616 Eternity is without a doubt the main Eternity... that gives birth to ALL universes. Of course this logically makes sense because 616 is the cornerstone of everything in Marvel. It goes.. it all goes. That is the positiion Thanos took for himself with absolute ease. You conceded Eternity's bio makes it clear it's the same Eternity yet what to dismiss this. Sorry can't happen. You also want to dismiss the fact that it is stated 616 is THE Eternity. On-panel > bio. Galactus wasn't performing cosmic surgery on the entire damn multiverse, please.

"Main Eternity" =/= Multi-Eternity, same as "Main" and "First" Galactus =/= all Galactuses in one form.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you honestly have any proof of this. It is stated in Eternity's bio that the same Eternity in the Abraxas saga is the same as in the IG's saga. Not any different Eternity. One scan makes it clear that 616 Eternity is without a doubt the main Eternity... that gives birth to ALL universes. Of course this logically makes sense because 616 is the cornerstone of everything in Marvel. It goes.. it all goes. That is the positiion Thanos took for himself with absolute ease. You conceded Eternity's bio makes it clear it's the same Eternity yet what to dismiss this. Sorry can't happen. You also want to dismiss the fact that it is stated 616 is THE Eternity. Pwned.

^ Irony: Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, latch onto someone else because you can't face me on your own. .

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Irony: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

^ So you're trying to flatter me by acting in the same way that you accused me of acting? Irony.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So you're trying to flatter me by acting in the same way that you accused me of acting? Irony. You are latching onto my own responses so it's gotten even worse for you.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think you're looking at the 616 Eternity's death=Multiversal collapse in a strange, skewed way. I think you're assigning greater scope than is inherent in such a position. 616 Eternity may be the Domino that if knocked over would cause the collapse of all other Universes but its still just a single Domino. Its not ALL Dominoes.

I do appreciate you not quoting Mr. Masters entire post as that would just flood the page with a huge quote which isn't needed. I understand your point but you have to remember... 616 Eternity is outright stated to the one who birth's ALL universes and is the main Eternity. Which of course makes sense as it's 616 Eternity. So no they are ALL the same size dominoes here... We have one domino bigger than all others as a foundation with the other dominoes being the same size.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are latching onto my own responses so it's gotten even worse for you. No, I was pointing out the irony of you lambasting me for supporting another poster's argument out of a supposed cowardice, and then you apparently doing the same thing.

Also irony: latching onto your own past responses is a thing we all know you don't do well, seeing as how you contradict yourself regularly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, I was pointing out the irony of you lambasting me for supporting another poster's argument out of a supposed cowardice, and then you apparently doing the same thing.

Also irony: latching onto your own past responses is a thing we all know you don't do well, seeing as how you contradict yourself regularly. No, you were imitating me.


I never contradict myself.

^ Pointing out an ironic thing is not imitating that which is the subject of the irony. Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I do appreciate you not quoting Mr. Masters entire post as that would just flood the page with a huge quote which isn't needed. I understand your point but you have to remember... 616 Eternity is outright stated to the one who birth's ALL universes and is the main Eternity. Which of course makes sense as it's 616 Eternity. So no they are ALL the same size dominoes here... We have one domino bigger than all others as a foundation with the other dominoes being the same size. Even granting your unproven premise, "birth" =/= "contain" or "represent." That'd be Multi-Eternity.

Galactus is the "First Galactus." That doesn't make him all Galactuses contained in his form.

616 Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. C'mon.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

whether that representation of Eternity in the Defenders storyline is multiversal or not,
the 616 Eternity that appeared in the Infinity Sagas was not multiversal.

Whatever, the Dormy arc mentioned the term "Multiverse"
many more times than the Abraxas arc,
in fact, at one point, Dormy says, 'I conquered the Universe, well Multiverse in my case'
and yet, it's 616 Eternity's power that he has merged with.

Different arcs my ass, it's the same character, the SAME damn character,
616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.

616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362403_ETR4.jpg


616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362404_ETR5.jpg


616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362405_ETR6.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

A Multi-Eternity would represent the Marvel Multiverse.

There is no "multi" Eternity.

That name was given to Eternity by Captain Universe,
in order to differentiate Eternity from it's aspects.

But what some here have ignored, is that Captain Universe
called this so-called "multi" Eternity ... "Eternity"
he also called this so called "multi" Eternity .. "The Universe",
he did so, on the very SAME splash page where he calls 616 Eternity "multi" ...

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363867_ET-multi1.jpg


Reed (in the Abraxas arc) also called 'multi' Eternity, ... just .... "Eternity"

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363868_ET-multi2.jpg


Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... just Eternity ...

(no 'multi' .. or 'omni' for that matter)

... oh ... and just "The Universe"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792375_Et.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Accordingly, there is one set of Infinity Gems for each universe. We've seen them. Suggesting that the 616 Infinity Gems represent power over the entire Marvel Multiverse would make all alternate incarnations superfluous.

Starlin made it clear for us what Thanos became with the IG:

"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (Omniverse anyone?)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363111_igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg


That's because:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1825/igmakesyougod7zf.th.jpg

"Thanos, ... In-effect became God"


========================================


Jim Starlin

(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)

gets interviewed by Marvel Age.

Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories from the Writers themselves.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7315/igmakegod1bz0.th.jpg

"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin himself adds:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9950/igmakegod2zt8.th.jpg

"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"

^ Deflection and reliance on handbooks doesn't change that (i) Dormammu didn't do anything with this "multiversal" power but warp the 616 universe, (ii) the term "universe" has been used to describe realms that do not constitute entire alternate universes, so there is a perfectly plausible (indeed rational) explanation for any minute references you hold upon in contravention of the multitude of references to the contrary, (iii) reverse-projecting a multiversal Eternity onto the universal 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas throws the entire story into inanity, e.g., Galactus performs multiversal surgery, (iv) Cosmic Cube made Thanos, "God," too, so unless that made him multiversal, that purple prose is worth just as much, and (v) selective handbook reading is just that, selective handbook reading.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Deflection and reliance on handbooks doesn't change that (i) Dormammu didn't do anything with this "multiversal" power but warp the 616 universe, (ii) the term "universe" has been used to describe realms that do not constitute entire alternate universes, so there is a perfectly plausible (indeed rational) explanation for any minute references you hold upon in contravention of the multitude of references to the contrary, (iii) reverse-projecting a multiversal Eternity onto the universal 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas throws the entire story into inanity, e.g., Galactus performs multiversal surgery, (iv) Cosmic Cube made Thanos, "God," too, so unless that made him multiversal, that purple prose is worth just as much, and (v) selective handbook reading is just that, selective handbook reading.

So you're saying Dormammu wasn't Multiversal because he didn't perform multiversal feats? That is ludicris. The term multiversal as Masters points out was used MANY more times than in the Abraxas arc which you hold onto so dearly being a multiversal event. So your premise is that in order for something to be multiversal they have to exhibit that kinda of power each of their appearances? Is it not possible for someone or something to be multiversal without displaying said power all the time or some of the time? Furthermore, it is made clear by Marvel and it's canon... The same Eternity in the Abraxas arc is the same Eternity that Thanos defeated. There is no debate you just choose to ignore facts. I've asked for proof of this so many times and you have NONE... Prove that they were different eternity's in the respective stories... You have zero.. nada.. nothing. It's the SAME Eternity. Regardless of that, as I pointed out and as been stated on panel 616 is THE Eternity of all Eternity's period. The same one Thanos pwned with ease and took its place.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
(iii) reverse-projecting a multiversal Eternity onto the universal 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Sagas throws the entire story into inanity, e.g., Galactus performs multiversal surgery, This point is avoided nearly every time.

Originally posted by Galan007
This point is avoided nearly every time.

as are points brought up to the contrary... avoided with.. that doesn't count... those are just words..... who cares if it says multiversal I didn't see anything multiversal....I will just ignore what is said as canon because I don't like it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Pointing out an ironic thing is not imitating that which is the subject of the irony. Even granting your unproven premise, "birth" =/= "contain" or "represent." That'd be Multi-Eternity.

Galactus is the "First Galactus." That doesn't make him all Galactuses contained in his form.

616 Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. C'mon. Restating what I stated because you cannot think of anything yourself is called imitation.


Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're saying Dormammu wasn't Multiversal because he didn't perform multiversal feats? That is ludicris. The term multiversal as Masters points out was used MANY more times than in the Abraxas arc which you hold onto so dearly being a multiversal event. So your premise is that in order for something to be multiversal they have to exhibit that kinda of power each of their appearances? Is it not possible for someone or something to be multiversal without displaying said power all the time or some of the time? Furthermore, it is made clear by Marvel and it's canon... The same Eternity in the Abraxas arc is the same Eternity that Thanos defeated. There is no debate you just choose to ignore facts. I've asked for proof of this so many times and you have NONE... Prove that they were different eternity's in the respective stories... You have zero.. nada.. nothing. It's the SAME Eternity. Regardless of that, as I pointed out and as been stated on panel 616 is THE Eternity of all Eternity's period. The same one Thanos pwned with ease and took its place. Only certain criteria matters from thread to thread. I have gotten quite used to him discarding previous logic from thread to thread.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
as are points brought up to the contrary... avoided with.. that doesn't count... those are just words..... who cares if it says multiversal I didn't see anything multiversal....I will just ignore what is said as canon because I don't like it.

Generally speaking, comic trumps writer trumps official bios..

If the writer says something in an editors comment, for example, that isn't evident from the comic he wrote, that's not really considered canon.

And I'd love for writers comments to be canon, as that would mean Simonsons comments on how powerful his Darkseid could've been would be canon as well.. He had some pretty big plans for Darkseid that would've made the Superman loss impossible, or at least even more implausable than it already was.

Further, there's such a thing as hyperbole. Referring specifically to Thanos claiming rulership of all universes. Villians tend to do that a lot.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I do appreciate you not quoting Mr. Masters entire post as that would just flood the page with a huge quote which isn't needed. I understand your point but you have to remember... 616 Eternity is outright stated to the one who birth's ALL universes and is the main Eternity. Which of course makes sense as it's 616 Eternity. So no they are ALL the same size dominoes here... We have one domino bigger than all others as a foundation with the other dominoes being the same size.
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.

DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.

Thanos defeated Eternity. AM would not fare any better.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.

DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.


Not a hard concept to grasp, and yet...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos loses

Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever, the Dormy arc mentioned the term "Multiverse"
many more times than the Abraxas arc,
in fact, at one point, Dormy says, 'I conquered the Universe, well Multiverse in my case'
and yet, it's 616 Eternity's power that he has merged with.

Different arcs my ass, it's the same character, the SAME damn character,
616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.

616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362403_ETR4.jpg


616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362404_ETR5.jpg


616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362405_ETR6.jpg



There is no "multi" Eternity.

That name was given to Eternity by Captain Universe,
in order to differentiate Eternity from it's aspects.

But what some here have ignored, is that Captain Universe
called this so-called "multi" Eternity ... "Eternity"
he also called this so called "multi" Eternity .. "The Universe",
he did so, on the very SAME splash page where he calls 616 Eternity "multi" ...

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363867_ET-multi1.jpg


Reed (in the Abraxas arc) also called 'multi' Eternity, ... just .... "Eternity"

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363868_ET-multi2.jpg


Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... just Eternity ...

(no 'multi' .. or 'omni' for that matter)

... oh ... and just "The Universe"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792375_Et.jpg



Starlin made it clear for us what Thanos became with the IG:

"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (Omniverse anyone?)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363111_igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg


That's because:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1825/igmakesyougod7zf.th.jpg

"Thanos, ... In-effect became God"


========================================


Jim Starlin

(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)

gets interviewed by Marvel Age.

Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories from the Writers themselves.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7315/igmakegod1bz0.th.jpg

"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin himself adds:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9950/igmakegod2zt8.th.jpg

"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"

So you're pretty much this boards know it all?

Very nice work.

However, I still maintain the "Infinity Gauntlet = God" thing could fall under the category of "hyperbole". And didn't Thanos call himself a god with the Cosmic Cube, as well?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
You changed my quote.

Originally posted by cdtm
Generally speaking, comic trumps writer trumps official bios..

If the writer says something in an editors comment, for example, that isn't evident from the comic he wrote, that's not really considered canon.

And I'd love for writers comments to be canon, as that would mean Simonsons comments on how powerful his Darkseid could've been would be canon as well.. He had some pretty big plans for Darkseid that would've made the Superman loss impossible, or at least even more implausable than it already was.

Further, there's such a thing as hyperbole. Referring specifically to Thanos claiming rulership of all universes. Villians tend to do that a lot.

I have no issue with on panel being worth slightly more than Bio's. However they are BOTH canon. PERIOD. I have zero issue with on panel being worth more though, but that is just it. There is nothing on panel that contradicts the Bio. Nothing. He believes that because we saw alternate versions of various people in the abraxas arc thus the Eternity there had to be some bigger multi eternity (which by the way doesn't exist nor has ever been proven) Then just because there weren't multiple version in the Thanos story thus it "must've been" a different Eternity. Sorry that isn't proof they were different Eternity and thus the Bio is proof and canon to it being the same Eternity. Period.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.

DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it.

What are we arguing about here? Are you saying I'm claiming that because Thanos beat Eternity that he exhibited Multiversal power? When did I claim such a thing. Show me where I said so? I don't think beating somebody multiversal means you're multiversal. Just because the IG wtf pwnd the multiversal UN doesn't make it Multiversal. That being said, it's not JUST a critical piece in a critical place it is OUTRIGHT STATED to be the most powerful and THE Eternity that gives birth to ALL Universes. We aren't just talking about a unique position and all else is the same. No we are talking about a bigger and better Eternity than ALL other AND it being in a unique position.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It doesn't necessitate one domino being larger than the others, just that the domino is in a critical position where it can throw a domino effect tumble all other dominoes.

DC's New Earth/Earth 1/Earth 0 is in a similar position, when it falls the other Universes will follow which is why Darkseid tried taking over that Universe in FC even though there were 51 others to choose from. Doesn't mean that if you destroy New Earth and consequentially the Multiverse with it that you have Multiversal power, it just means you destroyed the foundation and caused all the other Universes to crumble under it. Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not a hard concept to grasp, and yet... Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What are we arguing about here? Are you saying I'm claiming that because Thanos beat Eternity that he exhibited Multiversal power? When did I claim such a thing. Show me where?I don't think beating somebody multiversal means you're multiversal. Just because the IG wtf pwnd the multiversal UN doesn't make it Multiversal. That being said, it's not JUST a critical piece in a critical place it is OUTRIGHT STATED to be the most powerful and THE Eternity that gives birth to ALL Universes. We aren't just talking about a unique position and all else is the same. No we are talking about a bigger and better Eternity than ALL other AND it being in a unique position.

Your right this shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp... what is your issue?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're saying Dormammu wasn't Multiversal because he didn't perform multiversal feats? That is ludicris. The term multiversal as Masters points out was used MANY more times than in the Abraxas arc which you hold onto so dearly being a multiversal event. So your premise is that in order for something to be multiversal they have to exhibit that kinda of power each of their appearances? Is it not possible for someone or something to be multiversal without displaying said power all the time or some of the time? Furthermore, it is made clear by Marvel and it's canon... The same Eternity in the Abraxas arc is the same Eternity that Thanos defeated. There is no debate you just choose to ignore facts. I've asked for proof of this so many times and you have NONE... Prove that they were different eternity's in the respective stories... You have zero.. nada.. nothing. It's the SAME Eternity. Regardless of that, as I pointed out and as been stated on panel 616 is THE Eternity of all Eternity's period. The same one Thanos pwned with ease and took its place. No, I'm saying that there is more than enough circumstance that throws Dormammu's proclamations of multiversal power into doubt since he never actually did anything multiversal with it. At all. And that is starkly different from how Abraxas was completely f'ing up alternate universes on-panel to the point where they're all blending together and all that damage had to be fixed across the Marvel Multiverse.

Those circumstances place doubt on whatever multiversality was exhibited by that Eternity in the Defenders storyline. Which should lead you to question why we're even projecting multiversality on a clearly universal 616 Eternity from a storyline published a decade PRIOR and which has nothing to do with the Defenders storyline in the first place.

It's a simple question: Is there one Eternity for each universe? Yes.

We've seen them on-panel. We saw an alternate one pwn Impossible Man, we saw an alternate one deal with Silver Surfer. Why is the 616 one that dealt with Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet somehow a conglomeration of every alternate Eternity out there? You're essentially arguing that every universe has an Eternity that represents that universe, one Eternity for one universe... except the 616 universe. Because... somehow... the 616 Eternity cannot possibly only represent the 616 universe... it has to represent all universes.

Even if you can somehow get past such self-serving logic... Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery. Give me a break. Originally posted by quanchi112
Restating what I stated because you cannot think of anything yourself is called imitation.

Only certain criteria matters from thread to thread. I have gotten quite used to him discarding previous logic from thread to thread. I'm pointing out the irony your statements represent. This isn't hard.

Because it's displayed here again. Irony.

So when is it hyperbole, and when isn't it?

Thanos says he's god of all universes. Does that prove he has multiversal power with the IG, or that he has really big delusions of grandure?

How about when M. Bison called himself a god in Street Fighter: The Movie?

How about every time a villain calls himself a god, or ruler of the universe...?

Gotta be a line somewhere.

^ Repeating what you're insisting doesn't remedy the problems I've pointed out. The 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity Gauntlet is not the Multi-Eternity that showed up in Abraxas. It's reverse-projection of the worst kind.

1. As long as you concede that there is circumstance that throws any reliance on multiversality into doubt, sure.

2. 616 Eternity is the most important the same way 616 Galactus is. 616 Eternity isn't the most powerful -- by way of conglomerating the power of all alternate Eternities -- the same way 616 Galactus isn't.

3. Of course it's possible. But it's contradicted by the following: (i) Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery during Infinity War, (ii) you're literally arguing that a 616 Eternity that represents only the 616 universe cannot possibly exist, and (iii) Galactus did not perform multiversal surgery.

Possibility =/= probability. And suggesting your interpretations are possible would be a vast overstatement. Comics aren't this hard to read, particularly Infinity Gauntlet.

All those times he said "this universe," "this realm," "this reality" . . .

it was always implied to mean " this universe," " this realms," " this reality" . . . ?

Why is it so clearly delineated during Abraxas -- whereby they literally spent an entire issue setting up how there was an Eternity for each universe -- that the crisis and magnitude was truly multiversal... but in Infinity Gauntlet, you actually have to read handbooks, bios, some random Defenders story ten years down the road in order to appreciate that the crisis and magnitude was truly multiversal?

That doesn't strike you as being tenuous at all? Seriously? barker

^ How does that bolded paragraph remedy your conclusion that you still think Galactus was performing multiversal surgery... since that 616 Eternity laying comatose was, in your opinion, representative of every alternate universe and every alternate Eternity?

1. That's the same argument I'm making where it's pretty blatantly stated that Infinity Gauntlet and infinity War dealt with just the 616 universe. Many. Times.

2. 616 Eternity is the most important for the same reason 616 Galactus is. 616 Eternity is not the most powerful -- in that his power represents a conglomeration of every alternate Eternity -- for the same reason 616 Galactus is not the most powerful. Multi-Eternity was literally described on-panel during the Abraxas saga in the most "hold-your-hands-you-might-be-stupid-so-I-will-spell-it-out" way you could possibly do it. Any argument otherwise is an affliction of blindness.

3. That proves that the 616 Eternity that showed up represented the 616 universe. The 616 IG makes you god of the 616 universe. the 3414 IG makes you god of the 3414 universe. That's why Thanos and his doppelganger discuss fleeing to an alternate universe to become god of that alternate universe in Infinity War. Those discussions wouldn't make any sense -- hell, the existence of alternate IG's wouldn't make any sense -- if the 616 IG gives you the power over every alternate universe.

Why the hell are we arguing if 616 Eternity is Multiversal? Of course he isn't. If he were then there wouldn't be a 616 Surfer, a 616 Thanos, and 616 versions of all the characters. They are all singular so the universe that represents them must also be singular. It was very clear in the Abraxas arch that there is a multiversal Eternity. This is not the same guy as the 616 Eternity. Not at all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Long post with good scans

All hail Mr Master notworthy

Again, How in the hell is there a Multi-Eternity in the Abraxas story but people are saying the 616 Eternity is the multione? That makes no sense? And if the 616 is the Multi One why are there singular versions of it's heroes and bad guys? That MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. And why is it 616 Eternity if it's the Multiverse?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong I am right. You're biased I am fair.

This isn't hard at all.

Owned. Irony: Declarations aren't arguments or truths.

Irony: You like to harp about people conceding to you, and you can't even put up an argument anymore.

Irony: KuRuPT Thanosi doesn't even think Magus' pwning of Quasar is evidence of the IG's multiversality.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong I am right. You're biased I am fair.

This isn't hard at all.

Owned.
There aren't enough people in the world to facepalm this shit.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Irony.

Irony.

Irony. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There aren't enough people in the world to facepalm this shit. Thanos wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

Thanos wins. I know, I accepted your concession in my earlier post. You may have missed that in your haste. ermmhappy

Not with you arguing for him. doped

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I know, I accepted your concession in my earlier post. You may have missed that in your haste. ermmhappy

Not with you arguing for him. doped You conceded a while back I got the memo.

It's just another case of me being right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You conceded a while back I got the memo.

It's just another case of me being right.
Read this to see which symptoms you suffer from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can read right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You conceded a while back I got the memo.

It's just another case of me being right. ... and then you woke up. excellent

We missed your arguments. Hard to tell. Oh wait... that's right, you won't even make them anymore... or were you ever able to in the first place? mhmm

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... and then you woke up. excellent

We missed your arguments. Hard to tell. Oh wait... that's right, you won't even make them anymore... or were you ever able to in the first place? mhmm Thanos can do whatever he wants to here. He's more powerful and the Am can't even touch him if Thanos doesn't want him to. he sees Am's moves before they occur. Yeah, how am I doing sparky?

^ All that power and prescience sure worked against Maelstrom.

... oh wait. ermmhappy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ All that power and prescience sure worked against Maelstrom.

... oh wait. ermmhappy What does Maelstrom have to do with Am's powers? We also saw Maesltrom get killed twice by less than the ig. One angry blast from the ig wouldn't defeat Eternity either so I guess he must be immune either because angry blasts are the ig at it's best, amirite?

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does Maelstrom have to do with Am's powers? We also saw Maesltrom get killed twice by less than the ig. One angry blast from the ig wouldn't defeat Eternity either so I guess he must be immune either because angry blasts are the ig at it's best, amirite? Sorry, but IG's universal power falls short... as has its prescience. But you can feel free to argue that its power/prescience beats AM as long as you admit that neither meant jack to Maelstrom.

By all means.

And your underlined sentence effectively argues my point about Magus only dealing with a slowly expanding tiny marble-sized nullification sphere, nothing less, nothing more. Definitely not more than an instantaneous Multiverse destroying/recreation blast. Bravo.

The fact Strange can stand against the complete gauntlet in Warlocks hands proves with enough power, it can be matched... And if it can be matched, it can be exceeded.

And where Strange was using every last scrap of magic items in conjunction, Anti Monitor had the powers of multiple universes, power items, including absorbing the Wishing Machine, the entire Gemworld universe, and more.. At his peak, he was far FAR greater than the sum of powers Strange was tapping, which is only a universes worth or so.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sorry, but IG's universal power falls short... as has its prescience. But you can feel free to argue that its power/prescience beats AM as long as you admit that neither meant jack to Maelstrom.

By all means.

And your underlined sentence effectively argues my point about Magus only dealing with a slowly expanding tiny marble-sized nullification sphere, nothing less, nothing more. Definitely not more than an instantaneous Multiverse destroying/recreation blast. Bravo. So could that same blast have defeated Eternity? Or would he need a little more to beat Eternity?

When did Thanos oneshot an abstract anyways? Show me one instance where he just killed one with one blast. I await your backpedaling.

Originally posted by cdtm
The fact Strange can stand against the complete gauntlet in Warlocks hands proves with enough power, it can be matched... And if it can be matched, it can be exceeded.

And where Strange was using every last scrap of magic items in conjunction, Anti Monitor had the powers of multiple universes, power items, including absorbing the Wishing Machine, the entire Gemworld universe, and more.. At his peak, he was far FAR greater than the sum of powers Strange was tapping, which is only a universes worth or so. He took on each gem and yet he got owned by Thor with the power gem and was nothing against the ig when Magus and Thanos wielded it because unlike warlock they just kill him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He took on each gem and yet he got owned by Thor with the power gem and was nothing against the ig when Magus and Thanos wielded it because unlike warlock they just kill him.

Because he wasn't using all of his talismans and magic items. This is something he prepared in advance for the showdown with Warlock, and stored away after the fight.

And for them to even function in conjunction as a counter to the full power of the Power Gem, he needed further prep, beyond just gathering them up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So could that same blast have defeated Eternity? Or would he need a little more to beat Eternity?

When did Thanos oneshot an abstract anyways? Show me one instance where he just killed one with one blast. I await your backpedaling. You're making the argument that wholly eviscerates your "manipulate tiny marble-sized sphere" rationale. Do you even realize you're doing this anymore? It's like pushing your foot down harder onto a nail... repeatedly. Are you trolling yourself?

Eternity... hello? Warlock and Nebula basically one-shotted Abstracts, not Thanos. And Maelstrom was still immune to any and all amounts/permutations of IG power/prescience in the same self-serving way Magus could have manipulated any and all ammounts/permutations of UN energy.

You can stop with the double-standards anytime now.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he wasn't using all of his talismans and magic items. This is something he prepared in advance for the showdown with Warlock, and stored away after the fight.

And for them to even function in conjunction as a counter to the full power of the Power Gem, he needed further prep, beyond just gathering them up. So you're saying he can defeat warlock in an all out battle while using the entire ig to kill him?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're making the argument that wholly eviscerates your "manipulate tiny marble-sized sphere" rationale. Do you even realize you're doing this anymore? It's like pushing your foot down harder onto a nail... repeatedly. Are you trolling yourself?

Eternity... hello? Warlock and Nebula basically one-shotted Abstracts, not Thanos. And Maelstrom was still immune to any and all amounts/permutations of IG power/prescience in the same self-serving way Magus could have manipulated any and all ammounts/permutations of UN energy.

You can stop with the double-standards anytime now. Nebula defeated them as did Thanos. Nebula fell victim to something Thanos didn't and she didn't defeat Eternity. Laughs. Warlock never even phased him and which abstract did he oneshot? Go ahead and tell me.

What was the writer's intent with the ig in relation to manipulating it's energies? Just answer it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nebula defeated them as did Thanos. Nebula fell victim to something Thanos didn't and she didn't defeat Eternity. Laughs. Warlock never even phased him and which abstract did he oneshot? Go ahead and tell me.

What was the writer's intent with the ig in relation to manipulating it's energies? Just answer it. So I answer when Abstracts get one-shotted. And you laugh? At what? Yourself? Warlock one-shotted the Abstracts when he lost his temper at LT's tribunal. LT had to snap his fingers to undo all the damage.

What was the writer's intent with the ig in relation to Maelstrom's immunity to it's energies? Just answer it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So I answer when Abstracts get one-shotted. And you laugh? At what? Yourself? Warlock one-shotted the Abstracts when he lost his temper at LT's tribunal. LT had to snap his fingers to undo all the damage.

What was the writer's intent with the ig in relation to Maelstrom's immunity to it's energies? Just answer it. They weren't oneshotted they were just affected. Eternity stated it wouldn't even have him affected him anyways.

Which abstract was killed by a blast? I guess none of them were,huh? You even stated yourself Thanos didn't oneshot any abstracts but since he didn't defeat Maelstrom you pretend he's immune. You are cracking me up.

That Thanos couldn't kill him with one angry blast at his power levels just like he can't kill eternity, etc. just as easily.

Now your turn to answer my question. What was his intention? The fact you will dance around this question because you know exactly what the writer's intent proves I always go by what the comics give me while you don't.

^ So you laughed at yourself. K.

You asked when they got one-shotted. I answered. Then you laughed. At yourself apparently. Maelstrom wasn't even effected in the slightest. Thanos couldn't even sense him or tell what happened. What are you jabbering about?

Thanos utterly phased to affect him or even perceive what happened. Slight difference, slick.

Now your turn to answer my question. What was his intention? The fact you will dance around this question because you know exactly what the writer's intent proves I always go by what the comics give me while you don't.

Infinity Gauntlet vs Cosmic Armor all over again.

yes ... facepalm
Originally posted by cdtm

The fact Strange can stand against the complete gauntlet in Warlocks hands
You posted this several times already, please stop cause it's a fallacy.

Strange has never stood up to the full, half or quarter IG.

Warlock was toying with Strange, ONE Gem at a time.
Warlock NEVER wanted to hurt Strange.
When Warlock got pissed, and finally decided to damage Strange,
Warlock only used the Power Gem.
At this point Strange had prepped before hand for this moment,
by taking all of his Talismans and combining them,
yet,
Strange knew that one moment longer and he would've been obliterated,
Warlock realized this too, and felt sorry, so he stopped his crusade and allowed Strange to live.

Thor with the Power Gem one shotted Strange/Surfer and Drax simultaneously.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Multi-Eternity was literally described on-panel during the Abraxas saga in the most "hold-your-hands-you-might-be-stupid-so-I-will-spell-it-out" way you could possibly do it. Any argument otherwise is an affliction of blindness.
We may be blind, but we see this clearly:
Originally posted by Mr Master

There is no "multi" Eternity.

That name was given to Eternity by Captain Universe,
in order to differentiate Eternity from it's aspects.

But what some here have ignored, is that Captain Universe
called this so-called "multi" Eternity ... "Eternity"
he also called this so called "multi" Eternity .. "The Universe",
he did so, on the very SAME splash page where he calls 616 Eternity "multi" ...

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363867_ET-multi1.jpg


Reed (in the Abraxas arc) also called 'multi' Eternity, ... just .... "Eternity"

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2363868_ET-multi2.jpg


Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... just Eternity ...

(no 'multi' .. or 'omni' for that matter)

... oh ... and just "The Universe"

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/792375_Et.jpg


Why is the so called "multi" Eternity, literally called "THE Universe" & just "Eternity"
by Reed, Captain Universe, and Roma,
heck Roma even states that all that has ever been, will be or ever was, is within "Eternity"
not "multi" or "omni" or any other nonsense.

But yea, perhaps Roma, the freakin Omniversal guardian,
really believes that a singular Eternity contains the Omniverse.

Or can it be, or is it, like the official Marvel Handbooks clearly point out:

That Eternity 616 is special, special how he is the one that Thanos/IG defeated,
he is the one that Genis/Entropy killed and remade,
he is the one Dormy merged with,
he is the one that Reed/UN recreated:
Originally posted by Mr Master

616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.

616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362403_ETR4.jpg


616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362404_ETR5.jpg


616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2362405_ETR6.jpg

^ And still the Eternity that showed up in Abraxas represented the Marvel Multiverse, and the one that showed up in Infinity Gauntlet/War represented a universe. Nothing you've said convinces me that I ought to be reverse-projecting the multiversality from the crisis in Abraxas onto the crises in Infinity Gauntlet/War. The 616 IG made Thanos got of the 616 universe. Not the alternate universes, which had their own alternate IGs to make people gods of those alternate universes, as Thanos and his doppleganger literally discuss on-panel.

Galactus may be the prime Galactus, but he doesn't contain the power. Of every alternate Galactus housed in his frame. He still gets beat up by Thor's godblast. And Galactus did not perform a multiversal surgery. Let's not be dense here.

Neither Infinity Gauntlet, nor Infinity War required you to read handbooks, random stories from Defenders or an FF story ten years in the future to understand what was going on. Please.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

^ And still the Eternity that showed up in Abraxas represented the Marvel Multiverse, and the one that showed up in Infinity Gauntlet/War represented a universe. Nothing you've said convinces me that I ought to be reverse-projecting the multiversality from the crisis in Abraxas onto the crises in Infinity Gauntlet/War. The 616 IG made Thanos got of the 616 universe. Not the alternate universes, which had their own alternate IGs to make people gods of those alternate universes, as Thanos and his doppleganger literally discuss on-panel.
Nothing you've said convinces me either,
so I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0

And Galactus did not perform a multiversal surgery.
Right, Galactus performed surgery on the M-Body of 616 Eternity,
not the Multiverse itself, just cause 616 Eternity is connected to the power of all of Eternity,
doesn't mean he is the actual Multiverse or more.

It's no different than Giraud cauterizing 691 Eternity.
I mean we know Giraud is not a Universal power,
yet he performed said feat on the M-Body of that Eternity.


Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Neither Infinity Gauntlet, nor Infinity War required you to read handbooks, random stories from Defenders or an FF story ten years in the future to understand what was going on. Please.
I disagree.

The fact that all 3 stories deal with the same exact character demands the attention of all arcs.
Just like we use several appearances by any given character
across several given stories housed in separate Marvel titles.

If some fact has been outright retconned then we dismiss that particular,
if not, the past is just as viable as the present and/or future.

So 616 Eternity holds ENTIRE UniverseS in one hand: (pre-Infinity Gauntlet series)



So 616 Eternity kills and creates entire UniverseS all day, every day,
and even has the power to re-birth ALL Universes: (post-Infinity Gauntlet series)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nothing you've said convinces me either,
so I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Right, Galactus performed surgery on the M-Body of 616 Eternity,
not the Multiverse itself, just cause 616 Eternity is connected to the power of all of Eternity,
doesn't mean he is the actual Multiverse or more.

It's no different than Giraud cauterizing 691 Eternity.
I mean we know Giraud is not a Universal power,
yet he performed said feat on the M-Body of that Eternity.



I disagree.

The fact that all 3 stories deal with the same exact character demands the attention of all arcs.
Just like we use several appearances by any given character
across several given stories housed in separate Marvel titles.

If some fact has been outright retconned then we dismiss that particular,
if not, the past is just as viable as the present and/or future.

So 616 Eternity holds ENTIRE UniverseS in one hand: (pre-Infinity Gauntlet series)



So 616 Eternity kills and creates entire UniverseS all day, every day,
and even has the power to re-birth ALL Universes: (post-Infinity Gauntlet series)
Just because My mom gave birth to me, doesn't mean she has my power. Or She is as strong as me. 616 Eternity can birth the other time lines but it doesn't mean he's more powerful or even as powerful. He's just the parent.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nice post. Thanks!

Originally posted by cdtm
Come to think of it, it's odd that Quanchi pushed so hard for the current version of the Anti Life Equation in that Orion with ALE vs Odin thread, yet he's assuming Thanos is using the complete, fully working Infinity Gauntlet despite the fact that the current versions of the gems are forbidden by Eternity from working in unison.

Heh.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Just because My mom gave birth to me, doesn't mean she has my power. Or She is as strong as me. 616 Eternity can birth the other time lines but it doesn't mean he's more powerful or even as powerful. He's just the parent. Originally posted by Mr Master
Surgery on the M-Body of 616 Eternity, not the Multiverse itself, just cause 616 Eternity is connected to the power of all of Eternity, doesn't mean he is the actual Multiverse or more.Then what exactly are we arguing about here? Thanos didn't defeat an embodiment of the Marvel Multiverse. He just beat an embodiment of the 616 universe. That's it. Originally posted by Mr Master
The fact that all 3 stories deal with the same exact character demands the attention of all arcs. Just like we use several appearances by any given character across several given stories housed in separate Marvel titles.

If some fact has been outright retconned then we dismiss that particular, if not, the past is just as viable as the present and/or future.

So 616 Eternity holds ENTIRE UniverseS in one hand: (pre-Infinity Gauntlet series)

So 616 Eternity kills and creates entire UniverseS all day, every day,
and even has the power to re-birth ALL Universes: (post-Infinity Gauntlet series) Again using the term, "universe," the way YOU want to, without admitting that the term has been used to connote pocket dimensions, realms, etc. You're reverse-projecting the clear multiversality that is painstakingly and COMPLETELY evident in Abraxas and trying to repaint what happened in Infinity Gauntlet/War, WHICH WAS UNIVERSALLY RELEVANT. That's clear. That's immutable. That's obvious. And your incessant reliance on handbooks? We all know what you yourself think of that when other people try to use it against you. Nuff said: Originally posted by Mr Master
ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,

He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpgCrawl back into your crevice of bull shit

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Just because My mom gave birth to me, doesn't mean she has my power. Or She is as strong as me. 616 Eternity can birth the other time lines but it doesn't mean he's more powerful or even as powerful. He's just the parent. Nice

I'll go with ODG on this one.At least I think.I'm not sure whos on what side anymore...

616 eternity is unique in that if 616 is destroyed all will end.This however doesnt mean that 616 E is more powerful then the rest.He's just in an important spot.If you have a janga block set up and you pull one block out.It might not fall.616 eternity is no different then the other blocks he is just in a crucial position.If he falls the rest falls.Not all the other eternitys are like that.

As for the fight I believe thanos with IG wins.Here is my reasoning.Originally posted by Black bolt z
No they aren't...

I'd say IG wins this.By how I read it AM was extremely powerful.Powerful enough to beat spectre.However after he did this it seemed his power was very taxed.And thats why he was weakened enough to be beat by the heroes.Thanos on the other hand beat the best the universe could throw at him and it showed nothing that would say he wasn't still at full power.It seems that the AM would need a constant supply of energy(such as the sun the the heroes destroyed so they could kill him)while thanos needs only the gauntlet.I just believe thanos has more impressive feats here and he's not going to weaken.AM would need to be near LT level to win here and I don't believe he is that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So you laughed at yourself. K.

You asked when they got one-shotted. I answered. Then you laughed. At yourself apparently. Maelstrom wasn't even effected in the slightest. Thanos couldn't even sense him or tell what happened. What are you jabbering about?

Thanos utterly phased to affect him or even perceive what happened. Slight difference, slick.

Now your turn to answer my question. What was his intention? The fact you will dance around this question because you know exactly what the writer's intent proves I always go by what the comics give me while you don't. No, I laughed at you. See this is your reading comprehension again.

Nebula didn't kill any of them. She imprisoned them just like Thanos did. She didn't beat Eternity either and warlock didn't oneshot any of them. You are lying like usual. His blast was ineffectual against Eternity outside this situation so I guess when Eternity wants to be he's immune right?

He blasted him once and was confused about what happened due to him being the anomaly but to say his powers couldn't defeat or kill him based on how that arc ended and applying common sense to the ig is both ridiculous and ignorant. Odg at his finest.

Now answer my question about the un I answered yours. Quit running from it, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I laughed at you. See this is your reading comprehension again.

Nebula didn't kill any of them. She imprisoned them just like Thanos did. She didn't beat Eternity either and warlock didn't oneshot any of them. You are lying like usual. His blast was ineffectual against Eternity outside this situation so I guess when Eternity wants to be he's immune right?

He blasted him once and was confused about what happened due to him being the anomaly but to say his powers couldn't defeat or kill him based on how that arc ended and applying common sense to the ig is both ridiculous and ignorant. Odg at his finest.

Now answer my question about the un I answered yours. Quit running from it, sport. Quan your reading comprehension isn't much better....

Nebula didn't kill any of them.Warlock did oneshot them all.LT just brought them back to life

Whats that 3rd part about?

Quan you don't answer peoples questions either so stop telling people to answer yours.And if you need and example you said that batman kicked spectre,someone asked for the comic then you said your the fanboy you find out.

^ quanchi112's standards, "quandards," if you will, don't apply to him. And if and when they do, he simply pretends he never violated them with simple quaneuvering. And if he happens to admit they did apply and he was wrong, but wants to change his mind (sometimes three times even), he just pulls a lil quanchiwaffle. It's all good with the quanchilogic. Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I laughed at you. See this is your reading comprehension again.

Nebula didn't kill any of them. She imprisoned them just like Thanos did. She didn't beat Eternity either and warlock didn't oneshot any of them. You are lying like usual. His blast was ineffectual against Eternity outside this situation so I guess when Eternity wants to be he's immune right?

He blasted him once and was confused about what happened due to him being the anomaly but to say his powers couldn't defeat or kill him based on how that arc ended and applying common sense to the ig is both ridiculous and ignorant. Odg at his finest.

Now answer my question about the un I answered yours. Quit running from it, sport. For answering your question which you implied I couldn't answer. Fine work there. Fine work.

You asked when any Abstracts were one-shotted. I answered. As did Warlock when he lost his temper, right before LT undid his tantrum.

Almost as stupid as arguing that slowly nullifying a tiny marble is the same thing as instantly nullifying/recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse, amirite?

The intention of a writer having a weapon user (Magus w/IG) scramble to use their weapon first before another weapon user (Quasar w/UN) could use their's? I'd say the intention was that Magus w/IG couldn't simply tank the UN's effects. Oops.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Quan your reading comprehension isn't much better....

Nebula didn't kill any of them.Warlock did oneshot them all.LT just brought them back to life

Whats that 3rd part about?

Quan you don't answer peoples questions either so stop telling people to answer yours.And if you need and example you said that batman kicked spectre,someone asked for the comic then you said your the fanboy you find out. Warlock didn't kill any of them. If you think he did then you need an adult with you at all times.

Lt undid his damage but he didn't kill or destroy a single one of them.


You didn't read the comic so why tell you?

When did this happen?


Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ quanchi112's standards, "quandards," if you will, don't apply to him. And if and when they do, he simply pretends he never violated them with simple quaneuvering. And if he happens to admit they did apply and he was wrong, but wants to change his mind (sometimes three times even), he just pulls a lil quanchiwaffle. It's all good with the quanchilogic. For answering your question which you implied I couldn't answer. Fine work there. Fine work.

You asked when any Abstracts were one-shotted. I answered. As did Warlock when he lost his temper, right before LT undid his tantrum.

Almost as stupid as arguing that slowly nullifying a tiny marble is the same thing as instantly nullifying/recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse, amirite?

The intention of a writer having a weapon user (Magus w/IG) scramble to use their weapon first before another weapon user (Quasar w/UN) could use their's? I'd say the intention was that Magus w/IG couldn't simply tank the UN's effects. Oops. Warlock didn't oneshot any of them he hurt them but they weren't beaten by any means. They were outclassed but we already knew thayt prior to Thanos even being challenged. We knew the abstracts can't beat a competent ig user.


Answer this question the one I asked you first of all. What was the writer's intent with Magus manipulating the un's energies? Did he imply it only occurred because it was very small or did he imply it's an easy task for an ig user to accomplish with a thought?

That wasn't my question anyways. See above. He didn't scramble he did so easily and effortlessly and the ig wasn't even there in full. It was missing a key gem by the by.

^ He laid em all out. You asked when they were all one-shotted. I answered.

Why wouldn't turning a marble-sized sphere against someone be easy? Thanos turned aside a tiny hex handblast of Wanda's in the hero fight. We know what an Omniversal cascade of it could do though. Heck, 5 CCU's actually prevented the UN from turning on completely.

Sorry your questions have unintended consequences. Apparently, Magus couldn't simply tank the UN's effect. Had to divert it. Oops.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He laid em all out. You asked when they were all one-shotted. I answered.

Why wouldn't turning a marble-sized sphere against someone be easy? Thanos turned aside a tiny hex handblast of Wanda's in the hero fight. We know what an Omniversal cascade of it could do though. Heck, 5 CCU's actually prevented the UN from turning on completely.

Sorry your questions have unintended consequences. Apparently, Magus couldn't simply tank the UN's effect. Had to divert it. Oops. No, he hurt them. He didn't oneshot any of them.

So you think had the blast been bigger according to this writer he couldn't have been able to manipulate the energies, right? Say yes and I will ask the writer and we will see whose reading comprehension is better. Up for the challenge?

That's speculation either way. My point wasn't whether he could tank it or not which I believe he can but had to do with the writer's intention on how easily or difficult manipulating the un's energies is based on the size which is your entire argument.

You can't even answer the question. Trapped, eh?

^ Yeah. They definitely were about to show Warlock what the heck was up.

How about you ask "Starlin" whether Magus made the UN shoot Quasar, whether he made Quasar shoot himself, whether he warped Quasar into the UN's area of effect. Then ask him if the IG is powerful enough to instantly destroy/recreate the entire Marvel Multiverse. Also, tell Starlin I said hi.

No, my argument is that you're insisting that the size of the UN's blast is totally irrelevant and any sized blast could be easily manipulated by the IG. But you won't insist that the size of the IG's blast is totally irrelevant and any sized blast could easily be tanked by an immune Maelstrom.

I answered your question directly. You must have missed the answer. I'm not even being sarcastic. In the meantime, choke on the quandards. Choke on em.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah. They definitely were about to show Warlock what the heck was up.

How about you ask "Starlin" whether Magus made the UN shoot Quasar, whether he made Quasar shoot himself, whether he warped Quasar into the UN's area of effect. Then ask him if the IG is powerful enough to instantly destroy/recreate the entire Marvel Multiverse. Also, tell Starlin I said hi.

No, my argument is that you're insisting that the size of the UN's blast is totally irrelevant and any sized blast could be easily manipulated by the IG. But you won't insist that the size of the IG's blast is totally irrelevant and any sized blast could easily be tanked by an immune Maelstrom.

I answered your question directly. You must have missed the answer. I'm not even being sarcastic. In the meantime, choke on the quandards. Choke on em. They were outclassed which I stated but weren't defeated. Please pay attention to what I actually write so you won't waste your time as well as my own.

So you won't answer the question. Tell you what if you answer the question I will ask him both questions.

It is irrelevant in terms of the writer's intention in the comic itself. Size was never an issue to the ig and you continually pretend it is.

Settle down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were outclassed which I stated but weren't defeated. Please pay attention to what I actually write so you won't waste your time as well as my own.

So you won't answer the question. Tell you what if you answer the question I will ask him both questions.

It is irrelevant in terms of the writer's intention in the comic itself. Size was never an issue to the ig and you continually pretend it is.

Settle down. The Magus made Quasar Shoot himself. What is so hard to understand about that? No Multiversal busting UN blast were released in that arch.

^ Awww... quanchi112 begs to differ. After all... he thinks that a slowly expanding marble-sized nullification sphere = instantaneous Marvel Multiverse nullification/recreation blast! Totally the same thing! Like. Totally! Originally posted by quanchi112
They were outclassed which I stated but weren't defeated. Please pay attention to what I actually write so you won't waste your time as well as my own.

So you won't answer the question. Tell you what if you answer the question I will ask him both questions.

It is irrelevant in terms of the writer's intention in the comic itself. Size was never an issue to the ig and you continually pretend it is.

Settle down. Yeah, they were just about to show Warlock what for!

I answered it. Even gave you some pointers. And I totally expect you to give him the whole list. In fact, before you ask him anything, go ahead and ask him if he ever actually read the Abraxas story-arc. I trust you. You are very reliable.

You're right. Size is never an issue with the IG. Which is why by that logic, Maelstrom was immune to any sized manifestation of the IG's power.

Happily watching you choke on the quandards. Will call 911 at some point. You're safe with me. peaches

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Awww... quanchi112 begs to differ. After all... he thinks that a slowly expanding marble-sized nullification sphere = instantaneous Marvel Multiverse nullification/recreation blast! Totally the same thing! Like. Totally! Yeah, they were just about to show Warlock what for!

I answered it. Even gave you some pointers. And I totally expect you to give him the whole list. In fact, before you ask him anything, go ahead and ask him if he ever actually read the Abraxas story-arc. I trust you. You are very reliable.

You're right. Size is never an issue with the IG. Which is why by that logic, Maelstrom was immune to any sized manifestation of the IG's power.

Happily watching you choke on the quandards. Will call 911 at some point. You're safe with me. peaches What does that have to do with the ig's ability to manipulate the un's energies with a mere thought?

Keep restating yourself, sport.

No, you didn't answer it. You won't ever because deep down you know I am right and you are wrong. I don't ever have to admit that to myself but you do so enjoy that.


Tanking one blast doesn't mean you are immune to the ig. This is some of the worst logic I have ever seen from anyone. Keep it up.

^ You mean a marble-sized amount of them? Apparently nothing. Just that a marble-sized amount can be manipulated.

Keep restating where I point out how you simply missed that I directly answered your question? Try catching it the first time around. No repetition would be necessary.

The projection here is reaching epic proportions. Trust me. There is no personal pride in revealing your double-standards. It isn't hard to do. Ask anybody.

Manipulating a tiny marble-sized amount of energy doesn't mean you wtfpwn a Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. This is some of the worst logic I have ever seen from anyone...

... that actually mirrors the logic you're lambasting about Maelstrom's immunity. Which is why I keep bringing it up. You have forgotten again, that you are attacking your own logic. And I don't have to request that you keep it up. You fell into it utterly. And you continue to fall into it utterly.

lmfao.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Warlock didn't kill any of them. If you think he did then you need an adult with you at all times.

Lt undid his damage but he didn't kill or destroy a single one of them.


You didn't read the comic so why tell you?

When did this happen?


Warlock didn't oneshot any of them he hurt them but they weren't beaten by any means. They were outclassed but we already knew thayt prior to Thanos even being challenged. We knew the abstracts can't beat a competent ig user.


Answer this question the one I asked you first of all. What was the writer's intent with Magus manipulating the un's energies? Did he imply it only occurred because it was very small or did he imply it's an easy task for an ig user to accomplish with a thought?

That wasn't my question anyways. See above. He didn't scramble he did so easily and effortlessly and the ig wasn't even there in full. It was missing a key gem by the by. Actually by mine and a few other peoples readings of the comic warlock one shotted them all.LT just undid the damage with a snap.

Except he did

o you won't tell me because you believe I didn't read the comic of which I don't even know which comic you are talking about?You have issues.I can give you the number of my therapist

I believe it happened early on in the RKT vs. void thread.Or possibly thanos vs. spectre.Or some other thread you were trolling around in.

ODG think of it this way.Small blast<big blast.Thats how something works.IG probably can't tank the blast as I think I have stated but there are many more ways for IG to beat UN then simply tanking it.SUch as transporting the blast to the other side of the universe or stopping time so the blast can't reach them or even making the UN user use it on himself.IG>UN through versatility.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then what exactly are we arguing about here? Thanos didn't defeat an embodiment of the Marvel Multiverse. He just beat an embodiment of the 616 universe. That's it. Again using the term, "universe," the way YOU want to, without admitting that the term has been used to connote pocket dimensions, realms, etc. You're reverse-projecting the clear multiversality that is painstakingly and COMPLETELY evident in Abraxas and trying to repaint what happened in Infinity Gauntlet/War, WHICH WAS UNIVERSALLY RELEVANT. That's clear. That's immutable. That's obvious. And your incessant reliance on handbooks? We all know what you yourself think of that when other people try to use it against you.
Master owned up the butt.

Why do people keep saying all Eternity's are the same? This isn't true in the least. They AREN'T the same size at all and this is made clear via narration and depiction. If all Eternity's are the same then why is 616 responsible for the creation of all universeS? If they all could do it why wouldn't they? I know because 616 Eternity is the most powerful of all and the most important. Some people concede the most important point but not the most powerful when this evident via canon Marvel comics.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why do people keep saying all Eternity's are the same? This isn't true in the least. They AREN'T the same size at all and this is made clear via narration and depiction. If all Eternity's are the same then why is 616 responsible for the creation of all universeS? If they all could do it why wouldn't they? I know because 616 Eternity is the most powerful of all and the most important. Some people concede the most important point but not the most powerful when this evident via canon Marvel comics. Most Powerful still wouldn't nake it as powerful as the Multi Eternity

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Most Powerful still wouldn't nake it as powerful as the Multi Eternity

This Multi-Eternity you speak of.... How many appearances does it have? Funny enough... the same arc where the term Multi Eternity appeared also called him just Eternity multiple times and referenced him and the universe singular MULTIPLE times.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why do people keep saying all Eternity's are the same? This isn't true in the least. They AREN'T the same size at all and this is made clear via narration and depiction. If all Eternity's are the same then why is 616 responsible for the creation of all universeS? If they all could do it why wouldn't they? I know because 616 Eternity is the most powerful of all and the most important. Some people concede the most important point but not the most powerful when this evident via canon Marvel comics.
Him being "most powerful" Eternity wouldn't in of itself be impressive seeing as alternate Eternities have even less feats than he does.

This asinine synecdochic identification of 616 Eternity as Multi-Eternity is just a self-serving conceit cooked up by Marvel Cosmic fanboys to project Multiversal significance and power to a Universal artifact like the Infinity Gauntlet.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This Multi-Eternity you speak of.... How many appearances does it have? Funny enough... the same arc where the term Multi Eternity appeared also called him just Eternity multiple times and referenced him and the universe singular MULTIPLE times. I'm no fool on comics. And yet, when referenced, it was a Multiversal reset that occurred. It was the Multi Eternity. When the Lt was going to hurl away the 616 Eternity and replace it with the Ultimate verse, no mention of the multiverse dying with him. Hell the Ultimate verse is part of the multiverse, this precludes that Eternity is NOT the multiverse or it's power.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This Multi-Eternity you speak of.... How many appearances does it have? Funny enough... the same arc where the term Multi Eternity appeared also called him just Eternity multiple times and referenced him and the universe singular MULTIPLE times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Multi-Eternity being called Eternity doesn't make it right to call regular Eternity Multi-Eternity.

Superboy-Prime has also been referred to as Superboy a few times, that doesn't make him Conner Kent.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Multi-Eternity being called Eternity doesn't make it right to call regular Eternity Multi-Eternity.

Superboy-Prime has also been referred to as Superboy a few times, that doesn't make him Conner Kent.

Do you even read what you wrote... IF you can call Multi-Eternty... just regular Eternity you're saying the terms are interchangeable and both are appropriate. You can't say it's okay to call Multi-Eternity.. Eternity but the inverse in incorrect. That was funny though. Further... it was just him being called Eternity MULTIPLE times but also referencing him in connection with just ONE universe MULTIPLE times.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you even read what you wrote... IF you can call Multi-Eternty... just regular Eternity you're saying the terms are interchangeable and both are appropriate. You can't say it's okay to call Multi-Eternity.. Eternity but the inverse in incorrect. That was funny though. Further... it was just him being called Eternity MULTIPLE times but also referencing him in connection with just ONE universe MULTIPLE times.
I'm saying that referring to Multi-Eternity as Eternity is similar to calling a sailor a 'hand'. It has no meaning beyond identification, we're not literally calling the sailor a giant sentient hand. Nor was the writer calling Multi-Eternity 616 Eternity. Only someone who wanted to see that connection would see it.

As for the Universe bit that's just wordplay, which is still all you have to back up your case. I've seen Universes referred to as 'worlds' and such plenty of times.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Of course because 616 Eternity is a part of the whole. He is not the multiverse. Even if he were, the very nature of his ever expanding reality would preclude that anything born out of him in later archs does not mean we could reverse current powers, levels, etc onto past representations.

Your claiming there was a recton or a power increase for Eternity?

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You mean a marble-sized amount of them? Apparently nothing. Just that a marble-sized amount can be manipulated.

Keep restating where I point out how you simply missed that I directly answered your question? Try catching it the first time around. No repetition would be necessary.

The projection here is reaching epic proportions. Trust me. There is no personal pride in revealing your double-standards. It isn't hard to do. Ask anybody.

Manipulating a tiny marble-sized amount of energy doesn't mean you wtfpwn a Multiverse-wide destroying/recreating blast. This is some of the worst logic I have ever seen from anyone...

... that actually mirrors the logic you're lambasting about Maelstrom's immunity. Which is why I keep bringing it up. You have forgotten again, that you are attacking your own logic. And I don't have to request that you keep it up. You fell into it utterly. And you continue to fall into it utterly. So you believe that was the writer's intention?

No, you attempting to use a blast much later to justify what starlin's intentions were when he pitted the ig against the un is pitiful. There is no connection between the two and when a writer compared them there was no comparison at all.

It can manipulate any force with a mere thought until proven otherwise.

Surviving one blast and leaving doesn't prove you are immune. LOL.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Actually by mine and a few other peoples readings of the comic warlock one shotted them all.LT just undid the damage with a snap.

Except he did

o you won't tell me because you believe I didn't read the comic of which I don't even know which comic you are talking about?You have issues.I can give you the number of my therapist

I believe it happened early on in the RKT vs. void thread.Or possibly thanos vs. spectre.Or some other thread you were trolling around in.

ODG think of it this way.Small blast<big blast.Thats how something works.IG probably can't tank the blast as I think I have stated but there are many more ways for IG to beat UN then simply tanking it.SUch as transporting the blast to the other side of the universe or stopping time so the blast can't reach them or even making the UN user use it on himself.IG>UN through versatility. Which comic did this take place in?