Judomaster vs Batgirl & Lady Shiva

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Prep-Man
Female version of Judomaster.

Konton
Team.

KingD19
Judomaster easily....even if it's more than one opponent, her Aversion Field keeps them at bay.....and she's a top martial artist in her own right.

cdtm
Did she have the aversion field in Birds of Prey?

I know she mysteriously lost her ability to speak English between than and JSA's Gog: Thy Kingdom Come.

Prep-Man
Did anybody read the last issue of JSA? It's not an aversion field. It's her own will power to defy the universe!

BruceSkywalker
not sure here.. what exactly are female judomaster's feats


has she beaten similar foes that shiva and batgirl have

also this is cassie correct

KingD19
Well, she has an Aversion Field/Apparent Will To Defy The Universe.

Basically, she can't be hit by any attack directed at her as long as she tries to avoid it. If you try to punch her in the face, she's not gonna get punched in the face, etc... The only way to hit her is with omni-direction attacks like explosions and stuff.

And I don't know her feats off the top of my head, but she is one of the highest ranked martial artists in the DCU

-Pr-
Judomaster should take it handily, unless Cassie has anything in her belt that would do the job.

cdtm
Originally posted by -Pr-
Judomaster should take it handily, unless Cassie has anything in her belt that would do the job.

Even if Cass doesn't, how can Judomaster hit her?

We're basically talking about a martial artists version of Juggernaut vs Shaggy Man, in terms of science based sixth sense vs magic/power based sixth sense. Cass couldn't even be hit by Shadow Thief's weird reach, and was happy to brawl with the intangible opponent forever. Treated it like a game.

oldsmokey
Judomaster wins. Her power is almost custom-made to fight martial artists like Shiva and Cassandra, even more so than the team's body reading shtick.

srankmissingnin
If it comes down to it, Shiva and Cass can likely out last her.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
not sure here.. what exactly are female judomaster's feats


has she beaten similar foes that shiva and batgirl have

also this is cassie correct she recently owned tiger and his henchman. Who is a great martial artist in his own right, knocked down major force, and evaded gog for a bit. Plus easily outlasted wildcat. She basically has a perfect record.

Q99
Originally posted by -Pr-
Judomaster should take it handily, unless Cassie has anything in her belt that would do the job.

Should have smokebombs and flashbangs at the least.

cdtm
Originally posted by Prep-Man
she recently owned tiger and his henchman. Who is a great martial artist in his own right, knocked down major force, and evaded gog for a bit. Plus easily outlasted wildcat. She basically has a perfect record.

Nothing quite as "meta" as Cass though, in terms of taking out a meta human that kicked Batmans ass, or stepping between bullets Matrix style, in addition to feats like breaking bullet proof windows with her bare hands. She should be superior in speed and strength, and the body reading makes her almost as hard to hit. She even has two examples of dodging sniper fire, with her back to the gunman.

oldsmokey
Actually, Judomaster's aversion field makes her much, much harder to hit than either Shiva or Cassandra's body reading. It's not something she has to consciously do. On top of one of the ultimate H2H defenses, Judomaster happens to be a phenomenal fighter. Shiva and Cassandra don't really have a good way of winning this, unlike, say, Black Canary, who can blanket the area with one of her screams.

cdtm
Originally posted by oldsmokey
Actually, Judomaster's aversion field makes her much, much harder to hit than either Shiva or Cassandra's body reading. It's not something she has to consciously do. On top of one of the ultimate H2H defenses, Judomaster happens to be a phenomenal fighter. Shiva and Cassandra don't really have a good way of winning this, unlike, say, Black Canary, who can blanket the area with one of her screams.

She doesn't have to consciously do it, but it can be overcome. And while Cass's ability doesn't come as easily, it's still basically a full blown language for her. So it's the difference between breathing, and speaking/listening... You don't really focus a lot of energy on either one, even if breathing is unconscious.

I could see Cass and Judomaster stalemating, if it was pure hand to hand.

But it would be interesting to see if Cass's body reading ability could somehow correct for the aversion ability... As in, if Cass's eyes tell her Judomaster is dodging to the left, but the body language JM is giving off tells her she's actually going slightly to 11 oclock.

Another thing to think about, is if Cass (Or Shiva) tries grappling. Judomaster can't be hit with strikes or bullets, but that doesn't mean she can't be grabbed if one of them purposely takes a blow to grab at a limb...

If she can have a kiss planted on her lips like she did in JSA despite her aversion field, she can be grabbed too. stick out tongue

Prep-Man
Originally posted by cdtm
She doesn't have to consciously do it, but it can be overcome. And while Cass's ability doesn't come as easily, it's still basically a full blown language for her. So it's the difference between breathing, and speaking/listening... You don't really focus a lot of energy on either one, even if breathing is unconscious.

I could see Cass and Judomaster stalemating, if it was pure hand to hand.

But it would be interesting to see if Cass's body reading ability could somehow correct for the aversion ability... As in, if Cass's eyes tell her Judomaster is dodging to the left, but the body language JM is giving off tells her she's actually going slightly to 11 oclock.

Another thing to think about, is if Cass (Or Shiva) tries grappling. Judomaster can't be hit with strikes or bullets, but that doesn't mean she can't be grabbed if one of them purposely takes a blow to grab at a limb...

If she can have a kiss planted on her lips like she did in JSA despite her aversion field, she can be grabbed too. stick out tongue

It's not really an aversion field as stated last issue. It's her own will power to defy the universe. Plus her stats seem a bit above Cass as she has easily knocked Major Force on his ass. A close to top tier being.

So, all she really needs is one blow to finish her off.

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