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Black Adam's or Thor?

Adam fairly easy

he was fairly easily melting by heat vision and pierced by arrows in WWIII

Thors tough enough to take shots from Hulk, but I wonder how he'd handle a football field or so sized terresect opening in his brain?

wasn't that Captain marvel?

no, it was BA. Scientists created it on the island.

Originally posted by Warlord
he was fairly easily melting by heat vision and pierced by arrows in WWIII

And Thor has felt bullets.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
And Thor has felt bullets.

see?
they are both crappy...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
no, it was BA. Scientists created it on the island.

are there any scans?
I'd like to see that... not that i doubt it

Originally posted by Warlord
are there any scans?
I'd like to see that... not that i doubt it

It's just a scene of Morrow pointing a remote control at Adams head, and Adam screaming in pain before collapsing.

But I'll try and find a scan.

TO Morrow.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
TO Morrow.

T.O. Morrow.

And Oolong Island as a secret mad scientist headquarters was a good idea. They should've kept it past 52.

They still have it in Doom Patrol.

Originally posted by Warlord
he was fairly easily melting by heat vision and pierced by arrows in WWIII

After fighting constantly fighting shit loads of people at once.

Thor needed saving by a hillbilly hick and Maria Hill after after getting his as beat down by some U foes and Iron Patriot

fighting a lot of people made his skin soft enough for an arrow to penetrate?
also, please with the u-foes example. don't support the well known troll's opinion on this please. you're a respected poster and i think you know better. We have seen vector alone reduce Hulk to a skeleton and thor was taking his blast along with others after being hit by sentry.
finally even this is a low showing for Thor but in the same month in his book he was taking hits from Doom/Destroyer (I know lower than normal destroyer but still...) without a scratch.

overall in his career I say Thor has durability showings easilly on adam's level (unless we use pre crisis where the marvels were trully invulnerable)

Black Adam

Thor is just one notch bellow BA.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Adam fairly easy

dupidu = dur

considering Thor's overall career, the "fairly easy" thing is funny

dupidu = dur

Now Black Adam is easily more durable than Thor?

Lol.

Thor overall.

BA.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor overall.

I'd give Adam the edge in durability.

whether adam has an edge or not being "easilly" more durable means that someone has missed a lot of Thor's books

Originally posted by Warlord
whether adam has an edge or not being "easilly" more durable means that someone has missed a lot of Thor's books



And seriously, if I wanted to, I could flip through my Power of Shazam books if I wanted to play the lowball game regarding durability.

Originally posted by Warlord
whether adam has an edge or not being "easilly" more durable means that someone has missed a lot of Thor's books

I don't think it's easily.

Thor.

What can Thor survive that the Marvel family couldn't? Someone give me some examples.

Due to hammer I'd rate Thor's overall defense as higher, but I'm pretty sure his skin is easier to pierce.

I'm talking man to man. No weapons, but who can take the most punishment and more varied attacks to the body.

With the hammer, Thor's defenses being higher isn't a question.

Black Adam should have superior hard durability to Thor. At least he would have in the past.

World War 3 damaged his hard durability image though.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
What can Thor survive that the Marvel family couldn't? Someone give me some examples.

Question: What's Black Adam's greatest durability feat?

Out of fairness (He hasn't had his own title etc.), I'll allow Captain Marvel's greatest durability feat.

Marvel family bodies are ultimately magical constructs. They've been turned inside-out (literally, CM was hit by a tesseract bomb that temporarily made him into a pile of guts. He snapped back to humanoid) without being killed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
With the hammer, Thor's defenses being higher isn't a question.

Black Adam should have superior hard durability to Thor. At least he would have in the past.

World War 3 damaged his hard durability image though.



Question: What's Black Adam's greatest durability feat?

Out of fairness (He hasn't had his own title etc.), I'll allow Captain Marvel's greatest durability feat.

That was a BS issue, seeing as Adam has taken MM attacks before. He also withstood Onimar Synn's attacks, being punched through mountains and punching him far away. A Thanos level being, IMO.

Originally posted by Q99
Marvel family bodies are ultimately magical constructs. They've been turned inside-out (literally, CM was hit by a tesseract bomb that temporarily made him into a pile of guts. He snapped back to humanoid) without being killed.

Captain Marvel's nagical nature does make him, and by extension Adam, harder to kill than most beings, that's true, but being harder to kill doesn't mean they can take a punch or a blast of energy etc. better than Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer and so on.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
That was a BS issue, seeing as Adam has taken MM attacks before. He also withstood Onimar Synn's attacks, being punched through mountains and punching him far away. A Thanos level being, IMO.

At least you acknowledge that World War 3 was in actuality a good showing for Adam's rage and will, and not his power level.

Meh, Thor's withstood attacks from beings far above Thanos level in power.

Issue number? You aren't too great with context. No offense.

I recall an interaction but I'm too lazy to dig.

the tesseract bomb thing was really impressive. I doubt Superman could handle it. But to me it wasn't a durability feat as he was afected but something that showed how hard to kill he is.

I don't doubt that Marvel or Adam are somewhat more durable than Thor but saying they are by a great ammount is wrong IMO

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meh, Thor's withstood attacks from beings far above Thanos level in power.

Like Odin.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At least you acknowledge that World War 3 was in actuality a good showing for Adam's rage and will, and not his power level.

Meh, Thor's withstood attacks from beings far above Thanos level in power.

Issue number? You aren't too great with context. No offense.

I recall an interaction but I'm too lazy to dig.

Issue number to what?

Originally posted by Warlord
the tesseract bomb thing was really impressive. I doubt Superman could handle it. But to me it wasn't a durability feat as he was afected but something that showed how hard to kill he is.

I don't doubt that Marvel or Adam are somewhat more durable than Thor but saying they are by a great ammount is wrong IMO

When Superman switched bodies with Cap, he commented on how more powerful he was or something.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Issue number to what?

The Onimar interaction. You said he was punched through a mountain etc.

I'd like to see it. Not because it sounds particularly impressive, but because I'm curious.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Like Odin.

or Zeus, Surtur etc...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When Superman switched bodies with Cap, he commented on how more powerful he was or something.

Or something.

And Superman did have an orgasm from holding Mjolnir. We all saw that tiny little bulge in his red speedos.

I think it was issue 23. His first appearance. All I remember was that he was very large, punched Adam far away, crushed him with his foot, and sent him flying. Adam still got up to fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Like Odin.

Surtur, the Union, Ymir, Celestials etc.

Face it people, Thor's a bonafide Cosmic Being.

Well, Superman flipping out about how Marvel is awesome makes sense. From a euphoric stand point, you'd probably get more of a kick out of being Shazam-ified than being a Kryptonian.

Here is the foot crushing example.

http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3fc7d_onimar7.jpg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
From a euphoric stand point, you'd probably get more of a kick out of being Shazam-ified than being a Kryptonian.

not if you are Shokosugi

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think it was issue 23. His first appearance. All I remember was that he was very large, punched Adam far away, crushed him with his foot, and sent him flying. Adam still got up to fight.

Oh, that's the issue your talking about. When they went to Thanagar right? I keep forgetting that was Onimar for some reason. I have his new look stuck in my mind.

These are most of the scenes right?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/24-15.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/25-17.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/25-20.jpg
Thanks to K-M.

Decent enough I guess, but hardly impressive when we look at Thor's higher showings.

Originally posted by Warlord
not if you are Shokosugi

lol

I'd rather be Captain Marvel.

Meh, if I was put in the DC Universe, I'd pick being Superman over Captain Marvel in a heartbeat. Somewhere other than DC or in the real world, it's reversed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh, that's the issue your talking about. When they went to Thanagar right? I keep forgetting that was Onimar for some reason. I have his new look stuck in my mind.

These are most of the scenes right?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/24-15.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/25-17.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/25-20.jpg
Thanks to K-M.

Decent enough I guess, but hardly impressive when we look at Thor's higher showings.

It's hard for you to give any credit to Adam or Cap, huh?

Synn is a very powerful being and I don't deny that Thor has had some good showings, but don't forget he has some low ones too. Everyone does. Hell, Superman has taken on cosmic beings and gods all the time, yet I still give the durability edge to Cap or Adam.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It's hard for you to give any credit to Adam or Cap, huh?

Synn is a very powerful being and I don't deny that Thor has had some good showings, but don't forget he has some low ones too. Everyone does. Hell, Superman has taken on cosmic beings and gods all the time, yet I still give the durability edge to Cap or Adam.



I give credit where credit is due. I'm simply being honest. If I posted Thor's higher end showings, that scene with Onimar would hardly look impressive.

It is a decent enough showing like I said. He was knocked from the planet and on to a moon. It's worth mentioning, but that's all it's worth in a thread like this.

Well, that's a pretty weak argument in itself. I'm not going to claim Thor is more durable than a character simply because he takes on Gods and Cosmic Beings. It's due to the status and power of the said Cosmic Beings that I place Thor where I do.

Debatable. Overall they would be more durable, no magic or Kryptonite weakness. But if I had to pick someone to tank an energy blast or a punch on the chin, I'd pick Superman over Marvel.

When it gets tough, Superman and Thor seem to excel above their peers.

I'd defo pick Cap over Supes....overall I'd be Jozz or Hal...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I give credit where credit is due. I'm simply being honest. If I posted Thor's higher end showings, that scene with Onimar would hardly look impressive.

It is a decent enough showing like I said. He was knocked from the planet and on to a moon. It's worth mentioning, but that's all it's worth in a thread like this.

Well, that's a pretty weak argument in itself. I'm not going to claim Thor is more durable than a character simply because he takes on Gods and Cosmic Beings. It's due to the status and power of the said Cosmic Beings that I place Thor where I do.

Debatable. Overall they would be more durable, no magic or Kryptonite weakness. But if I had to pick someone to tank an energy blast or a punch on the chin, I'd pick Superman over Marvel.

When it gets tough, Superman and Thor seem to excel above their peers.

Than post some scans of Thor's durability without the hammer.

Remember, Cap and Adam were the original invulnerable beings that hardly anything could harm them. Fawcett years and PC has shown this. If anything, history is on the side of the Marvel family. Not Superman's.

if a scan battle is about to start maybe you can take it to the battlezone...just saying...
however pre-crisis Marvels were something like Juggeraut

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When Superman switched bodies with Cap, he commented on how more powerful he was or something.

Marvel did survive getting turned inside out as well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Here is the foot crushing example.

http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3fc7d_onimar7.jpg

This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I was thinking about when I made my Adam vs Nefaria thread!

On CBR, there was a lot of crowing about how Nefaria took buildings piling on top of him, and it was from intelligent posters who knew about feats like this one here, and other crazy feats.

Makes me wonder if there's some kind of nostalgic element to the love Nefaria seems to get on all the boards. I mean, he was impressive, but you'd think he's Pre Crisis Superman the way he's regarded. (And I swear, one consistantly good poster even called him Pre Crisis Superman in Marvel.)

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Than post some scans of Thor's durability without the hammer.

Remember, Cap and Adam were the original invulnerable beings that hardly anything could harm them. Fawcett years and PC has shown this. If anything, history is on the side of the Marvel family. Not Superman's.

I'm assuming this is Post Crisis DC Captain Marvel/Black Adam we're debating.

*Crack's fingers*

Just give me a second to go through my respect thread....

Extreme Temperatures:

Heat.

Thor is able to hold with his bare hands the Gem of Infinite Suns without so much as discomfort yet with a touch, it burns even Kurse.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WithstandsGemInfiniteSuns1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WithstandsGemInfiniteSuns3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WithstandsGemInfiniteSuns4.jpg
Note: The Gem of Infinite Suns contains the power of a multitude of Suns.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WithstandsGemInfiniteSuns2.jpg
It is a source of solar energy unlimited and can instantly thaw all of Asgard.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WithstandsGemInfiniteSuns4.jpg
Its power can contain the cold of the Casket of Winters itself.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WithstandsGemInfiniteSuns5.jpg

Thor walks through a raging torrent of hellfire created by Mephisto in his own realm.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsHellfire.jpg

Masterson Thor is not even bothered when he is engulfed by Stellar Fire created by Heimdall possessing the Odin Force.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/WithstandsStellarFire.jpg

Cold.

Thor is completely unaffected by a direct blast to the face from the open Casket of Ancient Winters itself which is the power of cold personified.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsMalekith3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsMalekith4.jpg
Note: It's power unleashed literally froze all of Midgard, Asgard, the Trolls, even the Frost Giants succumbed to it's power, and on top of it all, it froze over all of Hel.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CasketofAncientWinters3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CasketofAncientWinters4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CasketofAncientWinters5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CasketofAncientWinters6.jpg
The Casket of Ancient Winters literally contains the fury of Niffleheim which was the first realm of ice which was older than anything. It's full force is something that not even Odin and his Odin Power could withstand as it froze him in an icy prison that he could not escape.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CasketofWinters.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CasketofWinters2.jpg
It's as powerful as cold gets.

If you guys want something otherworldly based, there was the Frog Thor and Demogorge incident.

Sorry for the scan barrage. I should have probably been chosen the showings with greater care.

Originally posted by Warlord
if a scan battle is about to start maybe you can take it to the battlezone...just saying...
however pre-crisis Marvels were something like Juggeraut

Yeah, they were pretty much unstoppable.

In a Superman/Captain Marvel team up, Sivana with Captain Marvels powers was taking on both Supermen, and nothing they did really seemed to hurt him. Marvel himself hit him hard enough for the sound of his punch to be heard at the Rock of Eternity and wake Shazam up from the sleep Sivana put him under, and didn't damage him.

Yeah, in their PC encounters, Superman only did well in his own native universe because the Power of Shazam wasn't as strong as it was back in Marvel's. And even then, he couldn't put him away for the count.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sorry for the scan barrage. I should have probably been chosen the showings with greater care.

Some of those are pretty impressive, but Cap is definitely on his level. Taking a beating from Spectre, having himself turned insideout, battling Faces of Evil, Adam surviving a tesseract in his head, enduring the JSA, Cap brushing off a mind controlled JLA, Adam surviving a magical bullet designed to kill him, etc...

ok guys after 4 pages I guess we can agree that there is no big difference (if any significant one) between the two

consistencywise prolly Black Adam???? high-end wise and feats wise, prolly Thor. In the end I'll go with Thor. Just a smidgen.... He has survived attacks from far beyond high heralds like Celestials.

ka-dur

Originally posted by manthing
dude thor was gushing blood after taskmaster hit him with a shield , black adam is way more durable

he was pierced by arrows

ka-dur

Originally posted by manthing
arrows that were shut by superhuman and are made for peircing vs a shield strike from a peak human? i will go with the arrows

arrows from ordinary metal...yeah Adam's impressive

ka-dur

that means that Adam's skin is less durable than ordinarry metal otherwise the arrows would be broken no mater who shot it. unless u suggest a superstrong guy could hurt him with oranges also

great...

ka-dur

again metal >> BA's skin - Ironman is more durable

ka-dur

Thor's normally awesome reputation in durability takes a hit when you consider lame ass Logan is able to hurt him with his claws.

A-Bomb wasn't even hurt by those harpies with their adamantium talons.

I can't imagine Logan hurting Black Adam on even an average day.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor shrugs off a blow from Captain Marvel.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsCaptainMarvel2.jpg
Note: This is not cannon anymore as of JLA/Avengers in my opinion.


haha gayest uniform ever

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Blunt Force:

Thor shrugs off a blow from Captain Marvel.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsCaptainMarvel2.jpg
Note: This is not cannon anymore as of JLA/Avengers in my opinion.

Thor shrugs off simultaneous blows from Martian Manhunter and Superman.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSuperman12.jpg
Note: Whether this is cannon is in question.

*Had to include those two. *



* should of included dials go to eleven aswell
BA won't go down to that shit

Originally posted by Warlord
he was pierced by arrows

weren't those arrows magical

WW3 is the only event when BA has dubious durability

if we look at BA's history of feats he alongside CM have excellent durability showings... bullets pfft
Originally posted by CosmicComet

I can't imagine Logan hurting Black Adam on even an average day.

i just cant see the freakin U FOES take out black adam Lol he is more durable than thor , also i dont see hulk beating BA to a bloody pulp like he does to thor

i think black adam can take more blunt force as in punches, piercing attacks

thor can take more energy powers because of his hammer, with out it i would give it to black adam

who can take more magic? i think its a toss up

but PC Black Adam takes this in all 3 he was like juggernaut

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Blunt Force:

Thor shrugs off a blow from Captain Marvel.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsCaptainMarvel2.jpg
Note: This is not cannon anymore as of JLA/Avengers in my opinion.

Thor shrugs off simultaneous blows from Martian Manhunter and Superman.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSuperman12.jpg
Note: Whether this is cannon is in question.

that was marvels and DCs Thor merged.......

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Blunt Force:

Thor shrugs off a blow from Captain Marvel.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsCaptainMarvel2.jpg
Note: This is not cannon anymore as of JLA/Avengers in my opinion.

Thor shrugs off simultaneous blows from Martian Manhunter and Superman.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSuperman12.jpg
Note: Whether this is cannon is in question.

*Had to include those two. *

no you didn't actually

Rage of olympus is a dirty liar the scans he posted are not of ordenery thor this is a merged thor combined of both MARVEL thor and DC thor

Originally posted by wasaki
Rage of olympus is a dirty liar the scans he posted are not of ordenery thor this is a merged thor combined of both MARVEL thor and DC thor



Of course, of course!

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow


Of course, of course!

read that arc yourself MARVEL thor and DC thor merged so that was a combined thor of both universes and still he couldnt handle captain marvel

Adam, but not by a whole lot.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Thor's normally awesome reputation in durability takes a hit when you consider lame ass Logan is able to hurt him with his claws.

A-Bomb wasn't even hurt by those harpies with their adamantium talons.

I can't imagine Logan hurting Black Adam on even an average day.

has Logan ever failed to cut through a non armored opponent though?

Juggernaut

juggernaut has a forcefield.
I was talking about flesh durability. let's say Gladiator's flesh or Hyperions etc

^ Sentry.

right.
in civil war...
forgot about that

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Sentry. I also think he was halding his claws

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3291/clawsclawsfailtocut1wol.th.jpghttp://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7260/clawsclawsfailtocut2wol.th.jpg

who's this guy?
impenetrable skin... he should see Luke

I have no clue I can't remeber that his name was said in that comic.

He dies anyways 1 or 2 pages later by falling into lava.