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Which bruiser wins?

Ares.

Ares

nerve pinch, air blood choke or even good old adamantium blunt damage ftw

Ares

How durable is Ares?

Originally posted by dmills
How durable is Ares?

Pretty darn durable being a class 70.

So Ares takes it.

Originally posted by dmills
How durable is Ares? Durable enough that IMO no claws wolverine can't take him down.

no he is not hand gun bullets go clean through him.. his durability isnt even ms marvel/rogue class

Originally posted by dmills
How durable is Ares?

Not quite bullet proof.

Ares.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no he is not hand gun bullets go clean through him.. his durability isnt even ms marvel/rogue class

Piercing durability =/= Blunt force durability

Irrelevant though. Current Ares is bullet proof. Well, was.

Originally posted by Q99
Pretty darn durable being a class 70.

So Ares takes it. good think logan bar fights with a class 90 asgardian human troll with a healing factor and still kicks his @$$ regularly

^ ... Ulik isn't human? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ares.

Piercing durability =/= Blunt force durability

Irrelevant though. Current Ares is bullet proof. Well, was.

Or has an insane healing factor which allows him to recover nigh-instantaneously from having a bullet go through his skull:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/AresDurability02.jpg

i wasnt talking about ulik i dont even recall ulik ever being logan's bar fight buddy...

Ares

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1048/roughousefistfight3yw5.jpg

^ First, Roughouse utterly tooled Wolverine the first time they met. Second, Roughouse is an idiot and doesn't adapt his fighting to match the situation, unlike Wolverine. Third, Roughouse would get utterly destroyed by Ares.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or has an insane healing factor which allows him to recover nigh-instantaneously from having a bullet go through his skull:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/AresDurability02.jpg

I count three "Blams" so I'm assuming Bucky shoot him 3 times. That's a very soft spot that Bucky shot at. And at most, the bullets just surprised or stunned him.

There's also the scene from War Machine #21 I believe where he is unharmed by bullets.

Current wolverine can't stab wonderman wildshadow

head butt for the win...
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5798/wolverine14527gp8.jpg

kick to the noodle...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9291/deathhulk2bl2.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8058/abomxz4.jpg

man really wish i had the xmen FF encounter when logan kicks thing in the head and dazes his @$$

And Death Wolverine had no amping of any sort as I've seen some people argue before...

Uh oh. I sense a scan-a-thon approaching. I'll check back in 20 pages or so.

Haha. I like rallying up the fan bases every once in a while.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And Death Wolverine had no amping of any sort as I've seen some people argue before... Clearly. Originally posted by Wild Shadow
head butt for the win...
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5798/wolverine14527gp8.jpg

kick to the noodle...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9291/deathhulk2bl2.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8058/abomxz4.jpg

man really wish i had the xmen FF encounter when logan kicks thing in the head and dazes his @$$ Wolverine should attack Ares' fist with his adamantium chin. Served him well the last time around:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/th_AresStrength01.jpg

^

What do you think rage? I'm going to agree with you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Clearly.

yes

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine should attack Ares' fist with his adamantium chin. Served him well the last time around:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/th_AresStrength01.jpg



I was just about to post that.

Originally posted by amnesia
Current wolverine can't stab wonderman wildshadow current wolverine has bn nerfed so bad that he pales to classic wolverine up to 2000... i only saw the scene where he was punched by wonderman.. marvel writers have once again bn inconsistent when it came with WM and his latest depiction of power..


current marvel has given logan a glass jaw and a pentient for passing out and not knowing how to duck or fight...

i agree that if we base it on his current depiction he gets knocked down and ko';ed by the next two following punches from a class 70 tonner

forgetting scenes like this...

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6668/newsasquatch2fj5.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9057/newsasquatch3vo3.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7382/newsasquatch4hk0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1673/newsasquatch5pv4.jpg

Originally posted by amnesia
^

What do you think rage? I'm going to agree with you.

What this board needs is more posters like this fellow. If everyone was as intelligent as him, this board would flourish.

Just stick to my motto and you'll never fail:

"Thor wins. Always."

When in threads such as these, the being closest to Thor wins. Since that's Ares, he wins.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
current wolverine has bn nerved so bad that he pales to classic wolverine up to 2000... i only saw the scene where he was punched by wonderman.. marvel writers have once again bn inconsistent when it came with WM and his latest depiction of power..

current marvel has given logan a glass jaw and a pentient for passing out and not knowing how to duck or fight...

i agree that if we base it on his current depiction he fets knocked down and ko';ed by the next two following punches from a class 70 tonner Current versions per the rules. ermmhappy

And frankly, I've read Wolverine. For a while. And this kind of stuff isn't some new modern trend completely out of whack with his character. That is Wolverine.

And this is Ares.

And that's a table.

And... what were we talking about again?!

and what is a while the past 30 yrs of consistent history from his intro?

fighting bricks taking 100+ punches regularly getting up and keep on fighting...

100+ commenting how he is able to hurt them and how or why and being attributed to adamantium back punches...

a brick like ares at 70 tons with no real fighting style to seperate him from hulk, herc, rough house shouldnt be able to beat logan in a h2h fight.. not when he have seen logan use his MA feats to ko such lvl type bricks in the past with superior durability..

the rules also state character's at their best and no pis,,,

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Clearly. Wolverine should attack Ares' fist with his adamantium chin. Served him well the last time around:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/th_AresStrength01.jpg ummm....are you familiar with jujitsu?

wolverine can use ares brute strength against him...by slamming him to the ground using his own momentum and then laying on him with focused admantium knucked punches to vulnerable spots

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Current versions per the rules. ermmhappy

And frankly, I've read Wolverine. For a while. And this kind of stuff isn't some new modern trend completely out of whack with his character. That is Wolverine.
so logan has fought hulk numerous times in the past decade? I must've dreamed those sequences

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg
Thanks to K-M.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm....are you familiar with jujitsu?

wolverine can use ares brute strength against him...by slamming him to the ground using his own momentum and then laying on him with focused admantium knucked punches to vulnerable spots

But Logans primary style is brawling and snikt bub.

Seriously, with claws, the only tactic he has is charging face first into his opponent.

logan has ko'ed rogue bypassed her durability with a nerve pinch ninja trick... same would happen to ares...

but if not a adamantium knuckle to the temple should be enough to ko ares or any other spot where logan can apply his mystic MA skill fighting

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
current wolverine has bn nerfed so bad that he pales to classic wolverine up to 2000... i only saw the scene where he was punched by wonderman.. marvel writers have once again bn inconsistent when it came with WM and his latest depiction of power..


current marvel has given logan a glass jaw and a pentient for passing out and not knowing how to duck or fight...

i agree that if we base it on his current depiction he gets knocked down and ko';ed by the next two following punches from a class 70 tonner

forgetting scenes like this...

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6668/newsasquatch2fj5.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9057/newsasquatch3vo3.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7382/newsasquatch4hk0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1673/newsasquatch5pv4.jpg

He got punched once and was perfectly fine the next time he was shown a few panels later. It's not a big deal... the same thing happened to Thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so logan has fought hulk numerous times in the past decade? I must've dreamed those sequences What exactly are you blathering about? I don't even know what point you're trying to insinuate here to feel any sort of indignity. Originally posted by Wild Shadow
and what is a while the past 30 yrs of consistent history from his intro?

fighting bricks taking 100+ punches regularly getting up and keep on fighting...

100+ commenting how he is able to hurt them and how or why and being attributed to adamantium back punches...His intro is rife with that also. Appropriate example: Roughouse knocked the ever-loving crap out of him in their first encounter in Wolverine vol.2 #4:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse01Wolverinev24.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse02.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse03.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse04.jpg Originally posted by Starscream M
a brick like ares at 70 tons with no real fighting style to seperate him from hulk, herc, rough house shouldnt be able to beat logan in a h2h fight.. not when he have seen logan use his MA feats to ko such lvl type bricks in the past with superior durability..

the rules also state character's at their best and no pis,,, Just because you can't wrap Ares up into a neat single fighting style doesn't mean he's not skilled. Far from it. Roughouse not being able to beat Wolverine anymore has nothign to do with whether Ares takes him.

Taking Wolverine's entire history and Ares' entire history, Ares still wins.

Originally posted by amnesia
But Logans primary style is brawling and snikt bub.

Seriously, with claws, the only tactic he has is charging face first into his opponent. that is not true.. logan's fighting style is a reflection of the situations nd the person he is fighting and what he knows of that person.. when he fights rough house or any bricks that has the potential to ko him he uses his speed and agility and fighting skills... knowing ares it would be no different he is not going to trade punches with him and claim it is Cis... knowing what he knows of ares he would fight him the same way he fights mini tanks like Rogue and that is through skill and properly applied techniques not brawling

While we're on the topic, did Logan fail to cut Wonder Man? I'm not %100 certain due to the shitty art but that might have happened.

And Skrank? Thor tried to reason with him. Wolverine attacked and was O-W-N-E-D! By Wonder Man of all people!

I wonder what's wrong with Simon. He seems to be just unleashing ionic energy. Some type of overload maybe?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
While we're on the topic, did Logan fail to cut Wonder Man? I'm not %100 certain due to the shitty art but that might have happened.

And Skrank? Thor tried to reason with him. Wolverine attacked and was O-W-N-E-D! By Wonder Man of all people!

I wonder what's wrong with Simon. He seems to be just unleashing ionic energy. Some type of overload maybe?

Thor got dropped by a gut check, Wolverine got dropped by a face exploding super punch!

It looked to me like Wolverine managed to stab him with his right arm... but Simon is back to being pure Ionic energy and it didn't do jack shit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
While we're on the topic, did Logan fail to cut Wonder Man? I'm not %100 certain due to the shitty art but that might have happened.

And Skrank? Thor tried to reason with him. Wolverine attacked and was O-W-N-E-D! By Wonder Man of all people!

I wonder what's wrong with Simon. He seems to be just unleashing ionic energy. Some type of overload maybe?

He is Bendis current plot device.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What exactly are you blathering about? I don't even know what point you're trying to insinuate here to feel any sort of indignity. His intro is rife with that also. Appropriate example: Roughouse knocked the ever-loving crap out of him in their first encounter in Wolverine vol.2 #4:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse01Wolverinev24.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse02.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse03.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/th_WolverinevsRoughouse04.jpg Just because you can't wrap Ares up into a neat single fighting style doesn't mean he's not skilled. Far from it. Roughouse not being able to beat Wolverine anymore has nothign to do with whether Ares takes him.

Taking Wolverine's entire history and Ares' entire history, Ares still wins. sigh...

yes rough house f#@@ed him up in their 1st encounter but the context of the story shows the damage he took.. a car crash caused by rough house then a sudden beating when he got out the car punched in the back of the head getting up just to have it happen again.. plus it was also a 90 tonner with classic logan with a mild more tame healing factor.. no shame in this and it shouldnt be interchangeable with ares thinking he should be able to do the same b/c from what we saw from this example ares 70 ton strength shouldnt be able to stagger or ko logan... sent him flying sure but not ko him or daze him although i like to point out logan wasnt ko'ed he was jsut knocked down on the floor he was still conscious and thinking clearly but just hurting badly

^ Wolverine clearly can't take car crashes even with his physique, healing factor and adamantium skeleton. Clearly. Who's side are you on, exactly?

And lulz at the "lesser-healing-factor-back-in-the-days" excuse. I was under the impression that you were making the argument that Wolverine was much more formidable back then. Bit of disjunction here when you go from excusing a performance in a current fight by protesting "this isn't the Wolverine of old who was more formidable than current nerfed Wolverine" to excusing a performance in an old fight by protesting "this isn't the Wolverine of now who's healing factor is more formidable than way back then."

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor got dropped by a gut check, Wolverine got dropped by a face exploding super punch!

It looked to me like Wolverine managed to stab him with his right arm... but Simon is back to being pure Ionic energy and it didn't do jack shit.

I'd actually argue that the Thor punch looked more powerful. More ionic energy was being released and everything. Besides, the Thor punch made this huge "BOOM" while the Wolverine punch made this tiny "FRABOOM!" My logic is infallible.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/d3589185636772
http://www.imagebam.com/image/9533c885636779

It looked like Wolverine tried and failed to stab him. No shame in it. Wonder Man was intended to be an invulnerable like character.

It's clear that Wolverine rolled with Simon's punch and that it only grazed him. Did you see how his head turned?

vin

sigh.. wolverine was more formidble back then, than he is now. i dont understand what you think i am saying. i dont agree how logan has bn written in the last decade i think he is a joke.

are there inconsistencies early in his career, yes. but, it wasnt that bad or that far fetch..

now its like a yoyo ups and down and massive difference at the lvl of consistency.. between the high or the low,,,

and a car crash instt going to ko logan but it would be a shock a second or two to recover and a 90 tonner beating him mercilessly while he is trying to figure what is happening would tax his healing factor if he Rough house doesnt let up and allows him to recover..

he has taken more powerful single attacks well above 100+ strength lvl but that doesnt mean an accumulated 90 ton damage cant equal or surpass his ability to cope or heal...

if i recall logan was hit by a stealth plane it hurt he recovered almost instantly and kept on fighting in a slash claw fight.. the damage is more then a car crash but it is just one single attack which his body could compensate that does not mean his car crash instant is inconsistent with his power or durability.. the inconsistency is would be more around the one single 70 ton punch ko'ing him.. not a 100 + tonner doing it the gap is to large to be viewed as being logical.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd actually argue that the Thor punch looked more powerful. More ionic energy was being released and everything. Besides, the Thor punch made this huge "BOOM" while the Wolverine punch made this tiny "FRABOOM!" My logic is infallible.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/d3589185636772
http://www.imagebam.com/image/9533c885636779

It looked like Wolverine tried and failed to stab him. No shame in it. Wonder Man was intended to be an invulnerable like character.

Hehe

The isolated patch of Ionic Energy radiating from a center area directly under Wolverine's right hand claws, seems to indicate that there was at least some partial penetration. /shrug

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh.. wolverine was more formidble back then, than he is now. i dont understand what you think i am saying. i dont agree how logan has bn written in the last decade i think he is a joke.

are there inconsistencies early in his career, yes. but, it wasnt that bad or that far fetch..

now its like a yoyo ups and down and massive difference at the lvl of consistency.. between the high or the low,,,

an a car crash sint going to ko logan but it would be a shock a second or two to recover and a 90 tonner beating him mercilessly while he is trying to figure what is happening would tax his healing factor if he Rough house doesnt let up and allows him to recover..

he has taken more powerful single attacks well above 100+ strength lvl but that doesnt mean an accumulated 90 ton damage cant equal or surpass his ability to cope or heal...

if i recall logan was hit by a stealth plane it hurt he recovered almost instantly and kept on fighting in a slash claw fight.. the damage is more then a car crash but it is just one single attack which his body could compensate that does not mean his car crash instant is inconsistent with his power or durability.. the inconsistency is would be more around the one single 70 ton punch ko'ing him.. not a 100 + tonner doing it the gap is to large to be viewed as being logical.

AND NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LOVE THOR`THEEND.JPG

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh.. wolverine was more formidble back then, than he is now. i dont understand what you think i am saying. i dont agree how logan has bn written in the last decade i think he is a joke.

are there inconsistencies early in his career, yes. but, it wasnt that bad or that far fetch..

now its like a yoyo ups and down and massive difference at the lvl of consistency.. between the high or the low,,,

an a car crash sint going to ko logan but it would be a shock a second or two to recover and a 90 tonner beating him mercilessly while he is trying to figure what is happening would tax his healing factor if he Rough house doesnt let up and allows him to recover..

he has taken more powerful single attacks well above 100+ strength lvl but that doesnt mean an accumulated 90 ton damage cant equal or surpass his ability to cope or heal...

if i recall logan was hit by a stealth plane it hurt he recovered almost instantly and kept on fighting in a slash claw fight.. the damage is more then a car crash but it is just one single attack which his body could compensate that does not mean his car crash instant is inconsistent with his power or durability.. the inconsistency is would be more around the one single 70 ton punch ko'ing him.. not a 100 + tonner doing it the gap is to large to be viewed as being logical.

If you ignore Wolverine: Origins, like most people do, then Wolverine heals as fast (if not faster) now as he ever has...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hehe

The isolated patch of Ionic Energy radiating from a center area directly under Wolverine's right hand claws, seems to indicate that there was at least some partial penetration. /shrug

Well, Wonder Man was radiating bursts of Ionic Energy. To each his own I guess.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, Wonder Man was radiating bursts of Ionic Energy. To each his own I guess.

Regardless, even if it happened it was completely ineffective. Simon is back at peak form right now... if slightly insane.

Originally posted by amnesia
AND NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LOVE THOR`THEEND.JPG i am a massive thor and wolverine fan and i sould be foaming at the mouth just from seeing what the writer had simon doing to my two favorite guys in the same pages two boot.. but, i learn not to care nor purchase marvel crap anymore only in E books or collected older works but i dont support modern writers or comics that is including the garbage that has become wolverine minus some good well written one shots or mini's not series just the 4 issues mini's anything else and its just a marketing scam and crappy writing

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Regardless, even if it happened it was completely ineffective. Simon is back at peak form right now... if slightly insane.

Simon is due for an ass kicking from Thor.

Simon is extremely lucky that Thor is very level headed. Especially currently. Back in the day Thor would have beat the shit out of him for that kind of insolence.

You know, from the amounts of sucker punches Simon has landed on Thor, you'd think he'd learn to not keep his defenses down around him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Simon is due for an ass kicking from Thor.

Simon is extremely lucky that Thor is very level headed. Especially currently. Back in the day Thor would have beat the shit out of him for that kind of insolence.

You know, from the amounts of sucker punches Simon has landed on Thor, you'd think he'd learn to not keep his defenses down around him.

We can only hope.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Simon is due for an ass kicking from Thor.

Simon is extremely lucky that Thor is very level headed. Especially currently. Back in the day Thor would have beat the shit out of him for that kind of insolence.

You know, from the amounts of sucker punches Simon has landed on Thor, you'd think he'd learn to not keep his defenses down around him.

>Thor keep his defenses

lulz, always getting sucker punched by Hercules... ALWAYS.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh.. wolverine was more formidble back then, than he is now. i dont understand what you think i am saying. i dont agree how logan has bn written in the last decade i think he is a joke.

are there inconsistencies early in his career, yes. but, it wasnt that bad or that far fetch..

now its like a yoyo ups and down and massive difference at the lvl of consistency.. between the high or the low,,,I don't understand what you think you are saying because there's disjunction with every new statement you make when you try to reconcile the inconsistencies I'm poking at.

This vast chasm you're insisting on between Wolverine's low feats and his high feats is something that every comic character has. Wolverine's not special in this regard. Originally posted by Wild Shadow
and a car crash instt going to ko logan but it would be a shock a second or two to recover and a 90 tonner beating him mercilessly while he is trying to figure what is happening would tax his healing factor if he Rough house doesnt let up and allows him to recover..

he has taken more powerful single attacks well above 100+ strength lvl but that doesnt mean an accumulated 90 ton damage cant equal or surpass his ability to cope or heal...

if i recall logan was hit by a stealth plane it hurt he recovered almost instantly and kept on fighting in a slash claw fight.. the damage is more then a car crash but it is just one single attack which his body could compensate that does not mean his car crash instant is inconsistent with his power or durability.. the inconsistency is would be more around the one single 70 ton punch ko'ing him.. not a 100 + tonner doing it the gap is to large to be viewed as being logical. You mean the car crash that didn't even hurt Tyger Tyger? K. And this case you're building that "quick successive blunt force damage can actually defeat Wolverine" is something I agree with. You're preaching to the choir.

How a car crash changes that equation drastically -- especially when you're dealing with comic characters of this strength scale -- is what I'm missing here.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We can only hope.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t191/chesshirecatm/THOR/1215_thor.jpg

Originally posted by amnesia
>Thor keep his defenses

lulz, always getting sucker punched by Hercules... ALWAYS.

Not true.

Thor should always have a beard, he looks like a d-bag Fabio wannabe without one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor should always have a beard, he looks like a d-bag Fabio wannabe without one.

Not with a broad nose.

thats eric he is back yeah!!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor should always have a beard, he looks like a d-bag Fabio wannabe without one.

Jealousy does not suit you.

I will admit though, bearded Thor was all kinds of awesome.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak11.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak12.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Jealousy does not suit you.

I will admit though, bearded Thor was all kinds of awesome.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak11.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak12.jpg

I used to think everyman should have a beard... but dirty hipsters are slowly changing my mind.

Thor should still have one though!

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm....are you familiar with jujitsu?

wolverine can use ares brute strength against him...by slamming him to the ground using his own momentum and then laying on him with focused admantium knucked punches to vulnerable spots
http://i47.tinypic.com/16i9il2.jpg

stop spamming psycho

is she even legal?

Wolverine is terribly portrayed in the Avenger's comic.

ares.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... Ulik isn't human?

Or has an insane healing factor which allows him to recover nigh-instantaneously from having a bullet go through his skull:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/AresDurability02.jpg
To be fair he been dropped by bullets before and has anyone elses been thinking that bucky gun does not shoot bullets?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
To be fair he been dropped by bullets before and has anyone elses been thinking that bucky gun does not shoot bullets? That looks like a pretty standard pistol and the blams make you think its bullets.

theres a scan of ares riding a large bomb(an atomic bomb) and rode it down to its detonation point and jumped up and started fighting

Originally posted by Black bolt z
That looks like a pretty standard pistol and the blams make you think its bullets.
for starters that guns form ww2.

it not todays standard pistol not even closes.


becuase first he capt, he not suposes to kill as a hero why would he run around with a gun loaded with bullets? second as capt I saw him shoot a bunch of crooks with it in the chest and then were KOed, but all lived. also when it drawn it never shown a bullet ever being shoot from it, most of the time it looks like lasers, tasers of some sort.

also it clearly not a normal gun becuase it would make little to no senses to run around with an out dated inaccurate gun.

It sure as hell looks like it shoots bullets.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/BulletCap1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/BulletCap2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/BulletCap3.jpg

And I highly doubt writers actually take into account the difference between a World War 2 pistol and a modern gun. At least I doubt Bendis does. Your reading way too much into this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It sure as hell looks like it shoots bullets.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/BulletCap1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/BulletCap2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/BulletCap3.jpg Ok those are so bullets.And as for the type of "outdated" gun that type of gun holds 20 bullets and can go full auto.Pretty good for a pistol...

I was mistaken. there goes my theory then.

thought it was some short of taser haft the time it was drawn in new avengers it looked like beams coming out.

also dont understand why capt would be running around with a gun nor why he be willing to shoot common thugs with it. Maybe I was hoping more then believing my theory.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ok those are so bullets.And as for the type of "outdated" gun that type of gun holds 20 bullets and can go full auto.Pretty good for a pistol...
can go full auto? there to my knowledge arnt any pistols during ww2 that could shoot fully automatic and any gun from that date would very very iffy combat wise compared to todays weapondry.

b/c he is bucky and not steve

Ares is major badass

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


And I highly doubt writers actually take into account the difference between a World War 2 pistol and a modern gun. At least I doubt Bendis does. Your reading way too much into this.
not really it seems to make no senses that bucky would walk around with a loaded gun from ww2, and willing to shoot common thugs with it while running around being captain america. that does not seem strange to you?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Ares is major badass

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why did you just post scans of a bunch of covers ares in?

also the first and only scan from a comic, is less then impressive given the fact black widow did the same thing the page before.

my bullets shoots guns

Originally posted by Battlehammer
can go full auto? there to my knowledge arnt any pistols during ww2 that could shoot fully automatic and any gun from that date would very very iffy combat wise compared to todays weapondry. Its called the Mauser C-96 pistol.Its a pistol that the nazis(particularly the Waffen SS that holds 20 bullets,is pretty dang accurate,and can go full auto.It has a range of 200 yards,Ammo type of 7.63x25 MM,and a muzzle velocity of 1575 ft per sec.Originally posted by Wild Shadow
b/c he is bucky and not steve

Ones caps rule is not anothers.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
b/c he is bucky and not steve
I know but it still makes no senses, he did it to honor steve and wish to keep the legacy alive, how does running around with a load pistol and shooting common thugs with it honor capt? wouldent that do the opposite?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not really it seems to make no senses that bucky would walk around with a loaded gun from ww2, and willing to shoot common thugs with it while running around being captain america. that does not seem strange to you?

Do you honestly think Bendis puts this much thought into this shit?

Bendis even highlights the fact that Bucky uses guns. I believe this was during Siege.

german ingenuity ftw WW2 era weapons can be just as effective as some modern weapons.. example of ww2 wpn is: ak47

the pistol i have to look into it but pretty sure it was the best of its time and can still hold its own today

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Its called the Mauser C-96 pistol.Its a pistol that the nazis(particularly the Waffen SS that holds 20 bullets,is pretty dang accurate,and can go full auto.It has a range of 200 yards,Ammo type of 7.63x25 MM,and a muzzle velocity of 1575 ft per sec.

Ones caps rule is not anothers.
nd it not that accurate compared with to days guns, also it semi automatic (which is pretty much the same thing now I think about it)



again he became capt to honor capt memory and even went off to attack punisher becuase punisher was not honoring capt memory running around trying to be a gun tooting capt........so that would make him a hypocrite......

he can honor cap by striving to be a hero and killing only when needed.. cap has killed no reason this cap would do no different

Why is Bucky wielding guns being addressed as if it were a point of contention?

Bucky uses guns. Those guns have bullets. He shoots people.

Bucky shot Ares, three times, point blank. It was completely ineffective.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you honestly think Bendis puts this much thought into this shit?

Bendis even highlights the fact that Bucky uses guns. I believe this was during Siege.
I would hope so though that may be wishful thinking.

pretty much he made bucky a hypocrite and has yet to explain how he can simply shoot common thugs with a gun like it no big deal, also whats even worse is how everyones elses including steve is completely cool with it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
nd it not that accurate compared with to days guns, also it semi automatic (which is pretty much the same thing now I think about it)



again he became capt to honor capt memory and even went off to attack punisher becuase punisher was not honoring capt memory running around trying to be a gun tooting capt........so that would make him a hypocrite...... Actually is it accurate even by todays standards.No it can go fully automatic not just semi.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Why is Bucky wielding guns being addressed as if it were a point of contention?

Bucky uses guns. Those guns have bullets. He shoots people.

Bucky shot Ares, three times, point blank. It was completely ineffective.
becuase I at first thought perhaps it was not bullets but taser or some such, but that was clearly wrong, it simply inconsistencylholes in bendis writing.


this threads pretty pointless I mean it pritty straight forward that ares wins this handily if not even time. It boarder line spite if not spite thread, so I honestly rather debate the gun thing.


yea and ares has been dropped bu machine gun and hand gun firer before, also been implied he wears armor inorder to protect him self form gun firer in not mistaken. Ares aint the most consistent character. though his piercing durability is also just as irrelevent to this thread as bucky firer arm.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Actually is it accurate even by todays standards.No it can go fully automatic not just semi.
look at my edit it the same thing.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
he can honor cap by striving to be a hero and killing only when needed.. cap has killed no reason this cap would do no different
capt kills during war time, thats very veyr differnet.

how does killing random thugs help to honor capt? capt tried to take punisher down for just that.

bucky tried to kill punisher for that.......

it completely hypocritical and bad writing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I would hope so though that may be wishful thinking.

pretty much he made bucky a hypocrite and has yet to explain how he can simply shoot common thugs with a gun like it no big deal, also whats even worse is how everyones elses including steve is completely cool with it.

Once again, it's Bendis.

He changes power levels, personalities, shit, even the identities of characters *cough* Ronin *cough* on the fly.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I would hope so though that may be wishful thinking.

pretty much he made bucky a hypocrite and has yet to explain how he can simply shoot common thugs with a gun like it no big deal, also whats even worse is how everyones elses including steve is completely cool with it. http://a.imagehost.org/view/0480/Captain_America_026-27

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Once again, it's Bendis.
true, I was giving him to much credit, thought he was better then this after his capt run.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0480/Captain_America_026-27
again that is not the same thing, and does not mean him going aorund shooting people is ok. also that happen right after steve death.......

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Once again, it's Bendis.

He changes power levels, personalities, shit, even the identities of characters *cough* Ronin *cough* on the fly.
wait how did he change the identity of ronin?


though I agree with the rest I simply gave him to much credit.

when he shot the thugs he made sure they were none life threatening injuries he did more then what is standard police procedure which is shoot to kill..

Originally posted by Battlehammer
becuase I at first thought perhaps it was not bullets but taser or some such, but that was clearly wrong, it simply inconsistencylholes in bendis writing.

this threads pretty pointless I mean it pritty straight forward that ares wins this handily if not even time. It boarder line spite if not spite thread, so I honestly rather debate the gun thing.

yea and ares has been dropped bu machine gun and hand gun firer before, also been implied he wears armor inorder to protect him self form gun firer in not mistaken. Ares aint the most consistent character. though his piercing durability is also just as irrelevent to this thread as bucky firer arm.

That happened once during his mini and that was due to him not being in combat for a very long time. The pain stunned him for a second.

Oeming wrote him as a more warrior based character. He was far from invulnerable, and it was will power/toughness/badassery that kept him going.

Currently his bullet proof. He can tank everything from very large missiles at point blank range to multiple grenades in his face unharmed.

I don't want him being nigh invulnerable personally. I liked Oeming's angle better.

It's why I dislike the current take on Wolverine. Tanking Nuclear Weapons? Seriously, that shit has gotten out of hand.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when he shot the thugs he made sure they were none life threatening injuries he did more then what is standard police procedure which is shoot to kill..
no he dident he just shot them in the chest. and police dont shoot to kill, nor are they trained to, actaul they get in a lot of shit if they kill someone with out being order too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

It's why I dislike the current take on Wolverine. Tanking Nuclear Weapons? Seriously, that shit has gotten out of hand.
dude that happen 6 years ago.............and he was KOed.......

umm... no. standard shooting procedure is to shoot center mass with the intend to kill. they are not allowed to upholster their weapon with the sole purpose to intimidate and must have strict reasons for doing so add that they cannot give warning shots or shoot to wound tells you what the shooting outcome is intended to be.

when bucky was in the park he was thinking to himself to wound them which is why each shot was carefully aimed.. shooting some in the shoulder area or knee cap and foot.. iirc

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no he dident he just shot them in the chest. and police dont shoot to kill, nor are they trained to, actaul they get in a lot of shit if they kill someone with out being order too.
My dad is a cop. They are trained to shoot to kill.

thank you very much.. i didnt feel like blowing my own horn or siting my life experience to correct battlehammer.. i am already frustrated with him and ppl who think they know over ppl who have the actual or similar experience of what they are talking about..

tantamount to being corrected in the proper grammar of english by a spanish speaking person..

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
My dad is a cop. They are trained to shoot to kill.
sorry I should have made that more clear they are train to kill, but they are not suposes to shoot to kill unless order to though they are allow to do whatever the must to save there life or some one esles

this is what I ment to say, but now that I think of it thats wrong, if a police offer pulls there gun and gets in a shoot off they are suposes to shoot to kill

Bucky's been known to use guns for a long time. Brubaker and Bendis have made it a point to emphasize this several times. And Ares has proven bullet-proof on other occasions.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
My dad is a cop. They are trained to shoot to kill. My daddy will kick your daddies @ss.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
My daddy will kick your daddies @ss. With a foot-shaped tazer.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
My daddy will kick your daddies @ss.
Doubt it. Very highly.

My dad could throw a javelin 70 meters when he was 18.

My dad will sell your dad drugs.

My dad will take your dads money.

Originally posted by Blanket
My dad will sell your dad drugs.

my dad is your moms pimp.

Originally posted by amnesia
my dad is your moms pimp. My dad would beat up both your dads

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
My dad would beat up both your dads


I'm ok with this.

Originally posted by amnesia
my dad is your moms pimp. Your dad is gay.

Originally posted by Blanket
Your dad is gay.


Your dad is lady gaga

Originally posted by amnesia
my dad is your moms pimp. My mom is your dads pimp.

Originally posted by amnesia
Your dad is lady gaga Since there's pictures of her pussy on the internet, I'm taking this to mean she owns me.

Originally posted by amnesia
I'm ok with this.

are not...

Originally posted by Blanket
Since there's pictures of her pussy on the internet, I'm taking this to mean she owns me.

It's a shoop, i can tell from some of the pixels.

Anyway... Ares wins 7/10 at least.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
and what is a while the past 30 yrs of consistent history from his intro?

fighting bricks taking 100+ punches regularly getting up and keep on fighting...

100+ commenting how he is able to hurt them and how or why and being attributed to adamantium back punches...

a brick like ares at 70 tons with no real fighting style to seperate him from hulk, herc, rough house shouldnt be able to beat logan in a h2h fight.. not when he have seen logan use his MA feats to ko such lvl type bricks in the past with superior durability..

the rules also state character's at their best and no pis,,, He's also been downed from less. He will take the hits from Hulk (but Hulk doesn't pound him nonstop to no effect like some people would have you believe). He's been ko'ed by Hulk and Thing, and by less also. Wolverine was never a really consistent character, everyone knows that. His durability adjusts to the plot's demands.

^ After the number of appearances he's had... it actually is consistent that sometimes he'll get three-shotted, and then tank a terrible beating in the next comic, and then get one-shotted the next. It just depends on how prepared Wolverine is, which correlates how flush the shot will connect. You get a single flush Savage Hulk shot and he's down for the count.

OMG, this thread again...

I don't think Wolverine could win this, tbh.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
wait how did he change the identity of ronin?

though I agree with the rest I simply gave him to much credit.

You really didn't notice?

Bendis was clearly setting up Ronin to be Daredevil. I don't remember the clues, but it was so damn obvious (I recall Ronin doing something that only someone with Daredevil's power set or something similar could accomplish.) that I don't see how Bendis could think he was fooling anyone.

When he finally realized that everyone had guessed Ronin was intended to be Daredevil, he picked some random character no one could think of such as Echo just so he could go "HA! I fooled ALL of you!!!"

It was pretty damn funny. I was laughing my ass off when I read the reveal.

Bendis, Bendis, Bendis....

^ Confirmed via this article:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/06/12/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-159/

Also, apparently Thanoscopter is more canon than anybody knew:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/06/14/i-lova-ya-but-youre-strange-2/

Haha, Bendis is such a schmuck. It was so damn obvious. More proof that he makes shit up on the fly in comics and bullshits in interviews.

Anyone remember when he claimed he never had Doctor Strange say there was no such thing as Chaos Magic when he clearly did?

Why can't Bendis go over to DC and Morrison over to Marvel? Imagine a Morrison written Thor.

Lol at Thanoscopter.

why does he still have a job? what is it with modern day america and its standards?

i want to see a leob written apocolypse

in all his magnificent intended powerful glory ?

'cause loeb may turn around and get him trashed by either arch angel or wolverine solo

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ After the number of appearances he's had... it actually is consistent that sometimes he'll get three-shotted, and then tank a terrible beating in the next comic, and then get one-shotted the next. It just depends on how prepared Wolverine is, which correlates how flush the shot will connect. You get a single flush Savage Hulk shot and he's down for the count. I could understand that to a degree, but durability is still passive for the most part. Especially when he is lunging at the character (knowing of the attack). Unlike when Namor knocked him out. I guess it is consistent inconsistency.

Either way, I guess it annoys me when some make it seem like he can't be hurt by anybody less than Hulk. (not pointing any fingers, just happened in the past so often).