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Thor.

Team.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Team. After Magneto is decapitated, What is Apoc going to do?

Either of them can give Thor trouble. Mags has owned him at least one time. Apocalypse is even more powerful. Thor by himself IMO can get a 6-7/10 against either individually, but together? He doesn't stand a chance. Team 10/10.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
After Magneto is decapitated, What is Apoc going to do?

They're fighting in character. Thor isn't decapitating Magneto here. Magneto can also control Thor's hammer to some extent.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Either of them can give Thor trouble. Mags has owned him at least one time. Apocalypse is even more powerful. Thor by himself IMO can get a 6-7/10 against either individually, but together? He doesn't stand a chance. Team 10/10. Not really. Magneto can only give Thor trouble with CIS and PIS. Thor when operating at full capacity would probably just throw his hammer at Mag's head at 3 times light speed before Mags could react. Apoc maybe can react that fast, I'm not sure I've seen him face anything that fast. He would be KO'd if he couldn't.

Team on a normal day. Thor would have to get serious etc.

Of course knowing Apocalypse...

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Either of them can give Thor trouble. Mags has owned him at least one time. Apocalypse is even more powerful. Thor by himself IMO can get a 6-7/10 against either individually, but together? He doesn't stand a chance. Team 10/10.

Owned him? Issue number please.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team on a normal day. Thor would have to get serious etc.

Of course knowing Apocalypse...



Owned him? Issue number please.

When Magneto controlled Thor' hammer and sent it back at him.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
When Magneto controlled Thor' hammer and sent it back at him.

Magneto had a burst of anger due to the Avenger's comments or something similar and he sent Mjolnir and all the other metal items around him flying. Not exactly an owning as you described it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Magneto had a burst of anger due to the Avenger's comments or something similar and he sent Mjolnir and all the other metal items around him flying. Not exactly an owning as you described it.

it does show that, to some extent, he can control the metal in Thor's hammer

Show what? Magneto owning Thor (I don't recall that happening at all.) or are you confirming what I said?

Apparently so. Either way, I highly doubt Magnus can do anything to Mjolnir if Thor is actively trying to control it.

Team

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Not really. Magneto can only give Thor trouble with CIS and PIS. Thor when operating at full capacity would probably just throw his hammer at Mag's head at 3 times light speed before Mags could react. Apoc maybe can react that fast, I'm not sure I've seen him face anything that fast. He would be KO'd if he couldn't.

Thor can only throw the hammer at light speed after spending much time whirling it. This is fact.

Mags has shown light speed reflexes when it comes to things he can control.

Mags can control the hammer. This is fact.

Mags has controlled Mjolnir time and time again since the first time he met Thor. Thor can counter by absorbing energy and whatnot if he is holding it ofc, but he is often caught unaware by such tactics.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2247/journeyintomystery10910lw1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg

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Yea, Magneto has always been able to control Mjolnir to some extent. You better believe that's happening in some manner here. Of course, I firmly believe if Thor wills it, Magneto ain't doing shit to Mjolnir.

He isn't over powering it's enchantment.

Thor 7/10.

Mjolnir can also be used to absorb & control magnetism, and in the past Thor has used it to absorb Magneto's shields and send him running.

But with Magneto bothering him while he's fighting Apoc it's going to be a tough fight, and Thor will need to step it up more than he usually does and really start cutting loose if he wants to win.

I still say team wins if Apocalypse is semi competent but you better believe it would be difficult.

The problem with Thor is he fluctuates. He cuts loose, he jumps in terms of formidable ability etc. He could annihilate this team.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Show what? Magneto owning Thor (I don't recall that happening at all.) or are you confirming what I said?

Apparently so. Either way, I highly doubt Magnus can do anything to Mjolnir if Thor is actively trying to control it.

relax buddy i was just sayin that in that instance mags was able to manipulate the metal in the hammer

Okay.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I still say team wins if Apocalypse is semi competent but you better believe it would be difficult.

The problem with Thor is he fluctuates. He cuts loose, he jumps in terms of formidable ability etc. He could annihilate this team. magneto alone could very well take out thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
magneto alone could very well take out thor

How pray tell?

Mjolnir is practically tailor made to take out characters like Magneto by the way.

Originally posted by Starscream M
magneto alone could very well take out thor

You mean like this?

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journey_in_to_mystery109-15.jpg

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You mean like this?
didn't magneto do far better in a later encounter?

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't magneto do far better in a later encounter?

Scans?

Magneto could take Thor alone but only a 3/10 IMO.
The team can take at least a 6/10 depending on Thor's mentality at the moment

Team.Good powerset to take down thor.

Seriously any of those two would give Thor a good fight one on one. Teams wins in an orderly fashion.

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't magneto do far better in a later encounter?

The other two scenes where they've done anything similar to battle was the scene posted where Magneto throws Thor and the other Avengers back in a burst of rage, and when he creates a force field that stops a blow from Thor and She-Hulk. That's all I recall.

Hardly evidence that a battle between the two would be any different than their original one.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Scans?
You and I both know Brucey isn't supplying shit, even though it's readily available.

Although you gave me a good idea of how to shut Brucey up.

Thor takes on Apocalypse in the next Avengers issue.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685243
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God, I want Thor to rape him. Take that as you will.

Hope that's 616 centered Apoc.

Should be interesting.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor takes on Apocalypse in the next Avengers issue.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685243
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685245
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685285
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685324
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685326

God, I want Thor to rape him. Take that as you will.

I have a very bad feeling about this. Turns out that Apoc couldn't even defeat Sinister recently.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I have a very bad feeling about this. Turns out that Apoc couldn't even defeat Sinister recently.
Non canon?

I hope Thor doesn't job.

What worries me is that Bendis rarely ever has a middle ground with high powered characters.

Either they do all the work or are extremely useless as seen with Sentry and Doctor Strange. He found some sort of balance with Strange. Of course he had reduced Strange to a B level Mage who could only cast illusions. To be fair, he had Strange on the New Avengers and they operated on a street level scale.

I'm a bit optimistic as this team has some mid tier characters like Iron Man and the Protector (What an abysmal name.). That means bigger threats, and more chances to show off power.

It's definitely better for villains when Bendis works with a more high powered team. When he has them job, at least it doesn't look as bad. When he has lower powered teams, shit like Nefaria happens. It just doesn't seem right.

Originally posted by Blanket
Non canon?

No, it was canon.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
No, it was canon. From X-Factor Forever?

Yes.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6041/xff04022.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9321/xff04023.jpg

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Yes.
So the scans from the non-canon alternate universe is canon?

Explain.

Originally posted by Blanket
So the scans from the non-canon alternate universe is canon?

Explain.

Why do you think it is non-canon in the first place? Was it said that it happens in an alt-reality by the writers? Or do you assume so, because the story picks up right after the Louise Simonson' last regular appearance/story on X-Factor?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor takes on Apocalypse in the next Avengers issue.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685243
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685245
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685285
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685324
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685326

God, I want Thor to rape him. Take that as you will.

my God the art makes me wanna die

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Why do you think it is non-canon in the first place? Was it said that it happens in an alt-reality by the writers? Or do you assume so, because the story picks up right after the Louise Simonson' last regular appearance/story on X-Factor? Yes to all.

Anyway, may have been alternate universe Apoc from wherever, but Thor was highly ineffective against him to say the least...

thor getting serious can manage, otherwise, no

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor takes on Apocalypse in the next Avengers issue.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685243
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685245
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685285
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685324
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1277685326

God, I want Thor to rape him. Take that as you will.

that's basically the extent of their fight, thor gets wrapped up by one of his horsemen with long arms and that's that.

apocalypse gets teleported due to the time ripple effect and tony tries to analyze it.

Team

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Yes.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6041/xff04022.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9321/xff04023.jpg What is this?

Originally posted by 753
What is this?

An alternate background for Poccy. Non 616

I really believe that the team would wear Thor's a$$ out, and hook him up as the new War.

Originally posted by Mshinu
An alternate background for Poccy. Non 616 I meant the name and number of the comic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The other two scenes where they've done anything similar to battle was the scene posted where Magneto throws Thor and the other Avengers back in a burst of rage, and when he creates a force field that stops a blow from Thor and She-Hulk. That's all I recall.

Hardly evidence that a battle between the two would be any different than their original one. Joseph BFRed Thor through the hammer during the ownslaught saga too IIRC.

Given Apoc's (albeit futuristic version) rather easy handling of Thor in the latest Avengers issue, I'd say this fight is pretty one-sided.

Apoc/Mags for the win.

^Scans or issue number please.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's basically the extent of their fight, thor gets wrapped up by one of his horsemen with long arms and that's that.

apocalypse gets teleported due to the time ripple effect and tony tries to analyze it.

I know but that thanks anyways. F*cking Bendis. Why can't he just write a good fight? That's where Romita shines best.

thor would have a hard time penetrating magneto's shields

Originally posted by 753
I meant the name and number of the comic.

It`s from X-Factor forever. Apocalypse`s third or fourth journal.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor would have a hard time penetrating magneto's shields

If he chooses to, penetrating his force field shouldn't be really difficult.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir19.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir20.jpg

That really would be a good trick to utilize.

Unfortunately he fights like a brick most of the time and I highly doubt he'd use that tactic. I just like showing off Mjolnir's capabilities.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Seriously any of those two would give Thor a good fight one on one. Teams wins in an orderly fashion.

i have to disagree, i think thor defeats mags 10 out of 10, and apoc get a few wins thinking thor 8/10, but as a team they beat him around 7 out of 10.

magneto shoves apocs head up thors ass

theres no metal in thors hammer.
uru is a stone.
fail on the writers part

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Either of them can give Thor trouble. Mags has owned him at least one time. Apocalypse is even more powerful. Thor by himself IMO can get a 6-7/10 against either individually, but together? He doesn't stand a chance. Team 10/10. You underestimate Thor. Magneto would be one shotted by Thor. One lightning charged super hammer throw and he is out. Then Thor would deal with apacolypse which would be longer and give Thor trouble but a bloodied Thor comes out victorious.

This guy is clearly very intelligent and knows his stuff.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You underestimate Thor. Magneto would be one shotted by Thor. One lightning charged super hammer throw and he is out. Then Thor would deal with apacolypse which would be longer and give Thor trouble but a bloodied Thor comes out victorious.

How many times has Thor one-shotted Magneto exactly?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
How many times has Thor one-shotted Magneto exactly? I didnt say he has i said he very well could. Its not like it would be hard to believe.

So, out of all the times they have fought, Magneto has never been one shotted by Thor, yet we are supposed to believe that he will be one shotted here? Nah, not buying it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You underestimate Thor. Magneto would be one shotted by Thor. One lightning charged super hammer throw and he is out. Then Thor would deal with apacolypse which would be longer and give Thor trouble but a bloodied Thor comes out victorious. magneto can absorb electricity

Magneto needs to keep out of CQC with Thor. However that is rather difficult when you consider how fast Mjolnir pulls Thor along behind him. He could avoid the lightning and such by putting up a big lightning rod negating Thor's long range stuff.

Magneto's biggest problem comes from the need for the environment to be just right. He would probably need to get something on the level of adamantium or vibranium to really hurt Thor and keep him down but because this is Marvel NY there is probably some amount of it somewhere.

I'd say the fight is a 6/10 in Magneto's favor just because he can probably keep out of range long enough to mount enough of an offensive that Thor wouldn't have the time to get close enough to crush his skull. However if Thor ever gets within striking distance I'm calling a Magneto KO because he really doesn't have the close combat ability nor the durability to stand up to Thor in a physical fight.

Originally posted by chomperx9
magneto can absorb electricity

Oh and as a side note I'm not sure whether or not Magneto could absorb Thor's lightning because it has magical properties rather than the EM field of the earth.

Originally posted by Lord S
Given Apoc's (albeit futuristic version) rather easy handling of Thor in the latest Avengers issue, I'd say this fight is pretty one-sided.


Yup. Not too much of a fight between them, but at least Apoc shook off Thor`s best hammer charge with no ill effects like he should. Poccy is durable enough to ignore pretty much any physical attack and with his shields, morphing and regeneration is nigh impossible to put down that way.

Both Apoc and Mags would give Thor a hell of a fight one on one. Don`t forget that Mags have received upgrades since their other fights too (we are not talking current 1/3 powered Mags I persume)
Team whups him, he needs a plot device to pull wins here.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So, out of all the times they have fought, Magneto has never been one shotted by Thor, yet we are supposed to believe that he will be one shotted here? Nah, not buying it. good for him. lets see him absorb some a lightning bolt 10 times hotter than the surface of the sun. which is traveling 186,000 miles/sec. And thats just one average bolt. Thor is the god of thunder. Magneto would get fried.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So, out of all the times they have fought, Magneto has never been one shotted by Thor, yet we are supposed to believe that he will be one shotted here? Nah, not buying it. okay dont believe it. Dont believe that the god of thunder with a planet shattering, weather controlling, magical hammer can one shot a genetic mutation. Thor has hit so hard his hammer dazed juggernaut even with his full shield on and he was being amped by other magical energies. He has one shotted silver surfer and caused extreme pain to galactus. Magneto cannot hold up to a blow where Thor is actually trying to hurt him. The fact that he is fighting to opponents would also make him want to even the odds quicker.

Originally posted by chomperx9
magneto can absorb electricity good for him. lets see him absorb some a lightning bolt 10 times hotter than the surface of the sun. which is traveling 186,000 miles/sec. And thats just one average bolt. Thor is the god of thunder. Magneto would get fried.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
theres no metal in thors hammer.
uru is a stone.
fail on the writers part

Uru has metallic Ores within it... just saying.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So, out of all the times they have fought, Magneto has never been one shotted by Thor, yet we are supposed to believe that he will be one shotted here? Nah, not buying it. sorry one of my responses was meant for someone else. i clicked on the wron button.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So, out of all the times they have fought, Magneto has never been one shotted by Thor, yet we are supposed to believe that he will be one shotted here? Nah, not buying it.

He wouldn't be oneshotted by Thor, and to add to this, Thor would have to hold out against Apocalyse too! Not happening. These are two major hitters. One can hold Thor in an steel prison reinforced by magnetic force, and the other can curb his butt with future tech. Thor would lose.

Team Wins.

Depends on how bad Thor wants to win...

Against normal Thor; the Thor that pulls his punches...the Thor that just doesnt use his full arsenal of powers...that Thor loses here more often than not.

Against a bloodlusted Thor or a Thor that feels he has to defeat these guys at any cost, he literally kills Magneto (Thor can accomplish this several different ways and Magneto has no defense against any of them) and beats Apoc unconscious (and can kill him too if he is hell bent on doing so)...

Please not the holding back argument. I expect it from supes and spidey fanboys but not Thor. A serious Thor does not get new powers any more than Magneto or Apocalypse does.

These guys have formidable defenses, he is not "literally killing" and beating them unconcious easily, by a long shot. In fact, "mere" physical force is probably the worst way to go against these guys. What did Thor`s hammer charge into Apoc do the last time? Oh, that`s right. Nothing!

Originally posted by Mshinu
Please not the holding back argument. I expect it from supes and spidey fanboys but not Thor. A serious Thor does not get new powers any more than Magneto or Apocalypse does.

These guys have formidable defenses, he is not "literally killing" and beating them unconcious easily, by a long shot. In fact, "mere" physical force is probably the worst way to go against these guys. What did Thor`s hammer charge into Apoc do the last time? Oh, that`s right. Nothing!

The holding back argument is very valid as pertains to Thor because the fact of the matter is Thor doesnt go around trying to kill every opponent he engages...nor does he let lose with everything he's got against most opponents...

As for killing Magneto, you have got to be dreaming if he think Thor cant kill him with attacks that'll bypass Magneto's defenses...

Does Magneto have defenses against spiritual attack? Nope...soul suck and Magneto is dead...permanently.

Do you really think Magneto's force field will keep out a God Blast? Nope...it'll go straight through that force field and kill him...period.

If Thor uses his hammer to absorb Magneto's magnetism and then unleases the anti-force on Magneto (think about what he did to the Thanos clone) what do you think will happen!? Will Magneto live? Hell no...he dies...period.

As for Apoc, I truly believe a prolonged physical beating will be enough to KO him...and from there he could kill him at any time...

Originally posted by Mshinu
Please not the holding back argument. I expect it from supes and spidey fanboys but not Thor. A serious Thor does not get new powers any more than Magneto or Apocalypse does.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The holding back argument is very valid as pertains to Thor because the fact of the matter is Thor doesnt go around trying to kill every opponent he engages...nor does he let lose with everything he's got against most opponents...

As for killing Magneto, you have got to be dreaming if he think Thor cant kill him with attacks that'll bypass Magneto's defenses...

Does Magneto have defenses against spiritual attack? Nope...soul suck and Magneto is dead...permanently.

Do you really think Magneto's force field will keep out a God Blast? Nope...it'll go straight through that force field and kill him...period.

If Thor uses his hammer to absorb Magneto's magnetism and then unleases the anti-force on Magneto (think about what he did to the Thanos clone) what do you think will happen!? Will Magneto live? Hell no...he dies...period.

As for Apoc, I truly believe a prolonged physical beating will be enough to KO him...and from there he could kill him at any time...

Those uber-attacks requires some concentration, Mags can easily go invisible and create a holographic double, teleport trough a wormhole, or rip the hammer away. Even toss him around like a ragdoll like he has done to both Thor and Herc in the past. He certainly has way to deal with Odinsson and his tricks.

A prolonged beating on Apoc, a teleporter? Even if that went down, Poccy`s durability/malleability and shielding would let him take far less damage than he would deal out himself.

Together they whup his ass, only by getting careless would they loose (oh I think I will monologue for a while).

Originally posted by Damborgson
okay dont believe it. Dont believe that the god of thunder with a planet shattering, weather controlling, magical hammer can one shot a genetic mutation. Thor has hit so hard his hammer dazed juggernaut even with his full shield on and he was being amped by other magical energies. He has one shotted silver surfer and caused extreme pain to galactus. Magneto cannot hold up to a blow where Thor is actually trying to hurt him. The fact that he is fighting to opponents would also make him want to even the odds quicker. The fact that thor is a god, as in an alien from another dimension, and magneto is a mutant native of earth means nothing. There are mutants who could solo thor's entire bloodline with a single thought. lol at the galactus reference and yes, magneto would absorb his ligthning just fine, he'd be better off resorting to other types of attacks such as soulsuck.

Regardless, CIS is on by default and thor loses here.

Originally posted by Stoic
Uru has metallic Ores within it... just saying. where does it stated that uru has metallic Oreos in it?

Originally posted by Stoic
He wouldn't be oneshotted by Thor, and to add to this, Thor would have to hold out against Apocalyse too! Not happening. These are two major hitters. One can hold Thor in an steel prison reinforced by magnetic force, and the other can curb his butt with future tech. Thor would lose. Thor has broken the through the magnetic pull of neutron star. He can break magnetos effect. He one shotted grog the god slayer. He can take magneto. Apocalypse would be a problem but not enough for Thor to lose.

facepalm Mshinu.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
where does it stated that uru has metallic Oreos in it? It might not be stated that way directly, but magnetism has been shown to work on Mjolnir many times.

Anyone know who is the most powerful telepath Thor has resisted? I recall reading somewhere that Moondragon mindraped him once.

That depends on what you mean by mind rape. Moondragon has been able to influence and control Thor to an extent -he ended up resisting it- but I don't think she has outright mind raped him.

One thing I'm pretty certain of is this, Apocalypse ain't beating Thor through telepathy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That depends on what you mean by mind rape. Moondragon has been able to influence and control Thor to an extent -he ended up resisting it- but I don't think she has outright mind raped him.

One thing I'm pretty certain of is this, Apocalypse ain't beating Thor through telepathy.

So, who is the most powerful telepath that Thor was resisted?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So, who is the most powerful telepath that Thor was resisted?

Probably Moondragon with the Mind Gem. Thor had some amazing feats of will power in Blood and Thunder. He also outperformed in terms of mental defenses when the Stranger attacked the Avengers with a mind storm or something similar.

What stops Magneto from driving shards of metal through Thor's body if we're going to go with a no holds barred battle?

I was also under the impression that Thor had to invoke the soul suck which takes precious time, that he would not have if dealing with Magneto and Apocalypse.

What is this DBZ? Well if that's the case neither of these guys would just stand idly by and say " Uhm gorsh, I guess we should stand here and, uhm let Thor cast our souls into oblivion".

Originally posted by Stoic
What stops Magneto from driving shards of metal through Thor's body if we're going to go with a no holds barred battle?

You mean besides Thor's durability and defenses? Please don't start a no holds barred battle. Thor would destroy this team in such a state of mind. CBR style debating will not favor your side.

Originally posted by Stoic
I was also under the impression that Thor had to invoke the soul suck which takes precious time, that he would not have if dealing with Magneto and Apocalypse.

What is this DBZ? Well if that's the case neither of these guys would just stand idly by and say " Uhm gorsh, I guess we should stand here and, uhm let Thor cast our souls into oblivion".

Thor zaps his opponent. He draws out their soul. That's the extent of it. It would pretty damn easy to get himself all the time he wants. A simple vortex to protect himself or make him intangible/invisible along with intended target.

CBR style debating is silly like that.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
where does it stated that uru has metallic Oreos in it?

Uru Ore.: Just the word ore is indicative that it has mettalic properties. It was forged, therefore it had to be melted down. When was the last time that you ever heard a weapon smith forging dirt into a weapon with no mettalic properties? It wouldn't be possible because, there would be no cohesive properties without an alloy to bind the molecules together. In other words Mjolnir would fall apart.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean besides Thor's durability and defenses? Please don't start a no holds barred battle. Thor would destroy this team in such a state of mind. CBR style debating will not favor your side.



Thor zaps his opponent. He draws out their soul. That's the extent of it. It would pretty damn easy to get himself all the time he wants. A simple vortex to protect himself or make him intangible/invisible along with intended target.

CBR style debating is silly like that.

I'm not a member of CBR.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not a member of CBR.

Okay.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean besides Thor's durability and defenses? Please don't start a no holds barred battle. Thor would destroy this team in such a state of mind. CBR style debating will not favor your side.



Thor zaps his opponent. He draws out their soul. That's the extent of it. It would pretty damn easy to get himself all the time he wants. A simple vortex to protect himself or make him intangible/invisible along with intended target.

CBR style debating is silly like that.

Are you saying that Thor's body can not be punctured? Then why did the Crusader drive a sword through him to the hilt? Why doesn't he just stand there and allow Bloodaxe to swing his axe hitting him directly?

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you saying that Thor's body can not be punctured? Then why did the Crusader drive a sword through him to the hilt? Why doesn't he just stand there and allow Bloodaxe to swing his axe hitting him directly?

When did I say that? Thor's body is resistant to being pierced. To the point I highly doubt Magneto tossing metal at him would do anything.

In the Crusader fight Thor's powers were fluctuating due to the fact that the sudden appearances of worshipers had caused him doubt himself. It was a battle of faith and Thor's lack of faith caused him to lose the first encounter. There was a reason why everybody was shocked that Thor was bleeding -including Thor himself who blamed it on some unknown wizardry- and even his strength seemed to be failing him.

This is actually the scene that most suggests Thor has a dynamic power level regulated by his mind.

So you want examples of the Blood axe eh?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did I say that? Thor's body is resistant to being pierced. To the point I highly doubt Magneto tossing metal at him would do anything.

In the Crusader fight Thor's powers were fluctuating due to the fact that the sudden appearances of worshipers had caused him doubt himself. It was a battle of faith and Thor's lack of faith caused him to lose the first encounter. There was a reason why everybody was shocked that Thor was bleeding -including Thor himself who blamed it on some unknown wizardry- and even his strength seemed to be failing him.

This is actually the scene that most suggests Thor has a dynamic power level regulated by his mind.

So you want examples of the Blood axe eh?


Hold on a second, are you saying that if Thor stood in one spot and allowed Bloodaxe to come down with his axe on Thor's head that Thor would sustain no damage? I don't think so. Thor would die.

Magneto has held up an entire asteroid with his powers, and you don't believe that he would be able to pierce Thor's flesh? Come on now! Plus he would have the aid of Apocalypse! Thor is a badass but not that badass.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hold on a second, are you saying that if Thor stood in one spot and allowed Bloodaxe to come down with his axe on Thor's head that Thor would sustain no damage? I don't think so. Thor would die.

Magneto has held up an entire asteroid with his powers, and you don't believe that he would be able to pierce Thor's flesh? Come on now! Plus he would have the aid of Apocalypse! Thor is a badass but not that badass.

Did you not see the scans I posted? What happened in those scans? Did Thor die?

Not impressed. Could he? Possibly. Will he? I doubt it. Will it do anything significant? I highly doubt it.

Once again, not impressed. A going all out Thor has taken a line up and faced foes more impressive than this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did you not see the scans I posted? What happened in those scans? Did Thor die?

Not impressed. Could he? Possibly. Will he? I doubt it. Will it do anything significant? I highly doubt it.

Once again, not impressed. A going all out Thor has taken a line up and faced foes more impressive than this.

I saw the scans, and also saw that Bloodaxe did not use his axe, but instead used his fists to punish Masterson Thor.

Thor has on many occasions been lacerated, by objects of lesser damage yield than what Magneto can muster. What about Apocalypse's presence on the battlefield?

I'm not going to debate power for power with you or claim that either of these guys are stronger than Thor. What I will stress however is that this team has the powerset to not only defeat Thor, but to also bring him under thrall.

Power and strength isn't everything, after all steel cuts water, but in the end it is the water that destroys the steel, young grasshopper.

Originally posted by Stoic
I saw the scans, and also saw that Bloodaxe did not use his axe, but instead used his fists to punish Masterson Thor.

Thor has on many occasions been lacerated, by objects of lesser damage yield than what Magneto can muster. What about Apocalypse's presence on the battlefield?

I'm not going to debate power for power with you or claim that either of these guys are stronger than Thor. What I will stress however is that this team has the powerset to not only defeat Thor, but to also bring him under thrall.

Power and strength isn't everything, after all steel cuts water, but in the end it is the water that destroys the steel, young grasshopper.

Then I think you should look over those scans one more time. Do it carefully. If you still don't get it, maybe I'll be kind enough to explain what's actually on the page right infront of you.

Many occasions eh? How about you name a few instances? What about it?

That's smart of you. What I will stress is that Thor's power set is more than sufficient to defeat these two and put them under his thrall. These two aren't beating Thor if he gets serious and goes all out. However they should be capable of beating a regular Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then I think you should look over those scans one more time. Do it carefully. If you still don't get it, maybe I'll be kind enough to explain what's actually on the page right infront of you.

Many occasions eh? How about you name a few instances? What about it?

That's smart of you. What I will stress is that Thor's power set is more than sufficient to defeat these two and put them under his thrall. These two aren't beating Thor if he gets serious and goes all out. However they should be capable of beating a regular Thor.




Apocalypse has neural nodes that can penetrate Thor's nervous system, and make him his pet. Magneto has the power to subdue Thor for the time needed for Apocalypse to use his more exotic powers. Thor would neither have the time or speed to stop both of their assaults. This is why they would win a majority if we are going by the character of all opponents involved in this battle.

Does Thor have a greater strength feat than this: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength31327.jpg?

Yes.

Originally posted by Stoic
Apocalypse has neural nodes that can penetrate Thor's nervous system, and make him his pet. Magneto has the power to subdue Thor for the time needed for Apocalypse to use his more exotic powers. Thor would neither have the time or speed to stop both of their assaults. This is why they would win a majority if we are going by the character of all opponents involved in this battle.

So I take it you've actually taken the time to look over the scans carefully and understood them? Shocking.

Please post scans of his neutral nodes penetrating someone of Thor's level.

Magneto can only subdue Thor if Thor allows him to. The team can only defeat Thor if he allows them to. If Thor wants to win, he will. Unfortunately he limits himself to a great extent. It's as simple as that.

Oh, so we're going by their actual character and not what their capable of now are we? Because if we go by the latter, they won't even be able to harm a hair on Thor's head or touch him based on Mjolnir's defensive capabilities.

Like I said, the team wins. On average. At least I hope they can. I'm assuming this isn't current depowered Magneto.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes.



So I take it you've actually taken the time to look over the scans carefully and understood them? Shocking.

Please post scans of his neutral nodes penetrating someone of Thor's level.

Magneto can only subdue Thor if Thor allows him to. The team can only defeat Thor if he allows them to. If Thor wants to win, he will. Unfortunately he limits himself to a great extent. It's as simple as that.

Oh, so we're going by their actual character and not what their capable of now are we? Because if we go by the latter, they won't even be able to harm a hair on Thor's head or touch him based on Mjolnir's defensive capabilities.

Like I said, the team wins. On average. At least I hope they can. I'm assuming this isn't current depowered Magneto.

Can you post it Rage.Of.Olympus?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Can you post it Rage.Of.Olympus?



I'm assuming your looking for raw strength feats on a large scale. I think scenes where he stalemates Kurse or breaks through Celestial armor when the Odin Destroyer could not are more impressive than the Serpent feat personally.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Scans or issue number please. Avengers #3.

Where in that particular issue did you see Apocalypse easily handling Thor? Granted, we might have different definitions.

Magneto separates Thor from his hammer, traps it in a forcefield, prevents Thor from getting to that force-field, and has Apocalypse ass-rape him, Deliverance style.

Magneto's force field isnt overpowering the enchantment on Mjolnir that causes it to always return to Thors hand; if a f**king Elder God (Set to be exact) couldnt keep Mjolnir from returning to Thors hand, then no way in hell is Magneto going to do it...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where in that particular issue did you see Apocalypse easily handling Thor? Granted, we might have different definitions. He sent Thor flying to the building across the street, and was unaffected by anything Thor did to him; including a direct two-handed assault using Mjolnir.

In addition, he talked down to and showed no fear against the God of Thunder.

Originally posted by Lord S
He sent Thor flying to the building across the street, and was unaffected by anything Thor did to him; including a direct two-handed assault using Mjolnir.

In addition, he talked down to and showed no fear against the God of Thunder.

How do you know it was Apocalypse and said attack did not damage Thor at all? How do you know how that single blast affected him?

That wasn't an assault. Thor flew out of the building and kept on flying until he struck Apocalypse. He didn't take it with a smile on his face either.

Here's their entire interaction:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/6c851b89561318
http://www.imagebam.com/image/6ba76d89561328
http://www.imagebam.com/image/d939ab89561354
http://www.imagebam.com/image/effecb89561666
http://www.imagebam.com/image/fd871689561684
Thanks to Guy.

That was not Apocalypse easily handling Thor. I just noticed that Apocalypse seems to be protected by some type of energy. And don't forget about the Horseman assisting him.

So what? That's a laughably silly argument. If Thor talks down and shows no fear to Celestials, where does that place him in the hierarchy of power using your logic?

Team easily.Perfect powerset to take down thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How do you know it was Apocalypse and said attack did not damage Thor at all? How do you know how that single blast affected him?

That wasn't an assault. Thor flew out of the building and kept on flying until he struck Apocalypse. He didn't take it with a smile on his face either.

Here's their entire interaction:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/6c851b89561318
http://www.imagebam.com/image/6ba76d89561328
http://www.imagebam.com/image/d939ab89561354
http://www.imagebam.com/image/effecb89561666
http://www.imagebam.com/image/fd871689561684
Thanks to Guy.

That was not Apocalypse easily handling Thor. I just noticed that Apocalypse seems to be protected by some type of energy. And don't forget about the Horseman assisting him.

So what? That's a laughably silly argument. If Thor talks down and shows no fear to Celestials, where does that place him in the hierarchy of power using your logic? Nice scans...though you conveniently forgot to post the first couple of pages of that issue...where Thor was sent flying and crashing into the building across the street.

Unless Thor decided to go for a little stroll while Avengers HQ was under attack, it's safe to say he was thrown out with authority. It's also safe to say that it was Apocalypse that threw him out.

Thor's two-handed flying assault did nothing but push Apocalypse back a few inches. Nothing else he did had any affect on Apoc.

Not saying there was a clear-cut winner, but Apoc had an easier time against Thor than Thor did against Apoc.

Originally posted by Lord S
Nice scans...though you conveniently forgot to post the first couple of pages of that issue...where Thor was sent flying and crashing into the building across the street.

Unless Thor decided to go for a little stroll while Avengers HQ was under attack, it's safe to say he was thrown out with authority. It's also safe to say that it was Apocalypse that threw him out.

Thor's two-handed flying assault did nothing but push Apocalypse back a few inches. Nothing else he did had any affect on Apoc.

Not saying there was a clear-cut winner, but Apoc had an easier time against Thor than Thor did against Apoc.

I didn't conveniently forget anything. There:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/25e7d989561299
Thanks to Guy.

I didn't post the above scan as it has absolutely no relevance. For all we know, Apocalypse and one of his horseman sent Thor flying with a surprise attack (Which actually seems likely if you consider the last two pages of the previous issue had them teleporting into the presence of surprised Avengers.)

How do you know? You didn't see his reaction afterwards. He certainly didn't take that attack with a smile. This is typical Bendis fight choreography. A bunch of random brawls happening mostly off panel. He jewed us out on another potentially great match up.

I don't see how you can actually come to that conclusion. The two spent the time mostly off panel.

Jewed them out?Whats that supposed to mean?

"Jewed us out". What do you think that's supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure Bendis is Jewish. I recall him making light of the fact that he was Jewish and should be the last person writing a Nazi worshiped God who worked with Hitler once or something similar.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"Jewed us out". What do you think that's supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure Bendis is Jewish. I recall him making light of the fact that he was Jewish and should be the last person writing a Nazi worshiped God who worked with Hitler once or something similar. confused

srug

That's what I recall reading on another board and/or interview.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"Jewed us out". What do you think that's supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure Bendis is Jewish. I recall him making light of the fact that he was Jewish and should be the last person writing a Nazi worshiped God who worked with Hitler once or something similar. what the **** are you even talking about?

Read the last 4 posts. I was taking a knock at Bendis. BB called me out on it. I gave my reasoning. I didn't mean to get off topic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't conveniently forget anything. There:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/25e7d989561299
Thanks to Guy.

I didn't post the above scan as it has absolutely no relevance. For all we know, Apocalypse and one of his horseman sent Thor flying with a surprise attack (Which actually seems likely if you consider the last two pages of the previous issue had them teleporting into the presence of surprised Avengers.) Ok you're reaching there. Not everything has to be thoroughly explained to draw a conclusion. Occam's Razor. Obviously Apoc was the biggest baddie of the group, and Thor the biggest hero. Who do you think Thor was gunning for when he flew back into Avengers tower? It's obvious Apocalypse threw him out.

He certainly didn't seem fazed by it, either.

"Jewed" us out? Interesting choice of words.

I come to the conclusion because nothing Thor did to Apocalypse had any effect on him whatsoever.

You're free to believe whatever you want, of course.

Originally posted by Lord S
Ok you're reaching there. Not everything has to be thoroughly explained to draw a conclusion. Occam's Razor. Obviously Apoc was the biggest baddie of the group, and Thor the biggest hero. Who do you think Thor was gunning for when he flew back into Avengers tower? It's obvious Apocalypse threw him out.

No, I'm really not. Seeing as how Apocalypse and his crew were transported into the middle of Avengers tower and apparently started attacking like caged animals or something similar. Let's also not forget that we saw his horseman helping Apocalypse against Thor. My explaniation is just as likely as yours.

It doesn't, but some scenes are simply to vague to come to a single conclusion.

Oh, at this point I think Apocalypse was involved in one way or another with throwing Thor out, but he could have had the help of a horseman as well as surprise on his side.

Originally posted by Lord S
He certainly didn't seem fazed by it, either.

You and I seem to have different definitions of fazed.

Originally posted by Lord S
"Jewed" us out? Interesting choice of words.

If your offended, I'm sorry.

Originally posted by Lord S
I come to the conclusion because nothing Thor did to Apocalypse had any effect on him whatsoever.

You're free to believe whatever you want, of course.

And nothing Apocalypse or his horseman did to Thor had any effect outside of throwing him a few feet out of the tower. Neither were damaged whatsoever but Thor didn't have the benefit of an energy field apparently.

The same right extends to you.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't conveniently forget anything. There:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/25e7d989561299
Thanks to Guy.

I didn't post the above scan as it has absolutely no relevance. For all we know, Apocalypse and one of his horseman sent Thor flying with a surprise attack (Which actually seems likely if you consider the last two pages of the previous issue had them teleporting into the presence of surprised Avengers.)

How do you know? You didn't see his reaction afterwards. He certainly didn't take that attack with a smile. This is typical Bendis fight choreography. A bunch of random brawls happening mostly off panel. He jewed us out on another potentially great match up.

I don't see how you can actually come to that conclusion. The two spent the time mostly off panel. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"Jewed us out". What do you think that's supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure Bendis is Jewish. I recall him making light of the fact that he was Jewish and should be the last person writing a Nazi worshiped God who worked with Hitler once or something similar. Best to drop those types of references.

Okay Bada. Sorry.

Bendis just gets me steamed. Especially when comparing our God Thor, to Nazis. That shit actually caught on.

jesus rage, you seriously need to chill on the thor worship

Heretic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"Jewed us out". What do you think that's supposed to mean? I'm pretty sure Bendis is Jewish. I recall him making light of the fact that he was Jewish and should be the last person writing a Nazi worshiped God who worked with Hitler once or something similar.


crybaby why would you say that?

Damn, I didn't think people would be so hung up on one comment.

You know I love you amnesia.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Heretic. Originally posted by amnesia
crybaby why would you say that? Us jews gotta stick together.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Damn, I didn't think people would be so hung up on one comment.

You know I love you amnesia. Do you love me?