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who will win in only a hand 2 hand fight iron fist or thor

Thor being Ko'ed by any high street leveller/enhanced human is laughable, but i'll humour this thread. Ironfist lands more hits, he dodges for as long as he can, thor need 1 good hit even a fraction of his strength to seriously hurt Ironfist. But thors durability put him way above taking damagefrom blunt force trauma from a mere human.

If this thread ismeant to be an experience vs skill one, then i'll add this. Give Thor a body equal to that of ironfist and IF rapestomps, Skill > Exp

A serious thor stomps the ground and the resulting shockwave shatters danny's legs like toothpicks

iron fist can hit pretty hard to be fair

Originally posted by ankur29
iron fist can hit pretty hard to be fair

Thor is at cosmic power levels, he's tanked galaxy destroying blasts, but he's in danger of a KO by an enhanced human max 2 tons (speculation) in strength?

iron fist hits as hard as a train

thor hits harder than a supernova

see the difference?

Originally posted by Juk3n
Thor is at cosmic power levels, he's tanked galaxy destroying blasts, but he's in danger of a KO by an enhanced human max 2 tons (speculation) in strength?

IF did bring down a sheild hellicarrier

good feat, but that means what to someone who fights beings like silver surfer and hulk?

This was done before, Thor stomps.

Originally posted by Juk3n
an enhanced human max 2 tons (speculation) in strength?

Iron Fist can hit like a class 100

Scans to prove that? that train feat doesnt prove that he can hit with/like class 100.

either ms. marvel or rogue punched or halted a train and they are only class 40 to 50

Originally posted by The Nuul
Scans to prove that? that train feat doesnt prove that he can hit with/like class 100.

Not saying he wins, but he defintly is atleast class 75 in punching power imo
dropping Herc http://img124.imagevenue.com/loc465/th_24611_hercy_122_465lo.jpg

One shots a helicarrier http://thumbnails17.imagebam.com/5765/5bd97457643237.gif http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/5765/915f5457643238.gif

Puts down bres (class 75) with a punch http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc546/th_64420_bres2_122_546lo.jpg

Does the same to Captain Hero (super skrull)
http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc378/th_64167_chero7_122_378lo.jpg http://img150.imagevenue.com/loc404/th_64171_chero8_122_404lo.jpg

Theres also the train thing

He's dropped Luke Cage numerous times including current Cage.

He's solo'd the wrecking crew even punchign right through the wrecking ball one of them has

On shotted buildings numerous times


The only problem is his durability is not as high as his punching power.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Not saying he wins, but he defintly is atleast class 75 in punching power imo
dropping Herc http://img124.imagevenue.com/loc465/th_24611_hercy_122_465lo.jpg

One shots a helicarrier http://thumbnails17.imagebam.com/5765/5bd97457643237.gif http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/5765/915f5457643238.gif

Puts down bres (class 75) with a punch http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc546/th_64420_bres2_122_546lo.jpg

Does the same to Captain Hero (super skrull)
http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc378/th_64167_chero7_122_378lo.jpg http://img150.imagevenue.com/loc404/th_64171_chero8_122_404lo.jpg

Theres also the train thing

He's dropped Luke Cage numerous times including current Cage.

He's solo'd the wrecking crew even punchign right through the wrecking ball one of them has

On shotted buildings numerous times


The only problem is his durability is not as high as his punching power.

Those are really impressive feats, but Thor's durability is simply too high for even iron fist to overcome.

We're talking a man that detonates nukes next to himself to test his strength, hangs out in the core of the sun for fun, fought Zeus for a month straight and can take direct hits from Celestials. Iron Fist is not that strong.

Thor also has godly speed (that he rarely uses, I admit) and can move faster than the human eye can follow. Iron fist has been dodged out by the black panther (there's a pretty neat scan of this) and I think it's fair to say that Thor > panther in terms of speed and reflexes.

While Iron Fist MIGHT be able to hurt thor if he connects with a powerful attack, Thor would certainly kill iron fist if he connected with even the weakest of hits. This really isn't a contest. IF is really cool, but he's no thor.

Originally posted by Juk3n
good feat, but that means what to someone who fights beings like silver surfer and hulk?

yet he gets manhandled by the Juggernaut....

http://thumbnails26.imagebam.com/8902/e77dea89015127.jpg http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/8902/c1da3e89015137.jpg


Originally posted by Space M ummy
Those are really impressive feats, but Thor's durability is simply too high for even iron fist to overcome.
Wrong.... if he was able to KO Herc he can do the same to Thor....

I was more trying to show that he is not a class 2 in pounching like an above poster claimed

Originally posted by nicamarvin
yet he gets manhandled by the Juggernaut....

http://thumbnails26.imagebam.com/8902/e77dea89015127.jpg http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/8902/c1da3e89015137.jpg


Wrong.... if he was able to KO Herc he can do the same to Thor....

Since when does hercules=Thor?

Hercules is a half god, half human that is occasionally downgraded by zeus into a weaker "mortal" form. He has insane strength but that's about it.

Thor is half asgardian, half elder god (he's not full asgardian) and even without mjolnir, can control weather, and summon forth a "godforce" that's powerful enough to even kill galactus.

In fact, galactus has turned hercules into protomatter with a thought, but has NEVER come close to doing the same to Thor.

They're not equivalent.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Since when does hercules=Thor?
They're not equivalent. .....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
.....

I see the frowny, but they simply aren't. Thor has fought stronger opponents, has a more versatile powerset, and has much, MUCH better feats than Hercules does.

When we see Hercules repeatedly beating down heralds and manhandling power gem wielders, then we'll talk.

I does not matter Herc was drunk and mortal in that scan.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
When we see Hercules repeatedly beating down heralds and manhandling power gem wielders, then we'll talk. ....

yea , i actually think immortal herc is stronger than thor and a better H2H

I think thor is more durable

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yea , i actually think immortal herc is stronger than thor and a better H2H

I think thor is more durable

I'd say they're probably about even in terms of pure strength, but Thor is more durable by far.

h2h- hard to say. both have been fighting and/or competing for thousands of years or so- neither one should be a scrub. Marvel gets a lot of mileage out of writing hercules as an idiot, though.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
yet he gets manhandled by the Juggernaut....

http://thumbnails26.imagebam.com/8902/e77dea89015127.jpg http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/8902/c1da3e89015137.jpg


Wrong.... if he was able to KO Herc he can do the same to Thor.... Juggernaut is not in Hulk's class?

I.F. via pressure points i.e. Mantis.

Originally posted by dmills
I.F. via pressure points i.e. Mantis.

The same pressure point techniques that Cap uses? The same Cap that Thor has fought beside and trained with for over a decade?

something tells me this isn't a likely tactic that's going to work.

Don't forget Thor is much, much faster than IF is.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
yet he gets manhandled by the Juggernaut....

http://thumbnails26.imagebam.com/8902/e77dea89015127.jpg http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/8902/c1da3e89015137.jpg



8th day Juggy = Iron Fist???

Thor wins this

Originally posted by Warlord
8th day Juggy = Iron Fist??? Yeah what's up with that? I love I.F. but I mean seriously?

I think what makes the situation so amusing is the speed at which Iron Fist gets his ass handed to him

Originally posted by Space M ummy
The same pressure point techniques that Cap uses? The same Cap that Thor has fought beside and trained with for over a decade?

something tells me this isn't a likely tactic that's going to work.

Don't forget Thor is much, much faster than IF is. Uh, no. Danny is an uber bullet timer with insane combat speed that he displays on a regular basis. And Danny hits harder then Steve. Much harder.

Originally posted by Psychopath001
I think what makes the situation so amusing is the speed at which Iron Fist gets his ass handed to him LMAO!

Thor has certainly speed feats way above IF. The recent fight with Quicksilver can be added to that.

as for the pressure point I don't see anyone sort of Mantis or Gammora doing something like that.

They are Marvel's karate kids after all

Thor 10/10.

Originally posted by dmills
I.F. via pressure points i.e. Mantis.



I hope that was not a serious argument.

Originally posted by left4life
who will win in only a hand 2 hand fight iron fist or thor Look up the fight IF had with that ally of the Hulk in WWH then multiply that by 10 and you will see what the result of a fight with thor would be .

Originally posted by dmills
I.F. via pressure points i.e. Mantis.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I hope that was not a serious argument.

The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.

I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.

are ppl now thinking that ironfist is now karate kid lvl?

Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.



maybe the writer was just a dick? would you like to speculate on how physically tough Thors body must be in order to go through the shit his body does..on a galactic scale. You then want to insinuate that a human man can knock him unconscious, and you say you're NOT mad?

Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.

I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.


If Thor was written correctly by cosmic writers, he wouldn't even notice some dumb karate chop.

Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.

I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.



Once again: Anyone using the Mantis scene as evidence that Iron Fist wins using the logic that he can do the same must be joking.

An Englehart written Mantis is ridiculous at times.

Mantis has done everything from knocking an Elder of the Universe for a loop to going toe to toe with the West Coast Avengers.

And as I recall, Mantis was able to use nerve based attack to temporarily take out Englehart's Wonderman -who I believe was Ionic Energy at the time- and use a Karate Chop to the neck to incapacitate Vision.

Thor defeats Iron Fist everytime.

Originally posted by basilisk
The thing is that Mantis did not do anything particularly special there. She just karate chopped a nerve cluster in Thor's neck and he dropped like a rock and was out cold for quite some time. No powers, no enhanced human necessary. Dumb as it is, and as much as I think Thor should be tougher than that, that's what the writer thought about Thor's ability to take a pressure point attack.

I have no doubt that IF is well capable of doing the same move with the same result. The question is, in a straight up fight is any human/enhanced human MA good enough to get in and deliver the blow, because Mantis took him by surprise. You would think Thor would be fast and strong enough to prevent this but some writers portray him as pretty stupid in a fight.
That's like using Karate Kid as an example of how Iron Fist could take on Pre Crisis Superboy...

Yo Good, didn't you make a Mantis respect thread?

Mantis has gone toe to toe with the West Coast Avengers and taken out Wonderman with a nerve based attack, right?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yo Good, didn't you make a Mantis respect thread?

Mantis has gone toe to toe with the West Coast Avengers and taken out Wonderman with a nerve based attack, right?
Yep on all counts. And unless I'm remembering wrong it was all before her Celestial Madonna upgrade.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yep on all counts. And unless I'm remembering wrong it was all before her Celestial Madonna upgrade.

Thanks for the confirmation. It's been a while. And I've always hated Mantis. Englehart really loved her as you more than likely realize if you've read her under his pen.

I'm pretty sure it was.

Oh, and I see you replied to my post in the other thread. I'll make sure to reply by tomorrow. Either before or after work.

she has the ability to sense weak points, maybe thor has a weak point on his neck?

just like hulk?

yea!

Iron Fist dies.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Iron Fist dies. ...

Originally posted by nicamarvin
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you really think IF could win? He doesn't stand a chance in hell.

Thor dies. Can't handle Fist's fists.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Once again: Anyone using the Mantis scene as evidence that Iron Fist wins using the logic that he can do the same must be joking.

An Englehart written Mantis is ridiculous at times.

Mantis has done everything from knocking an Elder of the Universe for a loop to going toe to toe with the West Coast Avengers.

And as I recall, Mantis was able to use nerve based attack to temporarily take out Englehart's Wonderman -who I believe was Ionic Energy at the time- and use a Karate Chop to the neck to incapacitate Vision.

Thor defeats Iron Fist everytime.

Hey now, Captain America did say that Iron Fist was a good as Mantis...

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Right before he said that wasn't nearly as good as he was.