Ip Man vs Huo Yuanjia

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Snafu the Great
Alt. title: Donnie Yen vs Jet Li.

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Ip Man - the grandmaster of Wing Chun Kung Fu, and teacher to Bruce Lee.

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Huo Yuanjia - founder of the Jingwu Federation, defender of China's honor.

Both are the best in what they do, which is kicking ass, taking names and cashing checks. So...what would happen if these two icons decide to throw down in a battle to the finish?

Who would be the last man standing?

Placidity
Unarmed combat I assume?

I'd say Ip Man, his defenses were impenetrable.

the ninjak
Ip Man would beat the crap out of him.

Master_Starbuck
You're both idiots. Huo Yuanjia won the world martial arts tournament and was himself the master of a highly complex and effective system of combat.

He'd kill Yip Man after a brief exchange.

KingD19
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
You're both idiots. Huo Yuanjia won the world martial arts tournament and was himself the master of a highly complex and effective system of combat.

He'd kill Yip Man after a brief exchange.

Well....he only fought a few people. None of them particularly impressive...and he only won because the japanese guy let him. I'm not saying he wouldn't have won if he hadn't been poisoned, but the fact is it was a pity win.

Ip Man beat the best fighters Japan had to offer, including that general guy, who was regarded as the best fighter in all of Japan.

He even beat that savage guy with the sword...with nothing but a cane.

Ip Man doesn't get touched unless he wants to get touched.

Master_Starbuck
Lol. Alot of that is legend.

Then again, so is alot of Huo's. But he didn't just fight a few people. He literally fought hundreds through out his life.

Neither of us has seen these people fight personally, but in my opinion I'd go with Huo.

Master_Starbuck
Oh yeah. He won the World martial arts tournament. Yip didn't.

the ninjak
Movie feats son.

Ip Man was far more impressive.

Whatever legends or competions that revolve around these guys is useless.

Master_Starbuck
Oh, okay. Fantasy bullshit. "Son".

Gotcha. Go back to watching cartoons, kid.

Or better yet, crack open a book. A history one.

omgchos
Originally posted by KingD19
Well....he only fought a few people. None of them particularly impressive...and he only won because the japanese guy let him. I'm not saying he wouldn't have won if he hadn't been poisoned, but the fact is it was a pity win.

Ip Man beat the best fighters Japan had to offer, including that general guy, who was regarded as the best fighter in all of Japan.

He even beat that savage guy with the sword...with nothing but a cane.

Ip Man doesn't get touched unless he wants to get touched.
Just wanna point out that Tanaka said he wasnt gonna hold back. And Huo coulda killed him event tho he was full of poison.

KingD19
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Oh, okay. Fantasy bullshit. "Son".

Gotcha. Go back to watching cartoons, kid.

Or better yet, crack open a book. A history one.

Lol, this is the movies vs thread..movie feats only dude.

omgchos
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Oh, okay. Fantasy bullshit. "Son".

Gotcha. Go back to watching cartoons, kid.

Or better yet, crack open a book. A history one.

Hes right tho..... movie feats only. This isnt the History vs. Forum. Son.

the ninjak
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Oh, okay. Fantasy bullshit. "Son".

Gotcha. Go back to watching cartoons, kid.

Or better yet, crack open a book. A history one.

LOL you made my day....I think I might go watch some Bleach.

And I'm a librarian so piss off!

Placidity
I think Master_Starbuck's status needs to become reality.

Rogue Jedi
Someone post a vid of IP man in action?

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Rogue Jedi
Huo looks faster.

KingD19
I don't think so, but whether he looks faster or not, Ip will do the same thing to him as everyone else...dodge, counter, block...then punch him to death.

Rogue Jedi
Probably. Huo showed some impressive damage soak though, and looked far more agile.

Young Huo would probably lose. Older Huo? I'd give him the edge.

KingD19
Ip also showed knowledge of pressure points....he slowed that traveler guy down and he couldn't use his sword arm anymore after he stabbed him with the duster.

Rogue Jedi
Huo punched that dude so hard in the chest that his shoulder blade popped out his back.

KingD19
When Ip gets serious....it's over. When he fought all those guys, he was breaking bones and joints with no effort...he even fought off four of them at the same time without getting touched.

He beat all 10, without getting hit once. And that punch barrage is no joke.

And talking about hitting hard, he was knocking that guy across the room when they fought in his house.

Rogue Jedi
Huo beat more than 10 in one sitting, and also never got touched. This was young Huo. older Huo was even more deadly.

KingD19
I still give it to Ip, Wing Chun is about not getting touched...and then punishing someone for trying to touch you. Ip dances around Huo all day.

Rogue Jedi
Well, you've certainly got me wanting to see IP man now haermm

Still going with Huo at the moment, his speed I think is key.

Placidity
You want real speed, check it out from 1:45

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Rogue Jedi
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KingD19
Damn son...that's some speed and balance right there.

Rogue Jedi
You want speed and agility? Check it:

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Not to mention damage soak out the yazoo:

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And what chos said:

Just wanna point out that Tanaka said he wasnt gonna hold back. And Huo coulda killed him event tho he was full of poison.

Not to mention that Wushu is a mixture of Chinese martial arts. Wing Chun being a Chinese martial art, it's not like Huo will be surprised by IP man's attacks.

Placidity
^ So you think that was faster than what you saw at 1:45 in the vid I posted?

Master_Starbuck
Back. Actually, I was in a bad mood at the time. I found out they canceled The New Adventures of Old Christine.
That's enough to make anyone go psycho.

Anyway, I'm aware this is movie feats only, so let's see here...

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Placidity
^ So you think that was faster than what you saw at 1:45 in the vid I posted? I think Huo is fast enough to block/evade/dodge and counter it. He's far more agile, and stronger.

Rogue Jedi
Watching Ip Man as we speak......DAMN.

Rogue Jedi
DAMN he's fast........

Rogue Jedi
Speed: Close call. Too close to call. Probably Ip.

Damage soak: Huo.

Strength: Even, close to anyway.

Agility: Huo.


H2H, I'd say it goes 5/10 either way. Weapons? Huo, 8/10.

Snafu the Great
Okay, let's spice things up. This is now a 2-round match.

Round One is still hand-to-hand.

Round Two is a Weapons Match. Huo can choose between his sword and spear, while Ip has his staff and duster.

Rogue Jedi
Tie.

DarkNemesis
Very close match-up indeed. It really could go either way.

BruceSkywalker
good match for the Grandmaster..

i'd say Ip wins round 1 and round 2, stalemate

Rogue Jedi
You guys are forgetting Huo's damage soak. And the fact that he kept fighting even though he was poisoned.

Rogue Jedi
You know, I change my mind. I'm watching "Fearless" as we speak. Huo kicks the shit outta Ip man. King just made a post in the Bourne/Ip Man thread that got me thinking. Ip Man has little damage soak, if any at all.

Check this shit out:

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Look at the damage Huo takes, and he never even slows down. And in the end, he punches dude so hard that his heart is destroyed, and it drives his shoulder blade almost through his back.

Huo has damage soak, strength, stamina and agility on Ip Man. The only advantage Ip Man has is a slight edge in H2H speed.

Huo wins both scenarios handily.

supracuhz
wait a moment. you guys all seem to forget the fact that Ip Man has been starving for two years. damage soak goes to the emaciated.

Rogue Jedi
Huo rapes.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Speed: Close call. Too close to call. Probably Ip.

Damage soak: Huo.

Strength: Even, close to anyway.

Agility: Huo.


H2H, I'd say it goes 5/10 either way. Weapons? Huo, 8/10.


hmm

I'd say that's a good assessment.


However, there is another element that you did not list: defense.


Defense is a major component, here.

Ip Man has Huo in defense, by leagues. This is why, H2H, it is a 10/10 for Ip.


Weapons, I do no see Ip winning one single one of those matches. However, that could just be my Jet Li fanboyism showing.


Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Huo rapes.

No. You're forgetting the Ip was starved and at his very weakest. He still broke bones like they were styrofoam props. (lol, they were. hahahahahaha)

Rogue Jedi
Defense....Huo was blocking a guy with two staffs the way Neo was blocking Smith at the end of the Matrix.

Placidity
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Defense....Huo was blocking a guy with two staffs the way Neo was blocking Smith at the end of the Matrix.

Let me guess - said staff guy was probably just a random noob?

Rogue Jedi
Nope, he was a martial arts master.

Placidity
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nope, he was a martial arts master.

i.e random noob.

Rogue Jedi
haermm

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