If supervillains were real...

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klintypooh
Lets just say that some supervillains were taken from comicdom and placed into our world. Which ones could the police/army/superpowers effectively take into custody and keep them there?

Say for example the Joker was caught and put in a mental asylum. Would he still be able to escape as easily as he does from Arkham?

If the US government somehow caught Magneto a la the first X-Men movie, would they be able to keep him safely (assuming he was at his movie power level, not how he's depicted in the comics)?

Basically, who could they detain, who would massacre them?

Omega Vision
Does the US government get the help of a certain KMC poster with years of vigilante experience? That makes a huge difference. mhmm

Endless Mike
They could maybe catch Deathstroke. Got the idea because of OV's sig.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Endless Mike
They could maybe catch Deathstroke. Got the idea because of OV's sig.
They could catch him but they wouldn't hold him long.

SamZED
If they ever cought Magneto they'd execute him. No point in holding him prisoner. To risky. Joker would've been executed years ago.

Deadline
Riddler.

Omega Vision
Dock Ock. A good sharpshooter could take him down without him ever knowing.

Capturing him might prove trickier, but it would be possible.

We could even manage to take down Venom with one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

steverules_2
Lex Luthor but he'd find a way to escape

willRules
Magneto would be next to impossible to capture (I'm thinking an extremely long range plastic tranq dart) but could be feasibly contained in our world, just keep him a long way from any metals and continually fill the room with gas to keep him stable.

753
Comics magneto would be impossible to capture or imprison by real world tech. They wouldnt even know how to begin and unopposed by any superhumans he'd wreck all military power on the planet in a day or so. Movie magneto could probably be taken down as he didnt quite have shields and was far far weaker.

All street levellers could be handled without that much trouble in a world without PIS. Joker would be put high out of his mind in a cushioned cell and that'd be it.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by 753
Comics magneto would be impossible to capture or imprison by real world tech. They wouldnt even know how to begin and unopposed by any superhumans he'd wreck all military power on the planet in a day or so. Movie magneto could probably be taken down as he didnt quite have shields and was far far weaker.

All street levellers could be handled without that much trouble in a world without PIS. Joker would be put high out of his mind in a cushioned cell and that'd be it.
You could feasibly imprison Magneto (assuming you captured him) by keeping him sedated 24/7 in a bamboo and earth prison deep in some jungle.

Its not like Magneto can keep his shields up 24/7, he has to sleep sometime.

753
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You could feasibly imprison Magneto (assuming you captured him) by keeping him sedated 24/7 in a bamboo and earth prison deep in some jungle.

Its not like Magneto can keep his shields up 24/7, he has to sleep sometime. True, a drug induced coma would work, the particular surroundings wouldn't matter all that much then.

Yes, but he wouldn't drop the shields while in battle, he'd never be defeated in battle - the most powerfull thing that could be thrown his way would be nukes which he can handle and no country would nuke itself - and there'd be no way to track him to a hideout. Nobody would even understand what the hell is going to begin with, his presence in the epicentre of a inexplicable storm of metal and lightning wouldn't be noticed and his existence wouldn't be considered possible and he can turn invisble to the entire EM spectrum.

If he declared war upon the world there'd be no stopping him. Same goes for all herald level characters, be them low, mid or high.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by 753
True, a drug induced coma would work, the particular surroundings wouldn't matter all that much then.

Yes, but he wouldn't drop the shields while in battle, he'd never be defeated in battle - the most powerfull thing that could be thrown his way would be nukes which he can handle and no country would nuke itself - and there'd be no way to track him to a hideout. Nobody would even understand what the hell is going to begin with, his presence in the epicentre of a inexplicable storm of metal and lightning wouldn't be noticed and his existence wouldn't be considered possible and he can turn invisble to the entire EM spectrum.

If he declared war upon the world there'd be no stopping him. Same goes for all herald level characters, be them low, mid or high.
Well if you missed the dosage due to a slip-up you'd rather him not be surrounded by metal wouldn't you?

I'm not sure what Magneto would do in a world where he was the only mutant. He might just blend into society or he might try conquering it. But if Magneto really is just a well-intentioned extremist and not a Dr Doom-esque megalomaniac hiding behind a cause then he probably wouldn't "declare war" on a world that has no mutants in need of protection.

753
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well if you missed the dosage due to a slip-up you'd rather him not be surrounded by metal wouldn't you?

I'm not sure what Magneto would do in a world where he was the only mutant. He might just blend into society or he might try conquering it. But if Magneto really is just a well-intentioned extremist and not a Dr Doom-esque megalomaniac hiding behind a cause then he probably wouldn't "declare war" on a world that has no mutants in need of protection.

Meh, he'd rip a chunk of a tectonic plate off and bash your head in with it just the same.

I think he'd look at our world as terribilly defective just like he views his own and might try to fix it by levelling the satus quo and or stablishing a new sovereignity. He has embraced environmental and social justice causes in the comics over the years, showing concern for the fate of the earth in and for itself (no just as resources for mutants) as well as for the wellbeing of baseline humans. Depends on the portrayal though, his latest years saw him become more and more mutant-only oriented and bitter.

K3VIL
All street level villains could be contained by real life law enforcement, even low superhumans, like those with strength in the Class 1-10 tons range could be handled cause they usually doesn't possess durability that equals their strength, so bullets, grenades, flamethrowers, rockets, would kill them for good. Movie Magneto was a joke. Comic Book Magneto would conquer this planet in a week.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by K3VIL
Comic Book Magneto would conquer this planet in a week.

Meh.

About 3-4 Days

753
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Meh.

About 3-4 Days I give it 24 hours

The Lone Bear
Comic Magneto would conquer the planet in a day. He would simply obliterate all major world capitals shut down all communication and control of weapons in hours or minutes.

Bentley
You could always lobotomize Magneto.

753
Originally posted by Bentley
You could always lobotomize Magneto. You'd have to put him down first.

basilisk
The cops would arrest Thanos.

Magneto would be dangerous, but they might have a chance via a sneak attack by laser, or kill him with a high intensity gamma radiation source, or high intensity X-ray dosage - since in the real world his magnetic shields wouldn't actually protect him from such things. Or maybe if they ever perfect those X-ray and gamma ray lasers they would have a really good weapon against him.

Tron
Originally posted by klintypooh
Lets just say that some supervillains were taken from comicdom and placed into our world. Which ones could the police/army/superpowers effectively take into custody and keep them there?

Say for example the Joker was caught and put in a mental asylum. Would he still be able to escape as easily as he does from Arkham?


Joker would never be put in an asylum. The insanity plea rarely works in a real court, and Joker wouldn't meet the requirements of that plea (otherwise, some of our own worst serial killers would've done it already). He'd be locked up in a supermax, and executed. That is, if he wasn't shot on the scene. Realistically, Joker would've been long dead either way.

Konton
Once you get to high metahuman shit goes south for the real world.

BlackZero30x
I guarantee that not only would the government have a "tactical" unit to eliminate these threats but the successful missions would also Intel bringing the body back to be studied to make "super soldiers"

RE: Blaxican
Magneto can't conquer the world, lol. He has to eat, sleep, and breathe just like everyone else.

753
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I guarantee that not only would the government have a "tactical" unit to eliminate these threats but the successful missions would also Intel bringing the body back to be studied to make "super soldiers" What unit would that be? No government outside of comics could handle them. They wouldnt find or believe in the existence of most of them to begin with. Only nukes (which they wouldn't use) could take the high metas and would fail against the heralds, even the low ones.

753
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Magneto can't conquer the world, lol. He has to eat, sleep, and breathe just like everyone else.

You mean he couldn't govern it? Not only could he gather followers and armies arround him to protect his ass while he sleeps, if he chose to make himself public, he could impose laws and policies and enforce them through remote control just by appearing to deliver retalliation in case he is disobbeyed and then going back into hiding. No one would find him. Ever.

More to the point, he could wipe out all potential opposition on the planet in a day's work. Who would stop him?

BlackZero30x
Originally posted by 753
What unit would that be? No government outside of comics could handle them. They wouldnt find or believe in the existence of most of them to begin with. Only nukes (which they wouldn't use) could take the high metas and would fail against the heralds, even the low ones.

exactly which is why i said "the successful missions" lol

as for what government......well all governments because bad guys with that much power out their would not show restraint in the usage of power. so everyone would know that they did indeed exist.

as for heralds other then the big g I really don't see anyone that powerful wanting to come to earth.

753
Originally posted by basilisk
The cops would arrest Thanos.

Magneto would be dangerous, but they might have a chance via a sneak attack by laser, or kill him with a high intensity gamma radiation source, or high intensity X-ray dosage - since in the real world his magnetic shields wouldn't actually protect him from such things. Or maybe if they ever perfect those X-ray and gamma ray lasers they would have a really good weapon against him. Well his powers wouldnt be possible in the real world either so im assuming he would use them as in the comcis for this thread. That being the case EM weapons would not the way to go against him. Gas could take him down if he inhales it, but with the force fields, he wouldn't.

753
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
exactly which is why i said "the successful missions" lol

as for what government......well all governments because bad guys with that much power out their would not show restraint in the usage of power. so everyone would know that they did indeed exist.

as for heralds other then the big g I really don't see anyone that powerful wanting to come to earth.

None would be successfull. It would take forever for governments to acknowledge that superhumans exist, even if they decided to announce their existence to the world and insisted on proving it - they'd all initially atribute attacks to things they're aware of, such as criminal networks and political extremists. No one would believe in super-villains.

Assuming governments did create counter-metahuman squads, there is simply no real world tech to handle most high metas and above in combat. Most could just as easilly evade being tracked and found.

G is abstract level. Characters like magneto, superman and silver surfer are herald level. Even the low heralds would be unstoppable.

BlackZero30x
Originally posted by 753
None would be successfull. It would take forever for governments to acknowledge that superhumans exist, even if they decided to announce their existence to the world and insisted on proving it - they'd all initially atribute attacks to things they're aware of, such as criminal networks and political extremists. No one would believe in super-villains.

Assuming governments did create counter-metahuman squads, there is simply no real world tech to handle most high metas and above in combat. Most could just as easilly evade being tracked and found.

G is abstract level. Characters like magneto, superman and silver surfer are herald level. Even the low heralds would be unstoppable.

and im pretty sure like mentioned by others earlier that people on the scale of doc ock, the joker so on and so forth...at the very least be sniped. now back to your high end metas yea i get that and i wasn't arguing that humanity would even stand a chance against them and superman or surfer lvl beings are surely not getting taken out.

now back to the g-man...i wasn't meaning him to be a herald lvl i was speaking more towards heralds in general but Gman was referenced as being one of the most threatening high end being because he would want to eat our planet and unless your a mod with the power to ban nothings going to stop him lol

next back to the "not knowing they exist" that might be something an evil genius would think of but im not buying the thought that people with that much power is gonna be "hush hush" about the whole thing because most of them would be like in the comics.....proud and arrogant or just feel invincible enough to think nothing could stop them.

Omega Vision
I think R'as Al Ghul could probably **** the world over provided he made the right alliances and kept a low profile. Without guys like Batman stopping him could prove impossible until its too late and his plan comes to fruition.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Once you reach characters on the level of Magneto, Superman, Surfer, Thor etc. the real world is f*cked without a doubt. They'd conquer the planet in moments.

Magneto operates on a global scale in terms of power and I doubt the real world has any weapons that would even scratch his field. Magneto would laugh at Nukes.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Once you reach characters on the level of Magneto, Superman, Surfer, Thor etc. the real world is f*cked without a doubt. They'd conquer the planet in moments.

Magneto operates on a global scale in terms of power and I doubt the real world has any weapons that would even scratch his field. Magneto would laugh at Nukes.
But remember that in a world free of PIS Magneto could reach his end by something as embarrassing as slipping in the shower. stick out tongue

Bentley
You could probably starve Magneto off or poison him, or blind him, or make him sick. Admittedly you wouldn't be able to give him cancer via radiation but there are many realistic methods that could kill him as long as he doesn't outright tries to kill everyone in the world.

753
Originally posted by Omega Vision
But remember that in a world free of PIS Magneto could reach his end by something as embarrassing as slipping in the shower. stick out tongue that is an exceptionally depressing way to die isnt it?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by 753
that is an exceptionally depressing way to die isnt it?
Especially for someone of Magneto's stature.

xmarksthespot
I think there was a thread like this ages ago.

Depending upon the powers even a low meta could cause major destruction.

Mystique could become Obama.

Telepaths could amass wealth, power and influence without anyone being any the wiser.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by xmarksthespot


Mystique could become Obama.

Or become the greatest porn star in history.

Doctor-Alvis
I think Magneto would mostly just live in solitude in our world. Without mutants to protect he wouldn't have much of a purpose. That or spend his time trying to find a way back to the Marvel universe.

Bentley
Nah, he would always defend his race "jews should rule over the world"... Mmmmh... Sounds like a saturday's conspiracy theory.

basilisk
Originally posted by 753
Well his powers wouldnt be possible in the real world either so im assuming he would use them as in the comcis for this thread. That being the case EM weapons would not the way to go against him.

Yeah I know what your saying, but I was just thinking about it more along the lines of if Magneto was in the real world, and his powerset is manipulating EM, then it translated to being able to manipulate real world EM and magnetic fields. Just a different way of viewing it that I thought was more interesting.

If that was the case, then gamma rays, x-rays, lasers etc. would go straight through his shield. Things like neutrons as well.

Really they ought to be able to kill him quite easily in the comics with such things but I guess comic book physics apply there, so whatever.



Originally posted by 753
Gas could take him down if he inhales it, but with the force fields, he wouldn't.

Unless he has a perfect recycling device inside his field and he wants to live the rest of his life inside a magnetic bubble, he'd have to get fresh air or come out eventually. But yes, it would be damn near impossible to catch him out if he was being careful.

willRules
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I think Magneto would mostly just live in solitude in our world. Without mutants to protect he wouldn't have much of a purpose. That or spend his time trying to find a way back to the Marvel universe.


I agree, he's the mutant Hitler. Without his "Aryan race" or "Homo Superior" to fight for, he'd have no cause to fight in the first place.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2913/xavier09.jpg

753
Originally posted by willRules
I agree, he's the mutant Hitler. Without his "Aryan race" or "Homo Superior" to fight for, he'd have no cause to fight in the first place.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2913/xavier09.jpg that's an overused you became what you hate theme in the x-men. In god love man kills you can have a deeper look into his motivations and it shows he'd be likely to interfere with a world without mutants as a benevolent dictator just the same. Several other portrayals of him also display concerns for causes outside the sphere of mutant persecution.

willRules
Originally posted by 753
that's an overused you became what you hate theme in the x-men. In god love man kills you can have a deeper look into his motivations and it shows he'd be likely to interfere with a world without mutants as a benevolent dictator just the same. Several other portrayals of him also display concerns for causes outside the sphere of mutant persecution.

Oh it's certainly an overused trope, because it so accurately defines Magneto.

I've read God Loves, Man Kills. This does nothing to detract from the Magneto/Hitler analogy. Granted it could be argued that the storyline helped develop Magneto as a defender of his race, bringing out strong allusions between him and Malcom X (and by extension, Xavier and Martin Luther King jr). Heck, even Marvel's first ever event did that, choosing to ally him with the heroes on Battleworld, rather than the villains. All this does is display a degree of moral amiguity to his character.

However he can be developed to portray him as reprsenting his people, a defender of his race, but he is by no means innocent. His defence comes at the cost of innocent lives and the persecution of humanity. He provides as much offence as he does defence and in fact throughout his history, his emphasis is on the persecution of humanity, rather merely the defence of his race. This is what caused the split form Xavier and made him a central X-men villain. It's intergral to his character by having him stand against humanity. Otherwise he would have joined the X-men with their formation.

So in the same manner, I could just simply extend the Hitler analogy and say that Magneto, like Hitler, may have attempted to defend his own race, but at the glaring and undeniable cost of others. Either way, in a world without mutants, Magneto has no cause to fight for.

Omega Vision
Man people Godwin's Law-ed the **** out of this thread. sneer

753
Originally posted by willRules
Oh it's certainly an overused trope, because it so accurately defines Magneto.

I've read God Loves, Man Kills. This does nothing to detract from the Magneto/Hitler analogy. Granted it could be argued that the storyline helped develop Magneto as a defender of his race, bringing out strong allusions between him and Malcom X (and by extension, Xavier and Martin Luther King jr). Heck, even Marvel's first ever event did that, choosing to ally him with the heroes on Battleworld, rather than the villains. All this does is display a degree of moral amiguity to his character.

However he can be developed to portray him as reprsenting his people, a defender of his race, but he is by no means innocent. His defence comes at the cost of innocent lives and the persecution of humanity. He provides as much offence as he does defence and in fact throughout his history, his emphasis is on the persecution of humanity, rather merely the defence of his race. This is what caused the split form Xavier and made him a central X-men villain. It's intergral to his character by having him stand against humanity. Otherwise he would have joined the X-men with their formation.

So in the same manner, I could just simply extend the Hitler analogy and say that Magneto, like Hitler, may have attempted to defend his own race, but at the glaring and undeniable cost of others. Either way, in a world without mutants, Magneto has no cause to fight for.

God loves man kills and several other other describe his plans to wipe out poverty and warfare from the planet bringing a 'golden age' (as he sees it) for humans and mutants alike under his dictatorial rule. Other works display concerns for environmental degradation regardless of the utility of natural resources to the mutant race. He is not always portrayed as strictly concerned with mutant wellfare.

Your rant about how he is both offensive and defensive and therefore hitler-like means nothing to me. Hitler did not protect the germans from persecution and extermination. the 'german race's' opression and enemies were fictional. A more concrete exemple of a an extreme act of violence for the sake of the preservation and emacipation of a group would come from the haitian revolution in which revolted slaves nearly wiped out the white population. In my view they were quite right to do so. Any slave that kills his master, even in his sleep, acts in self-defense. The existence of a society based on the opression and expoliation of an underclass by an upperclass by itself justifies the destruction of the upper class.

In genosha, that was the case with mutates and their human masters and equating the mutate/mutant guerrilla with the magistrates is abhorent. IIRC magneto and the insurrection wiped them out and magnus dumped a mountain on the ones who were left - good riddance.

As for how many non-combatant innocents magneto has deliberatelly killed throughout the years, well, even with some writers portraying him as bloodthirsty and ruthless, his body count has remained pretty close to zero. In his more sympathetic portrayals, he gives people time to evacuate before attacking and so on.

willRules
Originally posted by 753
God loves man kills and several other other describe his plans to wipe out poverty and warfare from the planet bringing a 'golden age' (as he sees it) for humans and mutants alike under his dictatorial rule. Other works display concerns for environmental degradation regardless of the utility of natural resources to the mutant race. He is not always portrayed as strictly concerned with mutant wellfare.

Your rant about how he is both offensive and defensive and therefore hitler-like means nothing to me. Hitler did not protect the germans from persecution and extermination. the 'german race's' opression and enemies were fictional. A more concrete exemple of a an extreme act of violence for the sake of the preservation and emacipation of a group would come from the haitian revolution in which revolted slaves nearly wiped out the white population. In my view they were quite right to do so. Any slave that kills his master, even in his sleep, acts in self-defense. The existence of a society based on the opression and expoliation of an underclass by an upperclass by itself justifies the destruction of the upper class.

In genosha, that was the case with mutates and their human masters and equating the mutate/mutant guerrilla with the magistrates is abhorent. IIRC magneto and the insurrection wiped them out and magnus dumped a mountain on the ones who were left - good riddance.

As for how many non-combatant innocents magneto has deliberatelly killed throughout the years, well, even with some writers portraying him as bloodthirsty and ruthless, his body count has remained pretty close to zero. In his more sympathetic portrayals, he gives people time to evacuate before attacking and so on.

Well if you think the Haitian revolution would provide a more fitting analogy, that's obviously your perogative. I personally side with many, many writers over the years who have allied Magneto with Hitler in terms of his racism. Also the notion that the oppression of the German race was fictional is a crass generalisation of events from that period. It was much more complicated than that. I don't want to get into a historical debate, but Germany had been subdued by the Treaty of Versailles and the fallout of World War I, Nazism preyed on this fear, combined with the ever present threat of communism. As Chancellor, Hitler was responsible for several initiatives leading to economic recovery after a great depression. The German people felt victimised and Hitler utilised this in order to justify the anti-semitic atrocities that followed.

Either way, he still has blood on his hands in an attempt to justify mutant supremacy, whether you could percieve it as justified or not. I don't see Magneto fighting in a non-mutant world. It may be a matter of opinion but I think it's far too intrinsic to his character. I'm not saying he hasn't fought for other concerns in the past, rather that his campaign for mutant supremacy defines him.

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