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Both Loki and Zarrko have teamed up to get rid of thor and his champions...

Loki an immortal thinking the removal of the heroes from the time stream will allow for his various schemes past and present to go uninterrupted has join forces with Zarrko.

Loki appears disheveled and smoking and in tattered clothes in asgard....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSUQxGjZZ4

Loki has bn sending subliminal messages to thor of Magus conquering the universe in asgard prior to asking for aid making thor think that what he speaks may be true..

Loki says that thor cannot fight alone or he will surely lose.. that he will need help..

Thor looking at Loki says: aye, help is needed but i will not have your aid. i will summon my own.

thor clutching his glowing hammer to hist chest closes his eyes and suddenly a vortex appears stepping out BRB..

BRB: i have responded to your summon brother..

Thor: more is needed we must summon all our brothers for this battle...

both bracing their hammers forms begin to materialize Dargo is the 1st to be summoned slowly materializing.. Dargo is pleased to be summon by thor his god and kneels b4 him.. they once again join hammers and summon thunderstike... Eric materializes in mid leap with his mace an Axe in hand...

angry he lands and hits the ground hard...

Eric: where em i?! i was in the middle of a fight!! against seth!!!
you cant just summon me whenever you want i have obligations! a life!

Thor: calm yourself eric.. your help is needed.. and seth is a dangerous foe for any.. we will transport you in the right moment in time when this is done.. i will be there to help you as well eric,, (puts his jand on eric's shoulder and smiles and gives him a hug)..

Eric: okay.... i guess?(thinking thor is being weird).

Loki: well your team is here let us be off and face the threat to the universe both past and present...(teleports everyone to monster isle).

Adam Warlock and his team are hanging out in the castle.. adam musing over what transpires in the castle with his team..

his smile turns into a serious grimace as he senses trouble he yells at his team to be ready for incoming visitors..

the team see the thunderers approaching walking from the beach as loki smiles at warlock from behind the thunderers and vanishes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w

as they walk to meet them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu9AyX963E8
Adam: treachery is afoot... everyone may be needed.

Pip: gee... really? what gave you that impression? was it the god of mischief impromptu appearance and disappearance or the muscle heads heading this way with we are gonna kick your @$$ from here till tomorrow face?


Adam Warlock: i dont know what you want thunderers but if its a fight you are looking for it's a fight you will have!!!

Wait...so whats the exact lineup?

for the asgardian bad boys:

thor
BRB
Dargo Ktor
Thunderstrike

vs

Infinity watch on monster isle...

Originally posted by King Castle
for the asgardian bad boys:

thor
BRB
Dargo Ktor
Thunderstrike

vs

Infinity watch on monster isle... So infinity watch being

Drax(dumb)
Moondragon
Gamora
Pip
Adam

All with their gems?

And are maxam or thanos included?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So infinity watch being

Drax(dumb)
Moondragon
Gamora
Pip
Adam

All with their gems?

And are maxam or thanos included?

wouldnt be the infinity watch without their gems...

maxam was allowed membership by adam..

do you thing thanos is a member?

Originally posted by King Castle
wouldnt be the infinity watch without their gems...

maxam was allowed membership by adam..

do you thing thanos is a member? Some people say he is because he has a gem.I personally think he doesn't.

But in this fight I'm going to say infinity watch


Gamora and adam can handle thor
Moondragon can easily mindrape bill
Drax can play with thunderstrike
And pip can distract dargo while maxam handles him.

I call infinity watch 6-7/10

So the classic Infinity Watch line up? Not sure how this goes. Edge to the watch unless the Thor etc. decides to cut loose.

A pissed of Bill and Thor are sufficient to take on the Watch but it wouldn't be the norm.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So the classic Infinity Watch line up? Not sure how this goes. Edge to the watch unless the Thor etc. decides to cut loose.

A pissed of Bill and Thor are sufficient to take on the Watch but it wouldn't be the norm. I really don't think he being pissed matters.Fighting competently is different then being pissed.

Bloodlusted(for thor team) edge still to the watch.

Competent fighting(for thor team)thor team wins

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I really don't think he being pissed matters.Fighting competently is different then being pissed.

Bloodlusted(for thor team) edge still to the watch.

Competent fighting(for thor team)thor team wins

Then you should read Blood and Thunder. An enraged Thor etc. would tear right through this team. They'd have to resort to some other method other than physically overpowering him. But like I said, it wouldn't be the norm.

The Thor team would wreck shop. They better hope Thor's -and co's- resistance to mental attacks isn't being played up.

I agree with that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then you should read Blood and Thunder. An enraged Thor etc. would tear right through this team. They'd have to resort to some other method other than physically overpowering him. But like I said, it wouldn't be the norm.

The Thor team would wreck shop. They better hope Thor's -and co's- resistance to mental attacks isn't being played up.

I agree with that. No.Because gamora was busting thor with PG alone.I was basing my post off of blood and thunder.Only reason gamora didn't beat him was Valkyrie interfered.

No they wouldn't.Gamora alone has been shown to best a bloodlusted and amped thor.

Ok then.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No.Because gamora was busting thor with PG alone.I was basing my post off of blood and thunder.Only reason gamora didn't beat him was Valkyrie interfered.

No they wouldn't.Gamora alone has been shown to best a bloodlusted and amped thor.

Ok then.

Hahaha. She attacked him from behind -to no affect- went on to kick him to the side while they were conversing and dodged a single blow from a Thor who had just begun fighting until the Valkyrie took her out with Moondragon. Gamora's lucky that's as far as the fight went. She'd have gotten a blow to the face or a lightning bolt up her ass once. Thor had only gotten serious.

Lol, uhuh.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha. She attacked him from behind -to no affect- went on to kick him to the side while they were conversing and dodged a single blow from a Thor who had just begun fighting until the Valkyrie took her out with Moondragon. Gamora's lucky that's as far as the fight went. She'd have gotten a blow to the face or a lightning bolt up her ass once. Thor had only gotten serious.

Lol, uhuh. No.She was handling him and quite easily.Saying where brute force had failed skill might succeed.But thats just speculation.Obviously she was handling him easily and not even getting close to getting hit.Then Valkyrie interrupted her owning of PG thor and thus lost.

lol,ahuh

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No.She was handling him and quite easily.Saying where brute force had failed skill might succeed.But thats just speculation.Obviously she was handling him easily and not even getting close to getting hit.Then Valkyrie interrupted her owning of PG thor and thus lost.

lol,ahuh

Originally posted by amnesia
Look I know you love thor but re-read the comic.She was clearly holding her own and thor showed no sign of hitting her.

He threw one blow. ONE. That was the extent of his attacks.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No.She was handling him and quite easily.Saying where brute force had failed skill might succeed.But thats just speculation.Obviously she was handling him easily and not even getting close to getting hit.Then Valkyrie interrupted her owning of PG thor and thus lost.

lol,ahuh

What handling? She attacked him from behind, and they had a conversation. Near the end of the conversation she kicked him which apparently surprised him. Thor then states his had enough of her talking and tells her to fight. While he says this he throws a blow which she dodges. That's the full extent of their interaction. It's the equivalent of a f*cking Batman/Superman battle.

Moondragon stated that skill might triumph over sheer power but what the hell does she know? She wasn't exactly the expert on Thor during Blood and Thunder. You'd think she'd know him and his capabilities pretty well by now.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He threw one blow. ONE. That was the extent of his attacks.



What handling? She attacked him from behind, and they had a conversation. Near the end of the conversation she kicked him which apparently surprised him. Thor then states his had enough of her talking and tells her to fight. While he says this he throws a blow which she dodges. That's the full extent of their interaction. It's the equivalent of a f*cking Batman/Superman battle.

Moondragon stated that skill might triumph over sheer power but what the hell does she know? She wasn't exactly the expert on Thor during Blood and Thunder. You'd think she'd know him and his capabilities pretty well by now. I recall it being more then one.

She was still able to do a good amount of damage to him and dodge all of his attacks.

And it did.She was obviously winning.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I recall it being more then one.

She was still able to do a good amount of damage to him and dodge all of his attacks.

And it did.She was obviously winning.

He threw one blow.

Haha, damage? She made him grunt. Something Thor did a lot during this era.

Winning what? What they had wouldn't qualify as a fight to me. It was closer to a scuffle that lasted like three panels.

Anyways, this is getting tedious.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight10.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight11.jpg

The equivalent of a Superman/Batman scuffle.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He threw one blow.

Haha, damage? She made him grunt. Something Thor did a lot during this era.

Winning what? What they had wouldn't qualify as a fight to me. It was closer to a scuffle that lasted like three panels.

Anyways, this is getting tedious.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight10.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight11.jpg

The equivalent of a Superman/Batman scuffle. And what about the rest?Or did she throw moondragon into gamora?I forget.

And like I said gamora was winning.And she hit him twice and dodged him twice

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And what about the rest?Or did she throw moondragon into gamora?I forget.

And like I said gamora was winning.And she hit him twice and dodged him twice


You do realize that all Thor needs to do is send down a lightning bolt, right? The fact that you think Gamora is anywhere near Thor is dumb

Originally posted by amnesia
You do realize that all Thor needs to do is send down a lightning bolt, right? The fact that you think Gamora is anywhere near Thor is dumb Gamora was shown to be able to handle thor.

If thats all he needed to do why didn't he do it?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Gamora was shown to be able to handle thor.

If thats all he needed to do why didn't he do it?


It's called PIS.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Gamora was shown to be able to handle thor.

If thats all he needed to do why didn't he do it? b.c she jump out of the way... with her ahility that she was using while fighting thor in melee combat..

Originally posted by amnesia
It's called PIS. Or its called handling him.

So your just calling the comic where gamora can beat thor PIS?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Gamora was shown to be able to handle thor.

If thats all he needed to do why didn't he do it?

Because he never got a chance to. The duration of that so called "fight" was about 3 panels. How do you not comprehend this? The extent of Thor's true offensive maneuvers was a blow that she dodged.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And what about the rest?Or did she throw moondragon into gamora?I forget.

And like I said gamora was winning.And she hit him twice and dodged him twice

That's the extent of their interactions outside of this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor2fight5.jpg

*Sigh* It's like debating with a damn 12 year old. Context matters.

Originally posted by amnesia
It's called PIS. That entire arc was PIS...

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Or its called handling him.

So your just calling the comic where gamora can beat thor PIS?


Yes, i also call the comic where Thor beat up Surfer and warlock with ease PIS.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That entire arc was PIS... exactly.. adam for some reason was having a hard time dealing with thor was massive pis...

Originally posted by King Castle
exactly.. adam for some reason was having a hard time dealing with thor was massive pis... The only thing good about it was how far it showed Thanos above everyone else.

Lol at the last three posts.

Originally posted by amnesia
Yes, i also call the comic where Thor beat up Surfer and warlock with ease PIS. A PG thor should be able to do that.Or even a warrior madness because surfer wasn't trying to put him down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol at the last three posts. Why lol?Surfer>Thor if they are trying to kill each other.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
A PG thor should be able to do that.Or even a warrior madness because surfer wasn't trying to put him down.

Thor did not have the Power Gem. Thor was not in Warrior Madness. Surfer was trying to put Thor down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor did not have the Power Gem. Thor was not in Warrior Madness. Surfer was trying to put Thor down. Not really.And he didn't have his board for part of the fight.He was just trying to help him.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Why lol?Surfer>Thor if they are trying to kill each other.

Sure.

And even I think that's pretty stupid.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Not really.And he didn't have his board for part of the fight.He was just trying to help him.



I'm talking about the fight with Warlock and not the one with Bill.

He regained his board after Bill was safe, and stated he was cutting loose. Which didn't help at all but whatever. In the following issue, with the help of Warlock he once again tries to take down Thor and is knocked out.

Surfer gets one shotted by Thor.
Thor beats the ass out of Adam and Surfer.
Thor one shots Drax with the PG.
Thor beats up Maxam and Drax with PG.

Ya, the series was PIS.

Thor needs to take Karate lessons.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer gets one shotted by Thor.
Thor beats the ass out of Adam and Surfer.
Thor one shots Drax with the PG.
Thor beats up Maxam and Drax with PG.

Ya, the series was PIS.

Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. That event was co-ordinated by like three different writers. One -two if you count Starlin- of which wrote a great deal of Surfer's own series.

When did he one shot Surfer?

Ive seen batman hang with superman. Welcome to comics

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. Besides, he has had better feats in my opinion.

When did he one shot Surfer? I'm not moaning. I'm just calling it what it was. PIS. If you want to cry because people don't accept it, then that's you, not me.

At least Superman had a reason. Sundip.

Surfer said he was going to start cutting lose. And... he's out. One shot if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'm not moaning. I'm just calling it what it was. PIS. If you want to cry because people don't accept it, then that's you, not me.

At least Superman had a reason. Sundip.

Surfer said he was going to start cutting lose. And... he's out. One shot if I recall correctly.

Your moaning (There's joke in there somewhere.) If there was PIS present in that arc, it sure was consistent. Blood and Thunder crossed over like 4 different titles.

Superman was outperforming his peers during that arc even without Sun Dip. You should read Kelly's interview of how powerful he considered Superman when he cut loose and was destroying the numerous probes. It's rather lol worthy.

Hahaha, yea. That was pretty great. But he did take blows from Thor previously so I don't think it's fair to Norrin to call it a one shot.

i still say that even though it was not truly warrior madness thor still got an amp from his psychosis...

Nah, no amping. At least from any outside forces.

Blood and Thunder Thor is the level I picture Thor operates at when his in his Destroyer/Mangog/Celestial busting mode. At least he starts out at that level and goes up from there. Add's a bit more consistency to everything.

Thor's ability to hold back his power subconsciously isn't as well integrated into his history in comparison to Superman.

amp.

From where? His inner self? I'm fine with that.

As long as people admit there were no outside forces doing it, they can keep on believing that Thor was amped -he wasn't but whatever- if it helps them sleep at night. I don't particuraly care.

same place where the warrior madness power/strength originates from.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your moaning (There's joke in there somewhere.) That arc wasn't PIS.

Superman was outperforming his peers throughout the arc even without Sun Dip. You should read Kelly's interview of how powerful he considered Superman when he cut loose and was destroying the numerous probes. It's rather lol worthy.

Hahaha, yea. That was pretty great. But he did take blows from Thor previously so I don't think it's fair to Norrin to call it a one shot. lol
That arc was one of the worst in terms of PIS. Wouldn't expect you to understand though.

Right, the Probes. I'm not so sure that's all throughout the arc. More like one factor. And that type of stuff happens all the time in comics. What rarely happens though, is someone actually making almost all their peers looks like jokes to them in a direct fight. Teams, 1v1, etc. Superman outperformed them, he didn't go and massacre them.
Kelly is a fanboy, I realize.

Not really any sort of significant blows. Except the one that laid him out at the start...

Originally posted by King Castle
same place where the warrior madness power/strength originates from.

mhmm

I'd say that Thor doesn't receive a boost from Warrior Madness. The earliest evidence I've seen to support that was a statement from Bill in the 90's.

In Thor #502 he stated he can get up to ten times stronger in a Berserker Rage. That state was explained as Thor clearing his mind of everything and entering a mindless battle passion. Unfortunately he couldn't enter it at the time. He theorized that after years of trying to be human, he had finally become too human to fight as a God. Mental blocks can kiss my ass.

Still, I can see your reasoning.

Ya, I'd accept an amp.

But as of right, I just can't accept this as any sort of indication of how a battle would go of his peers.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
lol
That arc was one of the worst in terms of PIS. Wouldn't expect you to understand though.

Right, the Probes. I'm not so sure that's all throughout the arc. More like one factor. And that type of stuff happens all the time in comics. What rarely happens though, is someone actually making almost all their peers looks like jokes to them in a direct fight. Teams, 1v1, etc. Superman outperformed them, he didn't go and massacre them.
Kelly is a fanboy, I realize.

Not really any sort of significant blows. Except the one that laid him out at the start...

Lol, I understand PIS very well. Fortunately I'm primarily a Thor fan so I have nothing to complain about. Still, I find it hard to believe that the writers of said arc didn't know of the capabilities of Surfer and co. Ron Marz and Starlin were the ones who primarily wrote this.

True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.

I'm pretty sure he slapped him around a bit, and Norrin didn't take those attacks with a smile. He wouldn't have been completely at 100% either way. Would have been fun if he was however.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I'd accept an amp.

But as of right, I just can't accept this as any sort of indication of how a battle would go of his peers.

As long as you admit it would have been Thor simply tapping more into his own inner -and accessible - strength rather than him getting an amp from an outside source, I'm fine with it. I however would say he was simply cutting loose in comparison to usual holding back but I don't care enough to argue this. Those stupid arguments the Power Cosmic fans spout out to help themselves sleep at night is what I won't agree with for certain.

Lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, I understand PIS very well. Fortunately I'm primarily a Thor fan so I have nothing to complain about. Still, I find it hard to believe that the writers of said arc didn't know of the capabilities of Surfer and co. Ron Marz and Starlin were the ones who primarily wrote this.

True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.

I'm pretty sure he slapped him around a bit, and Norrin didn't take those attacks with a smile. He wouldn't have been completely at 100% either way. Would have been fun if he was however. I know you understand PIS, you screamed it when Hulk beat Thor.
Well versed people can still write shit. Also, Starlin/Marz makes sense... if that's the case, they were just setting it up for Thanos to have a good showing.
Also, fans accept PIS from their characters all the time, fanboys don't.

True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.

He didn't really hit him hard though. Plus he pretty much took him out at the start of the battle too...

Snap.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As long as you admit it would have been Thor simply tapping more into his own inner -and accessible - strength rather than him getting an amp from an outside source, I'm fine with it. I however would say he was simply cutting loose in comparison to usual holding back but I don't care enough to argue this. Those stupid arguments the Power Cosmic fans spout out to help themselves sleep at night is what I won't agree with for certain.

Lol. Funny how you talk about other fans with a post like this...

Originally posted by kgkg
Snap. 2 snaps and a twist?

boBsEbFgJ4k

I've seen people argue that Thor was drawing on the Odin Power or some bullshit in the past. Seemed to genuinely believe it to.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I know you understand PIS, you screamed it when Hulk beat Thor.
Well versed people can still write shit. Also, Starlin/Marz makes sense... if that's the case, they were just setting it up for Thanos to have a good showing.

True, outperforming your peers directly is more impressive than destroying generic Probes.

He didn't really hit him hard though. Plus he pretty much took him out at the start of the battle too...

Link? When the Hulk one shot came out, I was a bit annoyed, but I don't think I ever screamed PIS. As I recall, the main discussion took place in the Thor thread. You can go take a look if you want. It's one thing for a random one shot by an unknown writer to have some bullshit -said writer even had Banner suggest it was incorrect memory- but for it to be present across 4 different titles for multiple issues under different writers? Yea....

If it helps you sleep at night, you can scream PIS all you want.

Let's not forget that generic Probes were played up as extremely powerful. Look at what they did to JLA. Taking on an army of them is as probably as close as Superman could get to beating up the JLA without actually doing it.

He was knocked down, but not out in the beginning of the issue.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I'd accept an amp.

But as of right, I just can't accept this as any sort of indication of how a battle would go of his peers. So BRB toppling him with a flurry of blows is even more PIS since Bill was weakened and Thor was "amped"? mhmm

Originally posted by King Castle
2 snaps and a twist?

boBsEbFgJ4k Sexy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've seen people argue that Thor was drawing on the Odin Power or some bullshit in the past. Seemed to genuinely believe it to.



Link? When the Hulk one shot came out, I was a bit annoyed, but I don't think I ever screamed PIS. As I recall, the main discussion took place in the Thor thread. You can go take a look if you want. It's one thing for a random one shot by an unknown writer to have some bullshit -said writer even had Banner suggest it was incorrect memory- but for it to be present across 4 different titles for multiple issues under different writers? Yea....

If it helps you sleep at night, you can scream PIS all you want.

Let's not forget that generic Probes were played up as extremely powerful. Look at what they did to JLA. Taking on an army of them is as probably as close as Superman could get to beating up the JLA without actually doing it.

He was knocked down, but not out in the beginning of the issue. Why would I look for that? The mere fact that you had to talk with the writer about it means you were pretty bothered by it. Probably a little more than merely screaming PIS...
PIS is PIS, no matter who writes it.

I haven't screamed PIS. I've claimed it was PIS. You however, were so bothered by this you decided to argue with me about it.

I figured merely repeating you would stop you talking about it. But you feel the need to still argue about it when I use your own words... lol.
Anyway, like you said yourself, it's different. Like I said, it happens all the time in comics. Hope just did it against the barrier Thor tried his hardest to break. Surfer beat Firelord many times, when Thor could only stalemate him. Surfer beat Bill. Surfer destroyed Rune's hand with the IG... If ABC logic sates your appetite, then I'm sure you'll be happy with everyone else doing it as well.
Anyway, Thor destroyed everyone of his peers. People that were as strong as him, as powerful, as versatile. He didn't merely run through probes using powers that his peers lacked (IE, strength on his level, blasts on his level, etc). Flash, Kyle, and Wonder Woman I believe all lack Superman's power for destruction, in this ABC comparison. The people Thor crushed were seen as almost every way his equals in power. Crushing your actual peers > crushing Canon fodder.
I can't believe I even need to explain this.

Like I said, pretty much took him out.


Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So BRB toppling him with a flurry of blows is even more PIS since Bill was weakened and Thor was "amped"? mhmm Yes. But one instance of PIS is better than a whole arc of it.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Yes. But one instance of PIS is better than a whole arc of it. So it was PIS exemplified by further PIS... making it ultra-PIS...

... instead of just... a good showing where BRB topples Thor like we know he can... and has... ? mhmm

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Why would I look for that? The mere fact that you had to talk with the writer about it means you were pretty bothered by it. Probably a little more than merely screaming PIS...
PIS is PIS, no matter who writes it.

I haven't screamed PIS. I've claimed it was PIS. You however, were so bothered by this you decided to argue with me about it.


Because you claimed I screamed PIS? Which I don't believe I did.

I simply asked him to confirm what he said in an interview. I could spare a few minutes to type a message. I specifically remember going out of my way, to point out that the fight wasn't nearly as bad as some people were claiming when you take into account some factors.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I figured merely repeating you would stop you talking about it. But you feel the need to still argue about it when I use your own words... lol.

I was simply pointing out the fact that writers went out of their way to establish the probes as significant threats. While other heroes had to go to some extreme measures to defeat the Probes, Superman cut loose and was able to just plow right through them.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Anyway, like you said yourself, it's different. Like I said, it happens all the time in comics. Hope just did it against the barrier Thor tried his hardest to break. Surfer beat Firelord many times, when Thor could only stalemate him. Surfer beat Bill. Surfer destroyed Rune's hand with the IG... If ABC logic sates your appetite, then I'm sure you'll be happy with everyone else doing it as well.
Anyway, Thor destroyed everyone of his peers. People that were as strong as him, as powerful, as versatile. He didn't merely run through probes using powers that his peers lacked (IE, strength on his level, blasts on his level, etc). Flash, Kyle, and Wonder Woman I believe all lack Superman's power for destruction, in this ABC comparison. The people Thor crushed were seen as almost every way his equals in power. Crushing your actual peers > crushing Canon fodder.
I can't believe I even need to explain this.

I'm not using generic ABC logic you goof. Superman directly outperformed his usual peers in combat against the same threat and that was what the story apparently intended to show. He proved that he had more raw power than them in this story. Usually the high end Leaguers would be near equals in this category. Albeit some would compensate by using different abilities. Why is acknowledging what Superman did in that event difficult for you? The references? Unnecessary.

Thor and Hercules once encountered an opponent named Armak. Hercules was swiftly defeated. Thor on the other hand went on to go toe to toe with him. That seen would support Hercules being inferior to Thor as Thor outperformed him in the same story. You can't pass that off as simply ABC logic. He outperformed him directly. Of course context matters in such situation, but that scene was pretty straightforward. I'm not trying to argue that Thor is superior to Norrin because he beat generic villain No. 345 that defeated Norrin years ago. If he managed to triumph or overcome something that Norrin specifically failed to? That is some evidence but wouldn't be as concrete if this happened in the same story. I hope you understand my point.

It was not as impressive or as valid as him defeating the JLA directly, but it sure will do as some secondary evidence.

Did I not point out that defeating Probes would not be impressive as actually defeating the JLA/his peers etc. in the previous post?

Either way, I don't reall care about OWAW. I initially compared it to Blood and Thunder because a lot of people seem to regard that even as a very bright spot in Superman's history.

Blood and Thunder was a great showing for Thor, and like I said before -this will be the last time- you can moan or call it PIS all you want. I don't care. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But you -Surfer fans etc. in particular- sure as hell won't be able to dismiss that arc as evidence by claiming PIS. I assume your intelligent enough to realize that. I just want it to be clear.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Like I said, pretty much took him out.

Surfer was down and not out. I believe if he had tried a more aggressive approach he would have lasted longer.

Um
1. I definitely consider thanks and madam to be members of the watch. Thanks because warlock as much as said so when the original dividing of the gems occurred and the watch were those that guarded the gems... Maxam was the only member of the watch who didn't have a gem...


And as for the power levels... Realistically if thanks was on the field it's game over for team Thor... Period... Sure thanes had a tough time with Thor before... But an infinity watch thanks holds the freaking reality gem in his hands....

To be honest if watch were to snatch up the time gem the battle would be over also...

But based on yhe I telligence of thanks and Adam I gotta say It goes to the watch

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because you claimed I screamed PIS? Which I don't believe I did.

I simply asked him to confirm what he said in an interview. I could spare a few minutes to type a message. I specifically remember going out of my way, to point out that the fight wasn't nearly as bad as some people were claiming when you take into account some factors. Well, since you want to go on with this...
The last one's my favorite.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahahaha. My god. facepalm

That's horrible. I'd have absolutely no problem with Hulk beating Thor in a slug fest, but wow. My god, I wish Hulk had said "Stop hitting yourself". That would have made this seen Hall of Fame worthy.

So the big question is, is this cannon? It's apparently a sequel to Marvel Adventures #9 which I know isn't cannon. So I'm not sure.

And in the last scan, is Thor still holding the hammer or is the Hulk overpowering the enchantment? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scratch that, it was in Marvel Comics Presents #9 which I guess is cannon, which means this is cannon. Lulz.

Apparently the second story isn't cannon as it involves Maestro, so I can see why it might be considered non cannon as a whole, but we need actual evidence such as a statement from Marvel or the writer to clarify. Personally I haven't read this book myself but from what I can gather nothing from the first story labels it as non cannon as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
According to the writer, Thor was not intended to be wounded as bad or something like that. He blamed it on the artist apparently. He should have checked the final result of his issue like any writer should because that shit was just inexcusable.

And he also apparently didn't have Thor say shit like "Gurgle." in his original script.

I have a hard time believing all that. I mean he didn't even read the final copy of his own issue? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think you have actually read their fights.

It's the same bull that writer was spewing. The Hulk has always been shown as stronger etc. Do people even read the comics or just watch the animated garbage? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bleeding some? He bleed a lot. Thor is not invulnerable but his way too durable for that too happen in four hits and have his nose split in 1. His been pounded on by Adamantine, Uru weapons etc. of beings in Hulk's league. Heck the simple fact he has tanked being repeatedly pounded on by the Destroyer whose superior to the Hulk and is made out of Uru is all I need as evidence.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your evidence was non cannon animated shit.

I don't know how any retard can actually think this shit is logical. If Hulk beats Thor in a slug fest, that's fine. Thor's beaten the Hulk. The Hulk splitting Thor's nose in one blow and knocking him out in 3 is however ridiculous and just plain stupid.

Only someone who hasn't actually read their fights or comics things the Hulk is far more durable or stronger than Thor.

And apparently the story might be non cannon. A Thor fan emailed Quesada and he said it was non cannon, but it's not clear whether he meant only the Maestro part or referred to it by Maestro as a whole. Seems to be the former though.

Here it is:
http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=thor-2010031118561355 Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

Just what I thought. He wrote this for some shock value and not to have the issue forgotten like it would have been otherwise.

Apparently he tosses a bone by saying that Bruce Banner did not remember correctly when he says "Yeah....right" etc.

He also says the Hulk won because it was a Hulk one shot. If it was a Thor one shot, he would have won or if it was a Hulk vs. Thor book it would have been a tie.



I want this guy to do a Thor one shot. BAD.

He states however that although the two are fairly even, he thinks at that point the Hulk was stronger. He must not have read all the fights where Thor fights an enraged Hulk for hours.

Also Thor wasn't out of it either. The fight would have continued if it wasn't a one shot apparently.

I don't like him. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just read more of the interview. He makes the fight seem less bad.Thor is winning, then he gloats and the Hulk catches his hand while Thor is too stunned to defend himself. The Hulk then runs away. So it's not even a real win. Apparently the fight would have continued if the one shot was longer. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I just re-read it, and Banner says "Yeah, right.....then I woke up".

Even Banner thinks he remembered the fight incorrectly.

Meh, I was overreacting and so are a great deal of Thor fans. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=312488&page=6

Just went on a little bit of a pointless rant on the writer. I feel better now. stoned

I except a ton of "Well I never actually said PIS" later today, so don't dissapoint Rage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I was simply pointing out the fact that writers went out of their way to establish the probes as significant threats. While other heroes had to go to some extreme measures to defeat the Probes, Superman cut loose and was able to just plow right through them. K, I just said that I repeated what you said.

I'm not sure if you want a response to this, or if you even need one since you'll argue about it as if I said something counteractive.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not using generic ABC logic you goof. Superman directly outperformed his usual peers in combat against the same threat and that was what the story apparently intended to show. He proved that he had more raw power than them in this story. Usually the high end Leaguers would be near equals in this category. Albeit some would compensate by using different abilities. Why is acknowledging what Superman did in that event difficult for you? The references? Unnecessary. But you are using ABC logic. Funny.
I know he outperformed them. Like I said, using the raw power that his 'peers' lack and that they've never had.

They did compensate though, they just didn't blow by the Probes.

I am acknowledging what he did. I've been doing it the whole time. Your eyes are there for a reason. I'm just saying that what Thor did was a lot more stupid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor and Hercules once encountered an opponent named Armak. Hercules was swiftly defeated. Thor on the other hand went on to go toe to toe with him. That seen would support Hercules being inferior to Thor as Thor outperformed him in the same story. You can't pass that off as simply ABC logic. He outperformed him directly. Of course context matters in such situation, but that scene was pretty straightforward. I'm not trying to argue that Thor is superior to Norrin because he beat generic villain No. 345 that defeated Norrin years ago. If he managed to triumph or overcome something that Norrin specifically failed to? That is some evidence but wouldn't be as concrete if this happened in the same story. I hope you understand my point. Oh OK.
So it's like the time Surfer beat Durok, when Thor couldn't?
Or the time Surfer beat Murrungo who made every hero look like shit, and Murrungo's minions were able to capture almost every hero on Earth (Thor)?
Or when Surfer was able to get Millenius to yield when Thor got his shit kicked in by him?
I see. ABC logic in the same comic is accepted, and 'concrete'. But ABC logic in a different comic is overlooked. Good thing I followed your logic with those examples.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was not as impressive or as valid as him defeating the JLA directly, but it sure will do as some secondary evidence. K. Except when powers make fights.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did I not point out that defeating Probes would not be impressive as actually defeating the JLA/his peers etc. in the previous post? Yes. You argued with me when I repeated it.

You're still making it seem as if this is all Superman needs to beat the JLA:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was not as impressive or as valid as him defeating the JLA directly, but it sure will do as some secondary evidence.

So ya. Your whole basis for this argument is that *NOT* ABC logic would show that Superman is far above his peers.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Either way, I don't reall care about OWAW. I initially compared it to Blood and Thunder because a lot of people seem to regard that even as a very bright spot in Superman's history. Evidently, you do. It's your comparison to make everything Thor did look alright without actually addressing what went on in the issue itself.
"It's good though, because Superman did THIS!"

Anyway, at least Superman had another reason other than becoming just angry. That's where his 'dynamic strength' kicks in.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Blood and Thunder was a great showing for Thor, and like I said before -this will be the last time- you can moan or call it PIS all you want. I don't care. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But you -Surfer fans etc. in particular- sure as hell won't be able to dismiss that arc as evidence by claiming PIS. I assume your intelligent enough to realize that. I just want it to be clear. You do care though. Otherwise you wouldn't intitiate an argument just because I called it PIS. Nevermind, that's probably just you being you arguing about everything negative said about Thor. You care so much about what everyone else thinks of Thor that it's hilarious.

Oh, but I think I can. It's in the rules afterall. I assume you're intelligent... nevermind, you're not that smart, only persistent. There's only like two people on the forum who accept that arc as proof of anything. It was just a big Thor wank turned into a Thanos wank, and you absolutely love the first half, so you'll do anything to prove it was great without actually proving anything. It funny how you don't accept the Thanos part though, since you'd think a guy that stalemated a super tough Thor with the PG would be able to easily rip through regular Thor... but logic doesn't have to be on your side for you to be right apparently... but that's neither here nor there.

Either way, I'm not going to accept it. If you do, then good for you, and you will accept any Thor feat, so even better for you.



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer was down and not out. I believe if he had tried a more aggressive approach he would have lasted longer. K. Pretty much took him out.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So it was PIS exemplified by further PIS... making it ultra-PIS...

... instead of just... a good showing where BRB topples Thor like we know he can... and has... ? mhmm One PIS, or shit feat can be overlooked. A whole issue of that though? Well that's a tough cumshot to swallow.

If Thor was at a level where everything he did was acceptable in that series without question, then what Beta did would be considered PIS.
Right now, the Beta fight is the only one that makes sense against Thor, except Thanos of course.

^ Beta Ray Bill can fight Thor. Beta Ray Bill can topple Thor even. That's what happened at one point in Blood and Thunder.

But according to your interpretation of Thor's own performance throughout the storyline, well... BRB toppling him must have been the greatest single piece of PIS throughout it -- since Thor must have obviously been infused with super-PIS abilities or ambiguously amped -- and no way could Beta Ray Bill possibly contend with this uber-mensch Thor.

Or... Beta Ray Bill toppled Thor because he can do so when pushed to it as long as Thor wasn't uber-amped... and all things were actually considered equal.

If you're willing to accept that possibility, we could discuss every single other feat/fight you might have a problem with.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Beta Ray Bill can fight Thor. Beta Ray Bill can topple Thor even. That's what happened at one point in Blood and Thunder.

But according to your interpretation of Thor's own performance throughout the storyline, well... BRB toppling him must have been the greatest single piece of PIS throughout it -- since Thor must have obviously been infused with super-PIS abilities or ambiguously amped -- and no way could Beta Ray Bill possibly contend with this uber-mensch Thor.

Or... Beta Ray Bill toppled Thor because he can do so when pushed to it as long as Thor wasn't uber-amped... and all things were actually considered equal.

If you're willing to accept that possibility, we could discuss every single other feat/fight you might have a problem with. Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Right now, the Beta fight is the only one that makes sense against Thor

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Right now, the Beta fight is the only one that makes sense against Thor, except Thanos of course. So if that's in line with Thor's natural performance against allies who are trying to cajole him while he's utterly insane (and who are forced to step up when Thor goes all insane on them... if they have a chance)... what feats/fights are so PIS'y that the entire storyline must be discarded as "PIS" or explained away as evincing an "ambiguous amp"?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So if that's in line with Thor's natural performance against allies who are trying to cajole him while he's utterly insane (and who are forced to step up when Thor goes all insane on them... if they have a chance)... what feats/fights are so PIS'y that the entire storyline must be discarded as "PIS" or explained away as evincing an "ambiguous amp"? I never said it must be explained as an amp. I said I'd accept it.

One shotting Drax with PG.
One shotting Surfer when Surfer got serious/easily beating Surfer.
Easily beating Surfer/Warlock, and two shotting Surfer with lightning in that fight.
Pretty effortlessly beating up Maxam/Drax.

So ya, except the Beta fight(s), without the PG.

Humbug, Thor>all that's how it works, i don't care if it's PIS or not.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I never said it must be explained as an amp. I said I'd accept it.

One shotting Drax with PG.
One shotting Surfer when Surfer got serious/easily beating Surfer.
Easily beating Surfer/Warlock, and two shotting Surfer with lightning in that fight.
Pretty effortlessly beating up Maxam/Drax.

So ya, except the Beta fight(s), without the PG. Right.

You mean when he knocked PG Drax down? PG Drax can get knocked down.
It would be a one-shot, if you ignored how much Thor was hitting him beforehand when Surfer was holding back trying to help BRB.
It wasn't easy. That was Thor letting his full power loose. And we already know about the beating that Surfer took beforehand.
Pretty effortlessly when they decided to immediately give up as soon as the PG popped out?

So... ya?

did anyone notice that in issue 25 blood and thunder warlock was dropping asgardian gods like they were nothing with karmic blast?

makes u question if thor was not resistant due to the soul tampering and being unbalance rather then being a god.

Originally posted by King Castle
did anyone notice that in issue 25 blood and thunder warlock was dropping asgardian gods like they were nothing with karmic blast?

makes u question if thor was not resistant due to the soul tampering and being unbalance rather then being a god.


Not hard taking cannon fodder gods.

Originally posted by amnesia
Not hard taking cannon fodder gods. I don't think any gods would be considered canon fodder....


Watch still wins 6-7/10.

no it isnt but if warlock comment and suspicion were correct it shouldnt have worked... we the reader know he was wrong about his earlier assumption of asgardian gods

Originally posted by King Castle
no it isnt but if warlock comment and suspicion were correct it shouldnt have worked... we the reader know he was wrong about his earlier assumption of asgardian gods Which was?I forget.

asgardian soul is more fortified then a mortal..

its what he said when he failed to ko thor with a blast although he did stagger him..

i chalk it up to his spiritual instability that allowed thor to stay conscious and not shocked.

Originally posted by King Castle
asgardian soul is more fortified then a mortal..

its was he said when he failed to ko thor with a blast although he did stagger him..

i chalk it up to his spiritual instability that allowed thor to stay conscious and not shocked.

Originally posted by King Castle
asgardian soul is more fortified then a mortal..

its what he said when he failed to ko thor with a blast although he did stagger him..

i chalk it up to his spiritual instability that allowed thor to stay conscious and not shocked.


Thor is infinitely stronger than a normal Asgardian though.

strength has nothing to do with spirituality...

and it was made clear that thor's soul was unbalanced and the cause for his madness... to the point it was effecting reality in the form of the Valkyrie that adam could see it via his soul gem..

to say thor should be normally resistant to a soul attack b/c of that story arc is being very disingenuous

^ Right. Adam Warlock and/or Jim Starlin himself straight up lied to us. Why that conniving.... ahah

no one is saying they lied simply showing the evidence... how many gods has warlock fought and effected since then or b4 with a karmic blast?

also it wasnt a comic fact it was warlocks speculation...

^ He fought Hercules and the karmic blast failed him then.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He fought Hercules and the karmic blast failed him then. So pretty much it fails against people with names....what does that tell you?

All the asgardian gods it worked on but when it comes to name brand gods...

it failed b/c he missed... facepalm

reread issue: 27

herc moved out the way and grabbed warlocks leg and slammed him..

^ He hits him off-panel. vin

now you are making jokes b/c some one actually knows when to call BS on your comment..

fact: warlock never hit hercules with his karmic blast..

fact: warlock summoned his staff instead to face herc... herc slammed him and grabbed him by the collar which would have bn a perfect time to ko herc with a blast instead warlock was taken by surprise as he saw vision rise from the ground and phase through herc and ko him.

^ BS?

You know how many times I've asked other posters on this board when Hercules got karmic blasted? I suppose it is my fault that I thought they would have no reason to lie about it.

Get over yourself.

sorry its just a big issue for me with warlock being my top 5 favorite heroes and whatnot plus that fact that i recently pulled out my comic box with his entire series and whatnot makes me a lil upset when ppl are wrong about "Him"

^ leonidas is to blame. sneer

Him and his perfidious lies:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11876396&highlight=hercules+karmic#post11876396

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11889730&highlight=hercules+karmic#post11889730

Such perfidiciously pervident perfidy should not be tolerated. uhuh

and not a single one of you bothered to pick up the damn issue to check?

goddamn it guys i expect better from this site and i want Leonidas banned permanently

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, I really don't. OWAW was the best Superman era I could think off of the top of my head.

Lol. I said that Blood and Thunder was to Thor as OWAW was to Superman. I was going to use a Hulk/World War Hulk example and simply used Superman because I thought he was closer to Thor. I wasn't trying to use OWAW to justify Thor's strength in Blood and Thunder. That would be what other Thor feats are for.

I personally don't subscribe to the idea Superman has true dynamic strength.
Right, you don't care about it. Is that why questioning it has turned into a multiple post argument... and into the main point? lol
Or you could have just forgot comparisons, since you know, different things entirely.

Right, or it's not. Good thing you didn't use the Hulk one either, since he was amped up beyond his usual as well... unless you're implying Thor was amped, since thats what Thor would have to share with Hulk, and Superman for these to ring true...
Funny enough, I wouldn't have minded a feat off with you.. honestly, I expected it. But this is far removed from mentioning any feats. I mean, you think you struck gold with the Superman example, so why need Thor feats?

Doesn't matter if you subscribe to it or not, that was the reason given of why Superman was doing what he was doing. It's not merely an opinion, unless of course, you're claiming PIS...

Either way, don't care about the specifics, but I'm sure you'd love to take it up with your equal Avalon, about Superman's dynamic strength.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, I really don't. Initiate an argument? Lol. You entered this thread moaning about P.I.S. like some f*cking child, and I took the liberty of trying to address your points. Just because I'm discussing something with you, it doesn't mean I give a shit. If I cared that much, I'd have had a breakdown by now.
You do. I said it was PIS, you're the one who moaned. You're the one who acted like a child with such lines as "Moan, moan, moan.". All I did was call an arc PIS. You immediately jumped on that shit with moaning. All I did was call an arc PIS. You did not enjoy this.

And you didn't try to address any points. In what world is this addressing any points?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer gets one shotted by Thor.
Thor beats the ass out of Adam and Surfer.
Thor one shots Drax with the PG.
Thor beats up Maxam and Drax with PG.

Ya, the series was PIS. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. Besides, he has had better feats in my opinion.

When did he one shot Surfer?
Or, your edit:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Moan, moan, moan. Blood and Thunder is Thor's OWAW. That event was co-ordinated by like three different writers. One -two if you count Starlin- of which wrote a great deal of Surfer's own series.

When did he one shot Surfer?

The only points being addressed now or then by you, is from us talking about OWAW.

Right, you don't care. Except when you have an argument everytime someone says something negative about Thor. It's almost like you like the way Quan defends his character so much, that you've adopted it into your own debating 'style'.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If we get to refuse anything that we don't like, then this board would go downhill.

facepalm Yea, I'm sure there's only two people who have used that arc or accepted it as proof. Even on this board. Meh, you can expect some Thanos wank when it's written by Starlin. Of course I love the first half. It was great for Thor. I never denied that.

Haha what? When have I not accepted the Thanos part recently? I've come out directly and said I'm completely fine with the Thanos/Thor fight on multiple occasions you idiot.
This board is already in the shitter, mostly because of the fanboys I'd say.

...


Right, I said only like. It's meant to be a rough estimate, not taken literally.
Sorry, too confusing for you. I meant there's a low number of people who accept that story.
There's you, Soujaboy (who's likely dead), and ODG apparently. Really the only people I've ever seen defend this arc.

When you argue against Thanos beating regular Thor easily. Did you even read the rest of that sentence? A pic of Thor's cock must have diverted your attention mid sentence.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It doesn't work that way but you can do whatever you like. I'll just note to avoid logical arguments with you because you're special and get to choose and pick what counts and what doesn't.

The time Thor was shot by a bullet? Instead of using something resembling an actual argument and the multiple instances that contradict it, I'll simply stick my head up my ass and scream PIS.

I would.
It actually does work that way. I accept things that I want to. Especially when things don't actually exist, and there's a rule explaining this very thing...
Besides that, I usually think I can pick out objectively what makes sense and what doesn't, and go by that. As opposed to blind acceptence just because I like said character.

Either way, you haven't actually made one case, or even close to it of why exactly this should be accepted. All you've done is go off tangent, and use Superman as an example. It certainly doesn't help me explain why exactly I can't state it's PIS, and call it a day.

K, cool. Except the part where I said what was PIS, why it was PIS, etc. The only thing I missed was everyone's durability feats that contradict the BnT arc.

I know you would. If Thor killed LT tomorrow, I'd have no doubt you'd cling to that like cold death for years to come.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't consider Thor stunning a Norrin who isn't directly fighting back for at best a panel as him taking Norrin out. Right, pretty much took him out.

Probably missed something, probably wrote something dumb... doesn't matter, I'm tired, and out of time.

Long story short...
Superman OWAW =/= Thor's BnT
And Blood and Thunder isn't the definitive answer to this thread.