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Ultimately Nova

Kyle if he's on his game. He has better feats.

Originally posted by BattleMage
Ultimately Nova I'm shocked beyond all words.

Kyle

Kyle rapes him out of existence.

Kyle

Nova pounds him to dust

What sup with all the Nova wanking lately.

Nova puts up a fight but won't win.

Originally posted by kgkg
What sup with all the Nova wanking lately.


Nova *is* really powerful after all.

Still, I nod it to Kyle. Good fight.

Originally posted by kgkg
What sup with all the Nova wanking lately.

Nova puts up a fight but won't win. And why is that? Because of the name "Green Lantern"?

No Because Kyle is possibly the most powerful GL ever

Even more powerful than PC Hal?

PC Hal doesn't count he was hax and he would one shot Nova and Kyle at the sametime

Yeah, but you said ever.

Originally posted by dmills
And why is that? Because of the name "Green Lantern"? No because he is fighting Kyle who has better feats than Nova. It surprises me because Nova wasn't winning many forum battles here on KMC in the past.

Originally posted by kgkg
No because he is fighting Kyle who has better feats than Nova. It surprises me because Nova wasn't winning many forum battles here on KMC in the past. Eh. I don't know man. It's kind of hard to compare their respective feats. Especially with the DC characters and their Marvel counter parts you know?

Originally posted by kgkg
No because he is fighting Kyle who has better feats than Nova. It surprises me because Nova wasn't winning many forum battles here on KMC in the past.


In the past, he didn't have the hot streak he has had of late. He has just been on a roll when it comes to feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In the past, he didn't have the hot streak he has had of late. He has just been on a roll when it comes to feats. Really what new feats? I know he had some decent feat like fighting Gladiator, He beat Annihilus when he was pretty much drained and didn't fare that well against the surfer.

What good feats are you talking that occurred in recent times at least since the end of the nova corp?

He is a powerhouse don't get me wrong..but I don't see how he is beating Kyle here it will be a good fight though... but Nova still has way to go before he could maximize his new power upgrade.

**Am I arguing for a Green Lantern shame on me***

I think Nova with entire Nova Force/Worldmind would've made a better opponent.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In the past, he didn't have the hot streak he has had of late. He has just been on a roll when it comes to feats.

Kyle has some pretty sick-big feats too, even for a GL.

Originally posted by Q99
Kyle has some pretty sick-big feats too, even for a GL.

What exactly IS Nova's power-set? Is he just a physical powerhouse or does he have anything else going for him?

Class 100+ strength
gravity manipulation
ftl speed
Energy manipulation
Energy absorbtion
Extremly resistant to heat and concussive force.
Ridiculous damage soak
Opens up stargates anywhere
shields

Originally posted by Blair Wind
What exactly IS Nova's power-set? Is he just a physical powerhouse or does he have anything else going for him?

Class 100 physical stats, vast gravity control which enables him to produce powerful shields and concusive blasts, energy absorption abilities, amping abilities via nova force, stargates creation, faster than light speed and a strategy and information guide in the Worldmind

and yeah I think Kyle and Hal would beat Nova.

he could take a lesser GL though

Do you have any scans of the energy manipulation or absorption?

Because honestly, I have not seen anything from Nova that suggests that he can beat a Green Lantern as powerful as Kyle. He has all his powers+

Class 100+ strength - Green Lantern's can duplicate this
gravity manipulation - Kyle has created a singularity before
ftl speed - Green Lanterns do this all the time
Energy manipulation - Duh
Energy absorbtion - They've done this before
Extremly resistant to heat and concussive force. - Try containing the big bang.
Ridiculous damage soak - Try sparring with Superman
Opens up stargates anywhere - They can teleport
shields - They have auto shields that keep them from dying

I mean, the ring allows them to do ANYTHING. Period. From controlling time to molecular control to creating speed force users, it can do anything.

check the repsect thread, there might be something on absorption there...also all those you mentioned are rarely performed by GLs and only by the most powerful ones, who as i stated above I don't think nova can win

Originally posted by Q99
Kyle has some pretty sick-big feats too, even for a GL.

That he does.

Everyones knows the bottling up a super nova feat, and he completely trapped the Crime Syndicate, putting a construct around the entire moonbase. Ultraman just kept ricocheting off of it, and Power Ring said it'd take nearly two hours to burst through it.

So you don't even know Nova's powerset, yet you say Kyle wins?!

Kyle GL wins, regular GL loses, but not the most powerful one.

As far as energy absorbtion, it's been awhile since he's done it, although he attempted to in Secret Avengers 1. It's a normal staple of his history.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Kyle GL wins, regular GL loses, but not the most powerful one. Why? Why do ppl keep repeating this?

Can a GL teleport on the fly during melee combat or do they have to concentrate before they can do it?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Can a GL teleport on the fly during melee combat or do they have to concentrate before they can do it?

Depends on the GL.

Originally posted by dmills
Why? Why do ppl keep repeating this?

mainly because based on feats the most powerful GLs are around Surfer's level or close

Originally posted by the ninjak
Can a GL teleport on the fly during melee combat or do they have to concentrate before they can do it? Originally posted by Prep-Man
Depends on the GL.

The one in question Kyle.

Originally posted by the ninjak
The one in question Kyle.

Kyle's teleported multiple times. I don't think he had any problems doing it, so it was pretty easy for him.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Kyle's teleported multiple times. I don't think he had any problems doing it, so it was pretty easy for him.

Lets say after an initial brawl Nova Gravitates Kyle into the ground can he teleport while pressured?

If he's contained a big bang and can create a singularity, I'm sure he can.

Nova.

If this was a capable GL, I'd say different though.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
If he's contained a big bang and can create a singularity, I'm sure he can.

What I'm trying to say is was he in mid battle when he did that?
Can he teleport himself why fighting someone of Nova's speed.
If he was brawling then got gravitated into the Earth does he have feats of doing such things while in the heat of battle cause Nova won't give him a second.

Nova's pretty powerful now. A legit mid herald. He'd put up a fight but he's not beating Kyle. It'd be closer currently than it would have been when Kyle was at his Green Lantern peak though.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nova.

If this was a capable GL, I'd say different though.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nova.

If this was a capable GL, I'd say different though.

Guy and Hal arnt in this fight, please read the title..

Originally posted by Juk3n
Guy and Hal arnt in this fight, please read the title.. I know. It's almost spite with Kyle in this.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I know. It's almost spite with Kyle in this.

Because he's so Uber, ja i know.

won't kyle run out of juice b4 he puts down a guy who has heal and repair capabilities on the fly? plus the Nova force is almost limitless.

Nova is a legit high herald with the potential to amp beyond that.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nova.

If this was a capable GL, I'd say different though.

Agreed, Kyle seems to be on the rookie stage.

And his girlfriend is in a freezer.

Originally posted by amnesia
Agreed, Kyle seems to be on the rookie stage.



Nonsense , this sentence does not compute.

As much as i like Nova, his still got ways to go to take majority from Kyle..

Nova still wins.Not easily by any stretch but still wins.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Nova still wins.Not easily by any stretch but still wins.

How?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
How?
They are avoiding the question, because a feat war will follow up. A feat war that Nova can not trump.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Nonsense , this sentence does not compute.

I am fairly sure he is being sarcastic.

Actually no. I've been asking how Kyle would defeat Nova. I could care less about a feat war.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
won't kyle run out of juice b4 he puts down a guy who has heal and repair capabilities on the fly? plus the Nova force is almost limitless.

No, GL rings don't run out in a single fight.

Originally posted by amnesia
Agreed, Kyle seems to be on the rookie stage.

And his girlfriend is in a freezer.

There's always fish in the sea.

Just because he has a pile of dead fish, doesn't mean he won't eventually catch a live one.

Originally posted by "Id"
They are avoiding the question, because a feat war will follow up. A feat war that Nova can not trump.



I am fairly sure he is being sarcastic.


so you made this thread just to set up a loss for Nova Prime? well anyways Kyle has some really good feats, but what from his feats can he use to beat Nova? If he goes all out offensive, Nova has the feats to back up his incredible damage soak....

He has excellent damage soak, but enough strong blasts will still KO him.

Originally posted by Q99
He has excellent damage soak, but enough strong blasts will still KO him.



Troo, anyone can be caught with a really powerful attack. I think "strong blasts" is not Kyle's forte though. He is a super creative GL and that is where his strength lies.

Originally posted by Q99
He has excellent damage soak, but enough strong blasts will still KO him. It hasn't happened on panel yet. At least to my knowledge. So far the only thing to put him down and out was crashing into a barrier at FTL speeds.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Troo, anyone can be caught with a really powerful attack. I think "strong blasts" is not Kyle's forte though. He is a super creative GL and that is where his strength lies. Which is what I was curious about. When I think Green Lantern I tend to think super versatile, not planet busting blast power.

Originally posted by dmills
It hasn't happened on panel yet. At least to my knowledge. So far the only thing to put him down and out was crashing into a barrier at FTL speeds.


he was going multiple speeds of light plus he was fighting about a hundred Kree Sentinels. Sentinels have enough power to subjugate worlds. Added to that, he was just attacked by the phalanx with the transmode virus that really took a toll on his power reserves.

If this was Hal this would be a battle but Kyle wins it handily.

Originally posted by Bentley
If this was Hal this would be a battle but Kyle wins it handily.

if you were to quantify handily, what numbers would u put up? im interested to see a ballpark figure of how much the pro Kyles think how much more powerful he is than Nova.

Originally posted by dmills
Nova is a legit high herald with the potential to amp beyond that. Kyle is arguably trans level

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Troo, anyone can be caught with a really powerful attack. I think "strong blasts" is not Kyle's forte though. He is a super creative GL and that is where his strength lies.
Planet exploding output, and durability. Here Kyles survives the explosion of a planet that he destroyed (planet OA).

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
so you made this thread just to set up a loss for Nova Prime? well anyways Kyle has some really good feats, but what from his feats can he use to beat Nova? If he goes all out offensive, Nova has the feats to back up his incredible damage soak....

The same can be said about Nova if he decides to go all out offensive. Kyle specifically holds huge claims involving high end shields. It really comes down to who can make better adjustments from the two.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
if you were to quantify handily, what numbers would u put up? im interested to see a ballpark figure of how much the pro Kyles think how much more powerful he is than Nova.
7 out of 10. I see Kyle matching Nova in almost every variable, and then some.

Originally posted by "Id"
Planet exploding output, and durability. Here Kyles survives the explosion of a planet that he destroyed (planet OA).

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The same can be said about Nova if he decides to go all out offensive. Kyle specifically holds huge claims involving high end shields. It really comes down to who can make better adjustments from the two.


7 out of 10. I see Kyle matching Nova in almost every variable, and then some.

him overloading OA is not really an all out force blast. the nature of his power ring in relation to the planet prolly had aid in "overloading" OA. i'd rather see him doing an all out force blast on some other thing or someone.

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AIN'T SHIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by iceman24567
Kyle is arguably trans level

as Ion yes not as a GL.

SORRY MOTHER F*CKERS...


NOVA CAN'T DO SHIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
as Ion yes not as a GL. Kyle as a GL he is arguably trans level more so than Nova he's barely high herald level

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
him overloading OA is not really an all out force blast. the nature of his power ring in relation to the planet prolly had aid in "overloading" OA. i'd rather see him doing an all out force blast on some other thing or someone.

Its a planet, unless you want to bring specifics/details on how destroying a planet by overloading it makes much of any difference?

It could have been Earth or Mars etc.. the end result would have been the same.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Kyle as a GL he is arguably trans level more so than Nova he's barely high herald level



so ure telling me Kyle can go toe to toe with Thanos? Last time I checked he was trans level.

Thanos is above trans level imo

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
i'd rather see him doing an all out force blast on some other thing or someone.
Triggers a Supernova and contains it by blasting Solaris the living Sun/Star.

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Originally posted by "Id"
Triggers a Supernova and contains it by blasting Solaris the living Sun/Star.

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i liked him containing the blast (pretty impressive), but him "triggering" the super nova was part teamwork and so plot driven.
youve given great examples of him inducing huge explosions through a lot of creativity, but i always said all along i was just looking for ure regular run of the mill offensive blast. Nova Prime will prolly be all over him in a blink of an eye with some grav based offensive attacks. if Kyle is able to counter quickly, Richie has the damage soak to suck it up and keep at him at super speeds. World mind will have had some crazy calcs to put Nova Prime in a position to win all the while.

and yet both don't show powerfully raw offensive output. how do u know him overloading OA is not connected to him being a GL with a power ring? you said ureself it had "ambient" Oan energy. and yes i did know the power battery was depleted. the supernova thing is even less impressive than the Oan thing. on panel clearly states he "triggered" it. Not just out and out blew up a sun. clearly shows he was more concerned with holding the explosion as was shown in his own face on panel while doubting and saying "no way is the ring powerful enough to hold down an exploding sun". I gave him credit for holding off the blast and not the triggering of the explosion.

Nova at one time absorbed so much energy that when he released it, it lit up the entire solar system like a second star. It was pretty awesome at the time, considering it was the 90's and all.

Originally posted by "Id"
Yes he triggered a Supernova by blasting Solaris core. Who gives a shit if you think its plot driven or not. The focal point is what Kyle can do at a given time with his blast.


Yes he made reference to planet OA, using an Analogy. At NO point did Kyle actually manipulate any energy, if so Kyle would have manipulated the energy freely with out the need to actually pump the planet with his blast. uggh

Are you done down playing Kyle?s feats? Because we still have to cover Kyle superior defenses, speed, versatility etc.. Superior defenses and speed? Uh, no. No way. I'll give you versatility though.

Originally posted by dmills
Superior defenses and speed? Uh, no. No way. I'll give you versatility though.

Prove it with feats.

That's what his respect thread is for

Originally posted by dmills
Superior defenses and speed? Uh, no. No way. I'll give you versatility though.

When Nova can create a shield strong enough to contain the Big Bang, I'll consider his defenses on par with Kyle's.

As far as speed, he does it relaxed and in style

Originally posted by "Id"
Green Lantern: The New Corps #1
Traveling at speeds, greater then photon . Kyle has crossed, thousands of parsecs or multiple light years.

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I've looked through the respect thread. He seems to be a physical beast with some grav powers. Kyle has that + everything else.

Honestly, show us what you think makes Nova more powerful than Kyle. You know him better than I do, but Im basing it off what Ive seen in the respect thread and the truth is, in a forum fight, very few physical guys can beat a GL.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
When Nova can create a shield strong enough to contain the Big Bang, I'll consider his defenses on par with Kyle's. When Kyle manages to actually do that, then your hypothetical might apply.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
When Nova can create a shield strong enough to contain the Big Bang, I'll consider his defenses on par with Kyle's.

As far as speed, he does it relaxed and in style



I've looked through the respect thread. He seems to be a physical beast with some grav powers. Kyle has that + everything else.

Honestly, show us what you think makes Nova more powerful than Kyle. You know him better than I do, but Im basing it off what Ive seen in the respect thread and the truth is, in a forum fight, very few physical guys can beat a GL.

Originally posted by dmills
Nova is a legit high herald with the potential to amp beyond that. nah, he's mid with a couple of feats in the high herald class

Originally posted by Blair Wind
When Nova can create a shield strong enough to contain the Big Bang, I'll consider his defenses on par with Kyle's.



In Nova's defense, surviving Galactus's temper tantrum is pretty impressive.

^ Arguing that Kyle can bust planets because Kyle destroyed Oa makes as much sense as saying X-Wing fighters can bust small moons because a single X-Wing fighter destroyed the Death Star.

nono

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Arguing that Kyle can bust planets because Kyle destroyed Oa makes as much sense as saying X-Wing fighters can bust small moons because a single X-Wing fighter destroyed the Death Star.

nono

Not really. The Death Star was destroyed because of a reactor breach, basically.

Oa was destroyed because Kyle pumped so much energy into it's core, it exploded. Two entirely different things there.

^ Fixed: Originally posted by cdtm
Not really. The Death Star was destroyed because of a reactor breach, basically... which overloaded the reactor core, causing a chain reaction that blew up the Death Star

Oa was destroyed because Kyle pumped so much energy into it's core, it exploded... which overloaded the battery-like core, causing a chain reaction that blew up Oa. Two entirely different things there that are not entirely different.

The end result was the same, but one is exploiting a weakness, while the other is a pure power showing.

To overload the core of Oa is a display of insane energy output.

Originally posted by cdtm
The end result was the same, but one is exploiting a weakness, while the other is a pure power showing.

To overload the core of Oa is a display of insane energy output. Only if you assume through a circular argument that Oa's core wasn't like a big battery that could be overloaded... the same way that the Death Stare's core reactor was like a battery that could be overloaded.

Originally posted by 753
nah, he's mid with a couple of feats in the high herald class Tell me how that makes any sense. Nothing about Nova suggests mid herald. He's a high herald, just not highest of the high ala Surfer etc.

Originally posted by dmills
Tell me how that makes any sense. Nothing about Nova suggests mid herald. He's a high herald, just not highest of the high ala Surfer etc. Because if we compare him to the others ranked in the high and the mid herald class, he's closer to the mid and has a few feats that put him on the high herald class. In time, as he gets more screentime he might make it there, but remember that characters like wonder woman, magneto and monica rambeau are officially in in the mid herald class in this site and they're very very powerfull with a lot more feats than him.

I think we're all forgetting the point of this thread. Kyle has some impressive feats, but what good are those varied feats against Nova? In a dogfight, I believe Nova has the physicality, the durability, and the power output (potential pwer output also) to KO Rayner.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think we're all forgetting the point of this thread. Kyle has some impressive feats, but what good are those varied feats against Nova? In a dogfight, I believe Nova has the physicality, the durability, and the power output (potential pwer output also) to KO Rayner. The purpose of these feats is to show that Kyle matches Nova step for step, and then some. It answers what will happen if they get involved in a dog fight. Albeit Nova being beaten by Kyle.

Originally posted by "Id"
The purpose of these feats is to show that Kyle matches Nova step for step, and then some. It answers what will happen if they get involved in a dog fight. Albeit Nova being beaten by Kyle. Wait a minute. Aren't you the OP? Why'd you make this thread if you thought Kyle wins all along?

Originally posted by 753
Because if we compare him to the others ranked in the high and the mid herald class, he's closer to the mid and has a few feats that put him on the high herald class. In time, as he gets more screentime he might make it there, but remember that characters like wonder woman, magneto and monica rambeau are officially in in the mid herald class in this site and they're very very powerfull with a lot more feats than him. Going by his portrayal in the books, the respect he gets from his peers, his feats etc. I have to disagree. Do you consider Quasar High herald?

Originally posted by dmills
Wait a minute. Aren't you the OP? Why'd you make this thread if you thought Kyle wins all along?

It makes for a good argument, when you have members who think otherwise.

Originally posted by "Id"
It makes for a good argument, when you have members who think otherwise. So you already had an outcome in mind?

"Id": Except Kyle stated that the core of Oa was like a battery. Your argument would be more persuasive if, y'know, you just completely choose to ignore that.

Originally posted by dmills
Going by his portrayal in the books, the respect he gets from his peers, his feats etc. I have to disagree. Do you consider Quasar High herald? Respect for his leadership, character, willpower etc. It's not his power level that draws respect from them. The tiers revolve arround power. What has he done that is beyond the other midheralds?

Yes, classic Quasar was high herald.

Originally posted by dmills
So you already had an outcome in mind?
Yes but I am open to persuasion.

Originally posted by 753
Respect for his leadership, character, willpower etc. It's not his power level that draws respect from them. The tiers revolve arround power. What has he done that is beyond the other midheralds?

Yes, classic Quasar was high herald. Nah. They respect his power too.

You want me to list his feats that are beyond MH? You sure you want to play this game? You know that Nova is my turf.

Originally posted by "Id"
Yes but I am open to persuasion. Interesting...

How bout a list that puts him in high heralds class..

Originally posted by Ambient
How bout a list that puts him in high heralds class.. :/ Your request is ridiculous. The feats that he has accomplished can be replicated by most if not all in the HH tier. That's why they're high heralds.

Originally posted by dmills
Nah. They respect his power too.

You want me to list his feats that are beyond MH? You sure you want to play this game? You know that Nova is my turf. knock yourself out. You show things you believe the other mid heralds couldn't do and I'll try to find compatible feats from them. Might also try to find some high herald feats he couldn't replicate - provided he has the powerset to make it conceivable.

Originally posted by dmills
:/ Your request is ridiculous. The feats that he has accomplished can be replicated by most if not all in the HH tier. That's why they're high heralds. That's a fallacy. The HHs can replicate the feats of the lesser ties, but the opposite isn't true. So the fact that they can replicate his feats means nothing, showing that he can replicate their average and high end feats is what would put him on their level. Showing he can do things beyond the midheralds would also prove it.

Originally posted by 753
knock yourself out. You show things you believe the other mid heralds couldn't do and I'll try to find compatible feats from them. Might also try to find some high herald feats he couldn't replicate - provided he has the powerset to make it conceivable. See now that approach makes sense. I was thinking the samething about HH feats he COULDN'T replicate.

Originally posted by dmills
:/ Your request is ridiculous. The feats that he has accomplished can be replicated by most if not all in the HH tier. That's why they're high heralds.
Im only asking of feat of him in this class not to direct compare and see if the tiers already belonging in this class could replicate it..

Originally posted by 753
That's a fallacy. The HHs can replicate the feats of the lesser ties, but the opposite isn't true. So the fact that they can replicate his feats means nothing, showing that he can replicate their average and high end feats is what would put him on their level. Showing he can do things beyond the midheralds would also prove it. I think you and I are kinda saying the same thing here.

Oh ok. That's cool. Like what though? The Annihilus fight? The Sphinx fight? Evil Quasar fight? Ego? The Glads fight? Tearing apart a large chunck of Shi ar army? His durability feats?

Your the resident NP expert, whichever feat that should direct put him in the hh class..

Originally posted by Ambient
Your the resident NP expert, whichever feat that should direct put him in the hh class.. Touche'.

I'm completely mobile (Evo) right now. I'll post some stuff when I get in front of a desk top.

Originally posted by Ambient
Your the resident NP expert, whichever feat that should direct put him in the hh class..

Annihilus eats high heralds in his sleep. almost no low to mid herald can duplicate this. you need not only very high top tier str to do this but great combat speed as well
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shielding against an incredibly powerful magical being who is already god like, but just got 2x as powerful.
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Bad ass!!!

Its still lacking but hey thats just me..

Hmmm...if Nova is being placed at high herald there are off the top of my head like 15 other mid heralds (probly more) that need to go with him.........and while were at it Surfer might as well be moved up to Trans.....

Originally posted by Naija boy
Hmmm...if Nova is being placed at high herald there are off the top of my head like 15 other mid heralds (probly more) that need to go with him.........and while were at it Surfer might as well be moved up to Trans..... Honestly Nova is barely high herald

^ At his highest peak levels that probably wouldn't last very long, he's certainly capable of reaching those levels. But they're not routine for him. So I think that's the general impression that stops people from placing him as a high herald.

But the arguments for current Nova being high herald are better than for some characters who are routinely placed at high herald. Maybe that's the issue.

Well this is a bit of a surprise. I knew that Nova was underrated, but I didn't know that a fair number of ppl don't consider him high herald. So that begs the question, what makes one a high herald?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Hmmm...if Nova is being placed at high herald there are off the top of my head like 15 other mid heralds (probly more) that need to go with him.........and while were at it Surfer might as well be moved up to Trans..... Now this take is mildly amusing. Who would these 15 mid herald ppl be?

He is Mid Herald for sure. But I was schooled that High Tiers have a series of feats that transcend herald class. So far I've only see one (the Sphinx w/K. Stones).

Originally posted by dmills
Now this take is mildly amusing. Who would these 15 mid herald ppl be?

Beta ray Bill, Blackbolt, Gladiator,Orion,Barry Allen, Wally West,Sersi,Kurse, Morg, Martian Manhanuter, Shaman Nate,Loki,Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Firelord etc etc.

Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) belongs in the high herald. WTF is she doing in the Low Herald?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Beta ray Bill, Blackbolt, Gladiator,Orion,Barry Allen, Wally West,Sersi,Kurse, Morg, Martian Manhanuter, Shaman Nate,Loki,Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Firelord etc etc. Oh my damn! If you consider those ppl to be mid herald then who the phuck do you consider high herald?

Originally posted by dmills
Oh my damn! If you consider those ppl to be mid herald then who the phuck do you consider high herald?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html

Originally posted by "Id"
He is Mid Herald for sure. But I was schooled that High Tiers have a series of feats that transcend herald class. So far I've only see one (the Sphinx w/K. Stones). Superman curbstomping the crap out of Darkseid. Thor killing Mangog physically. Surfer defeating Unilord. Adam Warlock defeating Mephisto. Savage Hulk defeating Galaxy Master. Loki killing Bor. Etc. Etc.

Although... last two aren't even considered High Herald.

Originally posted by dmills
Oh my damn! If you consider those ppl to be mid herald then who the phuck do you consider high herald?

Im using their placement in the KMC tier system..and they are al placed at midherald. I dont necessarilly agree with all of their placements their however. Point being, if Nova is moved to high herald in the tier system then all these guys have to as well. some should get consideration way before him for that matter.

Originally posted by dmills
Oh my damn! If you consider those ppl to be mid herald then who the phuck do you consider high herald? You have to go to the tier thread to look them all up. the mid herald tier is full of powerhouses, it's not really a disrespect to Nova that he's there. The high herald one is a lot more restricted and has very few characters in it.

That hing is in desperate need of an update though.

I wouldn't say all of those should go to HH is Nova does, but Naija's premise is still valid IMO. Of those, I'd say that:

Beta Ray Bill
Sersi
Wally
Orion
Captain Marvel/Black Adam
Gladiator

Should be bumped, too. Hell, I'd throw Firestorm in that mix, too. Problem is, I don't think any of these guys (minus Bill and Wally) are really HH material.

Originally posted by "Id"
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html Ok. That list is all kinds of meh. For one, Graviton is listed as low herald when he would absolutely crush just about everyone on the mid herald list.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman curbstomping the crap out of Darkseid. Thor killing Mangog physically. Surfer defeating Unilord. Adam Warlock defeating Mephisto. Savage Hulk defeating Galaxy Master. Loki killing Bor. Etc. Etc.

Although... last two aren't even considered High Herald. Except the Sphinx feat trumps all of those IMO. The only one I can think of that's close is Norrin battling TnA into the crunch.

Originally posted by Harbinger
I wouldn't say all of those should go to HH is Nova does, but Naija's premise is still valid IMO. Of those, I'd say that:

Beta Ray Bill
Sersi
Wally
Orion
Captain Marvel/Black Adam
Gladiator

Should be bumped, too. Hell, I'd throw Firestorm in that mix, too. Problem is, I don't think any of these guys (minus Bill and Wally) are really HH material. What's interesting is that I remember most on this forum saying that Black Adam beats Supes, but he's an entire tier lower? How does that work?

Weakness exploitation to some extent given that Teth has magic punches. He's also more ruthless than Kal is. They comparable in terms of physical stats as well.

However, I don't think BA would have much of a chance against a Supes that isn't holding back.

Originally posted by dmills
Except the Sphinx feat trumps all of those IMO. The only one I can think of that's close is Norrin battling TnA into the crunch. No. Not really. Originally posted by dmills
What's interesting is that I remember most on this forum saying that Black Adam beats Supes, but he's an entire tier lower? How does that work? Because admitting that Black Adam would beat Superman and deserves to be his equal, if not his superior, would give Thor fans ammo for the same exact argument -- the fact that the argument is actually cogent be damned.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Weakness exploitation to some extent given that Teth has magic punches. He's also more ruthless than Kal is. They comparable in terms of physical stats as well.

However, I don't think BA would have much of a chance against a Supes that isn't holding back. But isn't that, you know, conjecture? And where is Tangent Supes in all of this?